Just got this email.. was this known we would get another 30 days free of FSD?
Yep, just got this too - Ontario, Canada in 2019 Model 3
Why do I always get the updates late? 2024.32.7 HW3 MYLR. Anyone else who haven't gotten it? 😭
super cool
Just got it today as well right before I was heading back home from work. My commute is only 8 minutes, and I had to disengage it twice. They are so far from robo taxis it's laughable
I've heard it helps to leave the car connected to wifi when it's parked. I can't confirm because I use public parking and there's no signal there.
Yeah my car is in the garage connected to wifi. Probably just a vin thing
Does anyone know if you get the free trial if you’re already subscribed? In other words would I get one month for free if I’m already paying the 100$ every month.
I’ll take two months in my new Model 3 if they want to offer it even though I’m halfway through my first trial. I’m beginning to like the FSD at times.
No way I didn’t get that on my 21 MY
It's so random for me. My Tesla is in the shop for the next few days and I am driving an 2023 Camry And it's Lane keep + Radar cruise is better than Autopilot and FSD at specific tasks. When changing lanes it accelerates and begins to match the speed of traffic in that lane during the change vs waiting till the lane change is complete... lagging... then accelerating like Tesla. When I take control for a moment it goes right back to everything working without me needing to re-engage whether I control for a few moments to correct it in the lane or go around an obstacle. It is VERY light feel on the wheel vs fighting me to take control It's radar distance had FAR more granularity and much better reaction to traffic speed changes than Tesla FSD or Autopilot. It FUCKING SLOWS for corners and curves OMFG why does tesla not do this!? It knows to stay away from the danger side of a curve or tight lane. I can turn off specific features while leaving others on. Lane keep, but no Cruise and vice versa. Look the Tesla is MUCH better overall. For sure. But it is astonishing how much better other cars are at some of the basics that Tesla REALLY should have had in day 1 or patched by now.
Just a data point, my car is never connected to wifi and I got the 30 day trial this afternoon.
Is my update super behind because I have 2023.44.30 and just got the FSD email 😭😭😭 (2021 M3)
Yes, you still get the 30 days free if you’re subscribed
I bet that during those 30 days Tesla is collecting so much data from FSD that it’s basically Christmas for them. (Not that there is something wrong with that)
Dope
Same, HW4 MY, nothing yet. I typically get updates on the later half
No offense but were disengagements from nerves? I finally gave in and just trusted the car. Daily commute is 52 miles one way through major city and free way changes. It’s so ready for robo taxis.
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Whoa 2023? That's very behind
Damn I just resubscribed 2 days ago.
yup. BC, Canada got it again.
Wonder if we will get the newer update or if we are still just going to be stuck on the old same fsd we got to try during the last trial.
No it wasn't. First one was the car trying to leave the parking lot straight into a one way highway. Normally cars enter the highway already facing the direction of traffic. The car instead was facing the highway in a straight perpendicular angle, so if it did turn into the high way it would be going straight into the right most lane, instead of into the merging lane. Second one it took a wrong turn. There's a fake "ramp" right before the correct turn that goes into a small shopping area. It was turning into it and I disengaged and had to back up to take the correct turn.
I'd rather have a 12.5.x version, could be any of these * 2024.32.30 12.5.6 * 2024.32.20.1 12.5.5 * 2024.32.10 12.5.4.1 * 2024.27.25 12.5.4 * 2024.27.10 12.5.2.1 I honestly don't care to "trial" more with 12.3.6 I've seen what it can do. edit: everyone is getting 2024.32.10 12.5.4.1 now.
Yes, got the same email about 3 hours ago.
If you start the trial and you don't get a new software download to a 2024 build within 48 hours I'd make a ticket for service to fix that. There's no good reason for your car to be on anything older than 2024.26 at this point.
Yawn... Musk basically admitted HW3 won't cut it, so already customers getting shafted. Musk is a con.
I guess it's not selling well. Shocker.
I think they just gave it to me on 32.7, still shows 12.3.6 🥲 (HW3 Canada)
Encouraging someone not to intervene when they feel uncomfortable or nervous with the behavior is dangerous advice. Once Tesla agrees to take responsibility for any accidents while it's in use, fine, but at this point it's very much at a "fine until it's not" point. Even if 9 out of 10 times it would be "fine" if you just left it alone, it's not worth the monetary or health risks. There are still videos of the current version trying to run reds. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1g6578v/12541_still_trying_to_run_red_lights/
Why are you in this sub?
At this point they are giving away so many trials I'd be kind of annoyed if I was subscribed rather than having bought it outright. If we hadn't bought it on my wife's MYP last year, we would have had it for free for 5 out of 12 months of ownership so far...
I like Tesla. The cars are great. I just think FSD is a joke and a continuous bullshit fest.
Brave man to question tesla in this sub. I got blocked out of this sub for one day for being neutral and objective once.
😂 No kidding. I guess objectivity isn't allowed.
They can keep it. FSD is trash. Can’t even get auto wipers to work. I prefer driving my model S anyway.
Yeah it's a win win
Yeah, I’d bet that’s why they decided to do it again. Must’ve got a lot of extra data (and from different roads than the regular FSD owners usually drive on their commutes) that helped with training the models. Outside of the West coast and high income neighborhoods, there may only be one FSD subscriber (not just Tesla owner) for every 10 city blocks, or so? That would mean, for little residential side streets, up to 9 out of 10 are relatively rarely visited. And for FSD, it’s those little side streets they really want practice on, not freeways, I imagine.
same version here. i connect to wifi at garage all the time
Just got it 8 minutes ago. USA, 2023 MY.
I drove with it for over an hour with zero disengagement other than not adhering to school zone. Strange how different it is for everyone. I do think a lot of people don’t trust it and disengage unnecessarily. Also a lot of people who are in a rush don’t like it because it drives like a patient / law abiding person.
What do you say to people who have multiple hour+ long zero intervention drives? My car drives me around all the time without any input, so I don’t see what’s so bullshit about that.
most of these are not present in current 12.5 version. You just have an old version, that uses different logic on highways that is hard coded. New version uses neural networks for driving decisions
do you know that even most popular items goes on sale (or have free trial) regularly?
It still never takes the correct lane when there's 2 left turn lanes and one is for a highway ramp
Yes, like everyone is saying, time for Tesla to collect more data lol. Just got mine like 30 minutes ago (CDT, Texas). But lowkey disappointed because my Model 3 LR is on software 2024.32.7 and got FSD 12.3.6. Hopefully they would push an update to a software that has FSD 12.5, heard good things about this version.
Yes I understand that, but FSD hasn't been great. I'm sure it will improve over time, but it's embarrassing now.
Well to be fair this appears not be strictly a safety critical disengagement because the car did stop and cross traffic was visible. I wonder if it’ll be less likely to break the law around cop cars lol
It doesn't work worth a shit here. I don't know what to tell you. I live in a small town and it is fucking junk here. Reads weight limit signs as speed limit signs and just randomly brakes on 65mph freeways. I think those that say it works for hours on end either are lying or deal with the weird crap it does without intervening.
That’s great, but that still doesn’t change the fact that FSD is the most overpromised-under delivered product in a long time
Interesting, besides that how is it for you? Like I said. I drive for over an hour without touching the wheel, all throughout city/towns/etc.
I was just saying that you can’t predict sales based on promo they are doing. Even good brands does promotions. Regarding the FSD quality - I live in Europe so I can just watch youtube videos. But if it was available here, I would buy it, because I am in for a ride, not just for the final product. I don’t really care it’s bad, I want to see how it is developing. But yeah, as impressive as the tech is (it can handle any situation on the road!), I don’t see it being safe enough next year. Going from 100 miles per interventions (which is very impressive, like it doesn’t need help for hours of driving!) to million miles per intervention or more can even be decade away. Source for 100 miles is FSD tracker
There's a reason why you can't buy it there. It's an actual danger to society and in the USA we just don't care about human life. Sounds like hyperbole, but I still can't figure out how they deemed it legal here. Elon should be in prison.
I hope they wait another day and a half for me to pick up my next one.
I haven’t seen any statistics showing that FSD + human supervision have higher crash rates than humans alone
It's taken a right turn into the nearest lane onto a parallel street and would have hit a car parked in said lane, twice. And it has tried to merge into a stationary line of cars to force itself into a turning lane instead of just rerouting because it missed its chance
I live in a low population area for FSD, so I see a ton of disengagements and odd issues reading weight limit signs as speed signs. I'm sure many have great experiences for FSD because the tech does have some great adaptation ability, but it's absolute trash here. I've never seen it make it more than 1/2 mile without an issue or a disengagement.
I am on fsd 12.3.6 @ 2024.32.7 - will I get an update to fsd 12.5?
yeah, I don’t doubt it can be shitty in some areas - but people tend to not use it much if it doesn’t work, so I don’t see how could this increase crash rates. Honestly, I think they could launch robotaxi next year, if they put severe georestrictions in there. Like Waymo. Pick wide suburbs with easy intersections, no highways, no special rules, little traffic, sunny most of the time. Like pick the easiest of easiest and I think even current version could handle it. But level 5, driving literally anywhere? Lolno. As you said, in some areas it reliably can’t drive a mile. And you need it to drive at least million miles per intervention. Not going to happen in a decade
I mean if you have your data sharing enable don’t they collect the data anyways? I don’t think you have to actually be using fsd
Yes. It says they “will waive the remainder of the subscription cost for the duration of the trial.” Not sure how you go about getting that refunded though
It says they “will waive the remainder of the subscription cost for the duration of the trial” if you already subscribed. Im not sure how you go about getting that refunded though
That's the problem. It won't work how they've designed it now. They're either going to have to make a deal with Waymo and admit defeat or bin the whole idea.
Do you have a source for the full email message? If that's true then perhaps it would come off of the next month.
I don't drive myself anywhere anymore, fwiw.
You’re overly aggressive for something I am just trying to have a conversation about. https://x.com/devinolsenn/status/1819182583374303406?s=46 That’s me, driving for an hour, zero interventions. There’s nothing the car does that is cause for concern, it nails everything.
It was in a link in the email https://www.tesla.com/support/30-day-fsd-trial?redirect=no&utm_campaign=sales&utm_content=fsd_transfer&utm_locale=en-US&utm_medium=email&utm_source=&utm_term=24q4_fsd_trial&utm_campaign=website&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sendgrid.com
It delivers what it promises to a bunch of people, tons of videos of it performing zero intervention drives.
I’m almost certain that the car would not have hit a parked car. FSD may make mistakes, but it won’t just ram you into a parked car.
or they could switch to high precision maps with lidar I guess. I don’t think it would be that hard to integrate, IMHO their camera software is more advanced than waymo one, lidar costs are trending down and it’s pretty easy to work with one for obstacle detection. They already have maps integrated with FSD, that’s not much work to expand on it - they just need to make it main parameter in decision making. Main issue is that they would have to admit a defeat. I don’t think launching goefenced FSD is a big technical issue for them, but saying they were wrong and they need high precision maps and LIDAR and that it won’t work on every road, just selected pre-mapped ones would absolutely destroy stock price. I really don’t know how they could make it work **pollitically**. Tech seems to be rather easy based on what they done so far
> > I am already subscribed to Full Self-Driving (Supervised). Do I still get the 30-day Full Self-Driving (Supervised) trial? > > Yes. You will receive 30 days of Full Self-Driving (Supervised) trial at no additional cost. We will waive the subscription cost for the duration of the trial. Since I just paid 2 days ago and they can't waive that, I guess that means I get a month free next month, but it's not super clear.
Well I had to yank the steering wheel hard last second and it was within an inch or two. The other time I had to slam on the brakes and it wasn't as close as the first time but within a cars length
They seem to need more training data. Remember, if a product is free, you are the product.
I don't know how I'm being overly aggressive. It just doesn't work well here. Obviously areas with higher use work better. It's a waste of money in my area and an absolute danger to the public here.
Like I said I think it probably works in some areas. It's a laughable disaster here. It's apparent no one uses it here or it would have fixed itself.
Yeah that update is super old, like December 2023. My BIL's Model Y (2023 HW4) is also stuck on 2023.44.30. He made a service request in June and they told him it was the latest available for his car, then he made another request in September and they called and told him "That update is really old, you need to bring the vehicle in for service so we can manually update it because OTA doesn't work for old versions." He's been traveling, so he will finally take it in for the update next week.
I live in a small town relatively speaking. I’ve driven 25,000KMs with FSD and can say with almost certainty that where it’s used has nothing to do with how well it works.
I don't know what to tell you. It constantly reads "weight limit 5 tons" as the speed limit and slams on the brakes. I'm impressed that people here recognize safe following distances and haven't rear ended me in the process. I was told it learns based on prior use. If that's not the case there's no reason to consider using it ever again here.
Confirmed it’s pushed fleet wide. 2022 M3SR 2024.32.7 HW3
I think quite a few of us HW3 guys are still on 12.3.6 so that might be it. 12.5 is slowly consuming HW3 but it’s not fully there yet or so I’m lead to believe.
Got it when I parked at home, was a nice surprise as the screen shows so much more data with FSD. The zoomed in view when you don't have if is a little weird to get used to haha.
I guess the subscribed people aren’t too bad off. The trails it sounds like tacks onto the subscribed months so they don’t overlap. So if there was 6 trials, then the person would’ve only paid for 6 months to use for 12 months. Those who bought it outright might not be so lucky though in that sense.
Should have waited until the first point release after v13. It is going to be amazing very soon and it's getting closer but it's not quite there yet. A free trial early next year would blow people away. Right now (and earlier this year) it is going to make people skeptical.
I would expect Tesla to collect data at all times. They could run FSD in shadow mode and evaluate when you as a driver do something different than FSD, and then upload that driving behaviour.
Insert drowning kid meme with Europe as the skeleton below water.
The difference is disengagements. Yes they run shadow FSD and can send data back when there is a difference, but how often is that difference critical vs just a slight difference in driving style. Having people actually using FSD gives highly valuable information through disengagements. It’s also valuable as it’s a large data set from people that don’t or haven’t used FSD before so will react to it (via disengagements) differently, which is valuable in and of itself. All that with the added benefit as a sales tactic to get more people to buy it after trying it.
How recent was this/what FSD version?
Confirmed where? I’ve seen no tweet/announcement. I see a lot of people getting it but plenty of people not aswell.
Didn’t Elon say they aren’t doing v13, and that every second point will be the equivalent of what we’ve seen historically between major updates (v10,11,12,etc.) so now 12.5 is essentially v13 and 12.6 will be like v13? And that why they actually do v13 that’ll be when they switch to unsupervised, is what I’m remembering atleast.
I would expect there to be more value in this than if FSD was actually enabled, as it can train their models on actual drivers driving.
I think 12.4. Right before or right after the vision monitoring came out
Just received email
If by vision monitoring you mean where they monitor where you are looking to allow for hands free then that was 12.4.2. I’ve heard it’s gotten allot better with 12.5 but honestly I’m surprised you had that close of a call even on 12.4
I wasn’t aware they were usually charging a monthly fee for FSD…consumers allowing that is opening the door for so much bullshit. BMW tested this already: want heated seats? Well, the hardware is in all the cars, but you gotta pay $5/month to activate it. I can’t believe consumers let this subscription model succeed in a car, that is going to be cancerous.
To test their fsd and look for edge cases. When you are driving, it's not fsd so can't get critical disengagements
Can you accept that other people have made other experiences?
Interesting, I tried Toyota/Lexus RX lane keep and adaptive cruise, it's way way worse than FSD. Make sure you note the FSD version, every new version is a huge update
Yup, u get extra 30 days of free fsd
Interesting, we the community would like to see some tests in your area. Would you be able to capture these segments of your drive? We are interested to see how bad it actually is Or at least tell us the location of constant errors, I'm sure someone can test at these segments
I mean if you own a Tesla, you already gave Tesla your information. You can refuse to use this trial and Tesla won't be able to get test data from you
What!!!! I didn’t get anything!!
He's not being overly aggressive.
Me want. (Model 3 - Germany)
Can i wait to activate it?gping on a 3 week trip next trip and it'll pretty much be lost if activated now
When Europe? At least a trail for Enhanced Driving would be great…
Or me, who lives in the country.
Yeah I tried it out today in city driving and some hwy. The only time I needed to take over was on hwy when lane was ending and required to merge to next lane. It didn’t recognize the lane ending until last minute and last second it swerved to next lane, without signaling. Did this twice on merging lanes. Not sure if this is a thing with FSD but otherwise it was smooth.
Exactly what I have. What versions are we looking for, here? I have a 2019 M3.
But no smart summon features ?
This is great to have as a trial again and this time I will judge the features as a buyer. Or maybe there was not enough user feedback.
I got mine last night on 32.7, same year and hardware version in Canada. Surely everyone is gonna get it eventually right?...
Hell yeah I have auto park again! Let's goo
Activated my trial, unfortunately FSD is where I last left it a couple months ago. Total of 15 disengagements over 30km, with 1 near collision and 1 slamming on the brakes to let another vehicle join my lane.
When did he say that?
So what happens if I purchase a month of fad now that I got the email? Will the cost be waived? Will it pull the latest fad version to download?
I have a 500 mile journey next week and got it again this morning, I'll take that. On a long highway drive it's great, and it just drove me through city traffic to work without me intervening, it is improving for sure. I had if for 4 months from Mar-June but did not continue it.
Dozens of them!
I got an alert to try it on my car but the tap to enable isn't working
Same here! 2020 M3 SR+
If they give it free for 90 days then I bet a few of us would forget driving enough that we'd pony up for continuing FSD. Last time when they gave free for 30 days, it was a bit of adjustment going back to regular AutoPilot.
Yes, you'll get a month free
Well you are wrong. Congratulations.
Which country are you in? In US, FSD this time feels better than the last time to me, especially in the cornering. Last time it would always go too close to the curb at a specific turn near my home, but this version maintained a healthy distance from the curb! PS: I've had it only for 30 min, so this is very preliminary
Got it this morning. Nice surprise
OH NO! Whatever will I do, such a detriment to collect edge cases while getting free self driving. ???? What is the detriment to you involving the data? It has nothing to do with your habits or personality, its deidentified. So why is it a bad thing?
OK Bot.
The stark differences in experience are wild. I use FSD on every drive and rarely disengage due to FSD faults. It works extremely well for me.
Seems a bit silly. It is still on 12.3.6. The same as the free trial I had like 5 months ago. How is there no improved version ?
Got it this morning too. 2004 MYL, still v12.3.6. same version as last time. last time had once driving to right curb.
It is 12.3.6 for me, not the latest 12.5.x
Is it 12.3.6 for you as well, I just tried it after I dropped my son off at school to take me home and the decisions it is making are pretty rough, had to turn it off
Am I the only one who hasn't got this yet?
I’m already subscribed to fsd for a month (ending late October) I’m guessing that means I won’t get this email?
Given the price of the car a few years ago this should be free
**it drives like a patient** I am in chill(car and FSD setting) and it speeds off the line like a teenager. It does not drive patiently.
Same here, but I’m using it in California and Nevada so I think it’s gotta be geographic.
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We all getting it!?!?
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I got it in my 21 MY. Software - v12 (2024.32.7 3f0d0fff88fd), FSD - v12.3.6
I guess they really want more data. I got the email as well.
Still can’t recognize HOV lanes
Still haven’t got the email yet…wtf
me neither :(
I had the dialogue to do the trial again but it disappeared :(
2024 model 3 just got added to
Play around with it more and use the accelerator to speed up when it does that.
I’ll pass this time around…good luck.
my drive is 30 mins and i never disengaged.
Looks like it; pretty damn useless to push it when cars are still on 12.3.6 though. What's the point in another FSD demo if your fleet is still on the same version as last time?
I called Tesla support, they told me that it just hasn't arrived yet and my car is eligible
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I'm in Canada
I don’t have one yet… 🤔 will edit when I get notified
Wow just what I wanted to. To try 12.3.6 again lol
the best, i have 0 complaints. this is the first car i own and very happy it was!
good to know that Waymo is still a pipe dream despite driving autonomously without V2I or V2V
Wondering if this would make 12.3.6 cars eligible to upgrade to the newer version but I doubt it
Well it would be nice if it was 12.5 versions I only got 12.3.6 still 21MY
Does anyone know why we didn't get 12.5? I'm at a loss as to why they'd give everyone a trial of the old software. Wouldn't they want all these fresh faces to see the improved version?
It gets up to speed quickly, sure. Other than that it drives very relaxed and safer than your average driver.
With all the new sales over the last quarter, a lot of people are on a trial currently, do we think those people (mainly me) will get an additional 30 days? I actually really enjoy self driving I’m sad about losing it in a week.
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When they have the extra hundreds of thousands of cars driving those extra miles they get a huge data dump and training data to test and train their AI models.
I looked at the price this morning on FSD... It said $2,000 USD!
Huh. Felt worse for me in Houston today. Side streets it didn't want to go above 10 mph.
probably right. Maybe FSD should have always been free while it was in beta mode...
Does anyone know if you are able to enable the smart summon feature to try that out.
Same question. Does the clock start now since my car said I was updated. Or does the 30 day start when I go into settings and allow FSD. I would love to delay mine until Dec 1 as I’m doing a 3k mil rd trip in late December.
Does the 30 day clock start today or when I enable FSD on my car?
I was in this position earlier this year. After my 3 month trial was over, I received an additional month of free FSD in June even though it was several months after it was offered to everyone else.
Oohhh where was this 3 month trial that sounds great lol
I hope so
Turns out your car will have it even if the app doesn’t say so
I hope we get 12.5.x. 12.3.6 sucks for my area
The clock starts as soon as you see the FSD enabled in your car. An easy way to see it in your app is if you see the summon option.
I won't argue with anyone that this is extremely impressive technology but does anyone else feel that "supervising" is more stressful than driving? On the highway it's fine but everywhere else I'd rather just drive myself. I've never really felt like driving a few minutes locally to the store is a problem worth paying to solve.
Yep they need data so that is worth Much like how social media is free Since there is value in the data generated Tesla is fine but newer cars in general need to reciprocate There needs to be some kind of handshake protocol to prevent collisions
So when I used FSD during the last free trial, it did not learn anything. On my route I have a blind stop sign over a crest with a "stop ahead" before the crest and the car would stop before the crest every time. It never "learned" even with my corrections. Is this an incorrect assumption I am making about teslas FSD? Does it not learn specifics like that?
Well that sucks for me. I don’t have summon I live in the socialist republic of NY. It’s not allowed here because well the state is run by people that want to restrict our freedoms.
Got it too. Tried it driving home with speed set to auto. Multiple times it would accelerate to 35/36 in a 25 zone then pull right back to 30. It makes no sense.
Here’s a crazy idea, make fsd free until robotaxi is an actual thing
It’s pretty rough.
Got mine as well. I think it might be worse than last time. Anyone know why it won't obey the speed limit? Mine is set to an offset of 0 and it's doing 10-15 over. Hard braking for speed bumps and then nearly squealed the tired making a right hand turn. It seems more confident, but also terrifying. Did Tesla enter into collusion with the big tire companies to make sure my car burns through rubber faster?
Everybody is getting it. Even I a new owner who just lost his first free trial for having just bought the car got it. The robo event that just happened is the reason.
thank you!! i think i will contact tesla too. I park in a public garage with no wifi so i rarely have a chance to run updates
Got mine late last night! I'm HW3 in a M3LR. A little disappointed, tho, that it's only 12.3.6 release. The last version I used was (I think) 11.6 or some such. I was hoping for at least a 12.5 something. In any event, I new there would be some major improvements. First drive was OK. Took it out on the interstate during a busy morning. No problems at all...except for way too speedy for my liking in taking exits. I had it on Standard (Chill is the other option; I'm never sure which is more aggressive). A lot more nagging than I was expecting, too. Looking forward to a lot more driving over the coming month, tho. I need to plan a long trip, I'm thinking!
Mine new owner trial expires in a couple of days. I was going to sub for another month but didn't. Guess I'll just wait to see if I get it again after my free trial expires.
HW3 M3LR. Got mine. Was hoping for a 12.5 release, came in at 12.3.6 but that's ok. More to follow from my perspective.
Ya. Tried it on my short commute to work and it still doesn’t work right. On Average setting it tries to pass a car right before freeway exit, which is baffling to me.
If FSD is safer than the average driver near you, you should move.
Looks like everyone got it automatically without doing anything. Neat! I'll use it but won't get it for 99 afterwards. Too much risk for 99$ . If he drops it to 1$ a day, might consider.
I live in the mountains of nc and got this free trial on my model y 2021 I’m excited!
got this one too this morning! Awesome will try out again. 
Yep that has been the biggest challenge to FSD. I simply take different routes. The fun part would have to let it go into the parking lot and find its way out. Most likely it would have taken a path outside of your normal route. But like I said I never question the car anymore lol
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Yup. Missed my exit, and also decided the highway speed limit was 50 at one point. My guess is that it's very, very area specific with how well it works and I must be in a "bad" area.
Yeah, I'm in the US. Activated this morning. Tried using it and it had to turn left across a 1-lane with oncoming traffic (no stop lights). Completely fucked it up with being hesitant, then pulled into a left-turn lane meant for the oncoming traffic and not someone (me) going the other way and slowed down again before tentatively trying to merge into the correct lane. By then, another car I hadn't even seen because it had been so far away almost rear-ended me as they had no clue wtf my car was doing. It is still so terrible with things outside of bread and butter lane keeping and mostly right-turns and straightforward left turns at traffic lights.
Same
I love that they do this. I’ve had my car 15 months and this is my 4th-5th free month of it lol
He lives in Seattle and parks in an underground apartment garage with no service and has standard connectivity, so I also suspect this played a role in why he got no updates.
FSD always felt like I was working while driving… you have to pay such careful attention… more so than just driving yourself cause you have no idea when it’s gonna slip up. So it’s completely a data gift to Tesla… the fact that they charge 100$ a month for it, is absurd to me. Because it doesn’t help me really…
Not Everyone! There’s still plenty of us on HW 2.5 out there.
me neither
Me neither :(
I ended up getting it a few hours after this.
Can anyone confirm if the 30 days is hard set starting upon receipt of the email offer, or does the 30 days begin from the time that I activate the offer in the vehicle?
don't know if its tuned for specific regions by virtue of a lot of Tesla activity being there (not on purpose), but that could explain some of the reasons why it does feel hit or miss at times. this is why certain Tesla influencers are annoying, in that perhaps they're in such a region or their routes work perfectly so they immediately declare Tesla to be the best and dismiss everyone else's concerns. If FSD is supposed to be able to do what FSD promised years ago, we would be able to have it drive perfectly in most areas. But that hasn't happened yet.
I wonder if I paid for it for a month and that expires on 10/21 if I will still get the 30 days free after that.
I’ve had same experience as previous poster. It’s pretty good and can drive me my 47 mile trip to work but it’s almost all highway. When I do city trips it frequently does stupid things like turn left from the right turn lane or drive down one way lanes at the mall. The latest version won’t even pull into my driveway. It pulls into the neighbors now. No way this is going to work without a steering wheel in the robo whatever. It’s at least 10 years away, maybe longer when the cameras can’t handle rain
Anyone got the email that is subscribed to fsd? Last time it was a free month. If I’m paying when other people getting it free, I’ll be taking a month break just to pull the money from Tesla
Just got it... Was quite shocked
One day we might get it in the uk
Seems as though it’s activated instantly and you can’t “delay” your trial is that right ??
I’m excited. I love the full self driving but can’t justify the price right now.
Just enabled it on my model Y. South Jersey. May be they need more on road data and user feedback
Does anyone know if the trial is 30 days from today or 30 days from activation date? Planning long road trip in December and will like to hold to activate trial in December
Oooo!!!! 6 months ago!
Still nothing… UGH!
I was wondering if we 2.5ers were going to be left out. 😕
Might be a vehicle-specific profile? Cars with FSD and those who use FSD also trust FSD more, while people who don't have it do not. But also, learning from the driver and maybe training with that data locally might affect it, since it knows how to drive in your geographical area from you driving.
Was surprised to get another trial but still on 12.3.6 just like last time. I’m assuming the point of this is to showcase all of the improvements? They should have priorities pushing out newer versions of fsd before this. I hate how when there literally zero guarantee of what fsd version you’re getting even if you decide to pay month to month. This is an issue they need to fix. Push fsd updates to vehicles that don’t pay for it so you know what version you’re on. It’s disabled either way but at least people see progress.
Just got it too. No smart summon (or auto park?), speed offset is a bit wonky - but hey it’s free.
Got it here Used 2022 Model 3 std range. So excited!
In my car that got the free trial, it was still on 12.3.6 which is the same version as the last trial. Hopefully all these trial cars get 12.5.6.
V12, still doesn’t stop for school buses. I found out the hard way today.
I don't mind, I can use it all day long to generate as much data as they like, if I can get it for free again and again :)
I didn’t receive any email, but after reading your post, I checked my app and noticed that my FSD subscription is set to expire on November 16.
No. He did say that 12.3 should "arguably" be called 13, and then he said it again about 12.4, and 12.5 should be v14 etc, and it was kinda silly. But everything else you said is wrong. They are indeed releasing v13 this month according to their roadmap, long before they go unsupervised.
I’m more excited to get the Enhanced Autopilot again.
Is smart summon included in the FSD trial? Not seeing it in the app.
I disconnected it twice in 3 miles today because it would stop 15 feet back from an intersection or be in the completely wrong lane. It drives like a drunk teenager.
Your first sentence and second sentence are contradictory
Yeah it’s horrible. Disabled it last time will disable it again now lol
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I’m having trouble wording it any simpler, I’m not sure how you don’t get it. The car does get up to speed fast, yes. But for the ENTIRE REST OF THE DRIVING THAT THE CAR DOES IT IS VERY RELAXED AND A SAFER THAN YOUR AVERAGE DRIVER. Quick acceleration from a stop does not equal the entire drive. Also it’s “quick” to accelerate but by no means unsafe while doing so.
Just got it on my 22 M3
This - the added details on the screen is more appealing than actual FSD
Yeah seems strange. I had 12.3.6 during the last free trial 4-5 months ago. Just got the current free trial and it is still on 12.3.6. So it is still messing up in all the exact same places it did months ago with zero improvement.
It also slows down way to fast and uses the physical brakes constantly. I can drive my car never using them but FSD apparently can't.
Just got it - 2023 Model Y, it's driving me to Costco
I was running the last version. FSD 12.5.4.1 was pushed to me later today. Will try it again.
Yeah I've found it can work well around major cities, just my specific commute seems to be a problem
Same. Grocery store parking lot. Middle of afternoon
Got mine too. 2024 Model 3 here.
Was a surprise this morning. (Email was not read till then). But I guess, I prefer not to drive FSD. It accelerates to fast after red light switches. Still too jerky.
I suspect they saw a spike in sales last time they did it and want to replicate that. Probably the same reason they keep opening up FSD Transfers for a "limited time" over and over again. They have plenty of data with the existing customers
The failure to slow down on curves is what gets me. I feel like I'm on a roller coaster on some curves on the highway/freeway.
I know what it did. This was an hour ago. I wouldn’t be constantly intervening if it wasn’t doing really dumb things all the time. I'm constantly having to move it up to the line/crosswalk since it often doesn't get anywhere close. Just because it works well for you doesn’t mean it can’t suck for other people. You already acknowledged this above... why do you have so much trouble believing that?
Could not have come at a better time for me. Took a 330 mile road-trip today with my new M3LR. My 30-day FSD trial expired a couple of weeks ago. I used FSD most of the trip. It was amazing!
Unsurprising to find after using FSD today that it still drives like a drunk teenager and I have to intervene about once per mile, either to prevent it stopping 10+ feet back from an intersection, prevent it from using the wrong lane, or prevent it from hitting a cyclist. Let's not talk about the time it tried to drive off a sidewalk/curb from a parking lot. It accelerates very fast, even downhill, even in 25mph zones, even right up on someone's behind, and then slows down for traffic lights/intersections SO slowly. It's not consistent or comfortable at all. FSD needs LIDAR and other sensors to work well. I'm shocked at the number people here who cannot see the nuance in this discussion. It might work OK for some of you, but this system will be nowhere near ready for prime time unless it is 100% foolproof. Right now, it is not. And, honestly, it has not made large strides in quality **for me** in the last 18 months that I've tried it off and on. Autopilot has always been great for me and I've never had issues with it. FSD is another whole can of worms.
Which FSD features did you use that aren't available in AP or Navigate on Autopilot? For me, 330 miles would be mostly highway/freeway.
I agree. Babysitting the system is more stressful than driving on surface roads. I don't want to take a more laidback approach because Tesla literally warns you not to. You must be ready to take over the controls *at any time*, which means being vigilant. Those who aren't vigilant and who are killing people/themselves while using FSD/AP are not vigilant users of the automation.
So forever?
No, it doesn't. The training data is used in aggregate for machine learning training, not to correct your car's algorithms.
100%.
Car came with 12.3.6 and I literally received the 12.5 update on the last day of my trial, so it was great to experience the difference between the two versions. Just received another update to 12.5.4.1 today, so I can’t wait to try it out on the way back! Actually, a good portion of the trip today was on backroads/highways due to the interstate being wiped out by hurricane Helene in Western NC.
Sounds like maybe stop signs and turns, mostly? Just checked and I'm on 12.3.6.
Any way to force/request an update to 12.5?
Yes! A lot of just driving through small towns, etc and it was great to experience the performance of the 12.5 update.
Not that I’m aware of, but I’m brand spanking new to the Tesla environment having literally owned my car for 6 wks or so.
I just got this email in the last 24 hours, and now I see that v32.10 is available on my car (32.10 supports FSD 12.5). That makes me think Tesla may be timing the free FSD trial around the wider rollout of v12.5. Didn’t Elon say a few months ago that whenever there’s a major FSD release, they will periodically give everyone another free trial?
I was thinking the same thing. I got the email about the free trial earlier today, and about an hour ago I got the push for 12.5.4.1. Excited to try it. 22 MYP in SoCal
That’s good for me
Yeah a few hours after my earlier comment, mine just got the same update!
I was also worried I'd have to use this older software, but just got an update to 12.5.4.1 a couple of hours ago. Changed to advanced software frequency this morning. Maybe you'll get yours soon too!
Honestly this is what’s going on and not only are they surveying but they are making our cars go places they wouldn’t usually go my car is taking routes it usually wouldn’t take I sssume they see using me to survey local rds
i got the last free trial while i was in the middle of a 3 month free trial for buying the car. they extended the free trial for an additional month.
I thought Tesla was able to deploy to 2.5 hw now with fsd. I knoow they won't upgrade anyone's 2.5 to hw 3 just to give them a trial.
They will upgrade 2.5 to 3 for a small installation fee of $1000 plus tax, but not worth it IMHO when 3 is close to EOL.
Can I save my 30-day Full Self-Driving (Supervised) trial and start at a later date for a trip to Canada from San Jose during thanksgiving, would really help me with driving. Thoughts?
They collect data from all Teslas who haven't opted out, not just FSD users. FSD runs in shadow mode on all Teslas capable of it.
True. But then they don’t get data on when the user chooses to disengage, right?
In case you guys don't intuitively get marketing angles: this new trial will end shortly before black friday.... Coincidence? Nestled under 'we, robot' guise, sure, why not.
It’s giving me update to 12.5 now. Its stuck on 100% downloading. I’ll wait it out
I just got pushed the 12.5 update about 20 minutes ago
I got the update
Much of that could the result of Toyota having a goal of creating a lane keeping system and ignoring any future autonomy. While Tesla is creating an autonomy system with a goal of doing everything well.
Mine activated yesterday then I got an update this morning to FSD 12.5.4.1. Hopefully that is a major update to the FSD system because I had to disengage 4 times yesterday and that was on a 10 minute commute to and from work (stopped at a crosswalk with no pedestrian present, drove down the center of a 2 lane metered fwy on ramp with multiple other cars present, 10 below the speed limit on a 40 mph 2 lane road with no other cars around). It was so bad I’m afraid to drink my coffee and can barely concentrate on a podcast because I’m paying attention so closely. Orange County, CA - 2023 M3. I don’t if it matters but mine is the one with no sensors only cameras.
I had 2.5 and got upgraded to 3 for free. Many others have done the same. It’s not publicly advertised, you just have to ask for it.
Did you happen to purchase FSD prior to the upgrade?
I like to know what service center did this for you and who to talk to.... My service center said no way
Same here in Florida
That was my thought as well. But I think Toyota might also be going for stacks of systems that work together, but also follow their own rules. I did run into a few situations where the Lan Keep was fighting with the lane departure warning. There were new and old lines on the road and you could watch the lane keep fight to stay in the new lines while the lane departure warning got angry it was not following the old lines and sometimes corrected it. Resulting in this light weave left and right.
Yeah it shocked me. It was driving a Kia with Lane keep + Radar Cruise that made me think "Wow, if this is how good Lane keep is, how goo dis Auto/FSD?" Suffice to say it was similar in the Kia. It did certain tasks better than Auto and FSD Oh and the Kia could do the whole sit in traffic thing as well. It's very similar to Auto and FSD in traffic, but a bit softer on the gas and brake. I think Tesla could learn a lot if they drove their competition.
It might just be me, but I feel this should be free all of the time. We are basically beta testing it for Tesla. Not saying I won’t use it while it’s free, but I’m not paying for it.
Got it after the update in my 2024 MY RWD I love it but too cheap to buy lol
So I got the trial was doing well the first day. Got v12.5.4.1 and now it wants to drive 1 foot over the left line. I would like to try it more but it is unusable the way it is right now. :/
I wanted to give you an update as a sample size of one is not worth much. Sample size of two now, and it did the same two mistakes, but worse. It tried turning left into a right only highway, and the wrong turn into a ramp would have cause an actual accident if I didn't disengage. If I trusted FSD, I wouldn't have a car anymore.
Yeah just got it for my Model 3 and Y, got concerned for a second thinking I accidentally subscribed hah.
Making "stacks" is like object oriented code. Its good when you have all the answers and a good spec for the system. But the spec for how to drive a car is not well defined at all. This is why it must be learned and it cant learn little pieces at a time. It has to learn it all so it can also learn how to compromise.
its on!! it is better and keeps getting better. It will only be worth for $1/day including tax.
I tried it and it was stupid and dangerous. I think it is an old version of FSD for my 2021 MY. HW4 and the latest FSD version is necessary for the experience that folks present on youtube I guess. It is a good thing to sample FSD before buying. I would be willing to use it for few hundred miles a month if Tesla paid me as a trained tester. There is no justification to buy it at its current performance: too much stress to supervise it.
Actually, I’m a FSD subscriber and didn’t receive the free trial. Elon, please pay me 100 bucks.
Yeah I have no idea what I am talking about. I was just saying is like these 2 unrelated systems are stacked on top of each other. Following their own rules and thus ended up fighting. Maybe good for redundancy as far as safety goes. But maybe should have a weighted who wins in a conflict piece in the code. My guess is the Lane Departure wins, but then when the danger is over the Lane keep takes back over.. Thus my weaving? Anyways I have no idea how code worked. So "Stack" may not be the right word. Just what it seemed like the code was doing.
Maybe Toyota is doing what you say. Everything you say is logical but its not doable long term for a robust system. In my past I was really good at tuning, adding if statements and "turning knobs" to get software to work great. But at some point it got to be way too many knobs and too many interdependencies to tune. Thats when the switch is made to machine learning.... basically give it all the knobs and let it figure out the settings. Next there is AI (or in parallel with) and I dont have the knowledge to even go there. IMO Tesla is doing it the right way even if it takes longer. And even if there are lots of compromises that make many situations look like dumb choices. Those dumb choices are very likely a compromise somewhere deep in the system to keep a pedestrian safe (for instance).
I’ve been all over Washington state using FSD and it works 98% of the time. lol the fact your having problems. Tell me that you could be in a weird location that has new constructions or something. The new update , I did notice makes a lot of gps mistakes.
I got the update yesterday. It's worse now. 🤦♂️
Had it for two days now, and feel it is worse than the trial earlier in the year. Super buggy. Indecisive in neighborhood navigation. Not as smooth at intersections. Highly disappointed
It ran an unambiguous red light, passed a car that had pulled over for an ambulance in front of it, unable to get out of my well mapped condo, takes highway exits way too fast for me (in chill mode), takes too long to decide to slow when traffic ahead is obviously slowed (requiring it to add the friction braking), accelerates too quickly after making a turn in residential areas. On the positive side, it handled a 4 way stop well, confidently proceeding when it had the right of way, and I took several trips with my wife and she was not aware that FSD was being used.
At his staged event, dodged the HW3 FSD question.
The did fix two tricky intersections by my house that I left feedback on so I’m totally taking credit for that.
Tried FSD today. It waited until it was almost 500ft to Staples to change the lane. and then barely changed to the right lane, and missed the entrance to Staples and kept driving.😓
Anyone know when this expires - noticed this on my car too.
Received it unaware. Was hoping the auto-steer for non-fsd got a huge upgrade, lol
Hw3 here and still haven't got the email.
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Probably because you already have enhanced autopilot.
you should see the parking spots and a P on each one. Click the P and it will prompt you to click another button to start the auto park
Works perfectly for me all the time. So I think they are very close to being completely autonomous. I do also think people disengage FSD unnecessarily when they think it will do something stupid before giving FSD a chance to figure it out. Not saying that’s what you do but I know a lot of people who do so I have reservations about your judgement of the software.
[Here's a video of FSD trying to turn left into a right only highway](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWYZDsj3o-I). It gets soft locked here. No matter how long I wait, it'll keep showing it's left blinker, confusing the cars on the highway. I waited maybe a good five minutes before disengaging and just driving myself. You can see from the navigation that it is supposed to be turning right, but it just gets stuck here for some reason. No new construction, pretty standard location for a business in my area (within 30 minutes of NYC), and clear road markers and signs. Idk what else to say, FSD isn't ready.
I just bought a Used Model Y perf on the 19th and am wondering if I am going to get an email for a 30 day trial as well. I have not seen anything in my inbox so I guess I have missed some cutoff....
How did Waymo get so far ahead of Tesla ? Tesla is supposed to be the leader in this field with a huge database unequal in the industry!!
Used fsd for 3 days my drive to work is 70 miles one way. Worked very good. Amazing. No need to nudge steering. Just pay attention. Hopefully the reduce cost of fsd
Mine literally turns into the oncoming traffic lane every single day at the same place. It's literally a standard suburban "T" intersection, just slightly wider than usual. This has been an issue since the last free trial and is still not fixed. If Tesla themselves truly felt FSD was ready for robo taxi, they'd be taking responsibility for crashes and allowing for hands free use.
Mine is still hugging that inside curb way too close Naldo it seems to have a lot more complete give-up’s during sunset glare. After a few 5 hour road trips the last few days, I’m feeling like robotaxis with no steering wheels have to be at least 10 years away.
The updated FSD (12.5.6.1), has gotten a little bit worse and considerably more dangerous on the highway. Other problems are: Faster starts, shorter stops, and 45 degree maneuvers to take off ramps. Enhanced autopilot with auto steer is better than FSD. The manual lane changes are fairly smooth. This feature should come standard with the basic autopilot.
2% of the time not working is really far from robotaxis.
I have owned Model Y since 2022 but I have not received the second free trial yet. I subscribed to one month of FSD last month so I am not if that matters.
I called the customer service number and talked to a rep. She said the free trial is going out in batches. She didn't know how many in each batch and how many batches or what the time frame per batch was. She stated that even though I just bought my used 22Y that I would get the free month. I also asked what version I would get and she said it would be the latest since FSD is currently not installed. Guess I wait.
Thank you for sharing this. 
Same here. Second trial still 12.3.6. 😭
I have not received the trial. I guess not everyone is getting it.
I just realized th8s and it expires on the 25th. Lame. Wish I knew, I'd be using it.
I had it for a month. It expired on Nov 19. Then what do you know? I got extended another month lol now expires Dec 21
Why haven't I gotten one? I bought mine in March 2019 Model 3. It's a 2018 but was brand new when delivered. I have yet to get a notice for the trial.
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