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Additional information here: https://x.com/fminderop/status/1836059214793355267 > Semi presentation by Dan Priestley > 1700km in 24 hours is possible > 7.5 million driven miles already > 400.000 km with one truck within 1,5 years > They replace diesel vehicles 1 for 1 > Heavy lifting up serious grades are possible [Associated image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXr-H0yXEAAq17a?format=jpg&name=900x900) https://x.com/fminderop/status/1836059608227434506 > Efficiency is key ! > 100kwh / 100 km is proven and gets better every year [Associated image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXr-expWkAASEnt?format=jpg&name=900x900) https://x.com/fminderop/status/1836060794519162895 > 95 % uptime > This year will bring new customers > 2025 - we will scale production which will bring lower costs > They aim to get to 50k units/year in 2026 > They are also scaling the charging infrastructure > There is compatibility with other 3rd party charger networks > Low cost and high utility > The future is electric Looks like the whole talk can be found [here](https://x.com/dennisgunst81/status/1836082522318311554)
Anyone that has watched any of the drone videos from Giga Austin can see there are zero Tesla Semis there.
Well, no. I think the implication is that they're using the Tesla Semi trucks for internal workloads, not vehicles leaving the factory. Or at least from Nevada to Freemont. I would expect their stateemnt to have heavy qualifiers on it.
Yeah “all” is doing some heavy lifting here. I see car carriers all the time full of Teslas. I’ve never seen a Tesla Semi on the road irl.
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Right, but those probably aren't Tesla's trucks. They're either external suppliers or external transport companies. Tesla uses their own trucks for shipment between their Nevada and California factories, which now are Tesla Semis.
They're so quiet too
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All* of our trucking! *some
God no. I would love to not hear trucks constantly driving down the street when im just sitting outside at lunch or something.
One of ways Tesla will gain adoption is that there will be a secondary second hand market in the future. Tesla’s cars may be comparable in price to other cars in the same class, but how many people pay full price for their cars? I think it’s absurd to buy a new-new car, as soon as you drive it off the lot it loses tens of percent. (I do think the worst part about Tesla is how to get repairs and maintenance, as well as the ability to “turn off” your car if the government want to. That and if there’s some EMP style attack or solar flare all vehicles that rely on electronics are bricked. I’m not sure how much the market will care about this but personally as much as I like their vehicles, I want to go backwards and get a 100% analogue car)
By far and away, the worst part of owning a Tesla is the post ownership service/maintenance experience.
Hmmm, I know I’ve just seen a vehicle dropping off Teslas at their overflow lot. It was a diesel engine semi and I’d bet a subcontracted deal. So did they really replace or did they just shift all long haul deliveries to someone else and get them off their books. Not saying that’s what has happened. Just seems to not marry perfectly with what I saw with my eyes.
Semis are a place I think Tesla can really punch up climate change. There are many semis but not as many as you’d think. If the government gave each trucker a one time use tax credit to turn in the old rig for an electric one that could be a huge quick win.
The long haul drivers I'm pretty sure are just firms hired to move the vehicles and not included in this metric.
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I don't think the timeframes are checked at all at the moment, largely because it's still just PepsiCo using the trucks I think.
Semis still make plenty of road noise. Don't need to add more sound.
Settle down sport. These are very new. They aren't supposed to replace all tractor trailers. Drive past a UPS facility and see how many tractors are sitting around unused during the day, or doing a few hour drive to a local hub from a regional hub, then sitting on site all morning moving trailers around the unloading docks.
Cash for Clunkers but for semi trucks - I like it!
I’m of the opinion that for trucks hydrogen is the solution, batteries became too heavy given the size and with it also longer charging… it’s just a matter of time for hydrogen infrastructure to cover this use case (much easier than for cars)
An EMP would take out any car with an ECU, so pretty much anything built since the 80s if not earlier.
Let me guess, Tesla owned like 10 Diesel trucks and outsources most stuff to Diesel trucking companies that still drive around with 500 trucks every day.
All of our trucking can mean "the trucks we own and the driver is our employee". The other and much more common trucks that help Tesla's operations can be vendors that provide a service and choose their own equipment and staff.
Tesla has an outsourced logistics partner, they still run diesel. I think he was talking about the internal Tesla Trucking, which is much much smaller. Basically doing runs between warehouses in Livermore > Fremont and from Sparks > Lathrop.
A once in a generation investment could do alot compared to most plans I see….. ofc imo
> But a mild hum that other motorists and pedestrians can hear isn’t a crazy concept people. Semis do a “mild hum” and diesel truck noise is way over that. It’s a nuisance that needs to disappear.
No
I’m not suggesting diesel sounds lmao, I’m suggesting anything but silence for these vehicles. If they already make a hum that’s fantastic, people seem to go to the extreme and think I’m supporting traditional engine noises or some obnoxious sound pollution.
Seems like they mean what they said. Which is all their trucking is being done the Semis, that statement does not include subcontractors. There’s little evidence to suspect they purposefully gave long haul just to subcontractors. And we know they operate the Sparks(Nevada) to Fremont (California) route, which is long distance.
There are other and bigger players in the market, Tesla is sadly getting behind.
Tires are generally pretty loud in general, so a moving car or truck is rarely all that quiet.
Depends a lot on the severity of the repair you need done. For the simple-to-moderate stuff, they send mobile service to your location, and it's super convenient. Also, need for any repairs are pretty rare outside accidents. For serious repairs, where you have to go to a service center, and possibly get parts, yes it can be pretty horrible. Though they typically do a very good job of keeping you appraised of your vehicles status via the phone app.
Hydrogen filling stations [are very explody.](https://insideevs.com/news/354223/hydrogen-fueling-station-explodes/)
Without electricity, you can’t get gas either.
Tesla Semi is much, much louder than a Tesla Passenger car. Still nice and quiet but distinctly audible to the vast majority of pedestrians that are not shutting themselves out with ANC headphones.
I’m of the opinion that anyone that thinks hydrogen with it’s 40 percent round trip efficiency can outperform batteries with their 80+ percent round trip efficiency doesn’t understand economics.
I’m all for making neat claims, but when you say things like “We replaced all of our trucks with electric” and then the general population sees 90% of Teslas being hauled by diesels…you’re discrediting yourself. If you’re making qualified statements, qualify them. Be careful what you say and how you say it. I expect more from department heads.
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I think a biofuel like methanol is much more likely to be used than pure hydrogen. Especially for farm machines like tractors pulling plows. Trucks will use batteries in the future. They will have access to high power chargers and the drivers has obligatory breaks that can be used for charging.
Unfortunately I think the owner-operators in the semi community will be resistant to the switch for a very long time. I can easily see the companies with fleets making the switch though if it saves them money in the long run.
I'm curious; How do Tesla semi drivers charge? Like where do they go? A semi would be too intrusive for the common supercharger parking spots.
That's what they said about Cybertruck, and now Cybertruck is outselling all other electric pickup trucks. The reality is electric semi trucks have near zero market share and it's a market that's ripe for disruption if Tesla can produce a superior product like they did in all the other categories.
Is it even 40 % round trip? I believe the 40 % is electrolysis to storage, but it becomes closer to 20-25 % when tires hit the road and you want mileage out of it. It’s a solid plan B for excess energy maybe for marine applications, but stupid as anything else.
Can you imagine one at a Supercharger? LoL. You did get me wondering how long it takes to charge and found this: "It takes less than half an hour to top up a Tesla Semi electric rig to 95% battery capacity on the dedicated 750kW Megacharger stations that Pepsi uses" 750kW charge is wild! And they can go 500 miles on a charge...that's pretty cool.
I've never seen an electric vehicle that didn't emit some kind of low-speed electronic noise. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the USA I believe it is mandated by law. As for normal driving speeds, you can't tell much difference between an electric vehicle and a quiet combustion vehicle because most road noise is produced by the wind displacement and the tires interacting with the road surface, not engines.
Well[ I got the answer to my question here](https://www.tesla.com/semi). https://preview.redd.it/hfzibnt7yfpd1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=739b66a7ff69e87aad27d5a01a3431bb7491ea90 70% charge in 30 minutes on these Tesla semi chargers it says. Edit: [The double screens inside look super neat.](https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/former-truck-driver-thinks-a-central-piece-of-tesla-semi-s-design-is-wrong_7.jpg)
Should they have bolded "OUR" or something?
Destination chargers at the factories they are hauling to/from.
What if they don't have enough range between the factories? Or do they set it up where the delivery distances are never beyond the range of the Tesla semis?
Ah ok, that makes more sense
Right now they are in pre-production, so everything is controlled. Tesla is using their trucks to haul their own internal goods, so range is a known quantity. For the external companies they are dealing with they are installing chargers AT the warehouses, so again, known quantity. So they're not typically finding/putting themselves in situations where they didn't get the juice math right and got stranded.
Tesla has spoken about starting their own fleet, with Tesla Semis. Many of the drivers have expressed interest in that.
Would be great but we need a new electrical grid. This isn't even that difficult but it needs serious political will to get us there.
Right. Batteries in transportation have a history, in both demonstration proof of concept and actual practical use. And with the current level of adoption, I would say batteries are squarely trending towards practical use. Hydrogen is stuck in proof of concept. The hydrogen highway struggles to be a thing. I would absolutely love to see alternatives to batteries, but so far, nobody is smart enough to do that with hydrogen at scale. I would think we would see hydrogen aircraft before battery electric aircraft. But I’m not sure hydrogen can even win against batteries in aircraft. AIRCRAFT: WEIGHT IS A HUGE FACTOR. It should be able to, but realistically I’m not sure it will.
Megacharger
And I thought the supercharger was the big one . . . Next up, the Gigacharger for charging Tesla airplanes.
This will be how it starts.
They aren’t silent. No EVs are. The noise from the tires rolling along the road are plenty loud to hear them coming for those of us with normal hearing. With the extra weight and additional tires the semis are already louder than other EVs.
I would totally buy a Tesla airplane. Or an RV. A Tesla semi with a full custom trailer built out as a luxury RV, with a pass-through from cab to trailer, would be super cool.
It’s a presentation to trucking manufacturers and users. They can figure out the meaning. They care more that there are millions of miles being put on the early vehicles and at what costs.
I think it would be really cool to get an eVTOL, the closest thing we have to flying cars in todays technology.
My 2015 pre-dates this nonsense.
yep
Agreed. I would love a drone big enough to hold four adults and some luggage with a decent amount of range.
There’s no Tesla Semi’s hauling cars out of the Fremont plant.
Top-up is not defined. Definitely no where near 500 miles in 1/2 hr
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Totally agree. For a real world example at what can be done, one need only look at China's [efforts](https://www.iea.org/reports/world-energy-investment-2024/china) into renewable power production. We can totally do it, maybe not as fast as it we ought to, but still pretty fast.
Electric class 8 trucks are already required to have noise generators.
It’s probably better for the environment to keep them but replace them with BEV ones when its time to be retired.
Do you think that’s an unusual amount ? >In May 2022, firefighter needed more than three hours and 40,000 gallons of water to extinguish a Lincoln Aviator hybrid after it caught fire on a ramp to the Clara Barton Parkway in Cabin John. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/fire-blankets-put-out-ev-fire-more-quickly-with-less-environmental-impact/3550451/ >Chris Norris, Easthampton Fire Chief, told us, “We have learned and found that many times for these vehicle fires, they require 20 to 30,000 gallons of water, so in terms of resource allocation and time constraints, it takes a greater demand of resources.” https://www.westernmassnews.com/2024/01/26/dangers-challenges-electric-vehicle-fires/ Those are cars. Of course a semi will take more water to put out.
Why do you think this is the case? Like a cultural attachment to diesel? Seems like a no brainer cost and sustainability wise.
People are never happy
> I've never seen an electric vehicle that didn't emit some kind of low-speed electronic noise. I see non-Tesla do that spaceship noise, but not Teslas. I'm in Canada. I'm not spooked by them arriving unannounced, there is something called friction that makes tires do plenty of noise.
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I barely see any leaving the gigafactory in Reno, which I drive past twice a day.....but I see old school trucks everyday.
The only thing I hear on this presentation is what is not said - we need a lot more power to electrify semi trucking industry. MASSIVELY more power. MASSIVELY more investment. The trucks are awesome - fill a need and do it at lower costs. The power company executives need to start partnering and building to meet the schedules without raising rates significantly. Initial implementations will require substantial logistical planning and coordination. Partnering with individual companies and building out like Pepsi/ Frito Lay was smart. Do enough of those, and a small network will be built out. Then expand and do more - build out the network. These will be multi-year projects. Company buys trucks, builds out chargers, electric company expands substations, electric company builds more generation. Rinse, repeat.
I hope vehicle noise dies out. At least the engine sounds. The city would be much quiter
It’ll probably expensive to put a charger on the truck, but it’ll be better in the long run. Charging while driving. Add like a line like city buses that connects to the power line.
Same reason people are resistant to buying EVs. Concerns about reliability, range, etc. As an owner/operator you run a needle edge on costs. You need an extremely stable infrastructure to run your vehicle and you won't be pulling this into your local super charger to charge one of these.
This, definitely this. Also, we can't just build that many trucks that quickly. Takes time to scale up the production, resource gathering and Charging network. It will happen, but it will be a slow build up over the next 20 to 30 years.
I would assume nearly all cars are leaving via rail.
Surprisingly they leave by Diesel trucks
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Not all diesels have DEF, which shows just how little you know about the issue.
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The person i’m responding to suggested the gov give money to truckers to replace their rigs with new EV ones, not if you’re replacing your rig anyway change to ev (which i 100% agree with). I guess it depends on what they meant with the word “old”, i just took that as simply gas semi in general and not a semi you’re about to replace If you’re replacing perfectly good rigs with EV ones then you’re creating waste which is also bad. The government should just mandate manufacturers to switch to EV ones going forward in a gradual fashion Tldr: waste is a huge problem
There is no way that they are too quiet to pose a danger to people, even if the battery was silent the noise from the tires is plenty
How much does it cost for a full tank on a rig lmao
Yeah; that’s a very important distinction.
So you’re just trolling. Got it.
Yes, but has that happened?
It can cost a lot to the point where some loads being delivered are unprofitable due to the cents paid out per mile vs the fuel costs. So the infrastructure for these EV semis will need to be extremely robust for this to be profitable. “Home” charging would also be an issue for owner operators since a lot of truck yards aren’t really robust themselves. The truck yard my father used before he sold his semi was a dirt lot surrounded by fencing. I’m sure that’s more anecdotal, but those are hurdles that would need to be overcome for the switch to be made.
I can’t wait until slow ass semi trucks are replaced with these. Nobody likes being stuck behind a semi trying to accelerate to highway speeds, worst feeling ever when you’re in a Tesla that accelerates so quickly.
Yeah it's going to be the age old argument of if BEVs are so good why are tesla transported by diesel semi trucks, why is diesel used to mine for x or y metal etc
Wow great stuff!
Tesla uses a lot of contracted drivers. This is not applicable to them but to the Tesla owned/operated fleet
I think it’s a bit misleading. if you take the comment literally, it’s accurate but hides the truth that the majority of logistics is handled by subcontractors who are not applicable to the statement.
You could google articles and video on PepsiCo's usage, including the Run on Less event
Yes, some are still running 2-stroke Detroits and sharing the pollution and smoke with all of us.
Trucks often spend quite a while sitting around waiting for a loading slot from busy warehouses in my industry (liquor) the waits can stretch to hours sometimes. It's not like they are all moving 24 hours a day. Plenty of opportunity for 1 hr charge times.
Battery energy density is increasing almost as fast as the price is dropping. CATL have just released their new LFP that are 200wh/kg when last years was 16-170ish. At the same time they are dropping in price by 40% per year (seemingly EVERY year). Hydrogen was FAR more expensive BEFORE the recent drops in battery prices. Its over for Hydrogen on price alone.
Fear of change. Many are still mad about DEF. Some are still running 60 year old 2 stroke Detroits. At this pace they'll never go electric. Not to mention the infrastructure issues.
The weight of these things is going to tear up roads way worse
Chargers are a big deal that needs to go along with that. Trucks will take too long to fill up otherwise.
At least the panel gaps will certainly be fixed in those ones haha
The best repair is no repair! I’m not being snarky, I’m 1 year and 30,000 miles in to a perfect Freemont model Y. On that car, from that factory, they really have their quality, reliability, build quality to a very high level.
The maximum allowable weight for a semi truck is 80,000 pounds. The maximum for an EV semi truck on Federal highways is 82,000 pounds. EVs aren’t going to do more damage to roads when they essentially have the same cap on freedom units.
Meh, as soon as megacharger infrastructure is nationwide and the sleeper cab is ready I'll be tempted to become an owner operator myself.
That's why driving a rig that lowers your costs is so hugely valuable. Owner operators will change their tune very quickly once their buddy starts using an EV and tells them how much more they're making. Of course I totally agree about the infrastructure but I expect Tesla will deploy megachargers nationwide before long.
What third party chargers exist that can charge the trucks? I thought that was some bespoke Tesla juice
We could, but unfortunately permitting is glacial in the USA and nimbys can abuse various laws and the courts to stop anything from ever being built Really hoping we get aggressive permitting reform
Tesla builds out Megachargers for the semi trucks. Other trucks can use CCS or L2 chargers.
I'm asking about the line you posted that says the semi is compatible with third party chargers
Ah, my bad. I imagine it's likely something similar. Plus, there are 3rd party chargers that use the same standards as Tesla. So it might be trying to say "Buy a ChargePoint with a NACS connector", but whatever the Semi equivalent is.
Right, but I don't think that any non-tesla megachargers or whatever they're called exist, or even could exist. Is the spec published? That's what I'm confused about. That seems like it would be big news
I drive the 5 between Bay Area and Los Angeles monthly and occasionally go by Fremont, but have never seen 1 Tesla Semi. No Pepsi, Frito, Tesla transporter, ... nada, nothing. I sure would love to see one. I see about 20 car transporters hauling Telsas along the way, but none are Tesla semis (likely since 3rd party logistics company as others have pointed out).
Yeah, the owner operators will be resistant and for good reason. PepsiCo can install its own chargers where it sees a need. An owner operator needs to know the charging network is sufficient before they buy one. This is a much bigger deal than worrying about charging networks before buying an EV as your personal car. You can charge your car off a wall outlet. You just drive your car TO work and then let it sit most of the day rather than driving the truck FOR work. IMHO it will unfortunately take a very lol g time for all the independent owners to switch. The big companies will first, and that will help increase demand for chargers which will ultimately create the network that will support the individuals.
It's worth noting that the 80k number is the federal standard of max weight, but states and provinces are allowed to have that higher. My location allows 170 000lbs as long as the truck has the right axle combination.
Look into how between two fill ups on a hydrogen station, there is a wait time, because the stored hydrogen needs to be compressed even more than just for storing. That takes time AND electricity. Also the part that you latch onto the car/truck will ice up and be impossible to disconnect after it has been filled up.
Oh heck yeah, those things are fast
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