Elon did this when he first released the Model 3 and providing autopilot with it. Do the same with FSD
I mean everyone would prefer that, literal no down side for the owners. Not really an unpopular opinion
Yes, when AP shipped with every car, the other car makers didn't have anything to compete against it. Now, 7 years later they all do. FSD should be included with new cars. What they will probably do is 6 Months free with purchase of a new Model 3/Y
Where did you read this was an unpopular opinion?
If they do that, they'd have to refund everyone who bought fsd outright
They do ship FSD with every Tesla….for 30 days.
Elon won’t get his trillion dollars if they did this
They wouldn’t.
The down side would be that people who paid for it would rage, just like they do when prices drop and destroy the resale value I mean, I paid almost 70k for my MY in 22 and just swapped to a 26 M3. Got shit for resale but I'm glad the new car rides way better though. Terrible financial decision but my back thanks me.
Does his pay package actually require FSD to be at a certain dollar amount? I didnt see that part. Take rate could be at 100% if it's free lol
Might be tied to some MRR goals. Hence, he killed off the full purchase price.
agree
I paid for it, but I would welcome the change.
It’s actually up to 90 now (at least in the US)
Not what the “design your tesla” page just told me this afternoon. 30 days.
I think it was like 1 million subscribers or something like that. That’s the reason they switched only to subscriptions now
Usually companies raise prices. It’s a good thing that companies decrease prices. That’s the goal. Shouldn’t complain about it. Would you be mad if Sony decreased the price of their OLeD tv after 2 years? And you bought it at the start? No. Being a first adopter is usually more expensive.
They probably will have to eventually.
It was 30 days a few months ago when I got my MYJ.
I for 90 days because i was referred by a friend. But the default is 30
If it's just the number he could make it $1. There has to be more to it
Not all of us would.
More unpopular opinion: Tesla EVs should be free.
Because you don't anticipate selling your tv after 5 years and using the proceeds to buy a new TV.
Ive been saying this forever. Just add a few $ to the final price that goes towards development. Allocate $2500 from each sale towards FSD development and they’ll have more $ towards it than selling or subscriptions.
What are you rambling about?
Right. Spend all that money and time developing FSD and just give it away. Makes perfect business sense. NOT....
Title should be, very popular opinion
That’s what leasing is for
I agree. It would double their sales. Just raise the price a few thousand and I’m sold.
Would be popular to me.
I have it paid for on two, I’d welcome the change as well. It would build the brand and make FSD better.
Yeah FSD will probably be standard one day like lane assist is for most cars today.
I definitely saw some 90 day inventory the other day
Yes for like a year cause once you start using it , it’s tough to stop.
It’s a popular opinion. It should be included in every Tesla just as Toyota includes Safety Sense in all their vehicles. If people who paid $8000 extra for FSD get mad, Tesla can offer them Supercharging or Tesla insurance credits to appease them.
First, lol "uNpOpUlAr oPiNiOn". Second, Autopilot was NOT included with the Model 3 when it first released. It only started coming standard on the Model 3 platform in 2019, and that came with a $2,000 vehicle price increase. If every Tesla came with FSD, we'd likely see a $7,000-$8,000 jump in vehicle price which I'm sure the majority don't want.
this will happen... for the first 3mo lol
I don't think this is an unpopular opinion at all. Actually, people who don't know much about Tesla almost always assume FSD (or whatever automatically drives the cars) comes standard on them.
I agree with you and I believe ultimately that’s what is going to happen. Autonomous driving is going mainstream sooner rather than later
Unpopular opinion: more free stuff
> Elon did this when he first released the Model 3 and providing autopilot with it He did no such thing... Autopilot was not available in 2017 through early 2019. You either paid $5k for enhanced autopilot (+$3k for fsd) or got no driver assist features at all. Not even TACC.
> Elon did this when he first released the Model 3 That’s weird, I distinctly remember paying $5k for Autopilot for my 2018 Model 3 LR.
If they increased the cost of every car $5. They would have the same profit from it. But likely much higher sales volumes, since the standard equipment level would make the cars better value for money, and therefore more attractive than other options. It would actually be a good business decision, IF they actually wanted everyone to have access to it, and not just the fan base who won't ever talk badly about it, or those who paid so much to get it they also won't talk badly about it.
How the f is that an unpopular opinion?
I could get on board with FSD-based basic Autopilot being free (should be the replacement) but full true FSD should cost money for liability reasons. Someone needs to pay when accidents happen and I’d rather that be Tesla than me the owner. To me, the FSD subscription model makes sense from a liability perspective when true FSD, (I can use it as a designated driver FSD), comes to market. The FSD service itself in that case should be the liable party. I’d gladly pay per use when using my own car as a designated driver.
r/whoosh
Agreed. Would never pay for it
Yea I was shopping for 2019 M3s in 2022 and was avoiding models that didn't come with autopilot. I ended up with a 2023 M3. Oh how times have changed. I'm looking for a 2026 MY but no AP really sucks
Unpopular with whom? Elon, sure. Not many others.
If everything was free it would take away the incentives to innovate or produce anything of value . It’s why socialism doesn’t work
He won’t. He needs his stock payout.
I paid full price, and would welcome the change. Anyone care to do a back of the napkin calculation on the number of lives this move would save EVERY YEAR?
Unpopular for shareholders /s
I think that is a very popular opinion. here is how your supse to do it # Unpopular opinion: FSD should be subscription based and raised to at least $150 to support future development.
just give us a yearly bundle for 600 a year(include premium con) everyone will buy it
Shipping FSD as standard doesn't mean it will be free. If you want Tesla to add $8K or even %K and provide you this with no option to remove it, you can just buy it yourself without thinking it should be forced. Model 3 didn't come with autopilot when it was launched, it was a $5K option. When Tesla bundled it with the car, they added $3K (or so, afaik) to the price of the car
I was gona write the exact same thing 🤣 Some people are literally NPCs
Just increase the price by 8k and make it a standard feature
I still wouldn't use it. I love my model 3, but auto brights don't work 75% of the time, auto wipers seem to frequently choose wrong, and phantom braking is horrendous. There's not a chance in hell I'm trusting my life to this car with FSD. I will never purchase another ICE vehicle again in my life. It remains to be seen on whether Tesla is my next purchase or not. FSD will not be a factor on whether I buy Tesla or not.
Realistically, I wish it was available for $10 an hour.
FSD removes TACC and IMHO it's a huge downgrade for my commute. I have to intervene all the time with FSD making stupid moves. It's less of a hassle for me to just use TACC so I disabled the FSD beta on my profile.
No chance in hell fsd will be free anytime soon. If FSD were free today, Tesla would lose $2,000 upfront on every car and billions every year in server/R&D costs with zero way to recoup it. It’s not just a feature; it’s an ongoing service that costs a fortune to maintain.
Ahh yes, this truly is such a controversial and vile unpopular opinion. Honestly so brave if you to admit to such a thing.
Make the current supervised FSD standard (and if they’re as confident as they claim about it being a killer feature, they can increase the price of the vehicles to cover it), then make unsupervised FSD the subscription offering, to cover the cost of liability when it gets involved in accidents.
Would be interesting if they roll out usage/distance-based FSD. All cars include a small amount of it (and/or split by city/highway), and you can subscribe to more.
Five
Exactly
Does that mean even if you’re willing to pay the subscription there’s no way to have TACC + Autosteer anymore? Or is it still possible by just changing FSD settings?
M3 has better back support?
In practice they could increase the price by quite a bit less than the full FSD price, since they would make up the difference in volume sold, especially since (as I recall, I could be misremembering) only around 12% of owners purchase FSD.
I think when you get a referal.
If only they increase the price, but that would impact the sales.
You will own nothing and you will like it is unfortunately the direction Tesla is heading.
They could make supervised free now but offer unsupervised free or heavily discounted for anyone that purchased when it comes out and I wouldn't complain. At this point 100 percent of Teslas having supervised would help it improve faster as they need negative training data more than positive at this point.
Shouldn’t anticipate this with a car either
FSD had zero features back then. And wasn’t free.It wasn’t until sometime in 2019, maybe 2020 that the first FSD feature actually materialized. Stop on red light and stop signs. Also, you paid for NAV on auto pilot…. When those features actually started getting added. And you paid for Autopilot originally. $5000 For basic AP.
I see no issue with a subscription... especially since it is software and will require updates/improvements. The issue is the 100 per month, it is just too much.
And it was extra money for the other stuff, that had zero features at the time. You were paying for the promise that they’d added somewhere down the line.
If you have FSD enabled in the settings, one press on the stalk will enable FSD. If you disable FSD in the settings one press is TACC, two presses is TACC + Autosteer. So you can switch back, but not while you're driving.
The highland/juniper has better suspension and rides way better than the older Teslas. The M3P does have bucket seats and I feel like it provides better support though.
Dude, I couldn't agree more. What they are doing instead is removing autopilot and limiting it to a monthly subscription....absolutely terrible. The adoption rate of FSD will be dropping fast.
Way too complicate at this point. I had thought MX's falcon wing doors were Tesla's big mistake. FSD implementation is a trainwreck. The real question: Could Tesla somehow convert econ value gained from way more (no pun intended) recordable FSD driven miles to refund the people who have purchased FSD? Like, FSD skill will improve if FSD is free on all Tesla because Tesla should have a bigger and better data corpus (no pun intended) to train on. Everyone wins.
Unpopular for Tesla may be as every company is looking for recurring subscription revenue.
i don’t think it’s possible because at the very least Tesla has to pay for electricity at the data center level. unless by like 2035, it can be locally stored in the car somehow. if it cost Elon $20 a month in electricity per car to run the fsd, he can’t do a one time fee
Increased cost in the car. But, Tesla also probably gets to access all the funds rather than having to wait.
Popular Opinion: Your opinion is not unpopular. Just because saying “Unpopular opinion” is currently the popular thing to do, doesn’t mean you have to do it.
Instead they removed autopilot which is going to tank sales even filurther as people who might buy it realize every other car manufacturer now has a superior product.
I think EAP should be standard especially since autopilot is gone and FSD should be a subscription and they should take liability.
We have been saying this for years. It will happen eventually as more Chinese cars that have these features come to the same market. We got a call from a Tesla rep wanting us to come talk about how much we would pay. It was a lot of fun messing with the guy. I said $2K now and it stays with us, or $1K and it stays with the car.
If they bundled it for free without increasing price of the car and used that as a way of selling more cars, like apple uses software to sell phones, everyone would be better off.
It’s not unpopular thinking, just not realistic right now. Tesla doesn’t need to do that right now because there is zero competition in this space. Once nvidia and others come close to FSD’s capabilities, maybe it’ll become a standard feature.
I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion.
Yes, if wishes were horses...
Im predicting they will. It will make it easier for Elon to hit his metrics. Maybe there will be a free "attention required" one and a small subscription to cover the insurance costs of the "eyes off" version.
I think they should do that with EAP. That would be a match for current competitors.
They lowered the price of the car and made it a subscription. People just love having expenses hidden from them. Nothing is free!
Eventually I think we’ll see different subscriptions. Cars will probably come with a FSD “lite” requiring eye tracking and responsibility. $100/mo gets you “unsupervised” but driver is responsible. (The Category for everyone who bought fsd outright) $500/mo personal use FSD full-autonomy. Car can drive w/o a driver. Drop you off at airport type stuff. Would include insurance when there is not a driver present. $2500/mo commercial license. Can make your car available for Robotaxi. Possibly even waived with X amount of hours available to Robotaxi each month..
No- basic autopilot was included with the original model 3 at launch (it was basically traffic aware cruise control, no lane change etc) Enhanced autopilot was the 5k upgrade which at the time was lane changes but you had to initiate them yourself with the turning stalk… then it slowly improved Full self driving was a 3k add on in addition to that (total cost of fsd at launch was 8k cause you had to buy both) It was later when they made autopilot cost and it was 3k at the time (and they phased out enhanced autopilot)
Literally opposes Musk's pay package structure so it can't happen.
No. If shareholders voted for it that is all that matters. The board had no responsibility to ensure the deal could not be exploited.
It's not unpopular. But extremely unlikely. If you are in business, the goal is to make money.
Pro-FSD or Pro-choice argument
you can set a driver profile for FSD and one for without to switch while driving or you can enable/disable while parked using the settings in a single profile.
I wouldn’t want it. I try it out each time it’s offered - and it’s improved… but it’s not my cup of tea. I really appreciate auto drive - but hate FSD making lane changes for me so don’t use it. So yeah, would prefer not to pay for it.
I never wanted FSD. Bought my 2023 MY in part because it had Autopilot for use on trips and because I just loved driving it around town. I can't imagine buying another Tesla without lane-keeping.
If it’s ever proven to be considerably safer than manual driving, i could see it becoming a required feature. Look at all the standard safety equipment we have today that’s required by the government.
This might be a little too serious for this sub, but software is expensive — not just to develop, but to run. Maintaining large-scale software systems takes constant infrastructure, compute, storage, and engineering support. I say that as a software engineer who’s spent a lot of time optimizing systems just to reduce ongoing compute costs. I don’t love subscriptions either. I really don’t. But I can understand why something like FSD wouldn’t be free. Would I *prefer* it to be free? Of course. It’s just not realistic given the cost to build and continuously operate something that complex. I’d actually argue it’s better that it isn’t bundled into every car. If it were included by default, the cost would simply be baked into the vehicle price. Since it’s optional, people who were perfectly happy with TACC + Autosteer (RIP Autosteer) can buy the car at a lower base price without subsidizing a feature they don’t want. It’s not perfect, but from a cost structure standpoint, it makes sense.
TACC is not basic autopilot afaik, and was included with all cars, as you said. There was no lane keep also, so you could use it only in a straight line. A lot of legacy cars had radar based cruise control at the time, the only difference was that for most it worked only at speeds of 25mph or greater, whereas for Tesla it worked even if the car came to a complete stop
No, the launched 2017 and 2018 Model 3s did not come with Basic Autopilot. Basic Autopilot was not introduced until early 2019. 2017 and 2018 had TACC as standard, which does not do lane keep. When they introduce Basic AP in 2019, they added 2 or 3k to the base price of the car.
why unpopular?
Elon's trillion dollar pay package requires something like 300 million FSD subscriptions as one of the milestones. FSD will NEVER be free. Everyone will be pushed into a subscription one way or the other...
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