Electrification fee??!! What the hell is that?? They push hard here for clean energy and buy electric and then they tax you to make up for the money lost from gas taxes. What sleeeze balls. They gonna get there money regardless. What a joke.
Yeah, it's insane and infuriating. I get that we don't pay gas tax, but I pay 400% more tax driving electric than I did driving gas. Politics are crazy.
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Yeah you need to pay taxes to drive on the roads. The only way around this is a mileage tax
It’s designed to make up for them not being able to get the taxes on fuel that goes toward roads and what not
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This must be used as that excise tax is a fraction of what I was quoted when I moved here.
There a big truck tax?
Yet we had roads before this tax.
Man, I’m moving back in a few years. Those sin taxes are real. Frak me. Let me clarify I agree with EV fines I’m paying 295 a year in Tx.
Less than NH
Yeah there's tax on gas...
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What do you mean? Texas has something similar.
And I thought $300 for NJ was bad lol
Ouch
Model Y is no more heavy than any standard mid to full size SUV.
I still save much more money driving an ev. Just got this in the mail and venting. 😣
Tf, UT have worse, despite EV are helping everyone lessen the inversion during winter. But sure, blame the Dems
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Thank you for your Donation.
Just be happy your registration isn’t 1200 like California
lol yep I can relate we run a business in the “income tax free state of Washington” and the excise tax is wicked and on gross amounts
Alabama charges these too, but no one knows where it goes. Some of these roads haven’t been maintained in decades.
What's the math to back that up?
>UT have worse It costs me $350 to register my Model Y in Utah county. Less than half of what OP paid.
Not a comparable amount of tax though when compared to the $225 charge.
Bro the government was taxing gas for like 100 years now
For how long? Six years again?
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Same in Cali..
Don't forget the car tabs you have to pay yearly.
Yeah it sucks. You often end up paying more in “make up” gas tax and then you would with an equivalent gas car.
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Ya its unfortunately pretty common for all states now to charge an extra fee or tax to make up for the "lose of gas vehicles". The politicians that still drive gas vehicles think that electric vehicles were a way for owners to avoid paying taxes so to counter it, they literally just made a law so that they can charge electric vehicle owners too. Many tesla owners have posted many documents and videos online stating that its almost equal to own a battery vs gas engine vehicle. Doesn't matter the parts maintenance cost, the gas/electricity price rate, the mpg/mpkw, the annual state cost. It all breaks down to near the same. Basically the only reason to own a electric vs gas, is is whether you want to feel like you're doing the world good by using less gas and to have heated seats in your closed garage during the winter
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It doesn’t. Washington has a 55 cent/gal tax on gas. 12,000 miles a year on a 30 mpg vehicle is $220 in gas tax, about the same as this exactly. I guess if you don’t drive much at all, it’s true, but 12k is probably fairly average. That being said, I wish states wouldn’t do this to help incentivize EV adoption.
Backs up in Texas at least. I'd have to drive my old V8 challenger 20,000 miles annually, and pay the attached fuel tax on gas, to match the $200 tacked on fee for EVs. They pick a random number and approve it, they didn't do any research.
Every day I park next to a coworker with 2015 tabs. 11 years of not paying a dime, while I shell out $730 a year. Makes me think I'm a sucker.
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I’d guess ration from taking avg of gas tax and ev fees
I’m not okay with EV fines, my Texas EV renewal was only $200🤨
*Excise* tax? That is used to discourage behaviors like burning gasoline, or booze and cigarettes. Texas is only 200 flat fee, and they call it what it is, highway use, as I'm not paying road maintenance tax at the gas pump like others. I can see the "Electrification" might be to make up the loss of pump tax, but the Excise of 382 is "outrageous, egregious, preposterous!!". Some roads here are toll roads and you pay on those as you use them.
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Not income tax-free for long: https://komonews.com/news/local/house-finance-committee-advances-millionaires-tax-bill-to-full-vote-washington-millionaires-tax-vote-legislative-session-new-income-tax-washington-state It's a "millionaire's tax" today, but when the amount raised is disappointing (caused by, surprise, millionaires fleeing the state, the people who by definition can pull up stakes and leave the most easily) it'll be extended to everyone else. Same thing happened in New York and California.
#Montana
$5 donation?
My 2025 Model X registration in AZ was $1422 this last month if it makes you feel any better.
My wife’s gas guzzler cost less than $200 in WA, my 2 Tesla’s cost 7x that amount.
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Is this once a year?
For people that work from home and don't take their cars on vacations, it's considerably more expensive. My father drives maybe 3,000 miles a year. Basically, just to the grocery store. He still has to pay a $300 electrification tax. The funny part is he lives on the outskirts of his county and mainly drives in a different county. But he is taxed at his house county. So the county is getting way more from him than they ever would from a gas car.
1255$ this year for my 2026 Model Y. Luckily got it waived being Military in MN.
When your registration fees count as a damn near monthly payment...
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Lived in Alabama for 20 years, no one ever knows lol
Do they actually use this for roads? Or so they can buy a new Porsche
We voted for $30 car tabs 3 times. I encourage civil disobedience by way of not paying for your tabs. The tickets are less than the cost of renewing
I drive 28k ish miles a year in Texas in my Tesla so your math makes me feel a little better about it. Just renewed registration
Come to Nebraska, you will be shocked
Salt Lake county adds a $230 annual registration fee as well, and yet, there’s signage all throughout the valley about carpooling and reducing smog. Seems backwards to me and doesn’t encourage people to make the switch from ICE.
Same in California but now we are going to pay per mile on top of it. Probably going to sell both Teslas. Just doesn’t make sense anymore in some of these states.
It's for all EVs. It is intended to cover the lack of gas tax EV contribute. Gas tax is supposed to be used for maintaining roads. I'd rather pay your EV registration fees and get zero state income tax like you get in Washington than lower registration fees but state income tax that I get in NY.
We have to pay for the roads we drive on....roads that are improved and maintained by taxes on gasoline. Those that whine about this are freeloaders. So, when I register my Model Y this year, I'll pony up just like everyone else....it's only fair.
Yeah, gas tax on 15 mpg.
Do you think the roads get built and maintained for free? Who is going to pay for the suburban sprawl for which is the primary development over the last 70 years in Western WA?
I was wondering when CA would enter the chat.... LOL
well at least your electricity is cheap!
11% tax on first 100k of a car purchase 11% plus 8% on the next 100k of a car purchase Unconstitutional tabs add and annual hit Maybe a gas guzzler tax Then hit at the pump with very high use tax Then toll on every freeway and bridge Am I missing any? Wanna make sure i do my part.
Kansas has the same. You’re far from alone. Infuriating.
Man I just had to pay mine last week in Kansas. $1300 is rough
As a WA resident I've come to terms with this with this since I use the roads with heavier car, and don't pay a gas tax that helps repair maintain them. I'm outside the RTA zone that has those additional taxes so I've been spared the absolutely brutal fees especially with a Plaid with those fees being based on depreciated value.
Is this every year or two? Does the excise reduce as your vehicle gets older?
They should charge based on miles driven and vehicle weight. It ain't hard. ICE and EV
Let me start of by saying that I currently (only) own a gas car. Gas taxes should serve two purposes - a) pay for roads, b) internalize the negative externality of as gas pollution, particularly in cities. EV usage taxes (well, since usage taxes don't exist, let's approximate with registration fees) should only pay for roads. As such, EV taxes should be drastically lower than gas taxes.
If they live in the Seattle area, the excise tax was voted on to pay for our light rail build out. There’s no income tax and property tax is low.
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Better than Virginia Property Taxes!
The electrification fee is to make up for the gas tax for road maintenance.
Yes, that can be true and it can also be true that these taxes are a disincentive for electric vehicles, which is not desirable.
I agree in concept but - in execution; the idea of the govt tracking my car via GPS is not thrilling.
Just paid $92 for my wife’s 2025 Model Y in Florida
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense especially since these are more liberal states.
It’s outrageous here.
Yup ~$1000 per year
The hacky workaround would just be to read the odometer. I know that would charge people for driving out of state but I still prefer that to a flat tax that is meaningless
No one talks about insane oil and gas subsidies - direct and… otherwise.
still bullshit. if they're gonna charge flat rate to EVs, they should charge all cars this same flat rate. it's garbage that petrol pays based on gallons pumped.. and EVs have to pay for an entire year and can't even declare how many miles they'll be on the road. just make it equivalent for all vehicles on the road.
Donation 🙃
A mandatory donation? Can that even be considered a donation at that point?
just charge every vehicle an annual fee at registration/renewal. they're fine with this for EV, so level the playing field.
how do they calculate the fee? seems absurd people are willing to accept this without arguing equality for all vehicles on the road. if they're gonna charge some cars, charge all of them and stop taxing at the pump.
It's a solid blue state, most are like this crazy taxes on everything.
If you can afford a Tesla, you can afford paying taxes on it. Yes, we need policies to promote EV use and promote renewable energy. But there are other cheaper EVs if taxes are a deal breaker.
380 in Oregon….
Just a reminder for everyone!!! April 15th is Donation Day for the IRS!
It’s a tax to make back up the road tax we don’t pay by pumping gas. Pretty standard, it’s in red states too. Also Minnesota.
Gotta pay for road maintenance somehow.
All states charge extra for loss on gas tax.
This post is about Washington though
Nah they wouldn’t do that because they get more money this way
Less than CA
God damn that’s a fat excise tax 😂😂. How much debt do they have lmao
Actually, in Virginia we have the option of paying by mileage with a limit up to the flat EV tax, which is based on driving ~13k miles. I only drive around 6-8k per year so I choose the mileage option.
I don’t mind paying road taxes to use the road, I have an issue paying road taxes to drive on bumpy ass roads
Jesus H Fucking Crispy Crippled Christ on a cross. You made a $5 donation?
What's the excise and electrification tax for?
This an option in Virginia. You can pay by your mileage with the limit being the base tax rate.
Amen
Insurance likely won’t cover a car that has lapsed registration, if people think insurance won’t find any reason to deny a claim they’re delusional. Chances are they don’t have their car insured either, though.
These taxes neither promote EVs nor create barriers nor should they. They are simply the price paid to have roads to drive yer damn car on, EV or not. The way to encourage EV adoption is up front, which the Biden administration did as well as a lot of other countries around the world. So, if you think you're above paying your fair share for the roads you use daily, be it via EV or ICE, a little honest introspection is in order.
Annual.
Exactly. The state should 100% be leading the EV charge instead of hampering it. It has so many different aspects that make owning an EV a smart choice. •Washington State is in the top 3 for most expensive gas prices (top 2 if you don't include Hawaii.) •Washington State is also the 4th cheapest state when it comes to cost of electricity. •Washington State is also decently large in size, while also being fairly sparsely populated, or at least compared to other states that have a few major cities (just for context, WA state has almost the exact same population density as Texas, which is know being being big and spread out.) •The most populated city in the state is located on a narrow isthmus, so land is at a premium, which in turn causes more people to move farther away from where they work (Seattle is 12th in longest average commute and is the 5th worst when it comes to congestion.) •65% of Washington states energy comes from Hydro/hydropower. That was a huge selling point a while back when EV haters would argue in bad faith that EVs are just powered by fossil fuels (totally ignores its on a state by state basis and that there are many other positive facotora like differences in efficiencies.) I drive over 120 miles a day and switching to an EV has dramatically improved my life/living standard. Also, I know we are just comparing taxes on EVs vs Taxes on ICE vehicles, but the amount of money I am saving on my EV vs my old gas car is huge (roughly $300-400 a month.)
The grifters and fraudsters need to get their money from somewhere.. Washington state has a spending and fraud problem not a revenue problem.
Same in AZ. FL is like $25 😭
6,600 South Carolina
I hate that we pay huge EV tax to make up for gas tax. I don’t actually have to drive that much. I pay way more through this tax than I ever would in gas
Why don't you want to help pay for the roads that YOU use???
You should want a ev because it's better Not because you get out of paying for roads that YOU use
google says it's party of their sales tax when buying the car.
That’s insane . Its robbery
Except many states double dip. I pay sales tax on electricity at home and on the road. I also pay EV registration fees.
It's terrible. Buy evs but we will over tax you.
just be glad you don’t live in king county, otherwise you pay another 600 per year for the light rail.
Exactly, the negative externality alone should be **\~US$1.88/gal**, which is way less than the current gas tax, based on the Canadian government's published [Social cost of greenhouse gas emissions](https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/climate-change/science-research-data/social-cost-ghg.html) of **CA$275/ton of CO2** in 2026 in C$2021
OR they know how to do math and know they (ev owners) are getting scammed
I’m happy to pay for the mileage I drive, but even in Texas with my mileage, I am grossly overpaying. The current system is designed to drive people away from Evs
They really took that tip by force huh
This is just high tax states running these charges up to ludicrous annual amounts. Some states charge much lower amounts and plenty of states don’t charge anything extra. I don’t pay anything more than a gas driver would.
We had a small EV, a gas SUV, and a 2 door gas car. We'd choose the sensible car depending on how many people needed to go where. When we did the math, it was cheaper to just buy more gas for the SUV and get rid of the EV. Obviously we're still driving the same number of miles total, just polluting more. But it ended up being cheaper. I'm looking forward to odometer based taxes. Hopefully they also include the weight of the car as a factor if they really mean it's for road maintenance and repair.
how do you/they determine mileage?
That’s less than what I paid in CA.
The original data that ECCC (Environment and Climate Change Canada) has adopted from the [EPA Report on the Social Cost of Greenhouse Gases](https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2023-12/epa_scghg_2023_report_final.pdf) (pg. 10) |Year|SC-CO2 (US$2020/metric ton)| |:-|:-| |2020|$190| |2030|$230| |2040|$270| |2050|$310| |2060|$350| |2070|$380| |2080|$410|
Loving no state income tax also?
I don't think that's true, got a link?
Others have done a nice job pointing out the negative externalities of burning gasoline and why it should be taxed higher than what we’re forced to pay, but I’ll also add that cars don’t do much road damage. It’s semis, construction trucks, and other large and heavy vehicles that actually stress road surfaces. Cars really don’t do shit. So they’re the freeloaders under your argument but heaven forbid we tax companies more to pay for it.
Someone has to pay for the roads. ICE vehicles pay via gasoline tax. EVs have to pay via taxes at registration each year. The average American driving an ICE car is paying about $300 a year in gasoline tax.
I used to live in Seattle and followed all of this very closely, and this is all exactly right. Amen to all of this.
That $5 donation fee is a deal breaker.
Cheaper than California
In Utah you can opt to pay an amount per mile driven
Just don’t pay it, WSP won’t pull you over anyway.
I paid 1700 last year and 1460 this year for a 2021 Plaid in NV. They go off original msrp (143K).
There are options for state parks and medical donor awareness. Nothing mandatory.
In Utah you can opt for a miles based option.
Switch to the usage program, I’m only costing like $50/ year instead of $230. Unless you drive a ton in which case the fee of $230 is fair since you don’t pay a gas tax.
My M3 market value is $15k and they ask me to pay $760 for tabs. 🥲I did not want to but may need to skip renewing this year…
They should definitely be doing odometer checks and per mile rates, the blanket fees are disgusting and regressive.
Just register your car in another state and the. The problem is solved. Just like Hawaii nobody asked for the rail
Didn't Washington State vote for 30 dollar tabs?
Cost the same in California
Ex washingtonian now living in Alabama it’s pretty bad here too. $650 per Tesla. And an additional $22 each because I don’t want an ugly ass plate design.
wait til you find out many states tax your income and and then also tax you when you spend it 🤯
In the UK we were encouraged to purchase EV cars to avoid tolls and (VED). The uptake obviously proved too popular and they introduced a yearly tax of £195. It was then announced in last year’s budget that we would receive a pay per mile charge of circa £300 based on average yearly mileage of 10k. In London and certain Home Counties, we already have parking toll prices based on emissions and a new additional charge is in place via the LB of Lambeth regarding vehicles that overhang traditional parking bays. There is also talk regarding councils charging residents a tax for crossing kerbs to access their driveways. It’s just a matter of time before a tyre particulate tax based on vehicle weight comes into play, as recent articles have stated that’s even more damaging than petrol/diesel emissions.
That's it? Mine was 1250 in 2023.
Just paid $1,629.78 for 2 year AZ renewal on my M3P.
Donation? Is this voluntary?
Almost identical in CA…thankfully I have 100% VA disability, so CA will pay for one of my registrations and I get a DV plate…better believe I put that on the Tesla because $750 is ridiculous…
Curious, is this a registration on a new car or something that needs to be paid each year?
This is what we call a blue state.
You can deduct registration fees from your taxes. The gas tax is not deductible.
Yeahhh it's BS. They are penalizing you for driving electric. Pisses me off because this money just lines the politicians and corrupt ass contracts the state has with their partners.
Maybe a little of that money will go to fixing roads. The rest of it is going to line a politicians or state contractors pockets.
It makes perfect sense when you factor in these politicians and state contractors are lining their pockets with our hard earned money.
Tesla has nothing to do with this. The tax is for EVs.
Thank you, there is no reason they need to be charging us all these fees.
This is patently false. I’ve worked in insurance for 10+ years. Some states require insurance companies to report insured vehicles to the state so the state can fine them for registered vehicles without insurance. No insurance is denying a claim because a vehicle isn’t registered with a state. I’d love to see a source for a vehicle claim being denied for lapsed registration.
665 Euro EV car sale tax + 21% VAT on new cars here in the Netherlands.
Ohio is flat 200 and base is reg fee was 69 flat for each vehicle. Our gas tax seems high but isn’t the highest in the US. Something like 39 cents and fed is 18.4 cents. So ICE cars are paying 59 cents per gallon in tax. The equivalent mileage per year to match that 200 is something like 14,000 miles per year in an ICE car where the average driver is doing apparently 12-15,000. If you drive more than 14,000 miles per year you’re coming out ahead. I’m doing about 9-10k per year so it kind of stings. EV forced to pay full tax even though they may NOT end up using the road as much whereas GAS cars only pay the tax every time they pump. Of course this is naive calculation because gas price Also fluctuates and is volatile. Still, I didn’t factor this in when buying the vehicle the first time.
I can send you my last registration, sure
I think this year we’re going to switch because we now work from home. Previous years I did the math and it was a wash with how much I was driving.
CA $730 for me
Resister the vehicle outside of king and pierce county mine was that amount and went down to $300 in Lewis county
How many states tax you on your gas purchase twice?
Right on par with Missouri, considering we have an ev fee, personal property tax, and normal registration fees.
Same in Tennessee.
Yeah, but New Hampshire is just a $100 ev fee, the $1000+ to register is because of what its worth new and similar priced ice vehicles will cost the same. But atleast we don't have to pay sales tax when buying the car
Interesting. I'm also in Washington and renewed my tabs (2026 MY) last week. It was 1/2 of that. Google tells me the Excise Tax is local to a couple counties around Puget Sound, and my Electric Vehicle fee was $150. In in Clark county. https://preview.redd.it/ta7mn84d0gmg1.jpeg?width=777&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a7e304db6d00d5128cc27e2e6e06aba9915c7a0
I pay literally $0 to the Ontario government to drive my Model 3. Used to be $120/year which was fair, there's administrative costs with licensing, and the Doug Ford rollback was blatant vote-buying behaviour. Still interesting to think about when people do direct tax rate comparisons to the US and think we're getting it so much worse here.
At least you’re not in a state where it’s based on the vehicles value every year + an EV surcharge..
You really should do your homework. Commercial vehicles (e.g., semis, etc.) are indeed taxed for road maintenence above and beyond the fuel tax. Do yer damn homework.
Agreed.....the fees have to be based on the math and not BS.
The fees have to be based on the math....but many whine about having to pay fees at all....and that's a problem.
Hell, I just threw a solar array on the house....haven't bought electricity in the three years it's been active....had it sized for an EV or two......it basically pays us a tax free ROI of about 10-12% that increases every time the rates go up. Too bad Pumpkin Tits and the Pedublicans killed the EV and home solar incentives for us.....stuff like that is the real problem.
What are you talking about?
texas' fuel tax is 20c/gallon if you drove a 30 mpg car that's 30k miles a year to equal a gasser in what you pay. 50k miles if you drove a Prius(50mpg). fucking rip off man
My bad, it’s not broken out well on the registration paper. It was $143.25 in 2025
Total gas tax per gallon in Utah is .39 per gallon. That’s the equivalent of driving 30k miles per year in a Prius. Kind of absurd.
This is not a Tesla argument.
It’s simply not true that all gas tax revenue goes to road maintenance. At the federal level, the Highway Trust Fund does receive most federal gas tax revenue, but even there a portion goes to transit and other non-road purposes. At the state level, the picture varies enormously. Many states divert portions of their gas tax to general funds, education, debt service, or other programs. EV drivers do pay taxes on electricity, where do those increased tax revenues go that are remitted to the state through the utility providers? So the premise that gas tax = road funding is an oversimplification. As EV adoption grows, states face a revenue problem gas tax receipts are their established mechanism for transportation-related revenue, and that base is eroding not only with EVs but with fuel efficient vehicles. In some states registration is higher if your vehicle achieves over 25 MPG. That’s a tax that has nothing to do with vehicle weight. Rather than framing it plainly as “we need to find new revenue sources as the energy mix shifts,” the justifications offered tend to dress it up in fairness arguments about road use and tax equity that don’t fully stand up.
There is a bill for Florida to about 200 a year due EV. If passed, Florida will join 32 other states that impose additional registration fees for electric car owners.
It’s simply not true that all gas tax revenue goes to road maintenance. At the federal level, the Highway Trust Fund does receive most federal gas tax revenue, but even there a portion goes to transit and other non-road purposes. At the state level, the picture varies enormously. Many states divert portions of their gas tax to general funds, education, debt service, or other programs. So the premise that gas tax = road funding is an oversimplification. Road damage scales roughly with the fourth power of axle load, meaning heavier vehicles cause disproportionately more wear. However, a Model 3 weighs around 4,000 lbs versus a comparable Honda Accord at around 3,200 lbs, for example. In absolute terms, passenger vehicles m, EV or gas, contribute relatively little to road deterioration compared to commercial trucks. Studies on road damage consistently show that heavy trucks and freight vehicles account for the overwhelming majority of pavement wear. A fully loaded 18 wheeler does orders of magnitude more damage per mile than any passenger car. The issue at hand is not about road maintenance or weight. As EV adoption grows, states face a revenue problem gas tax receipts are their established mechanism for transportation-related revenue, and that base is eroding not only with EVs but with fuel efficient vehicles. In some states, such as Virginia, registration is higher if your vehicle achieves over 25 MPG. That’s a tax that has nothing to do with vehicle weight. Rather than framing it plainly as “we need to find new revenue sources as the energy mix shifts,” the justifications offered tend to dress it up in fairness arguments about road use and tax equity that don’t fully stand up.
No income tax yet
A forced donation of $5 🤦🏻♂️ It’s obvious a small amount, but it’s mandatory 😒
Same in NC
Yeah, it would be nice to do it based on actual miles driven. So, the state could plug a mileage reporting gizmo into your car, a slight fee required, of course, and they can track your mileage. Or, they could have everyone self-report with inspections and/or significant fines if you lie. Do you see any downside to either approach? Careful what you ask for.
Freeloaders -- like the bottom 50% who only pay 3% of all Federal taxes? Time for them to pay their fair share.
Tim Eyman the voters of Washington State voted for a $30 maximum vehicle registration fee and then the liberals in the government told the voters to screw off.
The price of the car relates to the cost of the tax does it not?
More expensive than CA, I paid 695.
WOW! I will no longer complain of my $300 renewal 😳
What happened?! I mean I haven't lived there in over 6 years now but back then it was only like $600 including the EV fee.
I have. It’s really interesting actually. Great post about it: [https://blog.ucs.org/dave-cooke/trucks-cause-the-lions-share-of-road-damage-and-their-industry-wants-you-to-keep-paying-for-it/](https://blog.ucs.org/dave-cooke/trucks-cause-the-lions-share-of-road-damage-and-their-industry-wants-you-to-keep-paying-for-it/)
Good to know this is what I’ll be looking at for next year
I just don't get the new sticker each year. Live in Harris Co, so never get pulled over for it since I drive a Tesla, not a Dodge, Nissan, or Mustang. Even if I did get a ticket per year, the fine is like 125-150.
It's calculated on the 38c a gallon gas tax including federal since realistically the state gets a huge cut of the federal gas tax as well. Still rediculous at 15k miles but a little more sense.
There is now on people earning over 1 million a year I think ? Lived in WA for 7 years. On principle I don't have an issue w a tax to build public transit. But that project is so behind and off the rails (pun intended) that I was super annoyed
Ah, so you're not a proponent of progressive taxation for what you describe as the bottom 50% but you're all for progressive taxation when it comes to our EV fees. Can't have it both ways, bubba.
I agree that ev adoption is harder with these taxes in place. But without it evs are putting equivalent or more wear on the road surface but they don't pay for the repairs to the road.
Same in AZ. I have a 2023 MYP and I am paying $856 this year. Paid $1100 when it was new.
My family averages 30k a year, I used to spend $1000+/- month fueling and maintaining my BMW X5M. Nowadays I spend $150+/- a month charging my MXP instead. $150 X 12 and throwing on a $225 tax ONCE a year to make up for gas tax is a drop in the bucket compared to what I used to spend. Nothing to see here.
Most of it was on time and under budget up until the recent expansions. They actually had a solid track record but have run into more and more problems as they expand across the lake (2 years later than expected). The income tax is hopefully going to be struck down by the WA Supreme Court because it’s literally against the state constitution.
That's a fair point actually. Re the tax. My problem is it doesn't solve the actual problem of "tax the rich" - they don't "make" a million a year on paper as far as income is concerned. So this just hits the people actually working hard to make money (I guess they could pay more taxes and that's fine too.. but dressing this up as "tax the rich" kinda misses the mark)
Your words and bad assumptions, Bubbafuck.
Looks like you don’t have to deal with the RTA tax at least. My model y costs almost $1,100 to renew my tabs every year.
Just wait till your renewal, my m3p was over 1k here in WA
Come to MN, haha, we pay more than that.
Yeah AZ is similar with close to $200 extra per EV to license our Model 3 and Mach-E. Still beats buying gas though...
This isn’t politics. It’s having you pay road tax through registration instead of fuel purchases.
Cat registrations were never about taking care and ownership. It was always about revenue generation.
This is wild. I thought only ultra maga states were being anti EV like this
We getting taxed on our electricity too though
Same BS as California. I have two gas cars and their combined annual registration fees don’t add up to the fee for my model 3. These assholes don’t give a shit about climate change, etc. just a greedy, petty bunch of politicians
NH here as well wondering how OP got it so cheap
mandatory donation? Isn't that illegal?
This is their attempt to “recoup” the taxes you aren’t paying via gasoline purchases. However the amount you pay in gas taxes is directly proportional to how much you drive. This Electrification tax is a flat tax no matter how much you drive. States should base this tax on EVs by the mileage every year so it’s truly in proportion to how much they drive.
Meanwhile in Nevada https://preview.redd.it/0m1f413tahmg1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2567aca0428b2354aa8c28ed2c3a323856b0203c
Cars don’t stress road surfaces essentially at all. It’s semis, construction trucks, and other large and heavy vehicles. But heaven forbid we tax companies more to pay for it.
To be fair, I'm in Indiana, and they charge more than that here.
Oh whaaa I gotta pay a tax like everyone else. Poor you
Along with others, but I would certainly call and fight on that simple "donation" fee. It ain't a donation if it was already included.
I will never complain about our $30 renewal in florida
Let’s not forget get Covid, inflation, tariffs, to name a few, have happened in the last few years that have thrown schedules and budgets way off. My only issue with the tax is that they are way over valuing cars to calculate the tax. Especially true of EV’s that have higher msrp’s, not because of luxury but battery costs etc, and sharp depreciation. And as an EV owner I do agree with the sentiment that government here wanted “Green” and sustainable transportation but are not doing much to encourage or subsidize it. Matter of fact we get dinged twice with higher excise tax nod the EV tax. If we must drive cars, I’d love to see them be electric in cities to reduce air pollution and noise.
My 2023 model y got $1000 fee for renew tabs. This is unbelievable.
Georgia is around $250/ year and same, it's a road use few specifically because there is no fuel tax being paid.
Dude yall thats to much
Me thinks you may not know the difference between regressive and progressive taxation..........sounds MAGAt to me......
Crazy thing is, I drove 25k a year in a prius before switching to a Tesla. Lol.
Geez that a lot Miami I just put my normal 60 dollar registration
Donation??0
Uses a device that plugs into the OBD-II port to pull odometer info OR if you have a Tesla, it can pull the distance traveled straight from Tesla’s API. It doesn’t get any location data, though, so it doesn’t differentiate between in-state and out of state miles traveled.
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No shit… but the problem is that it is way way over the average amount paid by an ICE vehicle owner. It’s being done to punish and discourage EV ownership by politicians who are in the pockets of big oil, traditional manufacturers and dealerships.
Well. Guess it wasn't a fair point!
You do realize that gasoline taxes help to pay for our road maintenance? Perhaps it should be called an electric vehicle road maintenance tax?
Way cheaper than mine in South Carolina. I pay about $850 a year on taxes for a model y lr
NY was $112.50 for my M3 - for two years. guess we have a lot of other draconian taxes but I've never had an issue with car registration. it's cheaper than my old gas car.
PA adds 250 annually.
Just paid over 950 for a 2024 Model Y in Minnesota. 200 surcharge for electric vehicle.
Plus you are paying tax on your electric bill if charging at home.
It’s $126 in Ohio.
Couldn’t they just add the tax for when u charge the car?
Regular tag fee in Georgia is $20, then for electric they add like an extra $200 for electric vehicles, to make up the highway taxes they don't get from gasoline purchase, so it's not terrible. That Excise tax in WA is crazy! What the heck is that for? At least I can understand in GA recouping some money for highway maintenance.
Mine was more than that $867😩
If it makes you feel better, we pay a tax in Texas too! We don't have an Excise tax, but if the government passes a reduction in property taxes I have a feeling we are going to see Excise taxes in the future. They have to get money from somewhere.
I live in Texas too!! If this idea of phasing out property taxes passes, I have a feeling Excise tax is coming. Or an income tax. What do you think?
Indiana checking, registration just as bad. We have high gas tax, high registration and our roads are ranked some of the worst.
Suppose you charge at home?
$5 donation fee?
Possibly both, but they should manage what we export to raise some money there. Ooooorr also likely instead of a Excise tax is to make more highways pay per use.
I'm not in favor of toll roads. Dallas North Toll road was supposed to be paid off and handed over to the state. It never happened. It will never happen.
Makes you wann buy a f 350 and just diesel dump (black smoke)on these politicians until they don’t wanna inhale diesel exhaust anymore. You can let them decide their air quality after that and multiple doctor visits due to exposure.
I'm not super enamored with them either but we are going to pay for roads one way or another. Literally coming or going.
So if OP drives 3000 miles a year, then it does add up and you're just talking out of your ass?
As I literally explicitly said, if you drive much less than average, the fee becomes higher than what you’d pay in gas tax, yes.
In Nj we have gas tax plus separate tolls for turnpike and parkway.
Yes. I did see that. I'd go up there to Stamford CT periodically for work training. I prefer to land in Newark as JFK Airport is a pain in the ass. I was surprised, as late as 2018 at least, there were still humans manning the toll booths. I've had RFID-based toll tags on my vehicle since the mid-1990s for bridges and various roads. Those tags have been getting smaller too. They used to be a little palm-sized brick, now they are on a small sticker I can put up behind the visor out of the way.
Well if you lived in Utah you’d be paying more! Hahah
Of course they tell you buy the thing they’re going to tax the most
Why shouldn’t you pay your fair share for your use of roads? But thanks for contributing to cleaner air. We appreciate it.
To register my 2021 M/Y Performance in Oklahoma last year was $1400. SMFH I’m still mad at that. But we have the nation’s cheapest electricity and I’ve spent $442 in electricity since September saving $934. So I guess over time it’ll make up for itself. But still.
That doesn't go to the roads though.
So you pay the same fee if you drive 5,000 or 100,000 miles a year. Not exactly the same as an ICE vehicles that drives the same mileage as you.
In Ohio we have to pay $200 for an EV and $100 for a hybrid but we also have state taxes and our property taxes are ridiculous. I would prefer to live in Washington instead of here any day.
Till this day they have humans. Just because of cash reasons. PA is complete cashless. They send you a bill by mail. So no human interaction at all.
Believe it or not, infrastructure costs money, but it tends to pay you back in improved services and economic activity. There's a reason the GDP per capita (and median household income and many others) is so much higher in blue states.
Correlation isn’t causation. A lot of those “blue” states just have huge cities, major ports, tech and finance hubs etc. That’s what drives GDP way more than the letter next to the governor’s name. Taxes fund stuff, sure, but the economy is mostly about industry mix and density… not just red vs blue.
I left California paying state income tax and 795/yr for my model Y registration. Happy to pay to $200 in Texas, given I save so much on gas. It’s not perfect. Property taxes are higher but home values are lower. All in all, it’s better here. Have some sense of perspective.
It’s not just WA. Indiana really screwed me for having a Lexus NX 450h+. Hell I’m paying 588.46 just to renew my plates while my brand new GR Corolla no joke is 277.39! So trust me red states hate any electric or partial electric car. Hell Indiana even has a charge if you get a hybrid vehicle. I think that surcharge is like an extra $75 just because it’s a hybrid
Surprisingly, NY ends up on the cheap end of this spectrum. I renewed my Polestar 2 registration a few months ago and it was under $100 for a two year sticker.
I’m just mentioning that I paid $95 less in the same state, not sure why, unless they included the full registration renewal, not just the EV fee. But also it’s a dumb tax, I understand it’s to offset the gas tax but that doesn’t make it less dumb
That’s $300 less than what I paid this year in Colorado
Green state. F you Bob. TN s much better
If you stop smoking and drinking alcohol are you supposed to start paying new taxes?
I paid 78 for my registration in Florida for my 2024.
What? That’s a false equivalency my dude. If you stop driving all together you pay no tax. Driving an EV still has an impact on roads and thus they have to collect your taxes via other methods. It plenty fair.
OP omitted it but if you live in a specific area, you pay 1.1% excise tax which has funded an extensive light rail build out. Like you said, I pay the extra fee, and I accept it, I use the roads just the same as everyone else. What has been on radar that I would not be a fan of, is like per mile charges where you have to report or get a scan or something to track mileage. I don't even drive much but the current situation seems better than that. I'd rather there be some incentive to get a more fuel-efficient car even if not electric, than for it to just not matter because they tax you the same.
Gas tax pays for roads. (15%+ of gas price) You don't buy gas, they need to repair roads. Welcome to taxation.
My province (Nova Scotia) just passed a few for electric vehicles, $500 every 2 years and $250 for hybrids. This is additional to the registration fee we pay every two years. They said it to go towards the roads since we don’t pay the gas tax.
Which county?
What you hiding???? The government is tracking you anyway with your phone
NC shows it as EV Highway Use Tax, which is accurate, I think it’s $240/yr which is a bargain for me because I was paying a lot more in gas tax with all the mileage that I drive but for people that don’t drive a lot they will end up overpaying. NC has state inspection so they get everyone’s mileage every year so I don’t know why they don’t just charge based on your actual mileage.
They just can't keep their fucking hands out of your pocket. They look at your money as theirs and when you finally buy a car that has zero emissions and avoiding gas purchases they have to tax you again. NJ does this crap too the hell with it.
Extra highway tax in VA. I'm assuming from not spending enough on gas.
Came to find out we live just outside the RTA zone when we bought ours. Ended up saving a few hundred on registration. The "electrification" makes sense in some capacity so evs dont fully dip on contributing to everything funded by gas taxes but the calculation for how much has never really made sense to me and does just feel a bit exploitive and out of date assuming ev drivers are well off model x, BMW or Mercedes drivers.
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