What would be your biggest warning to someone thinking of buying a Tesla?

New Teslas no longer come with Autopilot. Which was a huge selling factor over competitors. For the car to steer itself you’ll have to pay $99 a month for FSD. That’s $12,000 over a 10 year period. If you drive a lot it might be worth it to you.

I agree that the ride is a little more harsh than other cars I've had like a Rav4 Prime, Subaru Forester, Honda CRV (yeah...somehow I've managed to own the top selling SUVs from Toyota, Honda, and Subaru), but it's not really that bad. Rides more like a sports car than a luxury or premium car IMO. But I wouldn't consider that something to warn people about. My biggest warning, which applies to any EV, would be to make sure you have easy charging availability, ideally at home, or if you have an apartment or condo, on-premises chargers, chargers at work, etc. Otherwise it becomes much less convenient and possibly even more expensive than just filling up a gas car. And follow the charging guidelines to keep your battery degradation to a minimum. Also you need to understand that full self-driving isn't like hopping into an Uber where you can just sleep for the ride. You will inevitably need to take over in some areas because FSD does not yet understand local traffic patterns that may be "outside the box." Oh, and don't forget depreciation. For whatever reason, these cars depreciate like nothing I've ever seen before! And if it matters to you, the chode CEO and the judgements or looks you might get from people who think driving a Tesla must mean that you support certain ideologies which you may be completely against.

You have to replace tires more often

Ignoring the elephant in the room... The second biggest drawback is the lack of luxury in Model 3 and Y. That extends to the types of the materials used in the interior, ride quality, fit and finish, etc.   For someone used to driving a luxury german car, switching to a Tesla brings with it a number of trade-offs.  We recently had a new BMW 3 series for two days as a loaner. It quickly reminded what I have been missing out on.

Always the thought that battery will die one day. When is the day? Is it tomorrow? Or when the day after? Maybe in 3 day? Who knows….life….

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Assuming they're coming from a gas vehicle - Charging is it's own little headache and challenge when road tripping.. Granted, the supercharger network is excellent and It's not "hard" and there are tools that help. But consider: 1. most destinations don't have chargers. Consequently you'll need to ensure that you top off enough for wherever you're heading next or your first action the next day will be to go to charge. The car has a tendency to arrive with a mostly empty battery if you just follow it's default navigation and charging plan. 2. in general, charging takes more time and needs to be done more frequently then the gas vehicle you're used to when road tripping. You generally have to stop to charge twice as often, and it takes 3-5x longer to charge then to fill up. You spend a lot more time just sitting in your car waiting. 3. really cold weather makes all this worse. you lose range. your car doesn't charge as fast until the battery warms. 4. it can be confusing why your car isn't charging fast at a supercharger and at times you may be confused why it's not going faster. You will either just wait longer or eventually learn the various reasons why charging can go slower. This isn't something you've had to worry about before if all you've driven is gas vehicles. OTOH for daily commuting and not road tripping, the opposite of all this is true. You charge at home and therefore wake up with a full tank every day. You never go to gas stations. You never stop and charge at all really. It's fantastic.

Don’t buy one unless you can charge at home.

If you can't handle change and are too lazy to learn new software features, or read a manual, or learn how to use one pedal driving, then a Tesla won't be so great for you. At least with a legacy automaker EV, you'll never (or hardly ever) get any updates that make your car do new awesome things so you won't need to learn anything. And your legacy EV won't have the best battery regen, so there won't be any importance on one pedal driving.

Definitely a reason to get the extended warranty

You would not be able to go back to a low-tech car (which is pretty much any other car in the market).

As someone who has owned 15+ cars. A lot of Japanese luxury and sports cars. You basically give up the luxury interior for the best tech in the world that is constantly improving, sports car acceleration, and very little maintenance. Our other car has luxury, and I prefer to drive the Tesla every time.

Do it sooner

I would say insurance. Model X insurance especially is very high.

Charging is the biggest topic I can think of. If I couldn’t charge at home, I would not own a Tesla. But I can, and I absolutely love my car.

Is that still the case though with the downgrade of materials in German luxury cars? I recently had to pick a new car and was comparing the new CLA EQ and the model 3. The difference in materials was night and day with the highland

Warning, if you have any other commuter gas cars, you may start considering replacing them.

Don't buy one unless you can charge at your home. 1a.) If you find yourself wanting to buy a different car every year or two, those days are probably over

This! It's more than my car payment

That’s insane wtf

> these cars depreciate like nothing I've ever seen before! It's because full battery replacements are ridiculously expensive and those are the horror stories you hear -not the I'm at 200k miles and have 70% of my range left and I've only had to replace tires and wiper fluid.

Warning: Don't depend on a supercharger. Insurance for me in NC is $204 month full coverage on two vehicles, 50/100, 500 ded Tires need to be replaced more often If you intend to use FSD, be prepared to feel much less stressed driving Depending on your state, registration might be XXX higher with an EV gas/road tax.

I am not sure what the luxury thing is. I find our Model Y very luxurious. For context, I am coming from an ‘83 Volvo and a ‘65 Triumph, both of which I still drive.

I'm in southern California

No, don’t scare people like that because it really depends on your personal circumstances. I have plenty of street chargers where I live, but I almost always charge it at work for less than I would’ve paid if I could have charged it at home. The street chargers where I live also aren’t bad, it’s still half the price you’d have to pay for petrol. Ultimately, if your street charging situation is decent, I’d go for it. If it would be the same € wise as petrol, I’d still go for it cause it’s simply nice to drive like that. If you do street charging, one with an LFP battery would be a better choice because it gives you more freedom to charge it fully.

Right, but I'm not talking about cost of repairs. I'm talking about paying $60K for a car and even if the car is in perfect condition, 3 years later you're lucky to get $30K for it.

It will ruin all other cars for you.

$350/mo here for a Model Y Premium AWD. And I'm almost 60 with a perfect driving record.

Check out reviews of your local service center. Even then good people will leave, and you are pretty much stuck with whatever Tesla has to service your car. I cannot wait until independent EV places are easier to find. There's also some risk with the amount of control Tesla maintains over their cars and software. You don't always get to choose what happens.

Charging infrastructure in the US is not great. Superchargers in the northeast are often overcrowded and congestion limited. Public level 2 charging is almost non existent from what ive seen in the NY area. Whenever i hear of “free charging at my office or apartment” I think unicorm :-)

Make sure you can charge at home or work. Seriously consider if you want to update from 13.2.9 to 14 if you regularly have to use Max speed.

That sucks! I’m sorry to hear that. The Netherlands, by comparison, has an extensive public AC charging network everywhere and you won’t have any problem street charging here. More so, the newly modernized streets incorporate two AC charging plugs in every street lamp post. Companies also have heaps of chargers because they get government subsidies to install and operate them. And they’re usually the cheapest. I only used the DC supercharger two times during a long trip.

Insurance will be more and if you don't have access to a good lvl2 charger maybe consider a hybrid. Also it's just me my wife does not have this issue.. But my windshield will crack if the car next to me sneezes.. I'm always swapping windshields.

Not if you drive it like a 4 cylinder camry/rav4.

I belive they removed Autopilot because of the ongoing lawsuits regarding naming and old accidents. That tech was no longer representative of FSD's capabilities. My guess is that some kind of FSD-based functionality be offered instead of Autopilot in the future. Could be *FSD on highways* or *FSD Supervised* once they have *FSD UNsupervised*.

Cybertruck ride / suspension on my test drive the other day was super smooth. Steer by wire is also incredible!

\- higher insurance \- stiffer suspension \- potentially higher tire wear \- don't let unsupervised teenagers drive it (my brother kid crashed his vehice when he was 'testing" aceleration) \- you really need to learn ins and out of the vehicle, otherwise you won't be using the Tesla to full potential \- you really need to learn about preheating, preconditioning and how too optimize charging during travel \- You will need to purchase certain accessories to increase vehicle usability

Guess it varies. I have a new X, and my monthly premium is actually lower than my neighbor's Lexus, and X is way more expensive than Lexus.

Yes, it was renamed and the removal of the ‘auto steer’ feature happened at the same time. It was clearly a business decision to steer people towards the $99 a month subscription. Pun intended.

Make sure you have home charging. Supercharging daily isn’t fun.

I agree, but I hope this situation is just temporary and some limited version of FSD comes back for free to all at some point. All Teslas need to be safest cars out there.

Be ready for friends who know nothing about the car to tell you all the drawbacks they read about that don’t exist. I’ve had people who have never driven one argue with me about how long it takes to charge and how there aren’t any places to charge. SMH.

It really sucks when you get in an accident and lie about it and the cop asks to see the video. Sorry!

Insurance is high because repair costs are astronomical.

Registration depending on your state. Insurance. Minimalist interior. Gets hot with glass roof.

It’s still inconvenient to charge at superchargers and it’s not best practice for your battery health to only supercharge.

Yes, when I said street chargers I meant to say AC chargers. I was unaware they aren’t really commonplace in the USA. I never use the supercharger unless I really have to.

Apparently we have 98 of those installed in NYC. I never even knew these were a thing. https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/electric-vehicles.shtml#/find/nearest

Quantify. I’m thinking tires wear down 10% faster due to the extra weight. Even 15% would be fine if that is the trade off for a low center of gravity and more traction on the road, I’ll take it. Both of which mean more safety.

In Europe at least you change good dynamic distance Set/Limit, easy switching of high beams and much better wipers with distsnce park sensors. You change it for a promise of „its gonna drive itself“. But also for a car that is really good in every other aspect and you get freaking updates!! But yea - I miss stuff I took for granted.

My spouse hates FSD and regenerative braking. They find FSD "boring", regenerative braking too abrupt, and they prefer to drive ICE cars. I like being driven around by FSD and don't find it boring at all...

The instant torque probably doesn't help tire life either

That stinks! It is insanely low for a metropolis like New York! Just as a reference, if I were to give a more well known example, this is how the public charging network looks like in and around Amsterdam, there are about 10k charging stations. The situation is the same in Eindhoven where I live, they’re in the thousands. Odds are, you’re within 5 minutes walking distance of at least 2 in a big city. I have 10 of them around my building within a 5 minutes walking distance. If I visit another city, I usually leave it at one of the AC chargers in the city, or at a park and ride that also has them if I plan to stay the full day, take the metro and return to a fully charged car. No superchargers needed, that also keeps them less crowded. https://preview.redd.it/k6bkcvwt1aog1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=ca95575d20045d8a6b81f4988b7c8fdba97b722c \*edits

Find a hw4 with FSD already paid for.

At 26 months it would be a warranty issue. I have seen no data of the hw4 computer failing.

Paint

In my humble opinion, the biggest drawback with Tesla is trying to get customer service. They can be very difficult to engage and get answers in a timely fashion. Customer support is just not great. I’ve been fortunate that my previous 2020 model 3 and my current 2023 model S have had no issues but I would dread having any significant problems dealing with a service center.

I personally have been drawn to it specifically by the minimalist style they have. Old teslas look timeless, it might not be luxurious but they’re definitely beautiful compared to cars from a similar era.

The wipers. Haywire auto wiper operation, and no stalk for easy manual operation.

I already own a Model 3 and love it. The thing that gives me pause on getting another is Musk. Not the politics per se. it’s that he seems to no longer care about the cars. He’s trying to make Tesla an AI, robotics, automous taxi company. All he wants from Tesla is the cash flow to fund his other projects. The rate of sales declines and the number of high level employees leaving doesn’t bode well for the car company.

Very accurate depiction

Exactly!

agreed on the ride quality. I don't mind it as much as I'm usually a driver or front passenger, but on the rare occasions where I sit in the back seat, it's not a nice experience compared to other cars.

Elon… not more to say.

I cannot charge at home. However, I have a work car that i drive the most. So I only really drive my Tesla in the evenings at weekends. I can go 2-4 weeks depending on how much I drive between charges. I have a mobile charger that I can use when I am somewhere with a plug. My town also has a free level 2 charger, but it’s too far away to walk home and I am not sitting in my car for 6 hours. I usually supercharge. With all that said, I still pay less for charging than I ever did for gas. I don’t see this as a hurdle. I was weary about it before I bought my car, but it has seriously not even remotely been an issue.

That it isn't an ICE car, so they need to reprogram their habits a little. Plug-in every night rather than waiting till 1/4 'tank' to 'fill-up'. IF in a cold climate, warn that their range may/will decrease in dead of winter.

Shop for insurance because it sucks $$$$

Also, the option to enable FSD on any drive - especially heavy congestion or long drive situations.

>My spouse hates FSD and regenerative braking. Interesting. Most wives in my town don't want to go back after experiencing FSD.

A few months in, your wife will fight you for it and you'll probably end up getting a second Tesla. Other EVs brands are not the same and substantially dumber in the realm of smart cars.

We are paying so much more for insurance that it completely negates the massive gas savings. That isn't a warning though. My only warning is that once you drive an EV with fsd, you're ruined for all other vehicles. Be warned.

Look up how long rear tires on a corvette lasts. Torque kills tires

:Warning: driving fast is fun but very dangerous.

Insurance is expensive

*Do not* attempt to use a trunk-mount bike rack - the glass will crack and it'll be $2000+ to fix. Get a proper hitch Aside from that though Tesla is the best vehicle on the market.

Car is great, but be prepared for an absolutely terrible service experience.

Regenerative braking that's too abrupt is a bit like slamming on the brakes. It's an easy skill to master and, in truth, easier to drive with one pedal anyway.

Amazing car, until it needs repairs outside of warranty. $5,800 in suspension parts that “wear out due to the weight of the car and bumpy roads”, $4,000 hvac compressor, $2,000 minimum per set of tires which you can burn through quickly, $2,000 fog light housing replacement (have to replace bumper) .. in 2.5 years of ownership. but it’s also a 2021 model y LR now with 144,000km. Brakes last forever, just need to do the maintenance, insanely cost efficient to drive, super fast and hugs the road. I’ve had a very mixed experience.

1,000% this. I have two friends that hate it. It’s because they don’t have home chargers.

I would definitely recommend the smallest wheels you can get. Also skip all-wheel drive unless you know you need it. You probably don’t if they plow your roads, and it won’t help you stop faster on ice or snow.

The cars are great. Love my Y. But here are two things. First, maybe you don't want to fund fascism. Musk has done some super dodgy stuff in the US government that is neither legal nor ethical. If you care about democracy, maybe stop giving him money. Second, Tesla has lost a lot of ground to competitors. There are just a ton of great electric cars out there, and better ones all the time. Since most have access to the Supercharger network, there's not really an advantage to getting a Tesla. The Rivian R2 which will be available soon is light years ahead if you want any kind of off-road performance. The Ionic 5 is great (the Nismo super sporty). The Mach E is great. The Toyota BZ/Subaru Solterra look good. Volkswagons are great. The Macan EV is fantastic if you want to spend too much money... I plan to drive my Y a few more years and then get an R2. I don't know if you follow car reviewers, but Doug Demuro reviewed it and said it is the best EV he's ever driven. Another thing I'd call out is Tesla's failure over many years to make their automatic windshield wipers work right. My 2014 Mazda has much better automatic wipers than my Y.

Low profile wheels…..we cannot emphasize enough that 5’ away from any curb is the MINIMUM.

Charging. If you can't charge at home probably not worth it.

The negative camber of the rear wheels wears out tires quickly. 50,000 miles is typical. The negative camber makes handling in turns better however so there is a reason for it.

To really consider getting one if they live and plan to live in an apt with no convenient charging closeby. Take in factors like yearly mileage, time spent at superchargers & such. It becomes a bigger chore than having to go to gas stations IMO. Also really calculate the usage of the car if all you can get is LV1 charger, which I would consider it viable only if a household has 2 cars and work hybrid.

Higher depreciation (if bought new)

Auto-wipers that dry wipe every day, bad/extremely large turning radius, basic looking interior, no instrument cluster.

‘22 or newer. Must be able to charge at home. No salvage titles unless you’re willing to deal with no warranty. If used also get with some battery/motor warranty <100k miles base <120k miles LR+. Be prepared to change tires a bit more frequently if you’ve never owned a performance car(all models).

Be prepared for middling interior quality & rattles. Otherwise they are amazing cars.

My right front tire developed a slow leak. I took it to 3 tire shops to plug the leak but all referred me back to Tesla. Went to the app and I was advised to make an appt for tire rotation (65.00) which I did. The appointment was 2 weeks out. A couple of days later, the estimate was revised to 600.00 for “preventative maintenance.” So I just cancelled. I am still having to add air every 4 days or so.

Same.

Service experience sucks

Overall range in comparison to gas, especially on the highway.

Do you have charging at home? At least at work? No? I would do a deep analysis if it's really worth it to you on how much time you'll spend having to charge/find a charge.

Front and depreciation is especially rough even though mikes don’t mean as much on EVs in terms of longevity. On the other hand this makes buying used a very good value proposition.

The suspension on our ‘22 M3 is horrible, it’s so stiff & rough. On the other hand, our juniper Y is like riding on a cloud, the best ride from any car I’ve ever owned!

I have to agree with this, unless you can charge at home or work, I would second guess buying an EV.

If it gets freezing cold where you live, expect mileage reduction. Home charging: Solar is a huge plus if your electric rate is high (looking at you SCE and PG&E) That said, be mindful of your electric rates, get on an EV plan if it makes sense for you. Some states charge excessive addition EV registration taxes Higher than average tire wear (cars are heavier and have alot of torque) Be prepared to get spoiled. It grows on you fast and makes it less pleasurable to drive other cars. As others have said: Less luxurious interior Insurance is high Best to have charge at home solution.

Insurance. If buy another Tesla if the cost to insure it in NJ wasn't so absurdly high.

I’m in NYC and we have pretty expensive electricity. The Tesla app says it’s costing about 140 bucks monthly to charge the car. Is that number accurate in your opinion or is the Tesla app under reporting?

Buy a used one with HW4

Hard to say. Depends on your normal mileage and driving style. But total cost of ownership is usually cheaper than a gas car per mile. If you floor it every light in a gas to electric, you using up resources faster. Teslas just seem to make gravity centralize on that right for some strange reason. What’s really nice is when gas prices skyrocket like they are right, you tend to not notice. lol. Then people look at you with that scorn when they talk about rising gas prices and you go “oh they did? I didn’t notice”

Getting maintenence done on them can be painful. My car is currently inoperable. My options are either tow it 1.5 hours to the nearest service center, or wait for the next available mobile service tech to come troubleshoot it in 2 weeks, which may still result in a tow.

You will never be able to go back to another brand. I freaking love my Y, can’t imagine driving without FSD.

Don’t trust the range

Ruins all other cars.

Don’t get the car for resale value also don’t look up its value after any milage you put on it..

This is an interesting perspective. I’m also looking to switch from German luxury (we’ve had Audi, BMW, and Porsche) to Tesla. I find the Model Y to feel a little like sitting in a metal box. Not sure I can get past that when I’m driving up to 100 miles a day and comfort (and safety) are my top priorities.  But I want to be convinced otherwise, because I love the price point of a used Y in relation to the features. (Convince me please!)

You know a bit much about most wives in your town. Why's that

This is the sole reason why I just splurged on an X

Labeling it as 'fascism' is a subjective interpretation that speaks more to your personal framework than the facts at hand. And Elon got involved into politics to, at least, try to help.

I've had my model S with free supercharging and in the 110k miles I've spent less than $10 - which were mostly on idle fees. I dont think my battery is horribly degraded either

In the interest of taking personal responsibility, I'm not whining too loudly, but the M3P ships with SUMMER tires. Spec'ed only down to 40F. Again, I blame myself for not paying attention, but I'm surprised that Tesla delivered the car when it was 20F (and had been for a few weeks) without once asking if I'd like to consider something different. It was a lost upsell opportunity if nothing else. It was completely unsafe to drive off the lot at that temperature, not to mention the tires could have destroyed themselves (cracking at low temp). However, I hope this post is seen, because there is a lot of blaming the suspension in Reddit-sphere. However, while I could have put all-seasons on the stock 20" rims, I decided to go with true winter tires (Blizzaks). No selection of 20" winter tires. So I got new wheels too. As a result, the 19" (T Sportline TSF) wheels with Blizzak tires are soooo much comfortable on city potholed roads!! Expensive, but I got M3P in the interest of zero compromises, so now I have perfect wheel+tires for winter and a different perfect set for summer, versus an all-season compromise. So if you THINK you hate your Tesla suspension, maybe think about getting new wheels. I only went down to 19" and felt a huge difference but many would go to 18".

Even if you can only do regular 120v charging at home and not the full 240v charging at first still take the slow charge. Every little bit adds up. Sure you might only get an extra 30 miles (assuming 3 miles an hr charging 10 hrs over night), but that’s still 210 miles a week charging at home. Take what you can get!

The CEO is very politically active and you are contributing to whatever he is. And its a big ticket item, not a box of crackers.

This. I now have 2 Tesla and cannot imagine going back to an ICE car.

I have a base model 3 and is about to hit 40k on the original set of tires. I think I can realistically go to 45k. I think other cars are about the same.

What tread depths are you at

If you get the slowest one, you’re only gonna wanna upgrade.

About 3/32. It’s low but I think I can squeeze another 5k.

Ride quality for sure It's like rollerblading. Smooth roads are a treat. Rough roads you feel every bump to the core of your rectum

Don’t test drive it because you’ll buy one in exactly 6hrs. Never fails.

This is so true. Insurance for these things are nuts if you have a bad record or are young.

I have not once taken my Tesla to Supercharger. 😜 Charging at home for the win! But it's good to once in a while charge at supercharging station. Summer is around the corner, so supercharging would be but obvious as long drives.

The insurance is crazy expensive, only reason I didn’t get a second one.

Many Tesla mechanical components such as the suspension arms are made of aluminum to reduce weight instead of stainless steel (which has much higher ultimate tensile strength so higher stress limit) so it can break quite easily. I broke the lower arm of my model x when it went through a pot hole in Boston and cost me 4000$ to fix since they have to change the suspension arms on both sides. Now I have the Cybertruck it's rear control arms are made of steel.

Biggest warning? Here's my take: If you are a techy-kinda guy...DO NOT buy Tesla but LEASE them instead. If you are a person that must have the newest tech feature for every cycle then just LEASE. I've seen so many people fall for that 0% promos and a year later trade it for the newest Tesla. Not financially smart. Either you are well off or a 'dum dum' easily suckered by Tesla influencers. Again, do not buy if the main draw to Tesla is the 'tech features'. But, of course you 'buy' if you want to keep the car for 5 years or more.

Don’t let these people who said “no home charging, tesla sucks” get into you. I’ve been having 2022 model 3 for 4 years purely supercharging as I don’t own a home. NYC area with “overcrowded” population as they say and I never have trouble getting charged. The car is great and Im actually upgrading to a model S and would purely supercharge.

I have a ‘25. Genuinely love it. However, there are minor annoyances. Most recently, my drivers side seat has become very squeaky when I enter or adjust myself. Additionally, it’s developed rattles. I have a persistent rattle in the passenger door that’s not terrible but nagging. I also have a rattle in my drivers side b-pillar that also comes and goes. I also have a rattle in the steering wheel that is extremely intermittent. There is also a ticking sound that has developed in my main air vent on the passenger side that is intermittent. Lastly, I swear there is a sound that comes from my drivers side wheel well when I go over speed bumps as low speed. Almost sounds control arm related. Again. I love the car. And I had a 2021 for months (work car) before buying a 2025 so I truly could appreciate the improvements that Tesla made in the refresh. It was like they addressed all the things I would have complained about in that car. I think the interior plastics are much nicer. I like the alcantara on the doors. The seats are so much better. The road noise is massively improved (quieter, nice door thunk). FSD with the Ryzen is fantastic. The screen is so much better, as are the cameras. Overall, I would recommend it to someone who doesn’t need luxury interior. It’s luxury enough for me as I do consider it an appliance car. But it doesn’t leave me wanting more as I personally enjoy the very simple interior. When I hop drive a buddies x5 m I just feel like it’s all overwhelming. Just give me a wheel and the speed. It’s not like I’m constantly admiring an interior, I’m trying to drive. Finally, all the problem items with my 2025 I mentioned, can be rectified either by YouTube videos, or the service center. I’ve just been too lazy to bother yet lol.

Idk I don't have a home charger, and I still like my car.

Be ready for rattles and creaks. Awesome tech cars but they’re terrible with fit and finishes.

I am genuinely heartbroken I can't get my blue S Plaid 😭 Her name is Sploosh and I will be forever haunted.

I live in the northeastern US, and dont have a home charger. The supercharging network is much better than people think. Ive had my car since 2020, and have only lined up at a charger and had to wait like 5 times. Charging between midnight and 4 am is amazing, and cheaper, but even so...

Do you also have a model 3? Cause you described my experience to a T. Though I’ve heard ppl on here saying the refreshed model Y juniper has fixed this issue.

Check with your insurance company for rates first, before you buy it. I didn’t check until after, and it was a shock- double than my ICE car.

Don’t buy if you don’t have an ability to reliably charge at home/apt

Annual Registration fee if they’re in CA

In between houses I had to drive 15 mins and charge for 45 mins three times a week. It annoyed me.

That's what happened to my sister and her husband.

Nothing

Zero. I have zero warnings

Really? That would imply they are flawless cars and I think they are definitely not flawless lol. Although I do love mine and would recommend it to anyone who has home charging

If you live in an area where electricity isn’t cheap and or where it’s extremely cold, I wouldn’t recommend it. If suspension is a concern and you want a smoother ride, I’d recommend the Ioniq 5. However, wait for their software upgrades for 2027, since they’re trying to be more like Tesla.

I have a Y but not juniper. I hear they are better but def not "fixed" by any means

Interesting. I’ve never driven one so I’d like to find out for myself. But yeah the suspension on the model 3 is — as you can probably imagine — absolutely terrible. It unironically reminds me of horseback riding lmao. You can feel every little bump on the road. And it’s really bad for me because I’m in NYC and our road quality is terrible these days. I’ve had to replace all 6 control arms within 5k miles of buying it.

I drive like a grandma.

Tesla hate is real You may get random scratches or spit Your family may think less of you We own two Teslas and wouldn't give them up F the haters

For the don’t get one if you don’t charge at home people. I get it. But I think lifestyle factors have to do a lot with being able to manage without one. For example I’m not married no kids… I live in a two bedroom apartment. And I drive 8-10k a year. It’s very easy for me to supercharger once twice a week. My job also has a supercharger near. I can also easily charge off peak hours and not think twice. I was able to navigate the very cold winter in the northeast easily. As it’s warming up I find myself not having to charge as much. Is it slightly annoying? Yes. Would I like a home charger eventually. Absolutely. Does it require Some extra planning ahead. Yes it certainly does. I’m saying it’s not always a deal breaker…. It just depends on your lifestyle.

... or free charging at work.

I warned people not to wait. Prices went up. Credits went away.

The 2025 Model 3 LR RWD on 18" wheels is a nice ride. Zero complaints on the suspension.

Don’t buy 2, buy one and pair with another hybrid In case of the apocalypse

Home charging is a very important factor. I would still own one without home charging, but it would make things more expensive and less convenient. Convenience and low cost of home charging is one of the biggest benefits of an EV

Do not buy if you cannot charge at home. Tesla passively drains battery, especially with sentry on.

The lack of a spare tire. That genuinely surprised me. I’m told that a lot of newer cars don’t have them but the thought of being stranded for hours waiting on a tow truck compelled me to get a spare and jack kit.

Two reasons: If you can’t charge at home, I wouldn’t get one. It’s so convenient to always wake up to a full charge. You can make it work using public chargers, but you’re really missing out on a huge convenience factor. If you drive long distances like, every day, don’t get one. For example if you’re a sales rep who is driving 300 miles a day to visit clients. Again, you can make it work, and the charging infrastructure is growing quickly, but it’s still not to the point where there’s a charger every other mile like gas stations. You could end up stranded just because your plans changed and you just weren’t close enough to a charger. Otherwise, they work for pretty much every use case, often they work even better than a gas car.

You’ll go through more windshield washer fluid, should something breakdown repairs can take time due to limited service centers and supply chain issues, windshield replacement costs lot more - but having said that it’s a pleasure to drive, the tech and user experience is beyond anything else

As some one who came from older Toyotas and Hyundais, I quite like the look/feel of the Tesla interior. Quite an upgrade for me. So depends on where you’re coming from. I also love minimalism.

That depends on infrastructure I have two EV's and no home charger One Tesla Y and a Jag I-Pace I can charge nearby home and work But I live in Iceland... Plenty chargers everywhere

Elon’s an a-hole.

everyone in traffic jam in other cars all look miserable as fu**.. and me and my wife are just singing and laughing 🤣… thx fsd

gotta drive 9 min to the charger but i don’t care cause theres a grocery store there and a pet store, i get shopping done and go say hello to the kitties up for adoption

The auto wiper function is shit

I also had to replace all 6 control arms due to creaking noise when driving over speed bumps. Luckily Tesla fixed it for free under warranty. They replaced all 6

I also have a 2025 and I’m starting to notice the rattling. It drives me crazy because there’s no engine noise to muffle it out

If you don't live close to a Tesla Service Center (like, in your same metro area) then I would reconsider.

Just curious what your battery health is at

It randomly wipes on a dry sunny day and doesn’t wipe when it’s pouring rain. Don’t know why they didn’t just use rain sensors like every other car

This makes me feel better about splurging on the performance lol.

Service center experience is mostly hell depending on where you have to take your car.

I’ve had Toyota, Vauxhall and Honda cars with automatic wipers and they are all shit.

I find that having the seats and steering wheel automatically warming up - just enough and not too long - feels like an ultimate luxury.

The company is a pain in the ass and the customer service still sucks.

I don't understand? Tesla interior does feel very premium. Especially with the actual wood in it.

I was thinking about the opposite: I have (and enjoy) a MYLR 2025 and while it's fast and powerful, you don't want to push to the limits on small curvy roads. The big tyres, the weight, the height of the car sometimes make me regret I did not take the Performance one.

Didn't realize how crappy the velvet is on the Model Y Juniper lining until I scratched up against it and it left so many microfibers on me. This is Temu levels of cheap velvet. Especially on the compartment right below the console. I stashed some winter gloves there and they're all riddled with faux velvet specks. Edit: someone corrected me, I think they're right that it's suede, but yeah poor quality fabric

Except PA and NJ. Anywhere you can find a Wawa, there is a supercharger. All hail Wawa.

I have a 2022 3p and 2024 Y awd. Down sides I can think of. On 3p low profile tire are nail and screw magnets. Had many flats/leaks. (Granted thats any car with those type tires) Some fixable some not. Both rattles. The cars are so quiet you will hear every rattle. Either from car or from random empty water bottle ya tossed in backseat. Charging is a blessing and small curse. If you cant charge at home I wouldnt recommend them. 240v is ideal at home but even 120v can work for sum. But if you are in apt complex I wouldnt recommend it at all unless ya had garage and they allow charging in garage. Most of these are not just tied to tesla. Any EV would have same issues.

Unless you’re in the UK ☹️ I’ve been waiting so long for FSD. I’d buy it the microsecond it releases here…

You bought a performance car, a sports car, and you are complaining that the suspension is rough? I really don't understand what you were expecting... If you wanted comfort why did you buy the performance?

Not on the S though.

Don't get the tan or light seats if you drive alot.

I haven't driven Tesla enough for battery degradation. I'll probably need to be at 100k kms to be able to give you a better answer. I took delivery 2 months ago.

From what I’ve read battery degradation can happen sooner than you think. I’m reading posts on here with people who barely had the car 6 months and they are at 85% already. I think it’s luck of the draw really. Some batteries are just better out the factory than others.

i cant charge at home...and driving only for 16 miles on the freeway will costs me 10% battery life...every 3 days im spending about 8 to 12$ to charge. "330 miles epa model y" is not completely true and charging without any discounts, its just not worth it financially. plus removing free charging stations in socal is a huge minus. so i dont recommend teslas to those who dont really make enough money and who literally rent an apartment in soCal. besides that, this car is fantastic...i also wish there was a way to turn on rear fans in the back instead of using "dog" mode. i drove a hybrid vehicle for communiting since i work multiple jobs, and hybrids are top tier commuter cars. the problem, is that its not so subtle to take naps in a hybrid and you have the AC running.

Why not?

Worst service of any vehicle I’ve owned.

Replace the wheels with 18”.

330 miles of range is best case scenario fresh out the dealership with 0 miles lol. And more importantly they forget to tell you that you will rarely ever charge to 100% battery. Your de facto range is basically whatever your vehicle’s battery can store at 80% charge since that’s the maximum daily charge level that Tesla recommends you charge to. Otherwise you risk degrading the battery faster. So if a EV claims to have 330 miles of range, always remember that that’s at 100% charge. Your actual daily range will be 80% of that which is ~260. And that’s BEST CASE scenario with perfect weather, tires, driving, and zero degradation on the battery. In reality, out of that 260 you will probably only get 240. So basically we went from a claimed range of 330 to an effective daily range of 240, almost 100 miles less. And that’s what I would want people to know before making any EV purchase. Always treat 80% as the ceiling because in practice that’s what you’ll have most of the time. It’s not like a gas car that you can just fill up the tank completely each day.

I’m inclined to agree. But can you elaborate on what you didn’t like about the service? For me it was the fact that I had to literally prove to the mechanic my issue. They don’t take your word for it. You have to go on a test drive with the mechanic and try to replicate the issue, and only then will they service your car. I just found that process very weird. Why would I lie about an issue I’m having if I’m willing to pay money to get it fixed? I understand if someone’s trying to claim lemon law but for standard issues I just don’t get it

Not even sure where to start. Probably the most obvious is the lack of communication. Poor repairs that require mutilpe repeat attempts. Staff that either lie or don't know what they are saying.

Bugs. Everyone talks up the software but I find it frequently buggy after updates, and simple things like rain detection or even GPS work less reliably than other brands, even with the plethora of features provided which are neat. I'm sure a bunch of downvotes will come from folks who say they have no problems but this is just, like, my experience man. On the other hand I've always had great experiences with service centers.

If you have one full service, make sure it is the one before the warranty runs out. That's it.

yeah 100% agree with you. i never knew about the range really. at first i had a hybrid and the range was fantastic... finally switched to a tesla for the comfort, tech, and security. i work as a nurse fulltime, also working parttime and per diem. im constantly working, 6 days 12 hr hospital shifts at times. Im driving to multiple places. most ive ever done in a row was 23 shifts back to back. imo the tesla is a superior camper vehicle...it has sentry mode and temperature regulation...i can just nap for 5 or 6 hrs and im good to go. the driving and comfort for me was better than any vehicle ive owned. its a simple vehicle and exteriors looks sleak. it just sucks that i have to charge at work (county ev chargers), find an evgo charger, or just supercharge somewhere. im always worried about the range and battery drain even though there are so many ev chargers around me.

Don’t testdrive a Tesla unless you want to own a Tesla

Well god bless man because you must be making some serious fucking money as a nurse in cali that also works that many hours a week. I guess good news for you is you can probably save up and buy a house and get a home charger one day within a few years at this rate.

Yeah I definitely think the suspension is stiffer than I expected on my 2026 model 3. Also having to look at the speed to the side is very distracting compared to a HUD.

Surprised they haven’t softened the suspension on the 2026 model. Also you will get used to just being able to tell your speed from your peripheral vision. I found it weird at first and now I actually prefer the speedometer placement over the traditional gauge cluster HUDs are cool but I can live without one tbh

I had a hire Mercedes EQE for a week and it was like driving on a cloud compared to the Tesla 🥲 it didn’t feel as fast on higher speeds because it felt so smooth, whereas I can feel the Tesla is on a high speed (if that makes sense)

I’ll take the ride quality of my old Ford Fusion, let alone a Mercedes Benz 😂

Or work

If you compare the S to other cars in its price range, it lacks the same level of luxury. In addition, it will shortly no longer be an a new car option.

No, it really doesn't.

I'll give you that.

To be fair, my new Tesla is still a better ride than my ICE Nissan Qashqai 😂

Insurance will be surprisingly high and depreciation happens very quickly but seems to taper off. Originally the biggest selling point was just being electric for me (work had free charging) but I realized that FSD is really a game changer. If you can, get a used HW4 model. Also it’s not as easy to DIY on these cars even the cabin air filter is a bit of a pain (though Tesla is good with diagrams online and there are plenty of YouTube how-tos). Overall I view the car as a commuting appliance and it does an amazing job at that, plus it’s actually crazy fast in a straight line especially with acceleration boost

I have tried to see the speed using peripheral vision and couldn’t 😂 It’s not a big deal as there are plenty of aftermarket central front displays if someone really wants it. The suspension is one thing that can’t be changed though!

Hate to tell you, but you’ll be screwed in an apocalypse either way LOL. Best bet would be to move to a warmer climate if not already and get solar panels for your house.

I’m guessing you’re on the West coast * holds index fingers to temples * Seattle or Portland? Never have I ever experienced “Tesla hate”.

One of the first valid complaints I’ve seen in this thread. Paint is thin.

I hear this a lot but my insurance is $115 a month. Not much more than what I was paying to insure a ford explorer. Full coverage.

This also is heavily dependent on your location. Large cities have many charging options compared to small towns / rural. If rural, definitely need home charging elsewhere it would be a giant pain to drive 20+ miles just to charge.

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I'd look at the new Rivian R2. Seems like its better than the model Y in some areas.

That's what they want you to think lol Elon needs tons of FSD subscriptions to get his tiny pay package

You buy a Performance model, and complain about the performance oriented suspension?? Soft and cushy suspension destroys precise handling... it's by design that it's not cushy.

Velvet? Surely that's not a term Tesla uses... do you mean the pseudo-suede?

That you'll enjoy the way it drives so much that traditional cars will feel worse.

If you come from luxury vehicles like Porsche or Mercedes, it’s basically only worth it to get a Tesla for the Self driving. Because if you feel around the interior/ exterior, you will realize it’s all very cheap plastic.

Thank you for asking this. I was literally thinking of typing the same question

You will never want to drive another brand

Haven’t experienced this

Can someone share how much you actually saved in comparison to a gas vehicle. I am based in Canada precisely. And yes i have always owned, Toyota, Honda and Mazda.

That you won’t be able to stomach other cars again. And you will accidentally leave the engine running and the doors unlocked on other cars you drive.

Performance cars have tight, firm suspensions by design. They are specially tuned that way. That’s what the P means. Buying a performance car and complaining about a performance suspension is nonsensical.

if you hsve a real winter, the front of the car gets iced up and with no engine heat it can be difficult to clear the ice off the headlights and hood as the melted windshield slush refreezes there. The wheel wells and door handles seem to get iced up more as well. Otherwise fantastic winter cars.

Service sucks, support sucks. If you are not a social media Tesla influencer, service and support is a coin toss. Super long wait times to get appointments, and issues not being taken care of. Very, very hard to talk to an actual human on the phone who's remotely interested in listening to your problem with the car.

(1) We drove 400 miles. I took the MYP and my husband drove one of our ICE cars. It took me 2 hours longer to get there and I needed to charge 45 minutes after I got there. And, Supercharging was more expensive than gas and I needed to alter my route and plan it out. There are places I can't take the Tesla and we need to take an ICE (WV and TN). I love the MYP, but I wouldn't have it as an only car since we like to travel. (2) It cost 2k to replace the tires after 23k/miles. My Prius tires cost $700 and last 90k miles. (3) Insurance is much more than my other cars.

Biggest waning would be to brace for the unexpected amount of fun you’ll be having :) As someone who’s owned a Ford before, suspension rattles are expected on American cars.

Probably the same reason I can't get my blue S Plaid - because I haven't won the lottery yet.

Yes! Winter weather people know what you mean!

It’s expensive to insure.

Ah yes suede, I guess sorry

It does for sure. I’m just saying for me personally, if I couldn’t charge at home,I wouldn’t own one. If I could charge at work maybe. But there are only two supercharging stations in my area and I wouldn’t want to rely solely on that. It would drive me nuts to have to do that.

None.

I think that wildly depends where it was built.

It's inconvenient to have to go to a gas station too

My only warning “you will not want to go back to using a gas vehicle again”

Funny I live in the northeast (Bergen county) and have never waited to charge my car at a super charger .. Free public chargers are like free public gas stations.. another unicorn..some office parks in Westchester and Nassau do have free charging for employees.

I switches from a R33 GTR to a MK5 3.0 Supra to a Tesla Model 3 Performance 2026. I definitely miss my Supra, the sound, the feeling of driving it. You get much more response from it compared to an EV.

I suspect end of this year. It was just sent for approval to the UN standard which is what a lot of the countries are waiting for.

Texas

Really? Teslas feel more like luxury to me than any other car, ESPECIALLY with the interior

Warning someone about a stiff suspension on a high performance sports car, lmao, this is the funniest car community

I love the suspension in the new 3/Y. It is not rough at all. I also have an s with air suspension and I like my 2026 better. I would say that depreciation is the warning, although more of an S/X issue. But given that 2027 will see HW5, leasing is a good option if you care about FSD.

The new ones are a lot better than the older models with the wood

I would have some reservations about investing in a vehicle made by a company that doesn’t really seem to care about making cars for people anymore.

Mine is $183 for my Juniper. I have very good coverage also. What insurance company is your plan with? Mine is progressive. $350 seems crazy.

I don’t understand why people always talk about the insurance. I’m 28, had 3+ wrecks in my teens, multiple speeding tickets, even been arrested for street racing before, and yet I pay $292 for full coverage for both my 22 plaid S and a 2005 Pontiac gto, I don’t feel like that bad

I would say DO NOT buy one if you don’t live in a house. Not an apartment, a house. Then get a charger at home. Depending on superchargers or the charger at the apartment complex will eventually break your pockets or have you stuck if there is no more room to charge

Get an insurance quote before you buy. Then Level 2 charging at home is the jam.

Switch from miles to percentage , and never switch back you won't notice the high degradation the first couple of years of ownership, and don't bother with a battery test until about 1k miles from battery warranty expiration, or potential sale/trade in it's a waste of time , and an additional worry you can't do anything about.

Level 2 charging at home... Or just don't get one until you can

To be fair, a lot of “luxury” now is just giant screens. Lexus has always had a bit of a diluted interior. Mercedes is basically turning into an IMAX theatre, and BMW is basically an upscale Hyundai from an interior perspective. My wife’s Telluride has the same quality feel as an X3

Had a Tesla for a year and sold it. I found it great in some aspects and terrible in others. Great is home charging, that’s where it ended for me. I experienced higher insurance premiums, cost of repair and parts was very high, no independent EV shops for maintenance, service centers where I live where terrible, tires wear faster than my F150, it indeed needs regular maintenance like any other car and when it does it’s expensive, charging infrastructure is fair at best…my biggest issue was the constant changing in price, features all at the whim of a CEO and profits…it just bothered me. All that said, the driving experience was nice, and when EV infrastructure is equivalent to gas and range is solidly in the 400 plus range for under 40k I’ll look at them again. For now my 2016 F150 that goes 650 miles per tank and needs oil changes a couple times a year and basic maintenance every couple years is just fine.

You will NEVER want another car after.

Go to a local SuperCharger and meet some drivers. Discuss your daily charging situation - do you have a garage or driveway? Do you own or rent home ? How many miles do you drive per day on average ? Per week ?

State farm in SoCal.

I hear it, too, but we're not paying any more either. 2 teslas are about 2500 a year thru progressive in FL.

Exactly... you're just giving up buttons and knobs

It's true! 100% I've been singing so much in my new Y!

Even auto pilot in highway congestion is wonderful

Some people just need more buttons and knobs. Suppose they think they're getting more for their money.

If someone asks me about drawbacks on the Model 3 Performance, I tell them straight: **the car is phenomenal, but Tesla builds them like they’re speedrunning the assembly line.** My “buyer beware” list on my 2026 Ultra Red M3P goes something like this: * **Ride quality:** It’s a Performance model — it’s supposed to be stiff. I actually like it, but if someone expects a Lexus float, they’re going to learn real fast that this car communicates every decision the road has ever made. * **Paint:** Tesla paint is basically a suggestion. Mine’s held up well, but I’ve seen enough horror stories to know I won the paint‑lottery. * **Build quality:** My Crimson Knight came out great — panels lined up, no weird rattles — but let’s be honest, that’s not a guarantee, that’s a coin flip. * **Performance wheels:** Gorgeous, but they treat curbs like they’re made of lava. * **Service:** Sometimes you get Formula 1 pit‑crew energy, sometimes you get “your appointment is in 19 days, please manifest patience.” I still love the car. It’s stupid‑fast, stupid‑fun, and makes everything else I drive feel like it’s powered by disappointment. But yeah — if someone’s expecting German luxury consistency, they’re going to have a spiritual awakening. https://preview.redd.it/r35e47dlyeog1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=662a57c48d5226d98ad5ce5e75a00cab2e4be4a7

It’s luxury car purchase. Economics do not work. But great car and great fsd. When you buy a high end bmw nobody thinks of mileage and so does Tesla should not be judge based on economics

If you lived in an apartment without access to home charging in a cold climate, I don’t think I would recommend one. Not impossible, but it is more difficult.

It's going to last more than 4 hours.

Coming from a japanese car: rear passenger footroom or more to be exact the gap between the pillar and the seat, unless you have small feet you have to do acrobatics to get your feet in and especially out of the car, scuff marks everywhere (i'm a size 45-46 though) Also if you're buying new, there's no more lane keeping

I would say the charging costs + range + battery degradation and this is especially if you can’t charge at home and have to rely on supercharging. My previous tesla was a 2019 model 3 SR+ which started off with a range of around 262mi at 100% charge but quickly dropped down about 210mi at 100% charge after a year. At the time I lived in an apartment and supercharging was the main way I charge my car although I did get free charging at work, it was slow. I had a 50kw battery and I would say on average it cost .35¢/kw in my area. That’s $17.50 to charge from 0-100%. So what I’m trying to say is that the cost of supercharging is damn near the same as filling up a Honda Civic. Typically we don’t go below 20% charge or charge above 80% so that leaves me with a range of about 130 miles which cost $14 of supercharging. A honda civc has a range of around 400-450 miles. So to get that same range on my Model 3 SR+ that’s 3.5x of supercharging, 3.5 x $14 = $49. Pretty comparable to a honda civic. I have a home now and a 2026 MY LR and the cost to charge at home is .17¢/Kw which is much better

Really don’t get this. My insurance isn’t expensive at all. And I have good coverage.

If you drive one, you’ll buy one.

I’ve never understood the tire argument, I have Michelin cross climate 2 tires that were 1.2k total and they have lasted well over 20k miles and the tread is still at 8/32nds at worst, that’s with VERY spirited driving, “drifts” hard cornering and hard acceleration all the time, constant 100mph+. So the tire argument doesn’t hold up for me unless your talking about the oem hankook ventus s1 all seasons those did only last 13k miles before they were at 4/32nds. But those were/are shit tires to begin with.

Haha .. mine is the suspension on my AWD drive LR is that the suspension is not hard enough. Way too floaty .. Wanna swap?

I pay less than my wife for insurance. She drives an ‘15 QX60. She has a perfect driving record. I don’t!

I'm in MA and thinking of pulling the trigger, but the cold weather effect on battery gives me pause. I guess we stay around freezing for 3 months, with 2-3 weeks where it's WAY below freezing, on average. But on the flip side, I don't do long day trips in that kind of weather anyway.

Depending on your torso length and seating position - upright vs reclined, you may find the non-adjustable headrest (yeah, yeah, head restraints) angled too far forward.

Not on Junipers, interior is quite nice.

Ride comfort is bumpier/stiffer on performance

The car depreciates fast

Nice, not luxury IMO.

i think you need to shop around. i pay $130/mo in CA for top tier plan with Geico.

Same. But from what I’ve gathered they can be taken care of in about 2 hours of work with some basic tools and weather stripping as it’s from wiring harnesses that are not well secured. The steering wheel is a known issue and service will take care of it. But as always you have to be able to replicate it for them. Mines intermittent and they have given me a “fast pass” to bring it by when it kicks up again

You won't want any other car if it doesn't drive itself like tesla does.

Elon Musk is acting like cars don't matter anymore. So support might be sketchy in the coming years.

Don't know ow if it's a HW3 thing, but the autosteer and the cruice control gets worse and worse with every update because of "curve assist". Insanely bad sign recognition and old map data will have you driving at fine level speed or waaaay too slow. Auto wipers are shite too. Suspension wise on older models 3 and y, you're gonna feel every single crack, pepple and line on the road. Other than that, I think they're good cars.

Make sure you can charge at home otherwise any gas savings is offset by the costs of Supercharging and your time at them. With home charging you treat it like your cellphone, plug it in every night. You can also set the schedule so that the car is heated or cooled just prior to your departure in the morning.

Our suspension feels fine to me but that’s because I drive a jeep wrangler (model Y belongs to my wife). When you stop to charge at Bucjy’s on road trips, it will get pricey with all of the crap your family buys? Note: this happens with gas stops at bucky’s too The main thing for me is that you really need to be able to charge at home for any EV to really achieve worthwhile savings. Also, driving a tesla just feels different than other EVs I’ve driven. For example, I hate my parents Mercedes EV primarily because it’s battery is terrible compared to the model Y’s.

- Tesla Insurance being a nightmare - Tesla Service Centers being a hit or miss, and if you care about keeping your car scratch free during service visits they’ll fix something (probably) staining and/or scratching other things which are completely fine. And if you go repeatedly for the same issue if they can’t figure it out they’ll throw sometimes a small check at you so you stop bothering them LOL The rest: it’s so amazing I’d never go back (unless a comprehensive Tesla competitor actually shows up, in terms of software, self driving, performance/cost ratio, seamless charging, etc).

Not disagreeing- but lower westchester and long island near the city are hell. Eric Adams gave out TLC licenses to anyone with an EV and the rideshare companies contributed nothing to charging infrastructure.

The wawa’s near nyc are packed, but yes im all for hailing WaWa

I wonder why. I think it's mostly a generation gap. I thought I'd be mad about the almost screen only situation in a tesla until I got one, now I don't want to go back ever.

I pay $95/mo with a $500 deductible

If you don't live in a year round warm climate, road trip frequently and/or can't charge at home get a plug in hybrid.

Yeah, it's just like the phone. There were a lot of people crying about the loss of buttons...I was uncomfortable initially, to be honest, but I couldn't imagine a phone with a keyboard now. The best is the golf cart folks. About 99% swear by electric carts now and praise their lack of maintenance and ease of use, but when I agree and say "exactly, just like electric cars", most flip and get offended saying how different it is. Nuts. I own 2 ev's and an electric golf cart and love them all!

I just did 400 miles round trip and never does it leave me with an empty battery each charging plan. You can set how much battery you want left at each charge which is usually 10%. For me yes I can’t drive 7 hours straight through anymore however with FSD…I’m not even driving. So it’s worth the extra hour for the restroom breaks that I usually would take anyways every two to 2.5 hours.

Don't buy out of warranty. Everyone talks about how great Teslas are but rarely do you see ppl talk about pain in the butt they can be with back and forth repairs. If it wasn't for Tesla warranty, there would be so much more negativity around these cars.

I'm tired of Big Brother watching my eyes and trying to sense if there's enough hand pressure on the steering wheel to allow me to continue using auto steer. Frankly, it's a show-stopper for me and I will never own another Tesla again.

Rotate tires and you may have to buy mew tires more often because it’s too fun to drive slowly.

Yeah anyone with a car living in NYC needs mental help 😂... In lower Westchester i go to the SC at the sheraton in Tarrytown never a wait and a Starbucks in the hotel lobby.

yup

keep it up

Not a single thing

I sort of agree with this. I have charging at home and free charging at work. I use both. However, there are some people at work who don’t have charging at home but they have the free charging at work. The policy at work says that they’re allowed to be plugged in for four hours and they are supposed to be unplugged after that and park into a normal spot. However, many of them just plug in their car and stay there all day during their shift because 1…they want to park closer and 2… they only charge at work so they try to get their car to a full state of charge. So now there are not chargers available for everybody who drives EV at work. The company is supposed to be auditing the blink cards of those using the free charging, but I don’t think they actually doing it.

Be ready for your car to creak like an old pirate ship within 10k miles. Fit and finish quality is pretty poor and after putting some miles on the car the rattles will be many and loud.

Phantom braking Phantom steering Poor quality plastics that scratch easy Boot mech that breaks if you accidentally catch your jacket in it. Annoying alerts when it incorrectly thinks you arnt paying attention to the road (scratching my ear) Fake leather that marks easy, my rear seatbelts have made marks on the material and I think I’ve only had people in them maybe 20 times. Paint seems to chip/scratch easier than all the other cars I’ve had ever. If you don’t have YouTube premium in the uk you get Dutch adverts. Yes you can change it but it needs done frequently. Not as fun to drive and my previous cars Queues at supercharger networks on main west coast route in uk. Teabay especially Pros: Fast Cheap to run Heated seats and steering wheel Charging experience has been the best for all the electric cars I’ve tried, just works Supercharger network Netflix/youtube while charging. Panoramic roof Novelty: Lights that can spell Tesla/lightshow Horn as a speaker so you can have music at barbeques

Model X is nice but the doors are a gimmick

You wont be enjoying another ice car ever again

I have never been 100 mph in a car and drive pretty sedate. The tires are the Michelin all seasons that come on the model Y performance (not the summer Pirelli tires)

Service is just about the worst for any car I have owned. Cept for the stuff they can do Mobile. That is nice.

Agree. I’m happy with the interior because the driving experience is so great. My biggest complaint is the suspension: that’s what I miss about “nicer” cars. The smooth ride.

If you can’t charge at home or work, the gas savings will not be very substantial.

Performance = stiff suspension. But in answer to your question, and it’s really a small thing, I’d say be prepared to add some accessories. For example, the stock middle console storage is totally impractical. Fortunately there are plenty of aftermarket storage options. Another thing is the trunk fabric and the rear trunk storage lid on the Y are cheap feeling, as is the rear trunk cover. A roll-up cover would’ve been more practical, imo. Again, there are plenty of aftermarket options. Lastly, it’s obvious in retrospect, but the glass roof makes for a hot interior when parked in the sun. These are little things and a positive spin on it is that all these issues can be remedied in the aftermarket, where you can personalize your car.

Don’t buy if you clock a lot of miles per day and don’t have at-home charging. Dont buy if you want to get the ultra-smooth less-noise, less-vibrations. Also, Factor-in the high insurance cost.

The insurance cost is out of *control.* I'm simple about what I want out of a car, and others might have more to say about the interior, etc. But personally, I have very little issue with my Tesla in terms of day to day driving. But my god, the insurance in NY state feels like it is double what it should be

Love my Model S…but 3 years in and I’ve had 5 flat tires.

Love my FSD!

You bought the performance for the stiff suspension. It's sport tuned vehicle, which includes stiffer suspension. One way Tesla could resolve that though is a good air suspension but that would make the model 3 cost a good amount more.

Biggest topic is, you may not want to drive with any other car unless they have fsd. So far fsd is the cheapest reliable uber driver

What “luxury” are you giving up? I’m asking because I don’t even notice it and want to understand this perspective.

This has happened to me

He got into politics to try to help? You believe that? Can you point to a single thing he did to help? I mean, he very publicly said he would fund primaries against any Republican who went against Trump policies. Exerting that kind of force against democracy is the definition of fascism. Not to mention he gutted vital agencies that were set up and funded through democratic processes, based on executive orders that are not constitutionally legal. They didn't improve efficiency or budget issues, and clearly cutting $2 trillion as stated was never really the plan (I mean, it was obviously a lie given the stated number).

Eh, you get used to the ride. My wife’s Lexus feels mushy now.

The Model 3 interior rattles like it was made by Hyundai, and get ready for the maintenance because your heating and cooling system will go out before the car hit 26,000 miles…

A few things 1. If you don’t live near a Tesla service center this can be very painful if your car breaks down. I currently have to drive an hour and 45 minutes to get to the closest one. If I have to tow it, it’s gonna be an expensive bill. 2.the battery range is not as stated. Essentially for every one percent battery you will only get about 2 miles. This is in the Midwest. 3. Repair cost can be very expensive. Luckily my car is under warranty and I will definitely buy the extended warranty, but I’ve heard horror stories that repairs will cost at least 1000+ 4. Streamline and neo futuristic service center but there’s really not a lot of person to person communication so if you like that, don’t even think about it. I brought my vehicle in and essentially nobody would talk to me. You just let it get checked in and they go take it to repair it. 5. There’s a lot of controversy as to what things need to be monitored outside of the normal service. One example is checking your battery coolant. It’s not anything written anywhere however there’s been a lot of stories telling you how something disastrous will happen. If the levels get too low in by the time it alarms it may be too late. 6. The interior definitely is not reflective of the price point. There is a lot to be desired with paying this much money for the car, although it has gone down in price compared to when it first came out. With that being said, it has the best super supervised driving on the market and that’s why I have it

Most corporate tire shops wont repair the tire due to the foam interior. We use a local mom/pop auto mechanic and he’s patched ours a couple times for under $40.

Paint quality and depreciation.

I would say don’t buy one unless you are able to charge at your residence

Autopilot hardware A4 is in nuts though and makes up for the above.

50,000 miles? I do not use the power, but 25k is about the best I can get.

Insurance can be expensive. And I would only suggest buying if you can home charge.

1. Autopilot Jail ([https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1j2pgd3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1j2pgd3/autopilot_jail/)) 2. Random $2600 repair for computer failure (https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/search/?q=replace+computer) 3. Glitchy-ness — the flip side of "they fix things with a software update"

Get ready to get ass raped with insurance….

Uncertainty about their ‘drivable’ car future. They seem to be going all in on unsupervised FSD which is great, but they are doing so at the expense of not making cars that can be driven by a driver in the traditional sense. I love having the option.

Once you buy it, there’s no going back! It’s an awesome car.

I find that going back to manual driving is a PITA now. I used to love driving our F-450 truck but now it seems like a chore.

Elon doesn't care about the mission, and neither does the board. So the longevity of the platforms that support the excellent user experience are tenuous. Buy at your own risk. That is what I tell people. Also the suspension is mediocre, and the fix is hella expensive. Caveat Emptor.

All that + telling me that FSD doesn't actually exist or that numerous other cars have the same capability or better. Did I just hallucinate that my car drove me from my house to the parking lot at my work all by itself and has been doing that for well over a year at this point?

Buy directly from Tesla

Service sucks.

I would agree with OP's comment about suspension, but since I have an older 2018 M3, it is hard to me to comment as I am sure they have gotten better Has it? Is the MY more comfortable?

The Model S refresh with the adaptive suspension is pretty nice.

Charging 100%. I love my Tesla but I will be the first to admit that it is NOT a roadtrip car. 3-4 hour drives aren’t bad, but when you start getting further than that it really extends your drive time even with a LR

In my case, some friends will tell you “they say this car explodes” 😂

I convinced my job to let me use the outlets for the block heaters while on my 8hr shift and even though it's only about 20% a shift that I get, it's enough to cover my work drive.

your car sounds shady.. just taking you places not asking for directions or anything… i wouldn’t trust that. thats why im sticking with my old trusty gas guzzling F-150 lol /s

My brand new Cybertruck insurance costs 5% less than my 2016 Suburban. All coverage is the same except the suburban does not have comprehensive.

When your car says you have, let’s say, 190 mile range, you do NOT have a 190 mile range…. Knock some miles off of that

dont listen to the haters

Same, no home charger but there is a supercharger next to my work and home and thousands of other third party chargers all over the city and all over China.

My biggest complaint is with the ease that the battery cooling reservoir and undercarriage can be damaged by driving over a small amount of debris. My son's 2 month old Model 3 required a complete battery swap ($18,500) after he either hit a pothole or drove over some road debris. He thought that he had possible went over a bump in the road. He was driving in FDS and neither he nor the Tesla saw the debris/pothole. I've seen this issue mentioned a few times in this group. I'm wondering how common this is. I think the car is amazing but can't believe Tesla can't figure a way to protect the undercarriage. Other than this issue, the car is great.

A Tesla is a high tech car. Not necessarily a luxury car.

Battery issues, be kind to your battery and how you charge it. Or it will stop working one day after the warranty has expired and Tesla rep will say oh yeah you should just buy a new car

Depreciation is crazy, be careful buying new, all the savings of gas vs electric charging are nothing compared to the depreciation. Have an exit plan, if you plan on keeping the car for 5+ years you may be ok. Leasing may be a good idea...at least until the technology is more mainstream and improvements aren't as fast, then depreciation will probably level out to a more normal level. Another big one is tires, you'd be going through tires probably twice as fast as other cars.

With the current state of country and politics. Its the "how dare you face" you will get from family members when you say you want to go buy a Tesla. I was at my brother in laws. My wife told him after we leave we are stopping at Tesla to test drive one. He says real loud in front of everyone. "Your going to buy a Tesla"? It got quiet in the room and people were starring at me with their mouths open. No exaggeration. It felt so good pulling up to his house in my Model X a month later lol.

In my case, coming from 3 gas cars- “Once you go Tesla…won’t go back”. Bought first one (an MYLR) in ‘23, then an M3 6 months later (“happy wife”😬), and finally an MX last June😉. Sold all 3 gas cars, and dug “deep pockets $$”…be prepared 🫡

The only negative is that I’ve been door dinged BADLY more times in the last year than ever in my life. People are haters. And it makes a month or more to get into a Tesla body shop. Plus expensive to fix, and expensive to insure in general. Love the car so much otherwise .

Do what I’m doing for my model Y performance and put on some 19 inch or even 18 inch fully forged wheels from atomic wheels for unplugged performance. You can sell the stock reels to somebody who wants to upgrade and look like they have a performance. I’d mostly be concerned about the Tesla heaters keying your car

21 inch wheels look great, but the cost may be shocking to you for replacement of tires/wheel damage. Performance tires on icy roads is bad even with all wheel drive. The FSD is so awesome in icy conditions that it may give you false confidence. In a time machine, self, for the love of God, sell the 21 inch wheels, get the 19 inch wheels with a good set of all seasons and keep the chains in the frunk for the mountains if it gets icy. Probably should get that monthly warranty plan on the windshield and wheels.

I have only charged at my new off grid home in Nevada 2 times in the past 2 years. I charge for free at work and at the casino. 30,000 miles for 0 dollars spent on electric.

My biggest tip is you don’t need a steroided 40 amp home charger the trickle charger is plenty fast imho. My daily commute uses 10-20% and when car is not in use it drinks electricity right back up. If I’m really low I’ll just go to a SC

insurance is location-specific, but i agree it has gotten quite expensive. it sucks.

It works for sure.I used level 1 charging for a while. I think level 2 will save you a little money as it’s more efficient with the charging. But it absolutely will work if you don’t really drive that much daily.

yea service center lead times increased by a lot, several weeks out IF you need to schedule something

Beware of renting cars. It will make you so sad

Insurance cost.

That is the case with any EV, not just Tesla...at least in the US. For the life of me I can’t understand why anyone in the US would buy an EV that can’t charge at home (or at least work). It’s nearly as expensive as gas to use public chargers and the massive inconvenience is crazy. Can someone tell me why someone would buy an EV that only has public charging as their option? This EV hating rant point blows my mind.

Petro is expensive in Iceland, so that would make sense still. But in the US using public charging costs about as much as filling up an efficient gas car, so a silly option here without home or free work charging. Also, very beautiful country. I was there last summer and was amazed at the hot springs and lava rocks everywhere. Even saw a volcano active driving from the airport. Kerio was amazing. But the Perlan volcano show was out of this world.

Yes. Many people miss the point that if relying on L1 charging you are likely charging at peak times and rates. With my L2 I typically only charge at my utility company’s lowest discount rate between 12am-4am. My utility company has 3 tiers- peak, non-peak, and discount. Cost is 45 cents per kWh, 25 cents, or 15 cents respectively. I like the 15 cents the best.

Charging. In Texas they are building a crap ton of apartments and I don't see any added development for charging stations. They few places I've seen it's a daily battle to get one of the few charging stations and then you have to ungrateful one that leave their car after it's charged. That's my biggest gripe.

Good deal. I considered getting solar panels for my home, but the sun is a bit shy in the US Midwest. The math didn’t make as much sense.

I agree. I traded a 2015 Lexus Rx for a 22’ MY and it feels every bit as premium to me. The seats feel very comfortable and I love the smooth feel of the faux leather. I got the white interior. The leather wrapped steering wheel also feels great. The armrest actually feels more premium than the Lexus. Even all the plastic I can touch feels premium too. None of that cheap hard plastic you get with GM cars. At the test drive I really expected less based on the comments. Are these all Bentley or Porsche drivers commenting?

I also don’t see my rates much higher with my 22’ MY. I believe the rates are similar to a luxury car, like Lexus or BMW. Maybe people are coming from an old Toyota Camry and wondering why their rate is so much higher.

For Florida, that is pretty good rates. I lived in FL and car insurance is quite high compared to Indiana where I live now. I’m paying $1900/yr for 22’ MY and 22’ Leaf plus, full coverage on both with 100/300 liability.

Interesting...we pay about the same in sw fl as we did in ga a couple years ago

Random strangers online and sometimes in person will hate you or your vehicle for no reason other than they are mental midgets and dislike Elon. But the vehicle is fun and if you’re wanting to try FSD 14, it’s AMAZING.

INSURANCE COST 3x more against ICE. When I ran a quote.v

I will warn them if they ever have to drive an ICE vehicle to not to forget to put it in park before you get out.

1) Insurance prices probably negate cost savings 2) Make sure you have a consistent place to charge at home or at work 3) Sentry mode will drain like 10% per day

Yes it is 🤣 why I got rid of my XE jag.... Just makes sense here to have an EV . Welcome back anytime 😊 ❤️ We are waiting for the next eruption

I’ve heard some utility companies offer these varying rates. Mine is .13 per kW anytime of the day, so I haven’t had to worry much about that. But it’s a solid point.

I thought they discontinued the s plaid last month? If I'm mistaken, yay!

That’s not the worst life for those tires assuming they were the oem ones, from factory they come with less tread than purchasing them on your own. But brand new from a tire shop not from Tesla factory they should last 35k+ rated for 45k by Michelin but if you had to spend 2k that sucks, today you can grab a set for under 1500.

The warning I would give is be prepared to join a tech ecosystem you probably wont want to hop out of. Like the apple iphone to a smaller degree. Once you get used to the tech and switch back to the legacy cars it becomes apparent that teslas overall software experience is far ahead of a lot of the major cars companies. In terms of driving experience though, I would say its not a luxury driving experience. That only matters for people who are coming from certain brands. If you are switching from Ford, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Chevy vs their higher end brands you wont be disappointed. The one pedal driving takes a day or so to get used to but even that you start to miss when you hop in a regular car. I had a 24' GX550 for about a year and was disappointed with the tech and decided to get a second MY.

Check how much electricity costs at your house. It can range pretty dramatically base on where you live.

And being a Led Zeppelin fan I was intrigued in learning the Immigrant song was about Iceland when they were there on tour.

Range - it's never 350 on a single charge -

When released, the model 3 was priced like a top spec BMW 3 series, today it's priced like a top spec Accord. It compares much better on luxury today, vs when it first hit.

A complete front control arm set, upper and lower is about $350. Labor should be 500 ish. 4k sounds like dealer service pricing.

I got them last year. They were my first tires that I replaced.

Charging at home makes a huge difference Don’t scrape the curb

- Agree with stiff suspension - Another thing for us was mediocre quality of interior materials especially previous generation of all models - this might be subjective

Nothing is perfect. I guess a few rattles now and then but I can’t think of anything I would warn someone about

Retired so I only have charged in my garage since September 2021. I have only been to the repair shop once to get my tires rotated in that time. And one once after someone ran into my rear at a traffic lights. I have a Y and the ride is punishing on my Oakland streets. Otherwise I like the car. I like how fast it can respond when necessary. I love not needing to get services or gasoline

No warnings. I own 3 teslas and they are by far the best cars I’ve ever owned.

Is it really possible to travel through Iceland with an EV? I would like to visit some remote destinations.

Depending on what state you live in. I burn through tires maybe every 18 months.

My fav one is “what if your battery dies in the middle of nowhere?” Well, what if you run out of gas in the middle of nowhere?

Interesting to me as someone living in Europe that no one is mentioning Elon Musk.

Once you've had one, you'll definitely want another one in the future. Thry're quite expensive compared to the Chinese brands.

Its American and elon musk.

Dont forget your mechanic , who used to do oil changes in your old car . Occasionally say hello since you are no longer going there for oil change

It's a little creepy. Somehow it knows that when I hop in it on a weekday morning, I am headed to work. Magic I guess.

I wish I had home charging but with that said, I have been living in an apartment for past 2 years, and charging once a week at supercharger is not as bad as it sounds. Chargers are usually next to grocery stores so I usually grocery shop when I charge. To answer your question OP, if you hate technology don’t buy a Tesla. If you love technology it is a no brainer.

I could see that it works fine. Problem for me is there are only two supercharging spots in my area and the closest is 15 miles from my house. It’s not around any good stores that I would use. It would get me by just fine, but very inconvenient. I’m very spoiled by my home charging.

The thin ass paint that will chip like crazy if even a single pebble hits your front end. Get that thing some PPF asap when you buy the car.

Understandable. I’m very jealous of your home charger too!

Biggest downside of getting a Tesla is realizing you should have gotten one sooner.

Find a mechanic you can take it too

I would say the annual registration costs and state EV up charges since they don't get our gas tax like ICE cars. Clearly a US issue that varies by state. In CO and WA it costs me about $1000 a year to have my S about twice the cost of an ICE vehicle.

FSD(14) is both better and worse than most people think. It's seriously good at long distance trips, and makes longer drives extremely relaxing.. but FSD also lulls you into complacence when it decides to hit a pothole, or go a little too fast in icy/snowy conditions.

The quality is the worst of any car at that price!

Insurance

Charging on trips. There are places where you have to drive 30-40 minutes out of your way for a supercharger. Planning routes often means going a longer way. I drive a 2020 S. It is beautiful to drive. It just makes me uncomfortable traveling. I do charge at home.

The headrests suck and make the seat overall quite uncomfortable compared to a typical car that has some level of adjustability in the headrest. Seems like a small thing, but being comfortable in the seat is quite significant.

Biggest warning. Have charging at home. Not impossible without but will be annoying. Biggest unkown good things. Fsd amazing so I'm skipping over that 1. No key. Why do cats even have keys now? So stupid 2. Incredible acceleration 3. No "lag". You forget how ice vehicles lag until you get back in one. 4. Instant heat in winter..instant cooking in winter. 5. Warm up my car before I leave. 6. Never worry about draining your battery hanging listening to tunes or quick nap on long road trip or leaving your dog in the car 7. No more oil changes and idiot guys selling you air filters 8. Service experience is a dream 9. Send your directions to the car before you leave the house. Or have your spouse do it while driving 10. Summons

You will want to buy more.

Wow. A country with government sponsored infrastructure ( as opposed to for profit company). Where can I buy that? My government appears to have already been bought…./s. BTW 6 year model S owner here. Home charger and solar panels on the roof. Gas station is a thing of the past. Just changed brakes after 125k miles.

WITCHCRAFT!!!

Some used models may be very cheap on the aftermarket and appear as budget friendly, however there are things like charging and insurance that can quickly make it go from a budget vehicle to above that.

No ultrasound sensor

I had high expectations from regenerative braking in terms of keeping the battery life higher but it depletes as normal. The range is awful in the winter time. Significantly worse than gas cars.

There are small quirks that pop up. But the attention to detail by the software guys is sooo good.

Real world range is atleast 10-15% lesser than expected range shown on screen. And it’s far worse during winter. Great car to drive. But in my opinion, if I pay 40-50k for a car and close its door, it should sound like I paid 40-50k. Not the tacky sound from a used 20k Nissan

240v outlet or bust

don’t lease one😭😭

My 2018 Tesla has a 12v auxiliary battery that needs to be replaced every 2-3 years in hot climates. If that dies the car wont go or open. I found out the hard way.

PLEASE CHECK FOR WHERE THE CLOSEST SERVICE CENTER IS AND HOW OFTEN THEY SEND MOBILE TECHS IF YOURE FAR FROM ONE!!! You can do so by calling closest Tesla center. Also while test driving or looking at the car see how far and few between the chargers are on the way home if you live in an isolated area

YSK know how to get out in case of power loss or fire.

Eats tires pretty quickly, shop around for insurance, don’t plan to trade it in any time soon because you’ll hate the offer. Otherwise, super fun car. I like mine a lot.

The zebra.com. Got my progressive rates sliced in half . Also in florida.

Be ready to fork out a lot of money for stupid fixes outside of warranty.

Giving Elon my money

I just bought it . It is amazing Y premium

Haggling with the salesman over the price, the antiquated technology, and the cost of fuel and maintenance.

In all seriousness, I look around and don’t see another car on the road that I’d rather own. We’ve moved forward. Anything that can’t drive itself might as well be a horse and carriage.

Easy. Only one downside: road trips take longer due to charging time. But personally I’m never gonna drive another car without FSD and a road trip with FSD outweighs the charge time thing a billion to one.

Enjoy the interior panels/trim rattling

Retired mechanic/shop owner, and after seeing the quality of work coming out of local Tesla service centers, I’m glad I can do almost all my own work. Most owners never see the poor level of workmanship and care that these “service centers” provide. I love my car but would NEVER recommend anyone go to a Tesla SC if it can be avoided. Look for an independent shop for much better quality work.

Consider you are warned that you will be saving ton of $$$ on gas and declaring your independence from unpredictable gas prices assuming you will setup a level 2 change capability at your residence and not pay at superchargers (assuming you are in USA where charging at home is above 2-3 times cheaper than superchargers) on a regular basis. Now go and make it happen! You are already late. Based on my experience with 2023 Tesla Model Y LR and 2024 Hummer EV, Edition 1 SUV. BTW I also have 22.5 kW (53 - 425 WATT panels) solar system installed as well for a true energy independence.

That's pretty stupid if people say that. I test drove an M3 and it drove like shit, so I didn't get it.  The FSD is pretty sweet though.

Anyone seen my girl FSD? I heard she was right around the corner

The longer you wait, the more regret you'll have for delaying the decision. I have 3. They get better and better.

dont buy an X

While you sit there and watch YouTube and eat breakfast..... 99% club here.

Care to explain why? I had the X as a loaner for a few days and I didn’t like it. Steering wheel and interior felt cheap for the price.

The **** wipers. Everything else is good.