MKBHD's First Trip In The Robotaxi

Good clip. Informative

Awesome

Interesting

He’s about to make so many wallpapers

Nice. I like it.

For the low price of your firstborn!

“There’s no window controls”…. Hope your fellow passengers didn’t eat Taco Bell for lunch and leave you in a gas chamber.

https://preview.redd.it/ti1nzdsj04ud1.png?width=1943&format=png&auto=webp&s=017d122344e50d164ee9ef779716082e583bdc64 I believe he's wrong on that one.

Bad design if a tech reviewer can’t find it. Tesla open door button confuses most people. They’re used to a handle. Why do they change the design language?

This makes sense when the you have lambo style doors. Center controls are always surprisingly hard to find for people who aren’t used to them. I remember not being able to find them in a wrangler.

Agreed. The most frustrating thing about my Model 3 is that nobody knows right away how to open doors. I have to explain it and it's unnecessarily awkward for both driver and passengers.

So…let’s be honest here…it’s a preset route programmed into the car. All the other traffic is done by “actors” as cars. There are no human intervention on the “streets” of people crossing the road or running into the field of the car. What we’re really seeing here is a show and is in no way or shape representative for how close Tesla is to release this for the public. If anything it’s actually disappointing because it’s all been done before and they are even not putting a release date on it.

“Button’s there” How awkward.

You realize FSD works is much more hectic environments today right? And plans routes out today. Software next year. The taxi the following year.

"Where?" "There" \*reaches for window controls\* "No, top of the door handle" \*looks around blankly\* \*reaches for emergency door release\* etc. I've been driving my car for 1.5 years and trust me, I know that it's awkward. Some people completely blank out when they are faced with a car door that opens via button. I obviously got used to it and I like how simple it is, but the few seconds delay every time while new passengers try to figure it out is just that - frustrating.

You know FSD is supervised?

Reach your hand out and point directly to the button. I’ve had 3 Y and S with the buttons for almost 7 years. Some people by default reach for the release but it’s never a 6 step conversation.

And it’s plenty capable of doing everything shown.

Almost every new car today can drive by itself on a road… when Tesla say supervised they say: driver is to blame if anything happens..is this so hard to understand? FSD is pretty good, but if you look at reviews it’s a really long way to before you can remove the steering wheel and let it go from A to B wherever it may be by itself

Fair enough. Maybe I'm just dealing with dumber people...

I only see tesla self driving. Which new cars are you talking about?

If a tech reviewer can’t find something as simple as a window opener, maybe they should find a new gig.

Okay so they don’t have any the liability on the consumer vehicles yet. But my Tesla drove me from the grocery store home yesterday. The capability is there. What more could they show on a closed course with attendees? You act like the other vehicles being actors is a bad thing. Were they supposed to have hundreds of other cars getting into near accidents on purpose to see what the robotaxis would do and just hope everyone is comfortable in there?

There al window controls hiding behinds the cup holders.

FSD took me to and from a 10/10 viewing party across town, without me doing anything other than selecting destinations, tapping where I want to park, and then parking back home in my garage. It did get itself into a turn only lane it shouldn't have been in (at a spot it always makes the same mistake), but was able to switch back into the proper lane at the last moment. Even if it has to make the turn, it still would have got me to my destination, just 2 minutes later.

That design is so damn cool. I really hope that someone talks Elon into his senses and they make an actual car version of this.

I live in AZ. We have had WAYMO for like 2 years operating autonomously. Previous to that their cars were on our streets for about 2 years prior to that with drivers mapping and correcting. Leon's "data" from all his cars does not have anything on WAYMO physically driving the routes THOUSANDS of times and storing all of that ACTUAL DATA. Imagine people believe that this can be done safely anytime soon without LIDAR which Leon refers to as a crutch. Tesla stans are soooo excited this morning. It is the same feeling they have felt DOZENS of times over the years. Christmas is coming!!!!!! Just not sure when.

Works is kind of stretching. Sometimes it's marvelous and mind blowing, but often it is janky as hell.

Even tech reviewers do stupid things. But MKB wouldn't ever do something stupid... Right?

No other car today can do anything even remotely close to what Tesla FSD does. But yes, I do believe unsupervised FSD is likely quite far away. I would be surprised if it happens next year. Something like 3 years from now would be an amazing outcome if they can pull it off.

He's comparing FSD to cars with adaptive cruise control and lane centering, which is hilarious.

Not sure the market for a two-seater would be very big unless it's autonomous.

That's how Mercedes demonstrated their L3 at first too. Did you expect them to take the cars out into the city for a press event?

Right, but a 4 door mini 3 could be amazing.

Software was only 1 year away in 2016 and it’s 2024. This will never make it to the streets.

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The way they're currently progressing with purchased maps is slow, with innacuracies in the maps and traffic data often causing weird decisions when it comes to lane selection. If they start making more curated and regularly updated maps that include accurate lane data including closures etc, I think their cars would immediately show a significant improvement in decision making.

The capability is not there and, if we’re honest, it’s not close. I don’t doubt that it drove you to the grocery store and home but that’s very different from it navigating, say, a 300 mile road trip without incident: with varied weather, traffic, road conditions etc. I’ve had it fail on a basic motorway here in the UK because of rain. When it works it’s fantastic but it’s so far from working reliably.

This is hilariously pathetic lmao. A perfect encapsulation of the cynicism, inability to interact with other humans and stupidity of redditors all in one comment.

I’m not bullish on FSD/Taxi. But what you’ve just written doesn’t make sense to me.  How does waymo have more data?   Are you saying the data Tesla has is less valuable or useless?

https://preview.redd.it/xrwkxujyw4ud1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48c108c732492dae33f459490788b79deb5030f4 He said as he shows the right passenger door window cracked open.

Are they though?

He's saying Waymo will need 1000 years of work to expand their service to the entire continent.

Fsd v12 can do this today

The UK is not currently allowing Tesla to use the updated version of FSD. It is heavily limited in Europe and will be for a while. But watch recent videos of FSD tests with confirmed latest FSD updates installed. It works extremely well. Also, if you compare to Waymo or Cruise, those are not taking you on 300mile long road trips either. They are operating in enclosed areas. Tesla is about to rollout in the same situations.

Anyone have an ID on the jeans the passenger is wearing?

What you guys have to start asking yourselves is how come everyone on earth is using a suite of sensors? Because Leon always thinks he is going to somehow make things work that do not work. Will his camera system work eventually? Sure. Just like everything that is related to him it's always eventually. No one knows the date of that eventuality. People have been given this guy thousands of dollars for almost a decade for FSD lol.... What I'm saying is the way more data is far more superior to a bunch of camera phone pictures

Really? Because all the data released says that waymo as an operating unit is far superior to Tesla. Buddy waymo started working with the NTSB a decade ago Tesla has not even started that process have a good da.y

Yes?

They're saying Waymo has more data because 1) they use LIDAR which provides more(and more reliable) data than tesla's camera only setup and 2) they had drivers in the cars mapping and correcting for the area that they now operate prior to rolling out the autonomous vehicles. Neither of those things are really up for debate, either, honestly.

Waymo. Which has actual robotaxis open to the public today.

No it's a bad review, he said that after being in the car for 1 minute at night.

this is awesome

When isnt he? His auto reviews are always meh

Did anyone else see the Police Cybertruck when he looked left at the parking lot?

Do you mean the one where he says, "Cybertruck police car"? Yeah, I caught it.

Funny you should say that, because just 20 minutes ago I got a compliment from someone else saying how well I communicate on reddit (in another tesla thread). What's wrong with my comment, anyway?

Throw out any discussion of how close FSD is or isn't to being trustworthy for this kind of application without the roads cleared of pedestrians and basically all traffic. It's inevitable that a fully autonomous vehicle is going to wind up in accidents at some point, including ones where passengers or others die. It's inevitable that a fully autonomous vehicle is going to hit a pedestrian at some point. When those things do happen, it's not going to matter if the car was at fault legally or not - what's going to matter is the general public hearing somebody's terrifying story of sitting in the car and having to just watch someone splatter all over the windshield without any ability to intervene and that's going to poison the public against it.

That's nice. FSD drove into a lane that was ending and didn't notice. I had to swerve over to the other lane before it hit the curb. This was during the free FSD trial they did a bit ago. System sometimes works without issues and other times it puts you in unsafe situations. You wouldn't be able to pay me to be put into a car with FSD and remove the steering wheel and pedals.

A lot of cars have the same solution. Maybe most people dont need to buy a Tesla or try to learn a new thing

It already is lol, just Watch some fsd videos

I particularly enjoy the Cybertruck ones. The rolling death machines are great fun to watch with their occupants frantically grabbing the controls!

Check out Teslas official CT Off-road video

Given the state of FSD, I think the next logical evolution would’ve been to show off its capability on real streets. FSD can run circles around this kinda playground so this isn’t very impressive at all.

Or you’re just so deep into the sunk cost fallacy of this car and its company that you refuse to believe that obtuse and useless design is actually not better than sliced bread. Buttons as door handles is dumb and always will be dumb.

“No other car comes remotely close to FSD!” Bro you are out of your mind if you believe this. Do you mean nothing without LiDAR? Because otherwise you’re just easily verifiably proven wrong lol.

How about real world? https://preview.redd.it/p3ae265i85ud1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=980a2d467e509a11819eb07c0aeb01971d07afbc

There are many cars that put all the window controls in the middle, for instance Jeep does this. The moment you learn once where it is, it becomes a nonissue. People just like looking for things to hate.

Well this is a reveal, not a release.

One person drove it in sand and doesn’t know how to drive it in sand. What does that have to do with the truck?

FSD is open to the public; there are no waymo-style large scale internal testing network at Tesla. If and when FSD is truly ready, we would know it around the same time that Musk would.

Did he put it into his wallpaper app?

You don’t have the current FSD beta in the UK. It had varied traffic. And road conditions have never been a problem for mine. Same with weather other than a torrential downpour which humans mess up with as well. A road trip is easier than suburban or urban city driving. So it’s there.

Mercedes demonstrates their system on public roads alongside pedestrians and other cars…this is at a filmstudio with actors…but yes, the way they brag about this I was actually expecting to see it on normal roads or at least (which really worry me they didn’t) implement pedestrians in the demo…we’re talking taxis, taxis primeraly drives in city centers

Noted on the differences in FSD between Europe and the US. But if it’s unreliable in a torrential downpour, then it isn’t ready, no? What would happen in that scenario if you don’t have pedals or a steering wheel? I may be being too UK-centric but from what I’ve seen we are many, many years away from navigating our narrow city streets and country lanes.

For real.. the window buttons are literally **right there**. I could see them in a video from 2 feet outside the door.

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Multiple autonomous vehicle companies do exactly that at CES every year. They run real cars on public roads, although on a predefined and pre mapped route. This has been done for several years. The lack of real traffic is the most disappointing part of this unveiling

No, I mean every car. Name another car you can buy that can do what FSD does. All the ones with lidar are extremely primitive in comparison.

Tesla has millions of miles of self driving already under its belt. FSDv12.5 or 12.6 will be end to end ai driving both city streets and highway,without the need to pre-map the area. You can today sit in a FsDv12.5 tesla and not touch the wheel at all start to finish.

He’s usually wrong. Nothing new

The reveal should’ve been level 4 FSD or something, not whatever this was.

At least Tesla is trying to be visionary. Well done

I appreciate the effort he has to do them. He's getting better with time, but I still don't see the Ethos he has for car reviews. If I am looking for a car video, I'll hop over to Jay Leno's garage or other car channel before MKBHD.

I'm talking about consumer vehicles. For consumer vehicles, nothing is even remotely close to Tesla FSD.

FSD is a level 2 self driving system…it’s supervised. You cannot put it into n the same category as the CyberCab. FSD is not nearly good enough to not supervised.

It's a conversation you need to have, which you don't on any other brand.

https://preview.redd.it/4or5uidyj5ud1.jpeg?width=1332&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49dbb7237ecdf62729211b0c3358b7700e9b475e What’s your point? Cybertrucks aren’t the first or last trucks to get stuck in sand.

Or, if a tech reviewer who occasionally does car reviews doesn't find it straight away, it's a bad design.

There’s not really a great market for two seat taxis either. Anybody know why they wouldn’t include two rear seats?

I think Elon can’t fathom people having kids or friends with them.

I mean...maybe not in California, but I reckon in NY there are plenty of people (single+1) looking for rides

I'm surprised they didn't stick the window controls on the screen

There is a market for it. However, there’s a reason that nearly every cab or Uber seats 4 plus a driver.

You must own alot of tesla stonks

My wife had a Mini, and now a 2-door Bronco; both with window controls in center, I will never get used to it when I don't drive her car regularly, but they make a lot of sense (cost, weight, doors that come off, etc, etc)

BuT U cAnT bUy A wAyMo

WAYMO has been doing it for TWO YEARS brah.....Kool Aid kills.....like FSD.

Tesla releases their driving stats fsd is far safer than human driving. Waymo can’t scale doing this two years and only have two cities? Ps I use fsd all the time it’s safe as hell

And you can't ride a Tesla Robotaxi. (I know you're sarcastic, but I'm sure someone here is unironically thinking that)

Why do you think that? Do you realize how many Uber rides have just a single passenger or two at the most? Excluding rear seats allows the car to be much smaller and cheaper. If most rides only have one or two passengers, then this is the best way to go.

There’s a counterpoint in that I’ve rarely seen an Uber or cab with room for two. Cars with coupe versions rarely cost more than a $500-1000 less. Yes you can build them cheaper but you really diminish their functionality. For example, you completely exclude couples with at least one child.

Elon has many kids himself and frequently made a point of how many passengers you can carry in a Tesla. He went as far as including 7 seats in the original Model S, and they still have a 7 seat option in the Model Y despite its size. This is simply because most robotaxi rides will likely have only one or two passengers, so it's more efficient to design the car around that. If you're buying a car for your family, then you'd want more seats for occasions when you'd need them. For a robotaxi, that's far less important.

Address the fact I stated. You cannot.

Got ‘em.

Coupe versions of sedans are just sedans with fewer doors. This is significantly smaller and includes no rear seats at all, so it can be much cheaper. The two-seater market is small because people buying cars want to have more seats for occasions where they take their family or friends with them. With a robotaxi, that's less important. It's mostly just gonna be shuttling around single passengers. The minority of rides that have more than two people will just hail a Model 3/Y instead.

True... have there been any accidents like that with the current crop of self driving cabs like the ones in San Fran?

I think no matter how far fsd goes you will be required to keep hands on the wheel just in case some unheard of glitch happens. But with the robo taxi? With no wheel? This is going to be some Saudi oil kings playtiy for his desert city. It’s not gonna fly until some serious breakthrough beyond fsd happens in my opinion

Canyon River

Disappointing smoke and mirrors. FSD is years behind Waymo. And I’ve tried both.

Much cheaper = about $1000. I think it’s an oversight just like developing trunks in the model 3 that consistently splash your luggage in the rain. They often don’t consider the world outside California/Austin tech bros. The good news is that they have a ton of time to rethink this. We’re not seeing them on live roads anytime soon.

I don’t think any of his kids talk to him once they’re verbal.

Sure, but my 2024 M3P can drive from my driveway, to the grocery stores parking lot, then auto-park all by itself. So you're right, its level 2, still supervised, but its 85% there for me.

How are you going to prevent an accident when you're in the backseat of a Waymo?

What happens if the robotaxi come up to a blinking red light. Because my MY sure can’t handle that!

great first look by MKBHD !

Literally the only reason to take a cab in NY if you're not super rich is because the math works in larger groups.

The difference in cost between the Civic Coupe and Sedan was negligible at best. There are few, if any cost savings to making a two door vs. four door.

Civic coupe and sedan are the same car but with a different number of doors. That's very different from building a smaller car designed from the ground up around having just two seats.

I think this is 2 seater for robotaxi and model 3’s will be 4 seaters? It’s all the software update right.l? Once FSD is ready you can have your model 3 go work for you as tobotaxi…

Definitely not true. I've heard many stories of him hanging out with his kids. Often while he works, yes, but he does seem to spend a substantial amount of time with them.

You mean the ones that haven’t disowned him?

I'm not sure if you think this is some kind of gotcha question or something, but, uh... You won't. You'll watch them splatter just the same. Not sure why you seem to be under the impression I have a different opinion of robotaxis as a thing based on their brand name. The technical differences(waymo's better sensor package and more accurate mapping) could make a difference in public perception if it happened that a driverless tesla was the first to have a major story as I described above, but in the end it's going to be a pretty emotionally impactful thing and could very easily lead to outrage and legislation.

The Mazda Miata is built from the group up to have just two seats and they're not what I'd consider cheap. Economies of scale is what drives costs down. When you built a form factor that doesn't make sense for the majority of people, you lose whatever tiny benefits you gain from losing two doors. There's a reason the "personal coupe" form factor has been dead for nearly two decades. Trying to claim it makes sense now because it's a taxi is nothing short of asinine.

Correct. I doubt he spends much time with Vivian anymore.

He’s a pretty terrible tech reviewer when it comes to vehicles. High quality videos though.

Yeah that’s the joke, Elon abandons his kids.

No gotcha question. I think I misunderstood your post. >having to just watch someone splatter all over the windshield without any ability to intervene I thought you were saying that having no steering wheel is an issue specifically for the Robotaxi because the person in the taxi can't intervene to prevent an accident from happening.

I don't know the cost difference, but I'd bet it's higher than $1,000. Maybe more in the $3,000-$5,000 range. You eliminate a lot of stuff when you have a smaller vehicle with no rear seats and no rear doors. Size in and of itself is a huge driver of cost. Smaller cars cost substantially less than larger ones. You really think the choice of making a two-seater is an "oversight"? As if they simply didn't think about the market size for a two-seater robotaxi versus a five-seater? Laughable. This is a very deliberate decision, likely driven by data on the average number of passengers in an Uber ride. The California/Austin meme is tired and untrue. Tesla is the best-selling car brand in Norway.

The one who disowned him, yes. But he absolutely cares about his cars being able to carry lots of passengers. Just doesn't make much sense for a robotaxi.

He didn't look for any controls, he just noticed them missing from the door. This wasn't a review, it was a first impression in real time.

removing 2 doors, 2 windows, seat components, 50cm from the wheelbase, associated weight, plus benefits of a smaller battery, better aero due to not needing rear headroom - it certainly saves more than $1000. Very difficult to say how much, but at a 30k USD car, to have the same range and making it a 4 seater, I would guess would add closer to 5k

That's a niche car. I'm not arguing that a normal two-seater car would have a large market. In fact, I recently argued the opposite here. But for a robotaxi, a two-seater is all that's needed for the vast majority of rides, so therefore it makes way more sense. Demand for a regular car is driven by the maximum capabilities needed throughout the entire ownership. Demand for a robotaxi is driven by the capabilities needed for an individual ride.

Is it just a 2 seater?

It blows my mind how people actually paid $12 a month for a wallpaper app. Next up - “For additional $10 you can get exclusive access to MKBHD wallpapers, shot personally by Marques”

Crazy that irvine PD paid for the truck and now its being used for a private company like this... They could have replaced 2-3 cruisers with a model y for cheaper.

Ahh okay I had sound off my bad

The difference between 85% and 100% self driving is exponentially harder which is why Tesla is not going to release this taxi anytime soon. I guarantee the dates laid out by Elon are all missed.

Mercedes is certified as a level 4 self driving car.

Mercedes is a consumer car and is more advanced than Tesla.

On the other hand, we can see what FSD is capable of already on public roads, and it's nothing short of mind boggling. What was demonstrated here was the product, not the capability. The capability is a known and tracked varaible.

Pretty great. I mean, the demo of the "FSD" was lackluster, but that's already a known... it's seen daily by people with self driving teslas. The capability is light years beyond what they demonstrated. What was revealed was the product - or more importantly, the experience... and it's impressive, particularly given the price they are estimating. And frankly, at this price point (presumably the "robo van" will similarly be inexpensive), you can see this sort of thing being desired even for businesses such as theme parks that constantly shuttle people within closed paths (from parking lots to theme park etc.). I think the event was poorly done for the purposes of exciting the public... there's too much nuance for the uneducated or fud peddler to get lost in... but when you consider the wider view of what's happening, it's quite exciting.

It's not. Not even close. Mercedes still can't even stop for stop signs. Tesla was doing that 4 years ago, and can now do way more advanced driving maneuvers. It's not even in the same league.

Nope, Level 3, and only in very restrictive conditions that make it basically unusable. To give you an idea of how far behind they are, they can't even stop for stop signs yet. Tesla was doing that 4 years ago.

Completely irrelevant…you have a steering wheel and a responsibility!

Why is he carrying an R5 and recording with his iPhone? He should have the 15-35mm f/2.8. Maybe he just brought one lens and it wasn't wide enough?

Panels actually. Hope there's no gaps in them.

He rather share the name of the remix of Dr. Dre & Snoop Dog - The Next Episode

Don’t care what he thinks anymore

Tesla is constantly testing other versions at the same time. They've talked at length about how, long before releasing a version, they let them run in shadow mode to collect data.

Ha I figured

And there are always nasty surprises when the versions run in practice; things always look better in shadow mode than it does in real life, which is why Musk keeps saying bold things just to be proven wrong by reality.

Mercedes FSD only works in the day and when there is a car 50’ ahead. Your comment on them says a lot!

Want to know how this is further off than "2-3 years"? You, today, cannot use FSD without it requiring your full attention and constant interaction with the steering wheel. Now, take out the steering wheel and any ability for a user to intervene in an emergency; that is what this is. In two years, we will be so confident that the system scraping up people's wheels will drive so well that we can take out all user controls?

If I could bet against Tesla delivery dates for things I'd be a millionaire.

I've driven like 1000 Uber rides and I'd say 90% of the time it's 1-2 passengers.

Yes.

That's a total waste. Why not make 4 seater

Because most taxi and Uber trips are 1-2 passengers.

Those doors do not look like a smart idea, why not the doors like the X?

Their passengers are just as dumb as the driver. Not too hard to imagine when you realize that's the case.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy or ride in a Tesla. "I can't believe how much I hate the product I spent $40k+ on! Why am I stuck with this!" - learn some personal responsibility and don't spend $40k on a product you're not satisfied with.

I heard people say the same exact thing about keyboardless phones. Nobody is saying the design is "better than sliced bread". They're just saying humans of reasonable intelligence don't find anything unusual or difficult about learning how to press a button.

Meanwhile, my recent visit to Tesla service was a complete comedy show worthy of Larry, Moe and Curly. Complete buffoonery!! Tesla thinks it is all about engineering and they don't give a thought to the customer experience.

Yes, that is because SAE Level 3 is miles ahead of Tesla and the government requires very strict limitations at the moment for level 3 vehicles because the driver is not legally driving while level 3 is being used.

You're sure about that? https://www.youtube.com/live/6v6dbxPlsXs?si=IwJsv6iACRd04HWT&t=7804s If it doesn't seek correctly, jump to 2h10m04s.

Imagine the average person trying to find the manual door latch in an emergency. I wonder if it is hidden like in a cybertruck. At least in the cybertruck the owner should know the location but in a taxi an average passenger will just die inside.

You know nothing about this do you?

It’s a 1h20m video..good one

A small mom car. The size of a Suzuki Celero. Enough for a mom and a kid. Perfect.

Not impressed

Uh, when I did the link yesterday, it was over two hours long, now it's one hour 20 minutes? Looks like they trimmed the wait time at the beginning. Here's the new timestamp link and time stamp.. https://www.youtube.com/live/6v6dbxPlsXs?si=2aAUtj3nI4OxPBLU&t=4677s 1h17m57s Very near the end.

That’s not a cybercab breaking for a pedestrian, that’s a model Y at low speeds. The Cybercab stops at destination

The 30 Model Y complemented the 20 Cybercab they had. It was not carrying people but still drove autonomously. Edit: I take it back, the Model Y were ALSO carrying people around... https://preview.redd.it/a3solmqhvbud1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89479388676c6817494d0dcdc26b044c3300a14d

mine can’t handle a flashing yellow!

Which car can I buy with Waymo self driving capability?

I mean he didn’t really do much but record. He didn’t look around the cabin, interact with the touch screen, provide any live feedback. It might as well have been a mounted camera on that ride.

Honest question…. Do those doors fit in a regular parking space?

Yes. Cruise drove over and stopped on top of a lady. She was first hit by a human driven car. Cruise has not driven a rider only mile since. They were sidelined over a year ago. Waymo on the other hand is the real deal. Doing well over 100,000 trips a week now. In three cities and being implemented in two more.

Is it visionary if another company has been already doing it for years?

FSD is nowhere near reliable enough.

Waymo is restricted to certain areas.

Whelmed. Nothing shown was of particular difficulty for any current self-driving stack.

I would say it’s closer to 95% for me. Probably 5 km out of 100 include some kind of intervention on my part. And yes, the finally 5% is the most difficult. But the rate of improvement is increasing. It’s not linear. Look at how the training data (people with FSD) and compute has increased. In a year it will be 97%, in two years 99%, though that final percent will take some time. No one knows how long.

The only thing that throws me off about the design is imagining these in someplace like New York City where getting those doors open where traffic is so congested and tight might be a challenge.

Kind of a rude thing to say no? From what I’ve read, Mercedes drive pilot maxes out at 40mph and will be increasing this to 59mph by late 2025. Only usable on highway lol. I had a hard time finding a video with someone doing real world tests with Mercedes. Could you share a link to back up what you’re saying?

He should’ve asked it to take him home

MKBHD is still waiting for the Roadster he paid $250,000 for in 2017 lol

I will take that bet every day, it will not get anywhere near 99% - with the current hardware/software. I do get that fans really want it to work, and I do own a tesla, but its not going to with systems we see from Tesla in cars today.

Oh no, I think this is a significant barrier to broad adoption for any fully automated vehicle designed for the people in it to be unable to intervene in an emergency in the short/medium term. I can see how you could get that impression though, there's a ton of people out there with weirdly incongruent, biased views when it comes to Tesla.

Kind of my thoughts too. Both vehicles seem very practical and useful, enabled by their manufacturing and tech capabilities.

I started at 50%, then 75%, now 90%+. It’s approaching 100%, and knowing how all technologies iterate over time, it’s crazy to believe it won’t get to 100%. Also, I’m not restricting based on current hw + sw. Next year AI5 comes out. In 2 years AI6. Maybe HW3 won’t reach 100%, but I believe everyone beyond will.

Why is nobody talking about the wireless charging? That’s by-far THE biggest (and most realistic) announcement from this.

He dropped a video addressing the issues and actually fixed them.

Yeah it's supervised, but practically FSD is like 95% there. I use it on my 35 mile each way work commute every day. I've gone on long road trips with it. I rarely have to intervene.

And right there is the problem…that you rarely have to intervene means you still have to intervene! In other words this is far from ready to be in a vehicle without a steering wheel and pedals! Also…if you see the amounts of complaints after the last FSD update you seem to have been lucky you only rarely must intervene

Yeah but practically speaking FSD is far more useful than waymo. I've gone on loooong roadtrips with the FSD. Waymo only works in a few places. Pretty sure you can't sleep in a waymo either. THAT is what I care most about. Being able to sleep in a car on my commutes or road trips.

Waymo is a taxi service…it would be extremely expensive to sleep in one. So now you changed your focus from FSD to sleeping in your car 🤔 you know people have been sleeping in their cars for as long as cars been a thing?

Don't be obtuse. I want to sleep in my car as it drives me to work or on a trip. That's the true value of self driving cars.

You cannot do that while on FSD…but you can actually do that in a Waymo taxi

Can you sleep in a waymo? They legally allow you to?

Leon?

> If anything it’s actually disappointing because it’s all been done before and they are even not putting a release date on it. They did though, 2026, more precisely before the start of 2027. As far as FSD goes, Texas and Cali are supposed to be getting level 3/4 in 2025, so we’ll see in year a I guess.

https://preview.redd.it/hvv0x37nxjud1.jpeg?width=1047&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=711e67eba960b7b18c7900a55b14c3eb3a56ecea Read this… And Musk said 2026, but I’m very optimistic. There will be no level 3 FSD in 2025…relax

That’s lawyer speak, because nothing Elon said is guaranteed, and the last thing Tesla needs is another lawsuit. The timeline is 2025 for Level 3 FSD, and 2026/27 for the Cybercab.

Well… it won’t happen

Nice!

Maybe it won’t, we’ll know for sure in 14 months.

Like this disney ride was?

Man, if only one of the attendee's had had the Cojones to jump in front of one of the moving prototypes to test it out. That would have been a hell of a viral moment. Oh well.

It’s one programming task away from solving that situation. Literally.

This MKBHD channel is just full of fluff.