Tesla is working on a major wiper upgrade.

I’ll believe it when I see it

is it 2024 again?

As they say, fifth time's the charm!

Dawg it's been shit since inception....FSD will be solved before those wipers work right

remember Elon's laser wiper? haha

2026 is the new 2024. But all jokes aside, I know this was already news back in 2024 because I posted about it at the time. With everything happening around Robotaxi and unsupervised FSD getting pushed closer and closer, I think Tesla is now seriously focusing on improving auto wipers, especially for FSD and future robotaxi use. Hopefully we get it soon. But like any news related to Tesla or Elon Musk, you have to take it with a grain of salt. A lot of features were announced one or even two years ago, and we’re only receiving them now.

Would a simple sensor like the ones that have been in normal cars for 20 years be too simple? :D

Good! I have never really had problems with false negatives (i.e. wipers turn on appropriately when there is rain), but I have a lot of false positives.  Overpasses, bright lights in drive thru, sunset all seem to trigger the wipers. And _all_ my cars have done it - 2 HW3 cars, 2 HW4 cars. The same overpasses also trigger it across all cars.  Fixing the wipers would address the most embarrassing software-related complaint.

it could be placebo, but I had a feeling that it improved few years ago (still far from being ideal)

I'll believe it when I DON'T see it

Nothing better than a beautiful sunny day and the wipers just go on full speed for no reason. Totally not embarrassing at all

Does anyone actually put their hands under the wheel like that when using FSD???

I really don’t care about the wipers the auto feature for it was annoying, turned it off and life is good lol


They are coming out on the new and improved Models X and S

i'm pretty sure that after this update my family will still hear me tell the car "That's it, you've lost wiper privileges" on a regular basis.

Just add more wiper interval options man. That’s all I ask.

I tend to have issues with it not triggering soon enough. I currently only get false positives when stopped at a light behind another vehicle during the winter. The water vapours from a car exhaust pipe will often trigger the wipers. I briefly had false positives related to sunlight and whatnot but those went away once I cleaned the interior windshield in front of the cameras.

You'd think it would be easier to just **INSTALL A DAMN WATER SENSOR.**

Can they first focus on fixing wipers to work perfectly when it rains

Hahahaha good laugh at this. Thank you

I wish the wipers had a true “off” setting that completely disables them.

Oh I heard this one before.

I also agree that I saw an improvement, but I cant wait for my wipers not to turn on at mach jesus for a light drizzle. At least they turn on now.


I heard wiper vision is $2k lifetime or $2.99 a month. It won't transfer to new owner, so youre stuck with crappy wipers.

If only they used a proper rain sensor, they wouldn't have to allocate engineers and programmers to fix an issue that has already been fixed with a sensor Telsa decided to forego for cost savings. I have to keep my wipers off, or I will get tons of false positives. I barely even use auto when it is raining; I find it easier to use the left scroll wheel to change the wiper speed.

I hope it can figure out that exhaust from cars in the cold is not rain. It is real frustrating to be -20, stop at an intersection, see exhaust cloud, then listen to the car near rip the blades off because they are frozen to the windshield. That sound is not quiet.

Sixth months, definitely by next year

Ahahah, after driving in several storms this past month I don't have any hope.

A good update would be to turn off autowipers when AP is engaged - give me a warning when the cams are blocked instead

Tesla just buy the f’ing infrared detector that the rest of the world uses charge me 0.50 cents a month so they work right.

Could it just be that it’s turning on for a swipe due to camera visibility in those situations, when the camera has an obstruction it’ll do a wipe to see if that clears it.

Just use rain sensors for god’s sake.

Apple CarPlay and working wipers coming soon. What are people going to complain about??

Hard to ever trust FSD when they can’t even automate wipers correctly (and I’ve been saying that for 8 years now).

A Full Self-Wiping (Supervised) subscription for $2.99/mo or $29.99/year? Ha. I'd prefer an option to upgrade to proper rain sensors for $29.99 + install fee.

It may just be anecdotal, but I haven't had a false positive since cleaning the inside glass in front of the cameras. It's only been a few months, but I have driven into the sunset and sunrise a few times, and no dumb dry wipes.

Also sunshine, fog, sunset, sunrise, glare. I mean, I'm glad that maybe they're doing something because I doubt they would ever retrofit the fleet, but they've been a major complaint for years. I do wish Tesla would just cut bait and start installing the standard rain sensors that were invented 50 years ago and work nearly flawlessly for every auto maker. But they never ask me 😁 Wipers are a consistent, top level gripe on every "what do you dislike about your Tesla" post and deserves more effort than they've given it.

Remove it. No wiper, no problem with wiper.

I was reading that and thinking, why should someone have wiper problems? My 2005 Ford Focus is working just fine.

My guess is that it's one of the components that competitors managed to control access to. And even if Tesla got access to them, it could be used to limit overall car production by limiting supply. That's why Tesla do most things themselves, when they aren't limited by patents.

Hot sunny beautiful day and wipers chatter on the windshield scaring the shit out of you

Wow, that’s a bad guess.

> Wow, that’s a bad guess. > > Only if you didn't listen to a word that Tesla management said during the first 10 years of their existence. EDIT: I mean the situation is probably different now. But once you've been burned by this kind of thing, it's normal to stick to your guns.

Will it stop my wipers from randomly going on a sunny day?

I’d love to see the costs tied to all the collective manhours fixing this vs just using the sensor.


"Overpasses, bright lights in drive thru, sunset all seem to trigger the wipers." My guess is that's because when the light changes (getting in and around shadows around sunset, leaving the overpass etc) the camera suddenly sees dirt highlighted, so it looks "new spots on windshield = wipe". Maybe they could intentionally put some scattering marker on the windshield, and have the camera judge the added spots relative to that reference spot. Hmm... I smell a patent coming.

Just like the gen 5 wireless charger on the Cybertruck which didn't completely fix it so next update they let you turn it off.

WOW (Wiper Obsession Withdrawal) I dunno- never had wipers “scare the 💩outta me,” or make my Top 10 List of Things to Worry About. Wondering what all y’all that are seemingly endlessly annoyed by Tesla wipers are gonna do when they finally make them “perfect.”🤓

Exactly my thoughts. I doubt it has been a meaningful amount of savings

Besides the false positives it seems the auto wipers do a very bad job at matching the actual precipitation rate. They mostly always seem to be going too fast. Hopefully this fixes it.

The secret is to leave them off. Ask me how I know..

same here.

One speck of water and my wipers go full throttle

Unless the update comes with a rain sensor the I shall remain both suspicious and skeptical

Ah yeah. A component that literally every other car manufacturer on the road has access to is one thing Tesla can't manage to get.

This is what they should focus on. It's easy to correct a false negative. Just turn on your wipers. But if your wipers trigger in the sun when your windshield is dry, you get dust smeared all over your windshield. A false positive is way worse.

The skylight on my roof closes automatically when it rains. It’s 15 years old. Rain detection via multiple different types of sensors is a fully solved problem. This is why most if not every car has auto wipers at this point, and many have since the late 90s. Yes, tesla did invent their own things for the reason you mentioned, but in this case it almost certainly has nothing to do with patent issues or licensing. Tesla is sticking to their guns with lidar… others have debated that plenty. But the rain sensor thing is stubbornness and stupidity top to bottom.

yeah ok. i'l believe it when it's slightly cloudy, and not raining, and the wipers aren't going full speed.

I’ve had a Tesla for a long time and always complained about the auto wipers. Recently got a rental bmw x3 with auto wipers. Definitely won’t be complaining about my Tesla again. It’s the same problem. The only one that perfected it in my experience has been Lexus/Toyota.

LOL

Which would be promptly rejected because that's exactly how rain sensors already work.

My thoughts exactly. They need either a rain sensor, or a camera on the back of the screen facing outwards. Whether it's actually raining or not, as determined by every camera angle, isn't always the best way to determine if the windshield needs wiped. They need an ultrawide camera watching out from the inside to see the whole windshield from the driver's pov. In my experience, they mostly trigger when they don't need to, and then when they do need to be on, they always go at the wrong speed - either too fast or slow.

I really like my Model Y, but coming from a Hyundai Kona the wipers were a major downgrade. I never had to think about the wipers. They were simply on auto and I never ever had to touch them. Now I need to either activate them regularly or stop them from going on full speed with a light drizzle.

Deep rain!

I'm annoyed even by the scroll wheel. The ONE thing I miss from my old gas sedan was the flippy turny dial thing on the left stalk that controlled the wipers. Right at my fingertips and I never had to look at it or think about it. No sensor or ai model needed, perfectly adjustable on a whim. You can't beat that with any amount of fancy automatic anything.

FSD turns auto on. So not possible when using FSD.

Their entire ego is to make things work in an efficient and cheapest way possible via continuous improvement. Having a rain sensor is additional cost and it doesn’t align to their vision approach as they believe what human can do their cars can do it too. Just like the stalkless turn signal, they remove it because it’s cost-reduction.

The false positives are always my biggest concern with a new update. It would be *really* nice if they just stopped having auto wipers engage by default anytime TACC is activated, at least until their latest update actually works as intended.

You really think legacy car and oil industry just thought to themselves: "oh this'll be fine, let's just let ourselves be disrupted, we don't need those billions in profits anyway". During the early years, competitors were sniffing out whichever company Tesla developed long-term supply contracts, buying them out and cancelling the contracts, or limiting supply. At one time, I remember Tesla production was limited because of a USB cable they needed. IIRC, in that particular they ended up going to an electronics store and buying off-the-shelf parts instead. But you can't get a windscreen sensor off-the-shelf, so my guess is that Tesla decided not to risk it. Anyway... long story short, that's why Tesla builds most of the cars themselves.... it's not because they want to - they would happily use the same model competitors use if they could.

Coming in version 16.4. Mind you, we are only at 14.2.2.5 right now. Lol.

Since 2012...lol

Vision based rain sensors? Does anyone other than Tesla use those?

I am sure that will totally stop my wipers going full speed in a middle of a clear night.

Elons ego. Just could have included a rain sensor like all other cars. How many hours and hours of software developer time wasted and poor customer experience jump scares etc.

Actually, not quite. Until the Model 3 came out, they used actual rain sensors and they worked GREAT. My 2013 Model S had such perfect auto wipers that I never touched the controls. Since then I've had a 3 and two Y's, and it is so bad I only ever use manual mode. I have been through every version and it never gets better. It's one of like 2 things that were better about the classic S, LOL. Anyway, I'll agree with "Since 2017". :-)

Oohh yes, totally forgot about this detail. I don't use FSD and even when I had it on freebie trial, I used it maybe 3 times total..

Look at Mr. Fancy Pants with wipers that activate on a speck of water. Mine scrape across the windshield with no water, no dust, no nothing. scraaaaaaaappppppeeeeee...

That's the problem when a software company makes hardware, they tend to over engineer the most basic stuff. No hate for Tesla, but some stuff makes you question "Why?"

I have felt like this has so much to do with so many of the engineers living like in California or Texas. Rain is different all over the place and the car absolutely does not care if your entire windshield is unusable, because it doesn't fit what it thinks rain should look like. This is why an actual rain sensor is ideal, because you don't have to collect a bunch of data from all over and all sorts of situations, engineer and re-engineer everything all the time, it just senses the water and voila.

Or, they could have spent the ~$7 on a rain sensor that has worked flawlessly for some 30 years.

So how much development time and resources has Tesla wasted into getting cameras to understand rain and water as opposed to putting a sensor that can actually detect rain !

That and turning on auto high beams when you had them off before you turned on TACC. Some highways near me forbid high beams.

My 2012 MS auto wiper were junk as are my 16&17MX, my 2022 Y is not measurablly better.

Interesting! Wonder how we wound up with such different experiences, but then again, there are some folks that say the auto wiper system these days works for them \*shrug\* (they must live where it never rains, LOL).

Sooooooooo applicable tooo most of the cars and not just HW4 right 😭

I'm just outside Toronto and I use my wipers lots, are you in Cali?

For all the Juniper owners out there, have you noticed that the super annoying, "let me clean those spotless cameras for you and blast your white car with blue dye" issue to be fixed? It happened to me so much that I shop vacuumed all my washer fluid out and replaced it with distilled water and alcohol. And of course the day I did that some new update came out that appears to have fixed it. I don't think it's happened once since that last update.

It was probably a net loss. They're hoping that in the long term, like 10-20 years out they recover. I think this was a solution in search of problem and a bad decision. They violated the KISS principle and it bit them.

Kinda sad this is a 5th version to correct an issue a small sensor would handle flawlessly. lol But ill take it. Hopefully they make it work with 100% accuracy with vision+software.

>If only they used a proper rain sensor, Isn't that what the original S had? I think it's what mine has since it doesn't have any cameras. It's terrible. I find myself using the one time mist thing quite a bit.

Nope, in Wisconsin, so similar weather to you. Auto wipers are the worst in winter conditions, I bet we can agree :-). The California comment is funny though, because one time I rented a Tesla in San Fransisco, the wipers worked great. The only time I've ever seen that. I concluded that they train the system largely on data from there, and thus it works the best with that "input" data.

Only 123 years after the wiper got invented, Tesler is truly ahead of its time

My wife does...

Well if they do fix it with software, then in the long run it would be worth it. Tesla sells millions of cars, so cost of additional sensors add up.

Don't play with my feelings

Well said, my friend.

Deeper rain

Best part is no part!

And AP/EAP

This is the 5th or 6th year in a row they've assured us they're fixing it. Look up the "deep neutral training v4" that was promised to us last time. So, no, it probably will not help.

Same with auto high-beam. I’m sure it works well in California. Here in Norway they refuse to turn on during the summer. But the worst part is that they also refuse to turn on during sunset and after the sun is down, but it’s still twilight. It’s more than an hour where having working matrix lights would be really effing helpful because it’s also the time of day the wildlife is most active and most eager in crossing the roads (and statistically when most wildlife collisions happen).

Source?

Knowing Tesla updates, this probably requires a premium connectivity subscription.

I'll believe it when I personally see it. Worst wipers I've ever seen.

2 weeks

You know detecting spray from a nozzle up ahead and a mist on the hood….ill buy that when it detects water on its goddamn lens.

I never have a problem here in Los Angeles and this thread is just a mystery to me.

That sounds complicated. Why not just take the rain sensor from my 2010 Toyota that works flawlessly and put it into a Tesla?

As long as it stops wiping when the sun flashes across the camera or when a vehicle ahead has visible exhaust condensation.

Get S3XY commander and it turns them off automatically

Get S3XY commander and it turns them off automatically

I’m confused why car decides to wipe DRY vs using using fluid to help clean windshield… its either legitimately dirty and dry smearing windshield isn’t going to help and/or just blinded by the Florida sun

Great now I’m going to have to pay 9.99/month for EWW(Enhanced Windshield Wipers)

Okay, but just give me a manual wiper speed that is slower than 1. I don’t like auto wipers in any of my cars. Even non-Tesla ones.

Does anyone else have this issue where the windshield spray ends up dirtying the driver side window? My wipers push all the spray to the left side front windshield, then the wind blows it across my drives window causing it to be all dirty after with streaks

If you have HW4 you should try it again. I said no way over the last two years based on 3 trials but with V14 it now drives me to and from work almost 100%.

lol waiting for them to say it needs HW3 or AMD or some other shit to be as good as a £15 sensor from 2003

So much easier than a five cent rain sensor...

I don’t particularly trust my late 2018 Model S “beta” auto wiper setting. I won’t even try for a “Since 2019” as I’ve been on Tesla forums long enough to know the wiper situation is a standing joke for many right up to the present 🤣

Please tell me they'll update the older vehicles too... Oh and fix the ridiculous bug where the wipers go turbo when you put the car in reverse because they start using the back-up camera for some reason.

Lol.

We’ve been hearing this for years. I doubt it.

I'm ready to turn Auto Wipers on for the 4th time and turn it off right after again.

Great it will detect even more that I dont see causing it to fire up way faster than it needs to even more often

If only there was a sensor capable of detecting rain and trigger the wiper to turn on...

I’m from CA. Auto wipers don’t work all that well. They don’t come on enough when it rains/misty on both my 3/Y. The headlights work well though. Sort of.

I'm in California and the rain sensing sucks here too. Wiping a totally dry windscreen for a half hour? Check. Freaking out between off and max speed when there's any rain? Check. Turning on when I pull in the garage and flapping back and forth pointlessly? Check.

Elon: “we’re removing the wipers completely for a more aerodynamic experience. Less parts, more vision..”

The auto wipers on my porsche have issues as well, either too much or too little.

I hope this works

How much more have they spent doing this then just installing a $10 sensor

They been saying that since I bought my car in 2021.

Oh yeah, auto high-beams are shit too. It got far better for cars with matrix lights (once that was enabled in the US finally), but still some conditions frustrate me. It doesn't annoy me multiple times daily like other things though.

No matrix?

I just got the Commander from the sexy buttons people. It has true wipers off. It has been a huge blessing. I wish I bought it the day I got the car. There are so many small improvements it is like getting a major software upgrade.

Well my MYLR (Aug25) had an update at the weekend to 2026.2.6 (I now have Grok in the UK but admittedly haven’t tried it much). The first thing I presumed must be part of the update is the wipers, but having googled it appears not to be so, hence I am rather confused. Like some others I’ve been finding it far easier to control using the left thumb wheel as in auto it’s always been erratic and too fast/frequent but driving this weekend it definitely seemed like it was now doing what it should and acting more intermittently rather than full apeed at the slightest raindrop. How peculiar. Is anybody else experiencing same?

What ever happened to Deep Rain™®? That had to have been five years ago at this point that Elon was promising a fix to the terrible auto wipers. It's pretty insane that Tesla has been working on wipers for as long as they have. The auto wipers have been terrible since the beginning, and it's solely because they refuse(d) to install rain sensors in favor of a software solution. It's a minor annoyance, to be sure, but one that shouldn't exist.

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I rarely use auto when it’s raining as well. The wipers are just an abomination. My Volvo’s wipers, although the best either, run circles around Tesla’s. A prior Acura I had was even better than my Volvo’s. Who has the best? Don’t know, but I know that I drop my favorite expletive(s) when my Tesla wipers are in-use.

I hate when I turn on autopilot, the wipers automatically come on....it's so damn annoying.

> My guess is that it's one of the components that competitors managed to control access to. I have experience in this industry and your guess is very wrong. Tesla's rain sensors were supplied by a German company named Forvia Hella. This company supplies rain sensors and other parts to VW Group, Stellantis, Ford, GM, BMW, MB, Toyota, Renault–Nissan, Hyundai–Kia, Jaguar Land Rover, and Tesla. Yes, Tesla still uses Forvia parts in its production line. There's no conspiracy around competitors managing access control of rain sensors to Tesla. Tesla could incorporate Forvia rain sensors back into its cars but they don't for one reason: it doesn't fit their manufacturing strategy of using the minimum amount of parts possible. Aka they're cheap.

negative fuck-all, driving across a desolate mountain range. Not a sound has been heard for the last 15 minutes other than the quiet softened hum of the tires rolling on the packed snowy surface. Suddenly, out of nowhere, a squeel so sharp and loud it couldn't be better placed in a Japanese horror movie when the wipers decide to run over the once pristine window smearing it in salt and pain.

Hey how about the fucking auto brights when using autopilot

I keep my wipers off by default. I’m in Ottawa. The minute a bit of road salt gets on the windshield, the wipers go into hyper mode smearing everything. I’d use a jug of washer fluid per commute if I left the wipers on auto

🤷🏻‍♂️ aside from the ‘it’s sunnny let me wipe the windscreen a lot’ the current wipers aren’t obviously worse than what I had on a previous MB. But they can definitely be better. Certainly now that there’s no stalk button on new Tesla Model Ys for them.

$10 times 500,000 cars per year VS a developer for 200k and a $200 claude subscription. I bet software is still cheaper at scale.

Exactly my thought, this saved zero dollars on their end

Hope so

Auto when its raining is maddening. Either too fast, not enough or nothing at all. I just leave it on 1 or 2.. it's laughable how in the mist I'm driving down the road manually pushing a button each time I need it wiped, when 1 or 2 is too much.

Just keep the f wiper in OFF position when FSD's ON.

I'll believe it when it \*\*checks notes\*\* doesn't jump scare me on a sunny day because somehow 'auto' was left on.

That’s what I said to my 5th spouse!

I understand you I’m from Montreal it’s a real pain but other that I really love the car

I'm in Vancouver, BC, Canada and they work fine. Occasionally they'll be a little slow but an update a while back made is so that if you manual press the wiper button on the stalk, the Auto Wiper starts going a little faster which is good enough for me

Yeah i think my only gripes are last 500ft navigation issues and poor parking jobs. I do wish it could merge more aggressively and follow further behind. All pretty minor stuff though

Holding out for v420

If that's the projection I doubt they'll still be making consumer cars, or cars at all, in 20 years.

I feel they should put this on hold and work on first detecting rain and sun.

Great news. I look forward to the update. Thanks Tesla for constantly improving even if it took a bit of time.

> A developer for 200k and a $200 Claude subscription Wow, if all production grade software, especially for a complex system deployed to cars - was that easy! I do see the point, but I think you are overselling how hard this is (vs just using a standard rain sensor used by many others).

Every one keeps saying this But forget to mention that engineers are expensive too

Yeah, its why it was a stupid move. Save 50 cents per car in hardware only to have to spend a dollar per car in software labor. It was a dumb idea.

Personally have issues with wipers when it's raining or snowing. How to say that. They're very reluctant to wipe fast immediately, so if the rain or snow starts strong from the beginning, they're just waiting for I don't know what. It's super dangerous and I need to wipe manually. Wiping when it's sunny is annoying but not dangerous.

I think it's less of a software company making hardware, and more of a startup cultured company trying to cut costs at every turn and try something new as much as possible to see what they can change for the sake of change. See also: unconventional shape of the cybertruck.

It'd be wild if they just adopted how every other car does it... It's the one thing I genuinely hate about my tesla

In my experience, they struggle most on clear days with dry wipes, but hey you do you Tesla

Quick google search says median salary for automotive software engineer is $146k per year. Also shows that at volume rain sensors are about $15 dollars. So one engineer working per year is 9,733 rain sensors. Let’s say they have a 15 person team and we know this has been a topic for at least 5 years. That team would cost as much for 5 years as 730,000 sensors. There are 6 million teslas on the road. So in that sense, the rain sensors savings over the whole fleet would pay for 616 engineers for one year, or some combination adding up to 616 engineer-years.

Pleaseeeeee let this work. The wipers are THE worst thing about the car. It just completely ignores the misty light rain that we seem to get so much in England. Makes me so mad 😂 Primarily because it should just work like other cars.

At this point they could probably make a physical rain sensor a $500 option and 75% of buyers would opt for it. They could make millions.

Only available in hardware version 300, and space x package. Coming soon, 2030.

Maybe they should just look at what the wipers on other cars are doing.

I wonder if the savings made by not incorporating a tiny, extremely cheap sensor like on every other car on the road will ever compensate for the development costs and user complaints.

https://preview.redd.it/5ixqhaqjjilg1.jpeg?width=1692&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a54f38568452ff1fe23dc19203de05cf4014386 If they issue a recall and stick a small mirror in front of the internal camera, they've solved the problem.

How about adequate wiper blades? Passenger side streaks all winter long

My Model Y cruise control goes into panic mode and brakes unnecessarily way too often. I have to turn it off in traffic. Is FSD different than cruise control?

fix the autodim mirrors too please

You need auto wipers with TACC (or Autopilot, RIP),  because they chose to base everything off vision and not radar or other non visual sensors.

I could be driving through a downpour with my windshield covered in water, they still won’t operate. Clearly the visibility isn’t reliable as it is.

Don't forget they keep changing themselves back to auto even when I click 'off'!

So IR sensor that bounces infrared light off the windshield costs about $10 and has worked reliably for 45 years…Maybe with 8 cameras and 72 watts of machine vision they can catchup.

Mine engages all the time when I turn on fsd. It's so annoying. I wish I could just keep it off entirely.

Yes I believe it is. I have not had that issue on HW4 with V14.2.2

MY Juniper needs it.

Not every comment needs to be one upping contest. God you redditors are insufferable

> Some highways near me forbid high beams. Interesting, I've never seen that before.

Oh they're absolutely terrible. Go on in sunlight and don't turn on during a deluge, but they need to turn on auto wipers when you turn on any TACC system because without vision, TACC is useless in a Tesla. It's another poor design decision on top of the lack of a rain sensor. I figure what we have now is the best we will ever get. If it does ever improve that's great, but crappy auto wipers are part of the package with a Tesla.

Awesome! I have all the help boxes checked and it seems to have improved with recent updates. Hoping that’s a good sign and I’m on the test batch.

My car sometimes randomly wipes in complete desert conditions on a sunny day

there's overhead costs to the engineer, but also significant costs for installing/managing the sensor install

I've never had a false positive. But they also virtually never wipe when I want them to.

Can they also make the wipers NOT go when it's totally dry though?

I’ll believe it when my wipers don’t turn on when it’s sunny or when it actually goes at the right speed for a light drizzle

wheres the center console in that picture? looks like a minivan style of dash.

I worked at Bosch in Michigan when we deployed the first rain sensor on a mainstream car in North America .. the DEW98 (Lincoln LS) tech was created in the factory in Buhlertal and the blades in Tienen Belgium iirc.. worked very well indeed but it was a lot of work.

lmao, right? This is why elon is an idiot.

My big issue is that all of the intermittent settings need to be longer. I use only the longest - which needs to be 3x longr between wipes.

I agree. I still have my 2013 Model S and the wipers work perfectly. Not so much on my 2024 Tesla Model X.

FSD turns it back to auto, but you can immediately turn them back off. Annoying to have to keep doing this each time, but at least you can.

in 2 weeks !

Any vehicle in front of me on a cold morning, with exhaust steam, will instigate a fluid wiper. I almost laugh now it so common. Also steam from any under-road source too.

Can't get any worse right *nervous laugh*

yo drop your digits bro, you seem like a good time at a party id love to have you over to catch some of those magnetic vibes

Mine turns them on right in the middle of town with cars oncoming if I activate autosteer

Sorry but I’m sick of every comment on Reddit trying to be funny, punny, or witty. Just STFU if you don’t have anything of substance to add

I feel like I’m the only one that isn’t bothered by the wiper sensor. Sure it goes off every once in a while unexpectedly, but so does the windshield wiper on my Hyundai Palisade that does have a proper sensor. It just doesn’t seem like that big of a deal to me.

Salt and pain. Hahaha.

Fully automatic wipers within the next 5 years? I feel like I’ve heard such empty promises before

The false positives are quite uncomfortable to experience. It's like I'm witnessing the wipers raw dog the windshield with no lube.

Despite the negative comments here, NO ONE works on their already sold cars, in terms of improving their functionality like Tesla, we have became insanely spoiled, my 2021 model 3 is way better now than when I first bought it.

5th? I'm gonna say it's more than that I swear "Improved wipers" has been a story about once every couple of months for the last 6 years I've been driving a Tesla It's still as dogshit bad as it was in 2020 when I got my first Tesla (Model 3), only now my park assist doesn't work in the rain either because yay for removing ultrasonic sensors. Although that's probably unfair on the park assist... it's nearly as bad when it isn't raining My car's so shit in the rain I can't justify replacing it with another Tesla next and am buying a car with a rain sensor and ultrasonic parking sensors

You mean 5th year?

Fix Phantom Windshield Wipers going off and I'll be impressed. MY26.

22 year old Lexus has better rain sensing wipers than the current vision based system Tesla has. There was no reason to reinvent the wheel about something that was working perfect and reliable 100% of the time.

Also, Tesla probably didn't hire engineers specifically to solve for not using sensors. Their job is likely more broad and that's just one of various things some work on.

I wonder if they disabled the sensor at some point to use the camera system? Similar to how they disabled radar even on cars that had it Purely speculation, to be clear, I have no idea if they've touched the rain sensor. I know they haven't disabled USS on cars that still have it, but have disabled radar... so knowing Tesla it could go either way

Apparently it still rains under all the freeway bridges in my city.

I'll believe it when I see it, I dont believe a single fucking thing this company says anymore. Also, assuming this *IS* true, will there be restrictions or requirements on what processor or cameras one would have to have? Meaning, will a 2019 Model 3 with HW3 and the old Intel processor get the same update? *Processing img 8hxy9agnwjlg1...*

My 2017 X had terrible wipers, and they are still useless. My 2021 3 had terrible wipers, but they have improved to the extent that I keep them in auto (except in winter), but will need to oversteer them a bit. That being said, they are not good. I live in a place with plenty of rain and snow.

Do you internet often?

Are you looking at the R2? Anyone have experience with Rivian’s rain sensors?

Nope, not available here in the UK yet so it's not an option I suspect as an American "mid size" SUV it'll be a bit too big for UK roads although I've not actually looked at the size

Finally getting ASWipe!!

Wiper sensor in 26 MY is such a joke. It can be full raining and it doesn’t come on. My 18 BMW was better, and my wife’s 14 MS is super sensitive. Get it together!

I was going for fifth based off of it being "v5".

The tesla dry wipes when turning on FSD are unbelievably bad. I had far better rain-sensing wipers in 2009.

Please elaborate on this. I would love to be able to turn my wipers off. I will turn them off and when I use FSD, they go back to auto. I don’t always remember to turn them back off and then I get sprayed. Very frustrating when you just got done detailing your car.

It's not a trustworthy source. https://x.com/Karanx_/status/2026347703165173910?s=20

Did they finally hire the “Wipper guy”’from Mercedes? They could have done that a decade ago an not needed a “major upgrade” … but yes, I will wait for my software update to arrive!

They removed HomeLink because not everyone needs one, but at least it is still something you can purchase and install if you want it. I'd pay 10x the price, $150, just to retrofit a functional rain sensor.

No wipers at all?

2021 called and wants it’s all camera input back lol https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-2021-4-15-5-software-update-adds-input-from-all-cameras-to-help-improve-rain-sensing-wiper-performance/

I did for the first few days of using FSD but not afterwards

I will wait and see if the launch Model Y before the refresh actually get something. 🧐

Robotaxi's have wipers too!

Well, every manufacturer that wants to be profitable has to be cheap to some extent, and I guess you can’t say that their strategy is wrong since they are one of the few manufacturers that actually make a good profit on electric cars. But I’d be quite curious about the unit cost, complexity of integration and power draw of such a sensor. How cheap are the sensors? Your list of manufacturers doesn’t really prove anything: they are all manufacturers whose executives have been shaking hands and sharing whatever at conferences for years and years, they all sell fuel burning vehicles and all would have their business-model threatened by a full-scale disruption. Also conspiracies are rarely common knowledge: exceptions being OPEC and that famous island. But I’m guessing/theorising on Tesla management ‘s motivations, and the only people who can answer that question are Tesla managers. Note that I didn’t say that supply of rain-sensors was controlled, just that other unique parts were controlled, and that’s the reason for the decision.

Hmm seems like I have a good one cause I don't have many issues with the auto wiping part from the mentions vehicle ahead spray. But yeah I believe my old Merc had rainsensor Wich worked good and it was a 2011 vs 2024 tesla pretty much the same experience

Waiting for R2

$15 for you to buy a sensor. It would be cents when you are purchasing millions as B2B, so this is completely inaccurate

You'll fit right in with this pointless comment

Could they also take a look at the ghost braking issue and the problem with the wheel not detecting that I’m holding it? Currently, I have to turn the wheel quite forcefully for it to register my input, which ofen disengages Autosteer.

God forbid they follow the rest of the auto industry and install rain sensors. You know, the sensors that DONT send your wipers into a frenzy from fog or mist?

Just volume up and down?

Struggle is one way to put it. I have had cars with auto wipers for 20 odd years, I rent an average of 10 cars a year and Tesla has the WORST wipers by a country mile. I was in a storm the other day, the rain was very heavy, it was hailing, THE FUCKING TESLA DECIDED I NEEDED INTERMITTENT. It seems to get it wrong every time.

literally, 2 weeks ago I was driving through heavy rain and it gave me intermittent. I mean its hailing, im doing 33% below the speed limit, cars are stopped at the side of the road because they can't see and the Tesla thinks 3 seconds between wipes is sufficient.

not just FSD, just regular old cruise control sets it back to Auto.

We dont get much rain where I live in the winter, the few times it has rained it gets annoying instantly.. I'm driving a rolling computer that backs itself out of the garage, and parks itself at work in the parking spot I prefer, if it's taken it goes to the one next to it. Yet because they want to use cameras we can't have basic things like working auto wipers. I guess we'll see if this fixes it.. Don't think it will.

It's comical. However lets also talk about how shitty the wiper action actually is.. my 2025 highland wipers work as normal for about 5 mins of actual wiping, then they start bouncing all around the windshield leaving uneven wipes and chattering back and forth.

Yes it is very frustrating. I couldn't take it anymore with the lane departure warning freaking out every day because it thinks snow is road markings. Anyway, got the S3XY buttons with the Commander (gen 2) from Enhance auto. It is basically an odb device that can send automated commands to the car (for you). The one I enjoy the most is manual wipers. They are only on auto if I select auto - like a normal car, yay!

Still fighting the battle that other manufacturers won many years ago.

If (big if) they get it to work as (or more) reliably than the sensor, then it'll be worth it. Say the rain sensor is $50 all in... for 10m cars, that's $500m savings that just continues to grow over time. No way they've spent anything close to half a billion coding the vision rain sensor. For the record, I also wish it had a proper rain sensor. I paid only for the car I was getting at the time and I knew that meant a car with no actual rain sensor. It'll be a challenge getting vision only to work reliably and I'd rather have just paid the $50 extra. I applaud the effort towards innovations like this, but also think it's unacceptable to market and include the half-baked version of it as a full-fledged feature.

I actually have no complaints about the wipers for the last few months. Seems they finally figured it out. Glad they're going to further improve it though.

Because if they can fix it using the existing hardware present in all cars they can fix *all the cars*, over the air?

That's like reinventing the wheel, but the wheel has a massive chip on the side, so instead of using the first wheel that was invented and works fine, you decide to get some engineers to help and try to fix the issue with the wheel I reinvented and apply that fix to every vehicle using my reinvented wheel Innovation is okay if it's the step in the right direction not a step back.

All this effort to avoid installing a 50-cent sensor on the windshield.

Several flaws in your logic. First off when a company buys something in bulk their cost overhead drops drastically. Something that would cost us $15 for a part even in bulk would cost the company $2-5 to produce. If Tesla bought 750,000 sensors, the cost to Tesla would probably be $5-7. Off topic a bit but here is an example; I used to work inside a computer store, mark up on cables were usually 200 percent the consumer cost, that brand new razer gaming keyboard you paid $300 for? Yeah the company you bought it from only paid $160 for it. You also assume that the engineers would have fixed the problem in 5 years, sure, but this issue they keep talking about fixing has been going on for around 5 years with no actual progress seen by consumers, hopefully the new work they're doing actually shows results. Tesla also pays a bit more for their engineers. Now let's jump back to the rain sensors, we keep assuming Tesla would be eating the cost, but a $5 part added to a 5 digit MSRP price isn't going to have people questioning it.

I'm guessing a crack in the windshield would cause it to refract and blind the driver

I took that into account. If you search for automotive rain sensors, they’re $50-70 per unit and the scale discount would bring them down around $15 per unit from what I could find.

Without going into much details, I used to work at TMMC (Toyota) and I can say that the rain sensors used for the vehicles made at the plant are much cheaper than $15.

Bulk rain sensor is NOT $15 Jesus Christ What are they, hand made one by one in America?

YES. It is so stubborn of them. My 2011 ford focus EV had awesome rain sensors. The fact that they refuse to add them to teslas is just silly. Software is not the ultimate solution to everything.

Which model is that? I don't know any model that doesn't have a center console

How are you supposed to do it?

Surprised teslas don’t just download weathermap data and use it to help decide on whether or not to start wiping.

Let me guess…..this won’t be offered for HW3 users?

Every time the car in front of me accelerates the cold and it produces exhaust, my wipers go into full panic mode lmao

Wipers only work in semi decent rain minimum. If it trickles it is easier to turn them off and manually press the button every minute or so.

And dry wiping fix? And "it's already clean/dry plz stop" fix?

Heard that too many times.... Sure

All of my Teslas. 2 m3's and 3 my's including a juniper, all of them have wipers that seem like they are wiping the A pillar. They swing so far out that I don't see them for what seems a second when they are outside my view on the left A pillar

Hope so. They have never worked well since I have owned my car.

There is a great article on how they wiper sensor uses the same camera as fsd out the window. It’s visual driven and doesn’t even show what the driver looks through. Maybe they have a better ml model. Most rain sensors are measuring a small current across the glass that changes when wet. https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2045/tesla-auto-wipers-why-they-dont-work-and-why-there-isnt-an-easy-fix

Software update for wiper 🤣. I thought you meant a hardware update as in a new design. Watching that blue fluid slowly creeping from the front to the back is just painful.

If (wet) { wipe(); }

I live where it rains a lot, I rarely touch the wiper controls, except to occasionally activate a single wipe once in a great while. MYLR 2023 and 2026 which my wife drives she says it is her 50% of the time, automated the rest. Interesting, only because I have way more tolerance to a dirty/wet/smudged windshield AND for wipers running when it is no longer raining. This variation in behavior long predates Tesla. I think this may be more of a "to each their own" rather than a Tesla problem.

Hopefully it will figure out when the windshield is dry. First thing I do when I turn self driving on is turn off auto wipers, so tired of the smears.

Why can’t do just put in rain sensor and call it a day 🤨🤨🤨

What is wrong with letting the user decide the wiper speed? 2020 model x

>It can detect water spray from vehicles ahead Sweet lord. If they can finally get *this one point* sorted I'll be a happy camper. I love my Model 3 to bits but I've been fighting the 'autowipers' for 7 years now.