The first picture I saw last week of someone sitiing in the back seat it was obvious that headroom was going to be an issue. These more recent pictures show the lack of thigh and shoulder support and the really low seating position. All dimensions (L/H/W/WB) are smaller than their competitors so I have no idea what made them think this would work. Rushed job?
Rushed job is basically teslas entire business plan
Most Chinese households are multigenerational with one car. It’s going to be the kids in the back row.
“Abysmal” huh - so much like the first two rows then?
Sounds like an utter lemon.
"Chinese people are smol, so it should be plenty space for them" - Elmo
For whatever reason, Tesla is allergic to big investments like here, ensuring there's enough room in a new model. That's a major red flag. And No, robotaxi isn't a major investment. They're doing the bare minimum to get people to talk about them. Dojo was supposed to be THE answer for data training. It didn't exist except maybe as a chance to launder chips to x.ai.
Sounds exactly like Tesla. Make announcement as distraction, then deliver shitty product or nothing at all until moving on to the next distraction.
You can get the 3rd row in the US, it can basically be used by little kids and that’s about it. Biggest issue is actually the legs, your knees will be at your chest.
Why don’t they just build a normal SUV are they stupid??? /s
You accidentally put /s at the end
Well duh. It wasn't made for a third row. Teslas solution for third rows is to just make people sit in the trunk.
The hatchback glass right over the 3rd row's headspace looks like a serious safety issue. In the event of a big bump or crash, someone's head could smash against and shatter that glass.
It’s more and more looking like someone at Tesla just shakes a magic 8 ball to make design decisions.
Another real reason for it not to come to the us. The average american is 3" taller than the average chinese person. If the 5'7" reporter was feeling cramped that doesn't bode well for the rest of us.
What a joke of a design: > Due to the Model Y L’s continued coupe SUV design, headroom was severely limited, with only just over a fist’s distance between the head and the rear window for a 170cm [5’ 7”] person. This raised concerns about head contact during bumpy rides.
Yes, but for a different set of reasons.
You misspelled “pulls a massive bong rip”.
In their defense they're certainly taking a LOT of time to "solve" autonomy
They don’t care. This news will send the stock up 10%
No. They look for what requires the LEAST effort from mfg. changes to call it 'new'. On that note, some should really measure it to see if the interior/body is longer.
What! You mean they're not buying elon's hype? I mean, Americans can be talked into buy inferior products at inflated prices. What's wrong with the Chinese?
I don’t get the point of this. All that just for one extra seat since the second row has been reduced from 3 to 2 seats
Yeah I wasn’t sure how to communicate the fact that I know that they are indeed stupid
WHO wants to buy that shitbox
Don't buy this trash from this trash company
That hasn't stopped them from advertising and selling it though.
Elmo will sell Tesla helmet for $500 😂
Why would you sell a six-seater vehicle in a country where the average household has 2.8 people?
Kids in the crumple zone
Modelled after his ballistic helmet son.
Kids in China don’t even wear seatbelts let alone sit in a child seat. Sitting in the crumple zone is the least of their worries.
Elon had them benchmark the Porsche 911 again.
A three-fer!
I think the point is that is going against proper designed 6 or 7 seater. Will cause a bump in sales but not as high as people think because other 6 seaters are more comfy.
1 child policy lol
last Tesla stupid decision: \-make a rushed cybertrash and lose billions in r&d and infrastructure. \-dont invest in a really new model s or x \-make a rushed model y that it is no long enough
I know Teslas are the ultimate Uber car but I can't sit in the rear of Tesla M3 or MY for this reason at 6'4".
I’m 6’6” so of course I checked out the headroom.
Well, from a target audience perspective it might be less absurd? As much as I hate Tesla, this car is aimed at families. If you have a family of 4, you don’t need the LY If you are 5, you could consider it for more comfort. If you are 6 it does make sense. The main reason the headroom in the back row would not be an issue is that you probably put the smallest kids there.
Smallest kids have a tendency to grow. Buying a model y with a family of 6 is plain stupid
But but but … I heard this was revolution and will make Tesla a 10 trillion dollar company /s
Not even enough headroom for people from a country with a fairly short average height
There’s just too many other choices
And all the bots now can say that Tesla makes a 3-row SUV as well…
Also, the average American is like 50 lbs bulkier (199 vs 143)
This is a different, slightly bigger Model Y
It was the same for us in the old XC90 (no idea about newer versions). When we had adults it was a clown car. Still happy we had it as we could 7 people legally in the car. We didn't have access to a minivan...
Tesla in general, (or Elmo in particular) really seems to have a lack of interest, or even downright disdain, for consumers.
And still you can get a cheaper or similar priced car with six seats and more room. So why buy a Model Y?
Yeah. Just had the "pleasure" of driving a regular Model Y for a trip today. This car is utter trash to drive. The suspension is so stiff you constantly pray for smooth roads, the wind noise is horrible, the seats are almost torturous, the seatbelt height is always wrong and my hands went numb from the steering vibrations.
> someone's head ~~could~~ will smash
People have different preferences.
Lets say your oldest ‘kid’ is 18. That would make the youngest two around 13 - 15 in a worst case scenario? That should normally not be an issue size wise for the back row seats? Again, I hate this car, but this could perfectly work if you plan the timing of your family car well.
Fair point
TSLA really shows how fickle, imaginary and fraudulent market valuations can be. And considering the bulk of index funds are in tech, which shares a lot of the distortions, it’s time to put your cash into land, fuel, ammunition and canned goods.
Model YL. The L stands for Ligma Balls, Elon.
Sure, they grow. But if the youngest ones are 3-4 years now, what are the odds you have the same car when they are 14-15?
You misspelled "smokes meth/crack"
Yeah but Chinese people are really tall so it’s not a fair test
See China's been on a 'we do it better' thing, pushed by the media of course. There might be a time where the media will shine favorably on Tesla, that will be one limited time.
Oooor, here is an idea, buy a properly sized car and no need to worry about the timing
10 years? Pretty high. What kind of moronic argument is it?
The average american family changes cars every 4-6 years.
ah yeah because making already dangerous situations more dangerous should be of no concern to anyone.
I like the idea of the Y L because the slope in the trunk roof makes it really hard to fit much back there. Having an extra 7" in the trunk sounds nice. I'd probably never use the back seats except in some critical scenario. It would be even nicer to make them removable. And the middle seat in a Y is TIGHT. It's not normal width.
Could 'ave built a 4 row model Y, are they stupid?!
Abysmal is a step up from the 7 seat Model Y. (I am dead serious, abysmal is really a step up. . . 7 seat Model Y was flat rash, when kindergartners complained about not enough room, I knew I got screwed)
You are thinking of US nuclear families, not households as they exist elsewhere in the world. I've got what would be three US households -- four generations -- under my roof. I own a micro car and a people mover van.
Is everyone aware that third row seats are not a new development for the model? I have a 2021 model Y with the third row. It’s perfect when I’m going out for dinner with another family and we just wanna take one car- kids (and dogs) go in the very back. Can adults sit back there comfortably? Hell no. So if you own one of these things plan accordingly. [btw…, I’m always surprised when I see so much shade being thrown on Teslas. I have to assume it’s by people who have never driven one…. I’ve owned everything from an Audi R8 spyder to giant lifted Dodge Ram, and everything in between- im a “car guy” and not some tree hugging, left-wing environmentalist and this is easily the best car I’ve ever owned. The torque is ridiculous and makes this thing a blast to drive every day. Its a BEAST for towing my boat. It’s the best car ever for long road trips. I haven’t had any mechanical issues and I’m at 55,000 miles. I’m even picking up my tires for about 100 bucks each. I can’t tell you how much money I’ve saved on gas, time and maintenance. (and when I hear about Tesla in the news and when I read everyone’s comments it’s basically opposite of everything i just listed right ? I just don’t get it )All right I’ll get off my soapbox now.]
You mean “the kid” ?
Tesla fails again...TSLA up 20% on the news!
I should have just crossed out “shakes” and “magic” and inserted a “does”.
The Model Y is the definition of phoned in, no surprised the YL is any different. When Tesla just fattens up their Model 3 and calls it a day, is anyone really surprised they wont put any time and effort to actually change the design to give a usable third row?
That was my first thought for what tesla ... err, fElon ... was thinking.
I’m still getting nightmares of that traffic cctv footage from China on YouTube where the Minivan turns and all the kids in the back fall out of the unlatched rear hatch into the street
Where in America is located China?
Wow look at that. Don't they know Chinese people are pretty tall nowadays?
Anything to get a 'new model' out.
Are you some sort of anti China racist?
Right. No money to remodel it properly.
Are there any electric alternatives on de US market available? Somewhat in the same price range? (Honest question)
Is that model available on de US market? (dishonest question, I know it is only in China)
Big investments that make them look like just an other car company... Arguably Cybertruck, 4680, Dojo, Giga Texas, Semi are all big investments without anywhere near the promised return.
It’s become the car world’s “Mangled Chanel Dress”.👗
So the tesla names now spell out S3XY YL. I wonder what the Y L could stand for to a weird billionaire perv.
I think that's a fair assessment. I don't have one but have a few friends that do that also seem to like the cars. Not my style, but I think a lot of the Tesla hate has more to do with the stock valuation and the constant grifting/lying from Elmo. Or possibly the belief that fsd is better than a level 2 system and/or 'light years' ahead of competition . Your comment doesn't deserve the downvote
Fist distance for 170cm human is definitely not that bad. Occasionally ferrying extras there seems perfectly doable.
I'm 195cm and have no issue...
how are you not hitting your head on the back glass when you sit in rear?
That 3rd row is sized for grocery bags.
When I was a kid, that was true - indeed, a lot of people got a new car every other year. But that was half a century ago. According to [ISeeCars.com](http://ISeeCars.com), the average in the US now is 8.4 years.
Isnt that the average amount of years a car lasts? That doesnt mean the same owner kept the car from it was new until its scrapped.
That, however, points up the core of Tesla's problem. The YL is available in China (at about $46000), and the BYD Tang is available in China (at about $40000). Unfortunately for Tesla, the Tang is superior to the YL in almost every respect. (aside from the BYD Tang, I think there are 3 other competing 3-row SUVs in the China market).
No, that's 12.something years. ISeeCars was looking at first-owner duration.
What do they have against making a bigger car?
And the helmet will somehow cause more serious injury than not wearing it.
I’ll stick with normal Model Y🔥
Doesn't take too many brain cells - if you want a comfortable 6 seater you need a vehicle the size of an Expedition or Escilade. The Y is not that big. Of course tesla will be scamming.
I can see why this was not planned to be released in America. If Chinese people who are on average smaller than Americans say it is cramped, Americans will definitely not fit.
Get one of these to the States so we can see u/doug-demuro try and get back there.
No, I am referring to household size. According to Statista, the statistic for the avg Chinese household is 2.8.
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