JFK
Lucid is price Rivian is unproven / price (current R1 is way more expensive than MY / M3). FSD and supercharger network and overall tech integration, like phone key, sentry mode, etc.
price, charging network, software glitches, dealership availability, design
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Lucids appealed to me a lot more before Tesla upped their NVH, suspension, and overall refinement with the junipers and highlands
You took away all of my reasons so I don't know how else to answer that now.
Charging network.
Tesla software is leagues above any other EV, imo. Edit: just thought to add, the lack of stealership experience was huge for me. They need to be abolished outright.
i think fsd and price are 90% of the reason
I would choose neither of them except BYD
software and creature comfort features, the little things add up
After having a Tesla, all other EVs feel inferior. The software just works, and works well. Every other manufacturer is a janky mess.
not really relevant anymore now that SC are public
Exactly. Maybe availability of accessories, ease of buying maybe, I don't know. My primary reason is FSD and integration of Supercharger info when travelling.
Rivian, for one, doesn’t make cars and only trucks and huge SUVs. I wouldn’t consider anything from them until the R3X debuts.
This is where I’m at. I have an ev6 now that I will be replacing in a few years. Had a Tesla rental while it was being repaired from a deer and fell in love with it. The car just made sense. I’ve always wanted an R1S but never wanted to spend the money. I absolutely love the design of the R2 and am torn between them
At this point I have over 300k miles on Teslas and none of them have ever had a trip to the service center. Tires, windshield wipers, wiper fluid, cabin filters. That’s it in 300k+.. That alone is enough for me to never switch.
The app and the way the screen UI software functions. FSD is at this point an obvious one for me.
Tesla doesn't insult your intelligence with racing inspired graphics or fake analog gauges in their UI. It's super functional and looks like software running on your PC/Mac.
Fully developed software, better access to service. Service is still not great, but certainly better than Rivian or Lucid. Also zero chance Tesla goes bankrupt next 5 yrs, not sure that could be said for the others.
Elon Musk. He's still toxic and heavily associated with the brand. There's consumers who will cross Tesla off their list because they don't want to be reminded of Musk while they drive the car. And because they worry about other people seeing them in the car and associating them with Musk.
Better user experience. Tesla software was built to make driving the easiest thing you do in a day. You don’t need to worry about keys. You don’t need to worry about if your car cabin is too cold or hot since you can precondition from anywhere in the world, and if you’re savvy, you can sync your work schedule with your car so it preconditions on its own. When you get in, your only responsibility is to put on your seatbelt and press the accelerator (not even that if you have FSD). When you get out, you only are responsible for taking off your seatbelt and closing the door. The car locks itself based on how far you’ve walked from it. The charging, even, is so simple. You click a little button on the charging cord as you approach the car and the port opens itself up so you can insert the charger and walk away. After charging, you click the same button and pull the cord and the charge port automatically closes. Every aspect of Tesla ownership is the best experience in the industry.
Repairability. Tesla has sold millions of Model 3 and Model Y so parts are plentiful and easy to access. If you have a problem, there's probably a YouTube video about it. Plus, lots of 3rd party market items.
Safety. Now uno reverse - what's the single biggest reason, other than Elon, that someone would choose Rivian/Lucid over Tesla?
Why do people choose Apple over Samsung or Google for phones? The market and product sandbox. Tesla has the patents and charging infrastructure to go coast to coast while other companies rely on Tesla for charging.
tesla is more "mature' as an EV automaker over in rivian & lucid communities, they have a lot of kinks being ironing out even in legacy automakers, some of their BEVs are pretty new & have short history being in production, so theres kink being ironed out with new model years, theyre fixing something that was wrong in previous model years tesla went thru most of that years ago, so out of the BEV offerings, they feel pretty mature in comparison
FSD is the reason.
Model Y 3rd row for kids when family comes to visit, ski box on the roof, and it still fits in the garage.
I’d add there isn’t another car on the road EV or ICE that can match Tesla in this department
Beyond price and FSD, Lucid has had some major mechanical and electrical issues. Rivian seems like it growing too fast but still only has 97 service centers.
Tesla is more established.
Reliability
I can’t afford a Rivian R1. Hoping to afford a Rivian R2 in a year or two.
It's the devil I know. I got so many cheap used parts for my Tesla when it breaks on eBay and there's a huge online DIY repair community. I'm not sure that's the case with Rivian. For the stuff that I can't do there are four service centers within 30 miles of me. Tesla service isn't really that amazing but if you stand on what you want and you're justified, they acquiesce. My MX is an OG back when there were no electric SUVs or diy fixers. I took a chance and it paid off. My MY is silly easy to work on. It's a very simple car.
price is definitely the primary thing
kia isn't bad, but tesla is more user friendly yes
There are excellent EVs around but the combo powertrain/motors/regen/software quality and maturity are years ahead of competition. I personally also favor minimalism and “no BS” dashes.
Dependability
Super Chargers > Destination Chargers > More service centers. Other than that I would not really consider many other factors for myself. Other factors exist, but were not apart of my reasons for getting a Tesla. I know they are the least reliable car in the US. But I went knowing that I was likely going to have an OK experience. They are the worst car, but even the worst cars are pretty ok. I did the math, and was ready.
You can get a model Y which is world class car for half the price
That’s kind of embarrassing because Tesla is really not that great in my opinion
Not all SC’s are public.
I have never seen a lucid or rivian dealership. When I ask traditional dealerships about their electric cars they know very little about them, if the sales people don’t know enough to sell me the car how can I trust the service department to know enough to fix them if there is a problem?
In-car Software, app functionality, longevity and reliability (way better than other EVs), price to performance, charging network, availability of parts and knowledge, FSD.
It's simply a reliable, trouble free product with integrated charging network at a price that beats the competition. Fundamentals. For whatever reason, no one can match it. Others are better in areas, like quality build and interior features but the core experience is still unbeaten. Do I wish there was more genuine competition? Yes. Are there good alternatives? Yes. But as a whole, these are the reasons Tesla continues to be a market leader for now.
To me, Lucid is trying to make a more premium experience and they engineered their cars well. The problem is the software and the look of the vehicles. The Air looks like an early 2000s Cadillac or Buick. The Gravity is basically a minivan. For Rivian, I think they nailed the looks but the software issues and production issues + price hold them back. I think Rivian may weather the storm and stick around. I don’t think Lucid makes it another 2 years.
lol brand trust
Plus they have all sorts of diagnostics that are not locked away. As simple as entering service mode and poking around. The service manual is also available online from Tesla for free. It's very different from every other manufacturer.
Charging network and software
100% correct — Tesla has implemented some seriously bone headed simple stuff that other carmakers seem to struggle with (we have a Model Y and a VW ID.4, for reference)
Spot on!
I don’t even use FSD. I know it sounds silly but the 0-60 is a huge selling point for me. The pull of the acceleration never gets old, and other EV’s seem unable to match it. I am really curious on those Chinese EV’s. Prob will never see one the way politics are.
Model Y and Chevy Bolt for us. It is not even close. We had the Bolt first and the whole first month with the Y was, "Oh yeah, that makes sense. Why doesn't the Bolt do that?"
Yeesh. I’ve had an m3 that had 12 trips over 3 years. Half were the same issue they couldn’t figure out what was wrong and they wouldn’t listen to me. We got into an accident with it and it was totalled and we got a MY awd premium and it’s already been in twice. Idk how you have been so lucky
I came SO close to buying an ID4, but it was during the stop sale (electronoc Door lock issues that they could not resolve). Glad I "ended up" with a T MYP.
Yeah, the software mainly. Everything is just SO INTUITIVE, tightly integrated, and keeps getting better. My 2020 Y is way better than when I bought it. The mobile app is very responsive and capable.
Will Lucid and Rivian be in business 8 years from now when the resale value of the car depends on the availability of parts and service?
This is the best combo. I was going to upgrade my Volt to a Bolt, but got a super good deal on a 2024 Model Y, so I went that route, but still love my Chevy for short drives.
Yeah. Sorry we trust Tesla way more than Rivian and lucid. Rivian is at the absolute bottom for reliability and repair centers. At Tesla you don’t have to have your car in the shop for months for a small issue.
I don’t need a giant SUV or pickup truck like the R1S/R1T.
Well of course the R1 is more expensive. It’s a much larger vehicle and the interior has more detail.
There's some access for other vehicles now but the entire reason that I bought a Tesla versus a rivian was the charging network. When referring to lucid it was all about price.
FSD and integration. There are more comfortable EV's on the market than Tesla.
Different market.. Get a Lucid if you want luxury (Model S is going away). Get a Rivian if you want a truck and SUV with more whistles and convenience than the Model Y and Cybertruck.
The only thing Rivian does better is aesthetics which is of course personal preference. I like the look of the Rivian more but it’s not enough to make the switch.
I charge at home, but for road trips the supercharger network is really neat. Sure 3rd party can use it but it’s not as seamless. They also drive really well. The suspension tuning, smoothness in acceleration/deceleration really shows.
Lucid’s designs are hideous. Love their tech, hate their style. Rivian love their designs, ecosystem is not there.
Software, overall user experience, and yeah - FSD and price are still the biggest ones for me, at the moment. Big enough to override Elon’s douchebaggery, for now. But since lots of other people have said those already, I’ll throw another one out there: **accessories**. The custom-made, third party accessory market for Teslas is like nothing else, for *any* other car out there. Pretty cool to be able to buy a custom-designed refrigerator, that is designed to fit *perfectly* into the sub-trunk of my MY, and makes the absolute best use of the space - but is completely hidden away.
1. Software 2. Software 3. Software No competitor comes close
After FSD it would be the Tesla charging network. On long trips, FSD routes from Supercharger to Supercharger. If I pull towards a non-working charger, I get a warning on my screen that station 2B is not working and to select another. I have tried other chargers and find them hard to use. I once connected to a charger in a below ground garage. It required a WiFi connection to start charging using an app. I had to photograph the code for the station, walk outside to get a WiFi connection, start the app, enter the code. All that to start charging.
My Tesla Model 3 is smaller and lighter than the vehicles from those manufacturers. I don’t want a huge vehicle.
Their service manual is online, the others aren’t
Elon listens to the people and is quick to make adjustments imo
Price, FSD, superchargers, and many more service centers.
Other then reddit diehards, that is already long gone in the public memory.
Also the V1 stations are not compatible with CC1 non-Tesla vehicles. And while a large portion of the network is V2 or better there's still TONS of older stations.
FSD. I’m hoping they eventually licence the software to other manufacturers.
Tesla software + chargers. They integrate easy for trips. Rivian could fix it tho.
For me, it is size. My Model 3 fits in my garage, while the Rivian, Lucid, Ioniq 5, ... won't, because they are all too long. Didn't even test drive them or even look at them other than to verify size.
Service network and dependability are another reason to go with Tesla over rivian or lucid
Supercharger network
Kia has shitty navigation. And a lot of smaller software issues that individually are not a big deal, but add up to being considerably behind Tesla's.
FSD is the only reason, with autosteer gone there’s less motive
In addition to everything else already mentioned here, neither Lucid nor Rivian have every turned a profit yet. If you want to be sure you can get reasonable support for your car 5 or 10 years from now Tesla is the much safer buy. But I guess since "price" is not an important reason to you (???) if your car brand goes out of business you could just buy something else? For the record if a R1S were the same price as our Model Y we definitely would have considered it.
Agreed.......plus the car's seamless integration into the Tesla SuperCharger ecosystem. It's like no other charger network when you're on the road.
Tesla software is #1. The Teslas are lighter too - so better braking/handling performance characteristics. I also really like the one button rear seat fold that moves the front seats back/forth is awesome in the new Y. For Lucid - I'd be nervous about their ability to be around in 4 years for support on the car. Rivian isn't looking great but I'd be willing to take the risk if I really wanted one of their vehicles.
Kia's map moves like a slideshow. Like if you had a Garmin back in the 2000s. Their infotainment and touch controls are hot garbage! Only their safety feature is good enough that I'd have a family member get one just for that (if they weren't willing to get a Tesla).
Are you speaking politically or have you driven a Tesla and don't like something about it?
Then why haven't sales recovered? And why are they so bad in Europe and particularly in places like Germany? Companies spend money on brand advertising for a reason.
Not all of them......plus, other cars are not nearly as integrated into the SC ecosystem. A Tesla using a SC is plug/play/walk away......no dicking with the app to get your charging session going.
Got my new 2024 march, tesla model y... price seemed right. Enjoying FSD. I'm not rich enough for a Rivian or Lucid. I pay a little extra a month on minimum payments - $400/looking forward to have it paid off with less than 3 years to go. Traded in 2014 Honda CRV that had zero issues or flaws. Even with the few flaws I ran into on the tesla tha were remedied, still a great car/no regrets so far.
Software and reliable/consistent charging network
Charging network
that’s wild. my model 3 has had 4 service center trips in 20k miles
The drivers door on my X even closes itself when I walk away, on top of locking the car!
For me it was Price. This was during the doge days where EVERYONE hated Elon.. FSD was a nice bonus and I had no idea how great the overall tesla experience is. Also big thing was just seeing the price and being okay with it.. no haggling is the best.
The number one thing for me is battery replacement after warranty. Tesla sells refurb batteries. Sure, they are not the same as the original, but at least they have a plan in place unlike everyone else. edit: My 2022 chevy bolt is dead post warranty unless I can find a new battery still sealed or find a used one off a wrecked car.
Sold on UX! Nothing comes close 🤌🏼
IMO, the single biggest reason to choose Tesla over Rivian or Lucid is its vast, reliable Supercharger network. It offers seamless integration, widespread availability, and often faster or more consistent charging experiences for Tesla vehicles compared to what competitors can access—even with their compatibility in 2026. If you watch this Out of Spec motoring video you will see this on full display. [OOS MOTORING - Canada to Key West](https://youtu.be/x1zK2bdQ22o?si=lOLSBH4EsnSMyEsW)
Totally underrated.
Mate you forgot about the passcode when you get in :P I really wish there was a biometric sensor
This 👆 Over-the-Air (OTA) Updates: Tesla’s frequent, transformative OTA updates multiple times per year. Infotainment and UI: Touchscreen is highly responsive, with minimal lag, intuitive navigation, real-time traffic integration (including Supercharger planning), entertainment (streaming, games, karaoke), and seamless phone/app integration. It’s often described as fast and packed with features, feeling like a “tech-first” experience.
Just use your phone, why add extra pin?
if only tesla actually had a van / family car. i'm getting a pv5 because the Y just isn't big enough
The software. The technology. The seamless charging. The amazing service centers. The hands off approach to everything. Plus their advisors are hourly. Don’t push sales.
V1 doesn't exist anymore - haven't in years. You're thinking v2 and v3.
The other two have zero ties to not-see/ism. See when you associate with THE number one bad guy ideology, then do basically nothing to change the public’s persona… But I digress.
The X is the closest you'd get to a family car, as it's more like a full sized SUV compared to the compact SUV MY, but of course the X is much more expensive and stopping production.
Assuming you don’t mean the vehicle - CHARGING NETWORK Try driving across country without the Tesla charging network and let me know how that goes
Rivian and Lucid produce much less cars per year than Tesla. This means that there is a higher risk of them going out of business. I wouldn’t want to be in a situation where I couldn’t get service or replacement parts because the company went out of business
Push to regen. Like wtf.
Fsd can be mimicked by using open pilot on a rivian or lucid so 🤷♂️
Charging network first and foremost.
Charging network is open now though. I'm cross shopping both and to me, it's software and FSD.
just to second that it’s the best software interface of any car anywhere, not only EVs
The ota is much more common now, thanks to Tesla ofc but that was a huge selling point for years.
Reliability
Yeah the only thing that makes the kia work fine is that it supports Android Auto, so I don't have to deal with the kia interface
I watched a guy with a ford stuck at a Tesla supercharger once. He kept changing stalls, Messing with the cable or the car, and then going back to his phone I think although open, not without its faults.
I think the comparison itself here is flawed. It's like asking why you would choose a Honda Accord over a Toyota 4Runner or Lexus LS. These aren't apples and oranges comparisons. That said, my biggest fear buying a new EV is that the manufacturer will go out of business or stop making the cars, leaving me with an expensive paperweight. Tesla has the most financial security and strongest future. So, if I had to pick a single reason, that would be it.
It’s still a valid reason why they would pick Tesla over rivian.
You added the pin yourself, you can only use your phone.
Man I would immediately go and buy an electric Odyssey.
Software - built-in dash cameras.
Interior.
I don’t support Lucid because of where the money goes. I love Rivians, but they need to fix their charge port location and software.
not even available here (europe)
Software. Tesla's software is 10 years ahead of any of the competitions.
How about the fact that Rivian's and lucid use the Tesla network for charging. Tesla is the innovator. Lucid and Rivian are barely hanging on.
Software. Others focus on luxury and perf but Tesla is is ahead with tech and will always be ahead. Don’t forget all these companies like lucid worked under Tesla. The CEO is one of the main engineer for the model S before he started lucid.
Charging network, and features. I was worried about driving from Seattle to Detroit in my standard range model Y, but a day into my trip, I realized the hours of plotting out charger locations was completely wasted. I paid extra for the home link adapter, which I use every day when my car automatically opens the garage door. I was surprised how often I play games on the screen while waiting for people. The Tesla owners API reports everything to my home server. I admit most people probably didn't care about this one, but I really appreciate it when I also have access to the data the car company is collecting about me. It's one thing that all car companies track your car 24x7, but at least I can use that data to extract milage for my job and for home automation.
FSD and price are the reasons I'm considering Tesla. The Rivian R1 is more in line with what I need in terms of size but the price alone makes it a non-starter. Add in charging, reported software issues, and the nearest dealership being 2 1/2 hours away and it's a complete hell no for me.
**Financial stability of the company-**\-Tesla will definitely be around for years to come--it is profitable, generating positive cash flow of $6B/year. Rivian and Lucid have lost billions in each each year they have been in business with no end in sight. How long can they keep going?
Outside of fsd I feel as if Rivian is on par for the other listed items. You could probably argue which implementation is better but both are there, Tesla just has like 3x the development time.
On the bright side that consumer reports article was based on vehicles from 2014-2019 and actually mentions that reliability in newer vehicles is significantly improved!
I’ve driven the others. They are very good, but Tesla is the most seamless in terms of marrying the tech and UI. It may not look the fanciest anymore but it’s still the best. And it astounds me that some of other UV makers (I’m looking at you VW, Kia, Hyundai, Chevy and especially Mercedes) have not understood how important UI is. Driving a Tesla is transformative not be because it’s electric, but because they upgraded the driver experience
Better technology.
So a joker or thief can’t drive your car away. There are a few YouTube videos where the PIN code prevented a carjacking. Edit. I changed “can” to “can’t”. Changes the whole sentence meaning.
Vehicle capability, safety seems comparable, politics. Everything else seems a wash
User experience, the look and feel of the cars, easy of access if you live by Tesla centers. It’s also just a fact that Teslas are more affordable than a lot of EVs.
An electric Odyssey? It's not available anywhere, it doesn't exist. I'm just saying that if it did, I would go buy one immediately.
It's even crazier than that. There is a paddle behind the steering wheel that will add additional regen. Two things: 1. Why isn't the full regen activated when you push the button? 2. If you want a regen "level control", why isn't it software based? Why do I have to pull the paddle *every time* to get full regen when I stop? Stupid.
I would love a real electric Honda. The Prologue is hot garbage and not a true Honda.
Lucid and Rivian are both a “high luxury” in the EV segment imo. They are a statement piece for the middle to upper class. Tesla is the tried and true leader with an Apple philosophy on tech. They simplify the user experience that no other EV maker matches yet. With the discontinuation of the S and X you can see how Tesla is focusing on their more “practical” mass produced vehicles (3 & Y). The target being the average consumer. Don’t get me wrong Tesla still comes at a premium but a premium that can be compared to Apple products like iPhone. Sure there are more expensive phones out there with even better cameras like Samsung etc. but, like iPhone, people choose Tesla for the convenience ease of use. That is what makes the difference for most people imo. Now that may not always be true in the future as other EV companies start to match or exceed what Tesla pioneered.
charging network
Tesla just feels like the most convenient car to own. Everything is automated like cabin heating. I just open the door and start driving. And vice versa.
Well, FSD shouts down everything else, but then comes the overall ownership experience, which has for me been spectacular so far, from initial purchase to pick-up to driving for the past year and a half. It's just been a delight. Fantastic sound system, excellent NVH (Highland here), spectacular performance and handling, everything about it. But mainly FSD FSD FSD FSD and furthermore FSD... such a game changer.
The Supercharger Network
SINGLE reason? Service Centers. EV's are still fairly new to the masses, new enough that most repairs still need to be done at an authorized repair facility. Currently those are only the service centers or for bodywork an authorized body shop. To *me* there are 2 pre-requisites to owning an EV. 1) Ability to charge at home; and 2) Their service center being within a reasonable distance to me. I'd love a Rivian R1T in the future, but #2 is currently working against that. :(
Software and Tesla supercharging network.
I have no idea how good the sound system is in the Rivian, but that 17 speaker system in my model 3 is great. Tons of bass for a factory stereo.
there are teslas on the road with 300k+ miles...go read up on lucid and rivian dependability and the repair stories. Go get an ioniq if you want all electric but not a tesla
As far as my S Acceleration + Range+ Styling
Price. Cheapest rivian and lucid is double the price of the cheapest Tesla.
Cost, rivian and lucid do not have budget options yet. Model 3/Y are much more affordable than anything from lucid, rivian.
That’s on Ford, not Tesla. Teslas work flawlessly with their supercharger network as do a lot of other cars. I’ve seen fords struggle with charging even on the charger provided to them when they bought the truck. Source: I have a M3 and one of my friends has a Lightning
Software
Price
Hate to say it, but the suspension is kind of rough
Charging network. Even with NACS, 3rd party cars only have access to a subset of Supercharger station.
mature platform
what is the single reason besides looks that someone would pick Sydney Sweeney over Susan Boyle?
0-60 in 3.3 in my affordable MYP 🔥
FSD sold us immed but once in car - it JUST WORKS!! Everything. After reading horrendous Lucid reviews & Audi,, everything becomes 2nd nature & car is really intuitive . I’m shocked I don’t miss Apple play but I still access Siri via Bluetooth so still messages & audio offers same music choices. Zero complaints after one year ownership
Exactly!
How does someone drive your car away?
Ride quality, service support, software. At least those are the ones I like over our R1S. The cabin is so much quieter. It’s surprisingly easier to get service due to more locations. We only have one service center for Rivian in my area. The software is more stable. Alexa is being put out to pasture. The maps aren’t easy to find alternative routes. I don’t have a Lucid but I’ve heard horrible things about the software.
Tesla missed mark so hard on cyber truck vs an X7 style. I’d immed trade in for that.
Anyone worried about the pivot to robotics? Bummer that they canceled X and S. 3 and y are solid cars, I got a Rivian because I needed at 7 seat SUV for my family. I think that Tesla could do better at this point if Musk stepped back from being CEO and just let them focus on being a car company.
Trust Better UI/UX Supercharger network Company stability Company innovation FSD Supervised Price It's just a damn fun car to drive 🚀
From what I’ve seen, stateside, rivian is best positioned and most promising to follow Tesla on the software front.
I'm just not sure there is a ton of overlap there, with the larger SUV and a MY. Surely this is by intention by Rivian. I'm guessing that most people who own an R1T wouldn't have considered a MY, or would have found it too small, or not robust enough for someone willing to spend $85k+.
It sounds great! And my Rivian does all those things.
the red tape required to charge non teslas... Electrify America, EVgo, ChargePoint, you will have to look up the locations of these chargers for road trips, you will need an app for each one connected to a credit card, and fingers crossed they are in working order. I've driven across the country 3x in my tesla and never had to worry about any of that.
The story is a few months old, [but Tesla had terrible brand reputation last July](https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2025/07/22/teslas-massive-elon-musk-problem-is-not-going-away/).
I will never use FSD . ( maybe when I'm 70+ ) So when i bought mine i didn't even think about it. I just like the camera and space And its very comfy . and wife likes it I like my jaaag I-Pace more as it's a way better drivers car But if i buy a new one, fsd will not be a option i pick
I agree, I like the guy but he is not a CEO material, he is a crazy visionary, larger than life, once in a century type of person. I think he is simply bored and unhappy as a CEO but he has delegation issues and simply can’t let it go.
Tesla Electric company. If you're in a state with deregulated utilities like Texas, you can switch electric companies to your hearts desire. Tesla offers several different electric plans here in Texas, including both solar panel integration or in my case, just wall connector based. For $15/mo all home charging is free from midnight to noon. The rest of the time it is super cheap kwh.
And that is just in the states. In China it is closed still.
On my second year and going in to my first to tighten a tail light.
I mean I got a used 2022 model Y performance with 41,000 miles for $21,000 after the rebates. For the amount of tech, the features, and the quality drive I could never get a Rivian or Lucid for that price range with such low miles.
Tesla's software is spectacular, intuitive and well developed. That, and the well established, plentiful and easy to use charging network.
We have a 20kW array and 4 Powerwalls and while this sounds great on paper, the implementation sucks. We can operate completely off-grid, with the exception of charging our EV. With the current implementation, you get a window for free EV charging, however, the ecosystem is not smart enough to pull directly from the grid. Instead, it depletes your Powerwalls first, and if you have to charge the Powerwalls from the grid, you pay for it. One workaround is to set a higher backup reserve, but in turn, your entire home runs off the grid during this window, which doesn't solve the problem.
Tesla for me. The software. I really like the esthetics of the interior. I love the exterior with a few tweaks. Tesla just hits the spot for me.
FSD 100%. That's why I got the car in the first place, 8 years ago. And it's come so far from what it was in those days.
And the reliability of this software is wholly unrivaled. Not saying shit doesn't get whack time and again but it happens far far less with Teslas.
Mimicked, but not as good (yet).
Tighten? As in it wiggled out?
Yeah that sounds like horrible execution. Can you get a second meter installed, just for the wall connector?
They stole your phone for example
For Rivian or Lucid, no availability outside the USA is a significant reason to choose Tesla. Also Rivian and Lucid have a very small global marketshare of sales as of 2026, making them relatively unproven. Lucid delivered 15,841 (electric) vehicles in 2025, worldwide. Rivian delivered 42,428 in 2025. Tesla delivered ca. 1,640,000 in 2025. BYD, the largest in 2025 sales and largest EV competitor to Tesla, delivered ca. 4,550,000in 2025. Compared to BYD, Lucid delievred 0.35% (rounded up) and Rivian delivered 0.94% ( rounded up). Availability is a significant factor in selection, naturally, as users are unlikely to choose to import given the expense. Cost is another. BYD and other Chinese manufacturers can outprice others while providing similar functionality.
Tesla is a proven platform. It works
Well, if you mean any model, my answer would be price. Lucids are expensive. A model 3 is not as expensive, like half.
Elon said it best: I build the best EV because I want to. Everyone else will do it because they have to. Nobody has the foresight, inventiveness, and production behind them to make theirs greater than a Tesla. And the ecosystem of tesla will be unmatched as the Tesla branded products continue to come out. Use your phone as an example. If its apple, you're holding the phone that revolutionized smart phones. And look at the ecosystem. It took awhile for Samsung to catch up, but they entered an existing pc ecosystem nearly seamlessly.
Odds are Tesla will be around in 20 years
I just went through this. Literally had orders for both the Gravity and R1S that I canceled. 97% of the reason was FSD. Without it I definitely would have gotten one of them. But the other 5% which is nice to get with FSD is: 1) Better overall software/UI and app beyond just FSD; 2) 100% chance the company doesn't go out of business soon (Rivian will probably make it, Lucid is 50/50); 3) Healthy third party market for service, parts and accessories that neither of those other brands have. Other things you would think would be better with Tesla are not. Lucid actually charges faster on Superchargers than Tesla does, so no advantage there. And Tesla is just as bad a service appointments as those other brands despite years more than them to get maturity with it.
I guess. I haven’t lost my phone in decade and even then wld someone know to go car to car?
Tesla is many generations ahead in everything. Tesla is far, far more reliable (I’ve had 4 since 2018, in 8 years I can count on one hand the number of times they’ve been serviced). Tesla is the best price value. Best user interface. Best software. Lucid will likely be bankrupt. Face it, all EVs are appliances. Might as well have the best, most reliable, best value one. (Imo the real question is if you’re looking for an ev, why would you buy anything other than a tesla?)
Software glitches for sure advantage Tesla. Price only if you are in the market for a 3 or Y which sin't even the same vehicle class that Rivian has products in right now (until the R2 is out). Lucid's sedan competing in the luxury market unlike the 3 and the Gravity like the R1S is in a totally different vehicle class than the Y. I don't know why anyone would cross shop them. The X competes with the Gravity and Rivian (for a couple more months) but has no price advantage over them, and even worse lease terms than either of them. Depending where you live, "dealership" (aka showrooms and service centers) availability is not a Tesla advantage. I am waiting longer for Tesla service in my area than locals I know with Rivians or Lucids. Appointments here take 5-6 weeks. Lucid charges faster on the Supercharger network than Tesla does. Yes there are some older chargers that don't work with the others but the vast majority of the ones you care about work with both. Design is in the eye of the beholder. I personally like the Rivian design way, way, more than the Tesla, particularly for the "SUV" category the Y is supposed to be in. It's more like a hatchback than an SUV while the Rivian is a true SUV. But it doesn't have FSD so a non-starter.
Rivian has as many OTA updates as Tesla and like Tesla uses it to add features, holiday treats, etc.
The exact same survey has Rivian score highest on owner satisfaction so they must be doing something right. Most EVs do poorly on that reliablity rating and Tesla used to be at the bottom too.
Why would anyone be cross shopping them? Either you are looking for a three row midsized SUV or you are looking for a 2 row (Y third row doesn't count) compact CUV. Only the X is in the same category as the R1S or Gravity and it has no cost advantage.
Why is that an advantage these days when all 3 can use it? The Lucid Gravity even charges faster on the Tesla Superchargers than any of the Tesla cars do.
Tesla been around longer and will continue to dominate the EV Market
You don’t really understand how bad other car user experiences are until you drive a Tesla. 1 stalk. 2 buttons. That’s it. All intuitive controls and settings and preferences tied to a user. Shoot. Even the turn signals know when to turn off depending on the maneuver. (Most of the time ).
The OP literally said Rivian is more expensive than his MY and M3 as his reason.
From what I understand and in my opinion also from owning a few EVs, Tesla is more energy efficient. You’ll notice that other brands offer larger batteries but the range isn’t any better. I have a model Y and even going on a highway at 110km/h along with combined city my average energy use hangs around 12 to 14.5kwh, but mostly in the lower where as others get up around 20kwh BUT, I will say that I am in Australia and the range of EV offerings are not as broad, and like any car with efficiency being different it can just come down to all the other features that you like in others. Some of these off road capable ones look pretty good, but I don’t think the torque from the motors has been worked out to get their best potential.
Just got a hard on reading this!. 🤣
Brother in law has a Mach-e. Other than FSD, I’d swap and not care. But I love my FSD.
The number one factor for me was the long term viability of the companies. With cars that are this dependent on software, it's critical that the manufacturer continue to be viable in business. Tesla is much more financially secure than Rivian or Lucid.
If you take FSD off the table, then to me … you just gotta test drive the ones you like, and make your call, just like in the old days. FSD is 100% what sold me on Tesla.
Tesla has more EVs on the road than any other brand. They know what they are doing, and when something goes wrong on your car, it's likely something they've seen a thousand times. Parts are readily available, whether new or on the used market.
Agree 100% with everything here. You either have immature new EV only automakers, or traditional automakers where EVs make up a tiny portion of their fleet. Sure, they have lots of dealers, but the majority of the service staff aren't EV experts so the service experience won't match what you would get with one of their ICE models.
i hear the tesla doors actually open when you walk close to it, unlike Lucid...
I'm currently debating whether to stay with Tesla or go back to an ICE SUV or get the R2 that's launching on the 12. But I've heard things about how long Rivian's batteries last
Free basic Autopilot. Now with that's gone, I don't think tesla has any appeal.
Question for you... I have my precondition schedule set to my work schedule. 8 am during the weekdays and 9 am on the weekend. Despite this every Saturday my car still preconditions for 8 am. I can't figure out why it's doing that. Have you experienced this?
And integration with their other products.
The Tesla app
We have both. 2022 Model S and 2026 R1S. The is incredible in so many ways, but it’s not a Tesla. I just wish Tesla made a normal looking SUV.
I can get it fixed in my town if something breaks.
It was mainly FSD but the other reason was power! Power on demand, I’m a car guy with sports cars all my life. I’ve enjoyed slow and fast but the instant torque is a lot of fun. Reminds me of brake boosting my old 300ZXTT but instant. But other than that it was because of FSD and dealing with more and more traffic that kills my soul having to drive in it.
Efficiency
This is the BIGGEST reason to get Tesla over Rivian. Nothing like owning a car that sits in the shop waiting for service…
Software , Security they tight up stuff fast and update stuff fast,
The tesla app tells you where the car is.
Software Software Software…
For me, it was the app experience, UI in car, charging network, overall reliability (we have later builds) and current FSD tech. When others get close enough to Tesla in these areas, I’ll likely switch. Porsche is on my shortlist due to better build quality, massaging seats, thigh extensions and handling prowess.
Yep, its the part of the tail light connected to the trunk of the MY, loosned up closest to the license plate about an inch out compared the the light opposite it. GPT says it's likely just loose and needs to be tightened, if the bracket is broke it could cost hundreds and won't be covered by warranty. Still waiting on cost est.
Not everyone will agree with this, but it's at least in the right ballpark. |Category|Tesla|Lucid|Rivian| :--|:--|:--|:--| |Mid-size sedan|Model 3||| |Compact SUV|||R3/R3x (in a few years)| |Mid-size SUV|Model Y||R2 (not out yet)| |Truck|Cybertruck||R1T| |Full-Size Sedan|Model S (soon to be cancelled)|Air|| |Full-Size SUV|Model X (soon to be cancelled)|Gravity|R1S | The higher the category, the lower the cost. Notice how Tesla is checking most of the affordability boxes while the others aren't? I would argue that Tesla cancelling the S/X and Rivian moving to the R2/R3 series would put them in closer competition in the coming years (with Tesla appealing more to mainstream/street crowds and Rivian going for lifestyle/outdoors crowds). Lucid is going after the Model S/X, cars that were interesting at release but novelties now, to the point that even Tesla is done with them.
Well, FSD is the determining factor for me. I don’t understand why other manufacturers don’t simply buy or lease FSD technology from Tesla.
Charging rate are more expensive for non Tesla at super chargers.
I had a polestar with the tesla charging adapter and not all of the Tesla chargers worked with it. Seemed to be just the ones that had 350kw charging. Didn’t look into much, i was on my way to return the lease but needed more options for the drive through Wyoming.
It's on the equivalent of why someone would choose Apple over Android. The entire system is integrated. They're 10 years ahead of everyone and it works better and more efficiently than any of the current competition. *except the Chinese EV makers, who copied the open source tech Tesla published and really excelled with it quickly catching up and, in some areas, surpassing Tesla. Once/if the most competitive Chinese EVs are allowed until the USA, Tesla will be dethroned. But Musk knows this and is headed towards a complete shift in Tesla's output, from cars to other things that he'll still be able to keep a leg up with.
And they stole your face
You need two schedules one activated on the weekends and the other during the week. And each location has different schedule profiles
I had a 2020 for three years and I loved that the software was always current. Updates more than my phone.
Show me where I can find a late model rivian or lucid for 26000 and I will be able to tell you.
How is the driver assist for traffic without FSD? I have to deal with bumper to bumper traffic and would like to just have it be less stressful.
Software, Superchargers
They can mimic the NFC capability of your phone. Thieves can get into your car this way and even drive away. The pin prevents them driving away in your car.
I chose the Lucid because it drives better than any car I've ever been in, plus it's super comfortable, has a ton of room including leg and head room in the back for my 6'4" father-in-law, and it's a sedan with nearly as much cargo space as my previous BMW X3. Plus it looks sweet as hell.
Value.
FSD is really the only reason besides body style preference.
Price
Software, infotainment, the way everything works together, the way you can send YouTube videos and maps locations to the car, audio system, more well established with far more dedicated service centers, easier to get parts online or at service centers, a REALLY great service system right in the app, the Supercharger Network, hella accessories and aftermarket mods (if you so choose). when you get a loaner, rental, or new car with Tesla your profile and settings carry over including whatever temp you had set and the music you were last listening to (music and temp also applies to Tesla Robotaxi). There’s lots more that’s just what I can think of immediately
Lmao, the charge port presenting its hole was too much for you
The odds of your phone being stolen and unlocked are low
I’ve noticed it’ll stay on if you merge to a lane that becomes a turn lane, which is helpful !
But how wld they open phone w/o facial id to know that? I mean I don’t have to have phone open for Tesla to unlock if I came up but is this a thing where people in unlikely event steal a phone & then walk car to car to find Tesla? Other cars you still have touch something .
I don’t know how you’ve been so unlucky.
Simplistic ownership. You just get in and go. Straight forward software. Straight forward service. Straight forward charging network. And of course FSD wins hands down. Have watched too many videos to solidify this choice. I even lived the early AP1 days. It has come so far and only getting better.
Agreed. My Rivian does practically everything that is being mentioned about Tesla except the FSD. Of course I was not cross shopping a MY and an R1T. Two completely different vehicles. My experience for the last year with a Gen2 R1T has been rock-solid.
I always like Lucid more than Tesla but after driving a Tesla and seeing their supercharger network grow I went all in on Tesla. But if FSD didn't exist, I probably wouldn't even have an EV. Although now that I've had one I do like the driving experience more than an ice or phev.
Maybe it is because I live in a major metropolitan area, but I’ve been lucky enough to never run across a Tesla charger I couldn’t use. They’ve always been super convenient.
Biggest issue was the charging network. With the opening up of the supercharger network, not as much anymore. Rivian definitely has a lot of things that it does better than tesla and I'd definitely consider the R2 in the future if the reviews are good.
Everything about a Tesla is well known by now: the good, the things people want to see improved, service experience, apps, FSD. Grok, navigation. And the charging network, too. An EV on a road trip is only as good as the charging experience. It's like comparing a Honda Civic to a new car model by a new manufacturer with very little track record. Other brands historically haven't measured up. Going Rivian or Lucid is fine, but a bit like willing to be the guinea pig. I'm not saying don't be adventurous and try the new car, I'm just answering your question.
I haven’t experienced many trips to the Rivian service center except for a recall and a 7500 mile maintenance visit. I am definitely spoiled considering the service center is an 8 minute drive from my office.
I would love that feature. Just as a flex.
I don't need to unlock my phone to get in and drive my car. It can stay in my pocket (or the thief's pocket). I think if you stole my phone, you can take my car, too.
I mean you don’t have to deal with a stealership for a rivian or lucid either.
After having a Tesla and rivian. I’ll take the rivian again.
But they can't get into your phone. At least not my phone. The car would let them get in and drive, though. I think someone would have to know you have a Tesla. Like they watched you drive into a restaurant and then targeted you. If you stole a phone and somehow new the person had a Tesla, but not which one, you could go to each Tesla in the parking lot and stand behind it to see if the rear hatch opened.
Are you talking about Tesla? They recently made the top 10 list of most reliable cars in the US. I mean, Buick is still one step above them and it's....Buick... so it's not the best club to belong to but it beats the hell out of being in the bottom three of the list of I think it was 27 automakers like they used to be.
Software, design, driving dynamics, storage space. There's so much to like. It's the complete package. For the love of God I wish it had a larger battery though. My number 1 complaint and it's not even close.
I thought you needed a membership and also pay higher rates?
This is a personal preference but for me, the acceleration of the performance model for the price is just sooooo nice and as far as I’m aware that acceleration:price ratio is unbeaten anywhere
It’s like driving an iPhone. Everything else feels like a Nokia after.
My Chevy EV does 95% of these things.
I have 2 teslas. I know. I’m saying this is more difficult for those that don’t have a Tesla since the infrastructure doesn’t exist for them like us.
My 5 year old non ev bmw can do all of this lol. Car locks itself when you walk away?? My 2017 civic does this lmao.
The whoopie cushion!
Software. Safety. Camp mode. Dog mode.
Fsd if money is no concern.
I went tesla over other ev's partly because I was sick of dealing with getting my ICE car serviced. Such a hassle to arrange around work and driving kids. No scheduled servicing with tesla.
I wish my y can do that. I have accidentally left door open in the public a few times. By the time I noticed the notification on my phone it was almost an hour passed.
fsd and price obviously
Efficiency over R1S. Not sure about Lucids yet
I tell people this all the time the driving experience is bar none the greatest in history… the Tesla interface and user experience is just perfection…..
Cheap. Got my gently used 2022 Model 3 LR with 34K miles for 20K. Price to performance, Rivian or Lucid could not beat. Not sure if I’d buy new though.
I was this close to getting a Rivian before getting my Cybertruck. For me, it’s the software, network infrastructure, and buying experience. The software is more mature and intuitive than that of other EVs in the US. I heard that China is ahead, though. Supercharging network makes travel a breeze. FSD is also ahead in the US market and continues to improve over time. The overall driving experience and safety features are what made me pick Tesla back in 2020, and the reason remains the same. I do think Elon has tarnished the company's image with his involvement in politics and some of the crazy things he says on X.
I have a Tesla and a Chevy EV. There are way more compatible superchargers than not, for the Chevy. Only the oldest ones aren't compatible. We road trip in the Chevy and end up doing most of our charging at Tesla chargers.
I wouldn’t buy a rivian thanks to the Bezos partnership. I can’t in good faith support an evil billionaire whose values don’t align with American values
As many people said, software and how well everything works. I hear so many horror stories about other cars and it's always something software related. But if other cars get just as good fsd like Tesla then I would be open to other car companies but until then Tesla is the only choice for me.
I have both Tesla M3 and Rivian R1T Rivian wins on everything except FSD and video games
for non-Tesla EVs only older slower chargers are unavailable. I don’t want to use those anyway. My Rivian’s mapping shows all Tesla and non Tesla fast chargers, and rates them by price, reliability, and speed. It even prefers towing friendly chargers when I’m towing My Tesla doesn’t show any thing but Tesla, which are often more expensive than the other chargers in the area
Availability in Europe.
Or just jump out of the car for quick stop and then someone jumps in and drives off. Rest area, charging stations.
When I lived in the SF Bay Area, thieves were savvy enough to know they could break the small C-pillar window to get into the trunk, and steal laptops. I hope thieves don't get so knowledgeable about these cars elsewhere. And I think most other EVs have keys or dongles. That said, they can steal your phone and your car but any other phone connected to the car can put it into valet mode and track it. I believe if you report it stolen to the mothership they can also help you. You're right if someone stole my phone they could take my car, even if the phone was locked. But they'd have to know which car is mine, the controls wouldn't work unless the phone is unlocked.
I really want to get a different brand of EV for my next car. But FSD and the software experience are kind of keeping me stuck here. Don't know what I'm going to do when my the s lease is up
Oh boy
Tesla looks the best from your list. Software. Integration.
Software, charging network
*Automatic blinker not available with HW3.
Those sexy doors on the Model X. Love my friend’s Lucid but the doors on my X are amazing. The Lucid and Rivian are great but just don’t have the ‘fun’ factor that I have with my Tesla.
FSD is what did it for me but Tesla has iterated their models more than others on the market. I was happy the model 3 refresh came when I was looking to buy.
I might consider Lucid or Rivian if they have the same number/concentration of service centers as Tesla. I can’t swallow the poison pill that you pay $100k premium then need to drive 3-hr round trip to get service. That’s a significant downgrade dispite their cars have better interior and finish.
Lmao
Wish it would use the camera for facial recognition
True but cops would know exactly where the car is and arrest them
There was the new vw van and nobody bought it
That is a simple option you can enable in nav preferences
Don't forget there is a significant risk of Rivian, Lucid or both going out of business and you being stuck with an unsupported paper weight
Chinese EVs aren't coming to the U.S. in our lifetimes, regardless of who becomes president in the future, unless they want to be a one-term president.
Without multiple additional stock dilution and fundraising neither Rivian nor Lucid have a chance at financial survival. Even if their next generation of cars sells reasonably well, they are so behind the eight ball financially. It's going to take an unrealistic factor of hope for investors to keep pumping money in. They are both five plus years away from true levels of autonomy that Tesla has now proven, regardless of PowerPoints and slideshows.
You could always go back to your Prius or Volvo.
Ah yes, you're correct, mixed up my generations.
Reliability👌
Lucid is more expensive and not old enough for me. :D FSD is something I won't use really
If they removed all the Elon, like zero Elon, I might buy again. Of course the board would have to go as well. They shouldn't have a problem with that since they have cashed out already.
Unfortunately, not the whole network is open. There are still lots of superchargers that only work with Teslas due to older technology limitations. I’m sure they’ll update them eventually though.
I was set on a rivian until I watched a YouTube video that really broke down the differences between rivian and Teslas approach - I forget the name of the video now but the guy really systematically broke down how much more efficient teslas are and ultimately I realized that while I like the “look” of a boxy SUV it just doesn’t make sense from a design perspective. It wasn’t just the aero though it was everything about the cars from the battery efficiency to other onboard electronics that basically cemented for me how far ahead Tesla is (was at the time at least) and made me commit to Tesla
Tesla’s Supercharger network in the U.S. is massive—about 2,967 locations with 36,000+ charging stalls, most with 8–40 stalls, though some newer sites have 100+. Tesla also operates over half of all fast-charging ports in the country. Reliability is a big difference compared to third-party chargers. Supercharger uptime is reported around 99.9–99.95%, while studies show about 14% of non-Tesla DC fast-charging attempts fail due to broken hardware, payment issues, or communication errors.
Depends on the list and metrics. Some places only rate based on a brand new car. Some only use the first 2-3 years Most will use a wider range of data. Consumer reports uses the entire age of the car and only asks tesla owners. And Tesla owners rate Tesla 26/26 for reliability. (the lowest) TUV in Germany uses professional mechanics who also rate Tesla based on safety inspections. And said tesla is low on the list for reliability. JD Power uses a wide array as well. Using reported issues from various sources. With Tesla scoring 28/32 for most issues reported. WarrantyWise tracks warranty claims and found the volume of claims and cost of claims are higher than the average car. Consumer affairs tracks owner complaints of reliability and marks Tesla as being low on the list. And a few others. It is simply a known fact in the industry Tesla is not a reliable car overall. Keep in mind This is only against other cars. So in a bubble it is still an ok car. It is just less reliable than most other brands. Also there are other metrics not taken into consideration. for example Comparing Tesla to a Lexus. The Lexus will be MUCH more relable. BUT the few problems a Lexus will hve will cost more than a Tesla with many issues. Cost of ownership of a Lexus For Repairs is 25-50% more vs Tesla. This is cause Teslas will have dozens of medium and small issues. While Lexus will tend to have a few large expensive issues. So there are all kinds of ways to look at the data and judge for yourself. And obviously not everyone is going to have the "Average" experience. Some owners will own a Tesla with no issues and some will own a Lexus with constant issues.
No stalk on some.
Better software, in general. But the two you are “asiding” are pretty big ones to overlook.
They are in two very different categories of risk on that front.
I have 2, one has been to service center many times, the other I don't think any had mobile tech come out for some stuff. Hopefully we are through most of the issues and it can be smooth sailing to 300..
All those ratings you mention are old data mostly referencing long term reliability for models prior to 2022. \------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tesla's reliability has shown a sharp, split trend as of late 2025: new Tesla models (specifically Model 3 and Y) are rated among the most reliable EVs, rising to 9th in Consumer Reports' 2025 new-car brand rankings. However, older Teslas (5-10 years old) ranked last in 2025, or 26th out of 26 brands, for long-term/used reliability. ............................................................**Top Performers:** The Model 3 and Model Y are highlighted as highly reliable, with the *Model Y ranked as the most reliable electric SUV.* **Key Takeaways** * **Newer is Better:** Data suggests that Teslas produced after 2021 are significantly more reliable than earlier models. * **Component Focus:** While the electric motors and battery packs are generally robust, early-model quality control regarding panels, paint, and electronics was a major pain point. * **Overall Standing:** iSeeCars rated Tesla's overall 2026 reliability for electric vehicles at 7.9/10, placing them as a top-tier brand for EV reliability. For the record, I've never been a huge fan of Tesla and only bought one because of FSD so I'm definitely not a blind follower or fan. But they have definitely improved their quality, reliability, and their FSD doesn't seem to crash itself into emergency vehicles as often anymore. If you dig deeper and look at specific models you will find that the current Model Y is almost twice as reliable as the Lexus NX plug-in hybrid and BMW X3. It also scored almost three times as reliable as a Honda Prologue. The model that kills Tesla's overall reliability rating is the CyberTruck which is apparently a dog and plagued with problems. But the Y is the most reliable EV SUV/CUV in the US market right now.
When I bought ours.. It was charging network (now it's shared that is less of a concern), software, storage. The y is not a very large car but it's has buckets of storage. Which if you look at the id4 or Mach e (similar priced and target audience) they don't stack up..
That is a good point for sure. But there is no way to tell if those cars will still be reliable as they age. And the sad truth is many cars that are reliable for the first 3-5 years are often not still reliable as they get older. I do hope tesla has improved. But onyl time will tell. We cannot infer that 2021 being reliable so far = will still be reliable as it ages. This si why I purchased a 2021 BTW. But I know that early reliability in no way equates to total reliability. I took a bet on 2021 and I do hope it will last me. But the data says this is unlikely.
I wrote thief or joker, Thief scenario - if some saw you get out of your parked car and then purposely stole your phone to steal your car. Joker scenario - you are at a friend’s house or out at a bar or gathering. Someone grabs your phone ( instead of your keys) and moves your car or takes it for a joyride. Having a Pin Code applied on your Tesla prevents anyone from moving your car. You can also set the glovebox to only be opened with a Pin Code
Supercharging network and better market penetration. Tesla is probably not at financial distress compared to other companies and less likely to go under.
>Shoot. Even the turn signals know when to turn off depending on the maneuver. This isnt unique to Tesla though. My 2015 BMW did the same thing. The user experience in Tesla is good and very polished, that was one reason I got a second one, but there are a decent number of things on Teslas that people think are great that are readily available on other cars.
The Tesla app unlocks your Tesla and you can drive without a Pin Code without unlocking your phone. It’s seamless like a key fob in a pocket or purse. As long as the phone is within range of the car and BlueTooth is active, it will work seamless as designed.
It will become less important in the next several years as each model adopts NACS and Tesla upgrades older stations to 250KW.
For me, the question is irrelevant… I’d sooner do without AC than not have FSD. If I could get a Cadillac Escalade, or a Lexus RX, or Corvette, etc with FSD, I MIGHT think about it. But until then, I’m not parting with my Cybertruck.
For me (3yrs ago) it was access to Super Chargers AND the range of the vehicle. FSD is a hard pass.
Software and charging are the only reasons I am staying with Tesla, although company decisions by Musk makes me less willing to stay each passing year. Really rooting for Nvidia to come out with a viable competitor and for Lucid to right its ship. Tesla is in dire need of competition in the US.
I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. Charging was my reason 3 years ago but, if I was to get another EV right now, might be a Rivian. The fact that they get really close to the distance they say is incredible to me because I bought a Long Range and I still have to stop at the same chargers on a road trip that a non LR has to and I find that odd.
Superchargers.
I think Rivian has way better user experience, UI, driving experience than Tesla. Whenever I sit in a Tesla - I feel like I am going to puke.
I know Tesla software is 100% rock solid. I’ve heard Rivian and Lucid is not. Also, Tesla’s software has numerous safety features. Idk if Rivian or Lucid has the same safety features.
All the models we're discussing have already adopted it though. So fro this conversation charging network really isn't an advantage any more. Arguably its advantage Lucid since it has access to the vast majority of Tesla chargers that would matter and can get in and out of them faster with more range.
yes, that's true, unless the app is turned off on your phone. if they steal your phone and don't know you have a tesla, they can't control your car to identify it or unlock it... unless the lock screen widgets work
With both Lucid and Rivian, you really don't know if they will be around in a couple of years.
For the record, this is identical to the Rivian experience.
and opening for you when you walk up it also closes itself when you get in and press the brake
Love them all. Lucid is beautiful. But beware the Solvency issues there. :-(. I don’t think it will end as Fiskar did but needs due diligence
>I took a bet on 2021 and I do hope it will last me. But the data says this is unlikely. You can always trade it in toward a Juniper!! I tend to keep cars for 3 to 5 years so hopefully the Juniper I just bought will still be in good shape by that time.
Right but Tesla hasn’t even upgraded half of the superchargers. It’s certainly getting better, but it’s not there yet.
I am an 8+ year type of car owner who also only buys used cars. Thus why those studies that only measure early reliability are useless to me. A lot will depend how well this one holds up and how service treats me. If if has a lot of issues then I will have less trust for the future reliability of Juniper/Highland.
Same here lol. I went twice for control arm issues.
They have bin around longer then the other two. They have had time to work out all of the little kinks and make sure there are very few issues.
18+ months in to having a pre-owned 2021 Model 3 and so far I've: * Rotated the tires * Swapped summer tires/rims for winter tires/rims and back again That's it. I bought a cabin air filter, will likely swap that in the next few weeks. No wiper changes or wiper fluid top-off yet.
Agree on all these points except the windshield wipers 😭
Reliability of the cars and reliability and prevalence of the charging network.
I don't own a Tesla right now, but the dealership experience (or lack thereof) when I bought my model 3 is enough to make me consider another one in the future.
In summary. If you've used both Apple and Android...from a user experience, ease of use, integration of software and hardware with regard to things just working properly, smoothly, accessories (charging) connecting seamlessly etc.... Tesla is apple and the others are Android.
There is something of an, "apart from that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" about this question…! Luxury is a good answer, except I happen to like the minimalism of my M3 and regard it as "premium" in its own way: I do not view not having buttons all over the place as a negative, at all.
Which model, year and trim is your Tesla
Charging network .
Oh yeah, our 22 MY suspension feels that one haha
It sounds like I may need to test drive one
Rivian may be the next electric vehicle for me.
Local service.
Less risk with a Tesla when it comes to long term repairs and maintenance since rivian and lucid are earlier in their path to becoming a profitable/sustainable company. Car companies have to sell a lot of cars continuously to recoup huge upfront costs in factories.
We got our 1st tesla 7 years ago and went all ev in 2023 with the model y. Our experience has been so trouble-free with these cars it would be hard to switch. Really just 1 set of tires each, a new 12v in the 2019 m3, and I swapped the cabin air filters. Costs us about 6 bucks to fill up in the garage. We've done 30k+ miles in road trips over the years up and down the east coast from FL to VT a bunch of times and as far west as Dallas. It has been a wonderful experience
Yes. Other than the Model S, they're fugly.
#1 reason - Supercharging network. #2 reason - Software / software updates.
But that could be prevented…with a pin to drive. Simple.
Long term, who will be in Business?/…
Dog mode.
Do you know how it worked? Surely it had to be time based or amount of steering wheel turn. I feel Tesla is using the Vision to determine when the maneuver is complete. ex: Moving over 1 or two lanes without adjusting the steering wheel. It also knows if I keep the wheel straight and change lange with the curvature of the road.
Software, FSD, one pedal driving (perfection), charging, etc
More reliable too when you filter out the phony OTA software update “recalls.”
I will never forget this depiction
Software and reliability are crucial factors. While Rivian and Lucid are promising, I don’t believe they can match Tesla’s reliability.
“Open butthole” is a working voice command for a reason
I’ve only driven Tesla EV’s. I hear that the software in other cars is buggy.
The technology in the Tesla is superior to any vehicle on the road, EV or Gas.
First - Lucid and Rivian have some compelling designs and features - and I want both of them to succeed as profitable companies manufacturing cars in Illinois, Arizona, and Georgia. As a long-time EV owner of various Tesla models (and R2 reservation holder), I would say that these are relative strengths of Tesla, and areas where Rivian and Lucid need to catch up: * Service wait times : service appointment wait times should be measured in DAYS, not weeks, not months. Of course, this is region-specific - but I have the feeling that Rivian service isn't ready to provide a great service experience for the (hopefully large) wave of R2 customers * Profitability : each additional sale should be positive for the bottom line, not negative. Lucid is dependent on the Saudi PIF for staying afloat amid losses. Rivian is dependent on VW funding for staying afloat until R2/R3 can scale to profitability. VW's ownership of Rivian is similar to the percentage of Tesla that Elon owns ( around 13%-ish ), and VW's support will face more scrutiny as VW faces its own business headwinds.
Price and technology.
That must be new, it is good to know it exists, I'll go find it. I used to tinker with the Tesla settings, but since I got the Rivian, my daughter now drives the Tesla, and I don't poke around as much. Still an amazing car, but it's no Rivian ;)
Can you elaborate?
I spend too much time watching movies and working on social media while the car drives me. That I wouldn't even want a free Bentley at this point unless it had FSD. Yes I know technically it's illegal but I've been observing this stuff daily for about three years and it has reached far superior to human driver safety levels now.
We own a Model 3 and Rivian R1S. There is functionally no difference in these described user experiences. Both let you just hop in and hit the brake to drive (with phone key, or watch), both precondition to your schedule, both lock automatically when you walk away, both offer plug-and-charge. Both have VERY good software experiences, navigation, battery management, etc for road trips (IMO the Rivian is the better road trip vehicle - it's just better on the road in general). \*edit\* - I'm aware it SHOULD be better... it's more money.
True, but like on a phone, pin locking/unlocking is annoying. I hope Tesla can figure out how to use the camera to securely determine who is in the drivers seat (and prevent a child/kid from doing something stupid after getting ahold of a parents phone)
FSD was my reason
This perfectly describes driving a rivian as well.
The rivian is a 7 seat SUV that can ford 3’ of water, and has an air suspension that can give you over 15” of clearance and can legitimately off-road and tow, there’s the more money part….
This thread is really interesting to me, lots of Tesla people thinking their car’s features are unique to Telsa
Totally agree. I was just pointing out that those exclusive benefits of Tesla software (which are great!) are no longer exclusive.
Dog Mode
Stalks? We don't need no stinking stalks. (2024 M3 owner)
You can stand in an empty parking lot wondering where your car is. But at least you’re not annoyed. They can clone NFC from your phone, they can figure how to remove your phone from access to the car. Now you can’t track it. A pin takes 2 seconds to enter.
They’re the iphone of EVs. They work simply and well, they’re common (where I’m from), and supposedly good for the environment?
You see how everything now seems to be a copy of Tesla's UI? All the Chinese brands, even Rivian copies the Tesla formula. Heck, even the CEO seems to be following in Elon's footsteps (car company, now robot company). Thats the biggest hint that Tesla is doing things right. Also, you've got supercharger network (with better pricing), reliability (aside from early years the cars seem highly reliable), safety, software updates, other features...you get it all, everything is vertically integrated and makes day to day experience so perfect.
True that. I also drive a rivian R1S and think it’s the greatest car ever
PRICE$$$🤑🤑💵💰💲💳
Charging network. Albeit it’s available to others at a higher price
Sometimes a company’s values just align better with yours. Some people really identify with Tesla’s values.
Aside from the charging cord thing, my Mach e does all of those things.
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