FSD 12.5.4 - Support for FSD with sunglasses

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Vision based monitoring support w/ sunglasses... You know what I meant. :)

I was about to slap some wiggle googly eyes on my sunglasses.

12.3 still. Maybe someday

this is what i want. im on [12.5.2.1](http://12.5.2.1) that i got a few days ago so maybe in 2 weeks ill get this done ( hw3 22 m3p).

How can it tell if your eyes are closed?

Finally got 12.5.2.1 this morning. I’m grateful for it. But 12.5.4 is the big one for me. Need sunglasses support to complete me.

How accurate is ASS? If I wanted to use it to pull into a tight spot in my garage would it be able to do that inch perfect? It is there variance?

the interior camera has infrared so I am sure it can see though your glasses.

12.0 still maybe one day lul

I don’t think they’re using that yet. I was driving home Saturday night and it said it turned off attention monitoring because the cabin light level was too low. I have a ‘23 and it definitely can do IR because you can see it in the app at night.

Running 12.5.2.1 currently, Drove 100+ miles on FSD yesterday wearing a hat and sunglasses, only nag I got was when I momentarily checked my phone. Seems limited vision based attention monitoring with sunglasses was activated in 12.5.2.1

Apparently it doesn’t because “cabin interior too dark, attention monitoring disabled.” Comes up constantly at night.

Yes not currently but in 12.5.4 perhaps it does they arent going to let people fall asleep with FSD wearing sunglasses.

EU owners looking jelaously

Which tesla vehicles have IR at this point?

Pretty sure everything since around 2021.

I too have 12.5.2.1, and yesterday it kept saying “sunglasses use detected. Attention monitoring unavailable.”

I wonder if ASS won’t come to EAP since EAP technically includes SS, and not ASS.

It may not us it now, but the thought is that this is how the new update works.

12.3 is a pretty solid version. While 12.5 is good, it definitely still needs polish. For me, it seems to really struggle with yellow lights & even slammed on the brakes to stop for one, which was pretty uncomfortable. Today, it did a rolling stop at a stop sign, which was fine with nobody around but definitely not good & caught me off guard. I'm sure I can write more, but the gist is that for cautious drivers, 12.5 works, but I can definitely see why 12.3 is the main version. I had 12.3 briefly, was stuck on 12.4 for so long (& really wanted to go back), & just got 12.5 on Friday.

I just watched a video of someone testing it. It saw through their glasses and was tracking eyes but cheap pair of sunglasses. What about my coastas? Can it see through mirrored polarized glasses is my question

Time will tell on that one only looks like a handful of people have this so far so I would check youtube this evening I'm sure there will be a few vids as these updates roll out to OG testers who have youtube channels first.

What’s different about this? I’ve used FSD with sunglasses with no problems. Actually it’s better because it nags less when it can’t actually see my eyeballs.

I’m honestly a bit on the fence about how I feel with this. Currently the car is VERY good at knowing if you’re texting or not paying attention to the road. I have to assume that this update is just relying on your head position and not your eyes - which will allow for people to keep their heads faced forward but look down at their phones.

This might finally get me to subscribe to FSD. The instantaneous nag anytime I do anything was a deal breaker for me.

I suspect it depends how much your sunglasses block the view. I've had some that were more for polarization than light blocking, and eyes would still be clearly visible through the lenses.

Nah my late 22 model y doesn’t have IR

Interesting. Meanwhile, I had issues with yellow lights on 12.3 but 12.5 (got it a week ago?) has been perfect. It would be nice if Tesla released more information about their test suite regarding what is going on. My guess is that it gets better in some situations and degrades in others and there isn't really any clarity about which

You probably have an older car. Only newer ones have the infrared lights.

That would be dumb summon, not smart summon. Smart summon is the feature where the car comes to you in a parking lot.

With FSD 12.4 and above, you no longer have to touch the steering wheel as long as the camera can see your eyes. Not just reduced nags. It's literally none at all. With FSD 12.5.4, now that applies when you're wearing sunglasses too.

This update contains ASS too!

Agree 12.3.6 > 12.5.2.1. No hands is nice but its made some questionable decisions. HW3

*Cries in cybertruck.

A rolling stop seems like a good sign tbh. The full stop feels incredibly unnatural especially at an empty intersection.

Dumb summon is not available?

Thank god. I’m so sick of being told I shouldn’t look at the giant ass screen they put in the cars and wearing sunglasses to avoid that.

I can tell you would love to have some of that ASS...

~~It has eyes detection...~~ [~~Welcome to 3 years ago~~](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/o5lw79/inside_camera_100_monitoring_eye_movement/)~~...~~ Update: u/Tookmyprawns , thanks for the kind reminder. I wanted to update my post for clarity but didn't have time. Even on FSD 12.4.3 (2024.15.15), if I had my sunglasses on with the mirror coating, cabin camera would detect that I was wearing sunglasses and that the active monitoring (cabin camera) is no longer being used and I was forced back to applying turning pressure to the steering wheel. So in my experience with FSD 12.4.3, it wouldn't use head position. It must see my eyes. Therefore, I had to take off my sunglasses and use the sun visor. I'll check with FSD [12.5.2.1](http://12.5.2.1) to see if the condition continues on from FSD 12.4.3. Can't wait to get FSD 12.5.4 and see how it reacts with my mirrored coating sunglasses without IR cabin camera.

I forgot EAP said "smart summon" on it. For the longest time I thought it just said "summon". Did they add that when EAP came out at $6K? With FSDb actually being something cool and usable now, there's a chance Tesla lets EAP have ASS since FSD clearly has some benefits. They also probably won't want to maintain regular smart summon too.

It is with the latest updates, which so far not many people have.

I have a 2023.

Model 3, I assume? That was the last model to get the IR lights. They were added for 2024.

Yeah. Classic Tesla.

Yeah I also had a couple of bad experiences with 12.3 and yellow lights. 12.5 is a clear improvement IMO. Still not perfect of course.

Not sure what you mean by that. Gradually adding/improving things over time isn't unique to Tesla.

It doesnt have SS as well on non-uss models…

IMO the camera is an excessively complicated and stupid solution to this simple problem. Having the wheel be capacitive and/or understand it's being gripped is much closer to a binary value that is easy to read intent from. Yes, it's simpler to fool, but you'd be on the hook for any problems incurred. If it's a simple system and fulfils regulatory requirements it's a no-brainer solution. Using a camera requires at minimum: - Head tracking, perhaps body tracking too - Eye-tracking - Advanced logic to determine intent - Advanced logic to use as a fallback if the user is wearing sunglasses Keep in mind too: - this needs to work in a profound number of lighting conditions. - the camera has very poor angular resolution due to being extremely wide to be able to view the whole cabin. The main occupant then sits at the edge of the frame, which is even more distorted by a wide angle than directly ahead of the camera. - old cars that have been guaranteed FSD don't have IR and will have to use their ancient cameras to fulfil all of the above. Eye tracking isn't even a standard feature in most VR headsets you can buy, which have almost the absolute perfect conditions you could possibly hope for (consistent lighting, are sat situated point-blank in-front of your eyes, no issues using IR, etc). I strongly suspect you'll never get to see the any sort of visualisation of how this camera is determining body / eye tracking and user attention because it's almost certainly horrendously inaccurate. God knows how many developer man-hours have gone into making a shit camera the sole arbiter of fulfilling a safety regulation requirement, when a simple addition to the wheel would've sufficed. Going all-in on the camera solution is nothing short of pure insanity.

This plus ASS makes me super excited. Still waiting for the matrix headlight thing (isn’t it approved in the US now?) and the future update to myQ, hoping it fixes it because it’s a steaming pile of shit currently.

When you’re wearing sunglasses it can’t detect eyes, since (afaik) it’s only using vision cameras. Which means it would just be relying on head position.

Did someone say ASS?

NHTSA nixed that amongst many perks for us a few releases ago, despite the rest of the world doing it. Driving != Driving by the book.

I just got the update notification. Will test later today with my douchebag Rayban polarized silver mirror aviators

What are the terms and agreements with ASS? For fsd, it makes sense that fsd responsibility is on the driver, as they can overpower the breaks and steering. But for ass it's all software on your phone. I would feel much less confident leaving my ass out like that.

Shit take of the day

Incredible rebuttal 5 stars

Teslafi just updated with 73 pending downloads of this version fingers crossed its going wide people. [TeslaFi.com Firmware Tracker](https://www.teslafi.com/firmware)

exactly, it's nice, but wrong technically

FSD during the day with out sunglasses is great, but I live in Arizona. So I am reminded to touch the steering wheel, to me this is not a deal breaker.

Would be awesome if hands-free driving came to Autopilot. There's no reason we should still be dealing with wheel nag in 2024.

I don’t want my car to break the law.

It’s over for HW3cels

A car that won’t break the law won’t be self driving. Not that it has to be lawless, but this a large reason why FSD is a hard problem to solve.

Stopping at a stop sign is very basic. It should do that under 99.99999 percent of circumstances

It’s contextual. Random stop sign on a clearly empty country road? Rolling it. City stop sign? Absolutely stopping and waiting. Should the car stop for a full three seconds as well even at an empty intersection? Most people don’t do a full three second stop if no cars are around. A cop won’t pull you over for it either. In my opinion, FSD should aim for natural human behavior rather than strict rule following.

How’d it go bro?

A less than 1 year old car being left beinhd on fsd relating features. Pretty lame. We were told cars from 2017 would be able to to cross the country with zero driver input. Engineers would have known this would be needed. Everything is fractured to shit. Things that were obviously needed for fsd were added later, or still haven’t been added yet. I’d be surprised if hw5 doesn’t have glaring omissions too where it hits a wall with features, and you’ll have to get hw6 etc. and we’ll still be making excuses.

This thread you’re on is about sunglasses.

Agreed. Can’t drive without sunglasses during the day majority of the time. And just got 12.5.2.1 as well so probably what, six more months?

Thanks for the kind reminder. I updated my post to reflect my FSD 12.4.3 experience which I wanted to edit my post but I didn't have time.

I updated my post above, but with my experience with FSD 12.4.3, it didn't rely on my head position. I'll check with FSD [12.5.2.1](http://12.5.2.1) when it's sunny and I can use my sunglasses. It's been raining here lately and all gloomy.

You're so bitter it's annoying

I don’t believe that is true.

Look, I was surprised too. Seems to not be a fluke though. The same thing worked today. Maybe my sunglasses are just light enough for it to see through. they are not mirrored.

#WHEN HW3 DOE????

Took it to the store a few miles away. It doesn't seem to be able to see your eyes with mirrored sunglasses. As long you are not been obvious like tilting your head too much, it won't nag at you. You can side eye the screen just fine. My camera has no IR tho and all my windows are tinted + top shade so my interior is darker, dunno if that matters tho.

Huh? Why do you think IR lights inside the cabin are needed for FSD? They're needed for driver monitoring at night, but that's only relevant while FSD still has to be supervised. The goal is and has always been unsupervised FSD, and you don't need IR lights for that. The original HW3 is all that's needed. They haven't broken any promise there. Hands-free driver monitoring was never promised.

Got 12.5.4 on HW-4 yesterday. Orks flawlessly with sunglasses. FSD driving doesn't seem to be any different, still wants to go into granny poke along mode on our two-lane rural roads that oftentimes don't have a fog line. speed limit is 45, most people do that up to maybe 55 on straight stretches, and FSD wants to move at 35 mph. A bit too slow. It drove me home last night, which is great, but it does not recognize deer, which is a problem in this rural area. FSD is a game changer for the car, I went a whole day without it between when the free 30-day period expired, before I broke down and paid $100 to have the subscription.

Yes but you had to keep your hand on the steering wheel.

Tesla should make it an option that the driver can turn off. I'll risk a ticket, NHTSA does not need to get involved.​

Just offer the options to the driver. If you want your car to obey the law to the letter, so be it. I don't, and neither does the vast majority of drivers. Snce I don't want to get rear-ended, I want the option to turn off the full stop.

Big deal. What I want is a version that does not stop for green lights, that picks the correct lane, that does not lag way behind traffic at 45 mph on a 55 mph road, and does not constantly sit in the passing lane.

So is it monitoring your eyes with sunglasses on? Because on 12.5.1.3 I have now with sunglasses it will only nag if I completely turn my head , otherwise it’s just a steering wheel nag. So is 12.5.4 actually able to see your eye balls? 👁️

Have you used it with glasses yet?

have you tried it?

Yup, works great.

What do you mean by “great” ? It’s monitoring your eye balls? I’m on 12.5.1.3 right now and without glasses it’s super strict on where my eyes are, I can’t even glance at the screen or my phone.

Sems to be the case.

This makes me want to not update and just keep my 12.5.1.3 😂

The above is a statement, so Im not sure what you asking? So I will clarify.. I own a Tesla and drive every day with FSD while using sunglasses, Arizona is sunny.  If you are wearing sunglasses your Tesla will note this, since they cant monitor your eyes and periodically have you pull slightly on the steering wheel. You should go test drive one or if you do own one, just get FSD for a month. 

Sorry let me clarify. I have 12.5.1.3 right now. My question is are you on HW4 and do you have 12.5.4? I’m asking because my FSD now works really well with my sunglasses. I like that it can’t see my eyeballs because without glasses it’s too strict I can’t even look at my touchscreen or glance at my phone. With my sunglasses however it’s very convenient and all I have to do is turn that scroll wheel. So I’m scared to update 😂

Ah, I see. I have 12.5.4. and I felt the prior was to strict with out sunglasses, actually I was very frustrated. I drive most of the time with sunglasses, but actually prefer driving FSD with out. I will get reminders to pay attention, but I apply pressure to steering and it turns off, even though it doesn't say to apply pressure, same as with sunglasses. Try the new version, it seems to give more warning and if the pay attention pops up, just apply pressure to the wheel, like with sunglasses and it turns off. Hope this helps.

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I received the 2024.27.25/FSD 12.5.4 two days ago. Forget what the old FSD was 12.3.x? Sad because the update came after returning from a 10 road trip., of course. Eyes monitoring worked for a short time with the old version then stopped. It would have been nice to have eye monitor on the trip rather than play jiggle the wheel.

Got it yesterday. I am so excited. Only 12.5.2.1 though 😭😭😭

Agree. It’s ridiculous. I can’t even do quick things on screen without it getting upset

Trade cars with me. Used it for 5 minutes yesterday and mine does rolling stops into traffic, leaves no following distance, accelerates aggressively, and was automatically driving 10 over.  This is “chill” mode also. I wonder what assertive would be.

It gets upset if I look to the right at traffic coming off the ramp to know if I need to move over to allow them to merge, because it thinks I'm looking at the screen I guess