Germany can’t have cybertrucks

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I’m actually on vacation in Germany right now and it’s so incredibly nice not to have to deal with the idiotic pickups and their stupid size. Also, the streets here can be quite small - wouldn’t want to drive that here.

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Best truck to drive on small roads . Because of steer by wire.

Today in the parking lot I noticed a large american pickup, so we do see them but not often luckily. It had to take 1 1/2 space to fit. Pissed me off coz it was already so hard to find a spot. Things are not designed here for that.

The owner is probably proud of his giant truck emphasizing how masculine he thinks he is.

Not unexpected. Also not really important.

Isn't that the case for a number of US trucks because of their crazy size?

Good, very good. I have M3 myself but Europe is not a region for Cybertrucks or similar monstrum trucks.

Lucky

does this mean no cybertrucks in the EU as a whole? good deal!

And we usually have only "small" versions of american pickups (eg Ford Ranger vs F250)

Tesla hasn’t tried to submit it for sale in Europe. So not a surprise.

Frankly - whether you’re in camp “love it” or “hate it” - the CT is really not street worthy for most countries’ regulations. I wish it had less polarizing design and being able to drive it anywhere but that’s what we got.

Don't share this, it's fake news. First of all, the explanation is wrong, it's not like someone ever tried to do that, Tesla did not try to get a type approval, therefore it doesn't exist and you can't just use it on roads. Whether or not the safety of the CT is insufficient is hard to tell (the hood is much lower than on all other full size trucks which makes it arguably more safe) because there are exceptions to that rule. By regular regulations all american full size pickup trucks wouldn't be legal. Reality is: It can be road legal with a EU N2 registration, there are Cybertrucks in the EU already driving on roads perfectly legal. They need some modifications but it's legal.

Why isn’t this considered important? Tesla is currently trying to ramp up production of the Cybertruck while facing its lowest sales in years. Launching a vehicle they are already producing in a new market would most likely boost their cash flow.

I must say, I find it interesting how European Tesla cars (except for the Cybertruck) feel. It’s as if Tesla has built a car that’s more German than the Germans themselves, and I mean that in the most positive way possible. The cars feel light, sporty, snappy, and responsive, while also offering more storage than most competitors despite not being huge. In this way, they stand out significantly from typical American cars imo.

F150 and RAM are allowed on European roads. But that's about the upper limit. And already won't fit most city roads or parking spots. For the cybertruck you would need a commercial truck license to drive it because of its weight. If it could pass minimum safety regulations.

Full Sized Trucks don't sell well for ANY company outside of North America. Tesla will likely need a dedicated truck for Europe, which would be much smaller. And that is IF they choose to sell any at all.

exactly.

You're not wrong, but not having a competitive legal product for worldwide sales was an absolutely terrible decision by Tesla management

A model y based van would likely sell much better.

Even if it would be somehow legal, the Ford Ranger is as big as it gets here. Tesla would have no chance of marketing that thing here.

I have family in a rural area of southern Germany and you do see Ram trucks occasionally when you get outside major cities

American defaultism.

It's allowed in Norway, I've seen a few on the roads..

In Norway they don't need any modifications at all, there are a few on the roads already.

The cybertruck is not suitable for UK roads. I have enough trouble parking my MY because most car parks are too narrow, a cybertruck would be too wide _and_ long.

Norway is not in the EU.

Sounds like you're assuming the Cybertruck is much bigger than an F150 or Ram. Have you compared the actual dimensions?

Tesla didn’t create the Cybertruck with any expectation that it would be sold in the EU.

I might be wrong, but I think it’s an EU thing. The Cybertruck does not meet the safety requirements set by the European Union.

In almost all circumstances within the European market, a van (Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter, etc) is simply a more appropriate vehicle for the trades to have and use. Increased cargo space, more secure, keeps your tools dry, provides somewhere to work in, can be fitted with internal racking, easy to throw a mattress into and sleep overnight. Pickup trucks are a style choice, not a serious choice in Europe.

They have 4 out of 5 models that are sold worldwide. Making a truck never needed to be worldwide. Having a massive market that is just in one country AND sells at a high price was a great option. That said, they did make mistakes with the CT. It should have had a lower price and came with a larger battery option. Doing those would have caused it to do much better, polarizing design be damned. Even still, it did great last year. It sold better than the vast majority of non-Chinese EVs.

Those two are allowed because they have low weight trims. They are still too big to be useful. But that's not why they are allowed while a cybertruck or f350 isn't.

Cool, in other news…

I see. That's interesting. The issue is weight alone? Does this mean Rivian R1T and R1S, F150 Lightning also not allowed in EU?

It’s said that as a result of the tariff-deal, Cybertruck imports could become much easier.

It can be registered in plenty of countries in EU. Just bad information implying germany = eu. And since you get it registered somewhere else and get licence plate, you can drive it in germany, like you can drive any other vehicle.

I rented a “luxury” Mercedes with an 8 speed automatic transmission and hate it. Wish I had my 3 to drive up these mountains with.

Electric cars just aren't there yet for fleet vehicles. Hybrid is the best route at this juncture.

I'm going to piss off some Tesla fans here, but: Good. We don't need those trucks in Europe. Especially not the Cybertruck, which I deem unsafe.

Fun fact: Andy Preuninger, head of Porsche’s GT department (GT3, GT4, etc), owned a single cab Ram 1500 Hemi that he modified with an exhaust and wheels (maybe he still has it idk)

Good, keep that shitboxes to the USA.

Why do you deem it unsafe?

Same rules

Just needs to have been registered for 6 months prior to importing. All US cars can be imported to Norway like this.

That’s an oversimplification. The Cybertruck is not street legal in any EU country, but you can use a couple of tricks to make them temporary legal for demonstrations, test drives or transfers and must provide proof that it is for that special reason.

It's our rules that deem it unsafe, not just my opinion. Its rigid and angular stainless steel design will not make it pass pedestrian safety tests here. We already struggle to tune cars with plastic components here; imagine that tank.

Ah, so pure speculation as you haven't actually looked at any of the safety tests.

The USA has really stupid laws about vehicle emissions and trucks sold in the USA are designed to be large only to circumvent those emission laws. No one else in the world wants these stupid ass trucks.

Quick google search seems to indicate that Rivians aren't technically allowed in Germany i.e. you can't buy and register it there, but there still are Rivians in Germany driving around. I'm sure it's not the weight issue as the R1S is somewhat heavier than the cybertruck.

I hope it well never pass. 😋 stay mad

The Cybertruck in general was an absolute terrible decision. That entire 1 million + wait list was ran through with only 50,000 trucks sold. It's a dud. And now that everyone knows its a dud, they are selling even fewer of them. The truck production will be ended soon. It's a worthless vehicle.

Im not mad, just disappointed.

No, you can register it with exception indefinetely albeit tou need some modifications, but tou can register it. This was done for ages for dofferent cars typically veterans from US. There is plenty of them… I personally saw one in czech republic on street with plates.

Would the F350 be allowed in Germany?

Pedestrian safety regulations alone make the cybertwuck invalid.

Cybertruct can’t get the EU CoC (Certificate of compliance) for stated reasons, thus Tesla hasn’t even bothered to pursue selling it in the EU. However, you can individually import it and register it under the exception to the rules (some states might or might not require some additional adaptation of the vehicle, but it varies state to state). All us trucks under 3.5t can be registered as passenger car in the EU. Heavier ones must be registered as full size truck/semi, which means speed limitation to 100 kmph.

Jesus, what’s up with Reddit lately? I just shared my opinion, and people hit the downvote button like it’s a reflex. Isn’t this supposed to be a discussion forum? Last I checked, I didn’t write anything factually wrong…

I completely get you, and fint it so interesting! I really think more people should give them a try. Anyway, enjoy your trip! :)

Thank god!!

Germany is concerned about safety, yet the autobahn doesn't have a speed limit...?

The few I know that have 1 say it's the best truck they've ever owned. Wouldn't call it a dud as much as overhyped.

One guy has it here in Czechia and all he needed to do is put rubber strips on its sharp edges and it was allowed... So I think it's gonna be same for Germany... You just need to cover those sharp edges and you fine

As an owner of a Model X, I am glad this isn't coming to Euopre anytime soon. Imaging someone getting ran over by that sharp hood. Yes, is is safe with the software, but it only take 1 dumbass to cause a fatal accident to a pedestrian.

>Pickup trucks are a style choice, not a serious choice in Europe. Sadly, for many americans pickup trucks, especially large trucks are a style choice and not a serious truck.

When I picked up my in-laws at Rotterdam Centraal a couple of weeks ago, an F150 was parked in the garage near me. It was taking up *four* spaces.

The production line cost billions. It was definitely supposed to be a bigger sell than it is now. Elon have certainly propagated that this way is the worst for a company on events before the Cybertruck.

Yeah, we generally frown on forced amputations of pedestrians legs here in the EU, cause we're in a communist state and would have to pay disability for the victims. All fair game in the u s of a, cause that would be the amputees problem and not the CT owner's.

Its not that big irl, there are Ford f150 lightenings driving around

You clearly know nothing at all about how health and insurance in the US work. Or simple liiability.

i think not the weight is the problem but the lack of safety features for pedestrians?!

musk himself admitted, that the cybertruck wasn’t constructed for the safety demands of eg germany. he made a model solely for the american market. tesla could have chosen another design and everything would have been fine, but they choose not to. No need for complaining on behalf of tesla

Most people here are missing the point entirely. This isn't about EU approval of the Cybertruck, but about the special arrangement US military bases in Germany have with the German government. Cars that US forces buy in Germany are covered by a special arrangement where US-legal vehicles are allowed to be driven or German roads, aren't subject to German TÜV inspections etc., as the idea is that their owners can take the car with them back to the US. Those cars can be assumed to *not* comply with EU regulations, e.g. I know that even when a German company like BMW sells a new car for use on a US military base in Germany it's a fully US-spec vehicle, including a different (and EU-illegal) airbag configuration, side reflectors that are mandated in the US, etc., and even a different engine than the same EU model, if applicable. Now, clearly there's limits to that, and consultation back and forth, and that's what this article is about.

Aww man. Lucky!

If you search for the author you can find other older articles on the subject of US army vehicle import on [army.mil](http://army.mil) for example [https://www.europeafrica.army.mil/Portals/19/documents/Customs/2025%20HNrelease%20-%20Selling%20cars%20in%20Germany.pdf?ver=n9JCP7iUl1mem1xhBYywRg%3D%3D](https://www.europeafrica.army.mil/Portals/19/documents/Customs/2025%20HNrelease%20-%20Selling%20cars%20in%20Germany.pdf?ver=n9JCP7iUl1mem1xhBYywRg%3D%3D) So I have no reason to disbelieve the story. It's not about type approval, it's about importation under a specific scheme for military personnel.

I thought it was clear since the beginning that they wouldn't be in the EU. They don't meet EU standards.

It would not have sold well in any significant numbers outside NA. I will accept that a better worldwide vehicle would have been a van. A more conventional full size pickup would still not sell well outside the NA market. That was not it's intended market.

It would not have sold well in any significant numbers outside NA. I will accept that a better worldwide vehicle would have been a van. A more conventional full size pickup would still not sell well outside the NA market. That was not it's intended market.

It would not have sold well in any significant numbers outside NA. I will accept that a better worldwide vehicle would have been a van. A more conventional full size pickup would still not sell well outside the NA market. That was not it's intended market.

That’s odd, because the Cyber Truck is about 10% smaller than an f-150

WSJ and The Hill are liberal now? LOL OK Edit: Oy. Not sure how this comment ended up in this thread. This was a response to a completely different reddit post.

Why are you gay?

I drive a Ford Ranger, it has bumpers made of steel, from the factory... A cybertruck is probably safer.

Well your health and insurance doesn't work, and liability is only a given if it's enforced

Yeah because it goes fast. They can get a Y and get the same experience.

This is correct, at least in Norway you don't need any modifications at all

It's not that simple. It can be brought into the country as a used import, meaning it has to have been registered in the US for 6(?) months first. It's legal max weight capacity is either limited to just under 500kg, driver included, to allow driving with a regular class B license. Or it can be registered as a truck, requiring a truck license, but also speed limited to 90kg. Car approval in Norway is mainly through common EU rules, so not impossible that similar loopholes exists other places

Well it's not selling great in NA either. Remember the optimistic sales projections of 250k/y? They'll be lucky to hit 10% of that this year.

2 are house inspectors that use it for work, another is a GC. Apparently there's a starlink attachment for the truck also which I thought was nice since cell reception can be spotty. I'm sure going fast helps, but that was never a talking point.

Ah yes, the US, one of the most litigous societies in the world. Im sure no one is trying to enforce a personal injury claim against the owner of an expensive cyber truck. If you want to actually critique the problems in the US, you have to pull your head out of your ass at least a little bit.

English is your primary language, not mine, so how do you get it so wrong? Liability insurance isn't enforced, so it's not a given.

As an American driver on American roads, I wish we couldn't get the Cybertruck in the US either.

Liabilty wont give your legs back, I like cars, I like some trucks but to be honest over here they are pretty stupid.

I don’t see how tariff changes are going to get around the fact that it violates EU road safety standards.

Not as a car. It would be classified a light commercial vehicle. Requires a different license.

If it's not a weight issue then it makes no sense. The Cybertruck is lighter than other EV trucks and dimensionally similar or smaller than traditional full size pickups as well while having a full 6ft bed. And crash/safety testing reinforces Tesla's admirable safety record.

It is enforced. And if no insurance the cybertruck owner, who has to have some assets to even buy a cyber truck, is fully liable for damages. You are just completely ignorant of the US, and judging it on stereotypes that are completely false.

Well yes, size wise it is allowed, but that’s not the point

It's because of the exposed edges of steel panels in front and general angularity. It's not so much an issue of size as an issue of not meeting EU pedestrian safety standards. Its weight class also requires speed limiters etc.

Wasn’t the one in the Czech Republic shut down by the police? And as you said, modifications. I’ve read it is somewhat like 20 grand and it is definItely not the dumpster anymore.

I dislike the useless monstrosities that most modern trucks are, and the cybertruck isn't much different. But Im also not going to call it unsafe without data showing that to be the case.

That's completely irrelevant to the discussion. This is not a request for fleet use, if it were there are plenty of successful electric fleets with no issues, and the restriction is about the body design of the CT not meeting EU pedestrian safety rules. At least read the content of posts before you drop oil-interest misinformation.

Those are also too big. I grew up kind of close to a post and even saw some lifted F250s. Absolutely crazy to drive that here.

Where are you people getting your info about F350s not being allowed in Europe? It is prohibitively expensive to import them, but not forbidden.

It’s not a direct contradiction. Tesla didn’t go for a M(1) class registration and it’s not clear whether or not it would get it. But there is the N category with much lower requirements which is also what most us full size trucks use to get their registration. Just google for it, there are legal cybertrucks in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_category

Norway is in the EEC, and shares requirements for all goods on the market with EU and the rest of the EEC.

Phew

It says Tesla on it. Thats the issue.

>And crash/safety testing reinforces Tesla's admirable safety record. The EU safety rating decision is based on pedestrian safety. I wasn't aware if the Cybertruck was better or worse than the F150.

>but also speed limited to 90kg How fast is 90kg?

It’s the hard lines and surfaces that make it dangerous to others sharing the road like pedestrians and bicyclists. Like the article says, it’s not about occupant of the vehicle safety, it’s more about those around the vehicle

It’s the weight that’s the issue on that front.

No EU member state can have a Cybertruck on the road. Living in Ireland, this sucks cause I really want one 😅

again, as someone in this comment thread already mentioned: norway is not in the EU

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It’s not rare to see various US vehicle around the NATO bases in the EU. Dodge RAM, Chevrolet Tahoe or other big US trucks / SUVs that are not for sale in the EU (new ones included, not only old imports). So it’s not related to the submitting by the manufacturer in the EU.

They are allowed. You just aren't allowed to drive them with a regular license.

Dude think logically and look at pictures of the thing. It's gonna dismember a pedestrian on impact

As others have said, we share the same rules. We're not in the EU, but We're in the ECC

That’s the thing: EU road safety standards are seen as a trade barrier from the US POV. Under the deal, both countries would recognize each other’s standards for road legalness. Personally, I don’t think it makes much difference if I get run over by a Ford Ranger or a Cybertruck at a zebra crossing.

/r/goodnews

Just back from Germany/Austria/Italy and I was sad to see a few Ford Ranger Raptors getting around, I hope Europe does not embrace the trend. They are everywhere in Australia, and are becoming the default "kid drop off the school vehicle" because people feel "safer" in them as a family vehicle because of their size. My school drop off is now bifurcating into 50% Tesla, 50% enormous 4WDs with bull bars, 3" lift, big mags, and 33" mud terrain tyres (with pristine spotless black paint job).

and wrong.

Reality has a liberal bias

I guess better than Kei trucks needing 15 years in Canada and 25 in the US to protect the Detroit legacy makers.

In Europe kids usually walk to schools, or drive a bike.

Bear in mind this trick is only beneficial for an EV or 20 year old + gas/diesel car. Taxes on ICE vehicles are insane here. A new Mustang V8 for example would quickly become around 100k USD in pure taxes. On 20 year or older cars you only pay 25% import tax, or VAT if you will.

Tesla is already cutting versions of the CT. [https://www.teslaoracle.com/2025/09/13/tesla-discontinues-base-rwd-cybertruck-variant-as-7500-federal-tax-credit-nears-expiry/](https://www.teslaoracle.com/2025/09/13/tesla-discontinues-base-rwd-cybertruck-variant-as-7500-federal-tax-credit-nears-expiry/)

Where does it say Tesla on it?

"hard lines" seems pretty arbitrary. Safety ratings should be standardized test performance based.

The weight puts in a category requiring different pedestrian safety requirements up front. The angled front/hood is where the CT fails here.. so not directly that the weight is the problem. (There are certainly Mercedes EV SUVs weighing as much).

Tl;Dr : it's too edgy

On the cybertruck?

TIL! Thank you!!

Seems like the only one on the thread who actually understands the situation!

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I think I know why. Germans must think it’s lacking farfegnugen! And no Think Small here! Dah dah dah!

BMW also has a "European Delivery" option for US customers where you pick up your US-specced car in Germany, but can't even drive it around unless you get some modifications done (tires was one of them, I think), to make it street legal under some similar temporary clause.

It has a sharp, pedestrian slicing nose. That's the reason.

The linked document lays out the rationale for rejection. The primary reason is the absence of passive safeguards for vulnerable road users, such as pedestrians, cyclists, and motorcyclists. The sharp angular bodywork violates the spirit as well as the letter of this German law, which is consistent with EU regulations. In other words, the Cybertruck isn’t being denied because of a minor technicality, butrather fundamental incompatibility with German and European laws. None of this should be a surprise. What is interesting, though, is that the German government won’t permit US service members to import the Cybertruck for personal use, which, it seems, would normally be an option even when a vehicle isn’t necessarily otherwise permitted in Germany. It sounds like this is, in part, a result of how much the Cybertruck would stand out and identify its occupants as US service members, presenting a force protection risk that undermines the intent and effectiveness of the waiver program and, presumably, the issuance of German license plates.

Cybertruck was never submitted for approval by tesla. They usually get approval in the Netherlands, where rules are less strict. And Germany has to accept that approval.

What if we renamed it the Schnitzeltruck for the German market? ;)

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>BMW also has a "European Delivery" option for US customers Cancelled since the pandemic, I believe only Porsche still does this. I'm not familiar with how it worked legally. >can't even drive it around unless you get some modifications done [...] to make it street legal under some similar temporary clause. The important distinction is that there's a bunch of international agreements like the [Vienna Convention on Road Traffic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traffic) and this US-German agreement that make it permissable to drive around in a foreign country in a car that's *explicitly illegal to register in its current state*, as long as it's street legal in its "home" country. The Vienna convention doesn't apply here (and the US isn't a party to it), but it's structurally similar to it, and to a bunch of other similar bilateral and multilateral agreements between various countries. E.g. I'm pretty sure I could get my EU registered car on a boat, and given sufficient paperwork drive it around the US as a tourist, even though it isn't only street illegal there in its current form, it would be impossible to make it street legal over there (the model was never certified for US import).

The Ford Lightning appears to be road legal with sales in Norway and Switzerland in 2023. EDIT: Which are part of Europe, as that's what the comment up the chain referred to. I wasn't aware we were meant to adopt a narrower view of what constitutes Europe than the continent itself.

Thank god

Yeah I had an H3 but the H2 was overweight and needed a truck driver license lol

Neither Norway or Switzerland are part of the EU.

Yeah. Where on the Cybertruck?

But they're part of Europe. That's what I was responding to. > F150 and RAM are allowed on **European roads**. But that's about the upper limit. And already won't fit most city roads or parking spots.

Did you read the OP? It gives multiple examples how cybertrucks fail to meet EU safety regulations.

I did read it. Did you? It actually does not state anything. It mentions the angular design. It does not actually state anywhere that being hit by a cybertruck is more dangerous to a pedestrian than any other equivalent sized vehicle.

What's different about the airbags that makes them illegal?

Why would the testing methodology used to establish those rules in the first place be uniquely inapplicable to cybertrucks? The burden is on you to demonstrate the existing regulations are missing something. It definitely does happen as technology and designs change, so it might be true, but we need to follow the existing safety rules until that's demonstrated. Also you forgot another very different example: speed limiters are required on vehicles that heavy.

No, the burden would be on the article or OP to show something factual. But absolutely nothing has shown that the cybertruck is less safe. Article the OP posted does not show that either. The cybertruck has not been approved, Tesla also hasn't requested approval or had it tested. Im not advocating for a change to the EU rules, I think large US trucks are ridiculous. But that doesnt mean the cybertruck is somehow unsafe, which is what a lot of people are trying to say based on this post. And that is factually inadequate.

At what speeds? And compared to what? I've seen plenty of dead pedestrians. Getting hit by a high speed object that weighs 25X more than you is just not good for a person. No one is saying its safe to get hit by a truck. Bit it is on the person making a claim the cybertruck is less safe to provide actual evidence or proof, not speculation.

Airbags will deploy in different circumstances and with differing force on the EU and US spec of the same vehicle. That goes for every modern manufacturer. The airbags may or may not be physically the same, but at least the software's different. Without going into the details on that, let's just say that it's inevitable that two different regulatory and testing environments will produce conflicting requirements, whether that's in safety systems, lighting etc.

And also except for this subreddit!

Oy. Not sure how this comment ended up in this thread. This was a response to a completely different reddit post.

F-150 isn’t allowed either. Specialty importers have to bring them over and modify them to make them legal. I’ve driven an F-150 in the UK and I don’t see why anyone would ever want to do that to themselves. No thank you. Someone will modify the Cybertruck and import them in bulk for crazy rich people eventually. They’ll sell dozens. lol (something 100 F-150s sold a year there)

One in Slovakia too right?

we dont need them in America either

The continent of Europe isn't a legal jurisdiction. We're talking about the legal jurisdiction of the EU here, in which F-150 Lightning isn't allowed.

They cut versions of literally all their cars. What's your point?

Is your objection specific to the Cybertruck, and if so, why? Keep in mind, there are plenty of larger pickups on the road today in the US.

For one anecdotal example basically Germans are rule followers. And as such if they are in an accident it can reasonably be assumed they will of course be wearing their seat belt. While Americans on the other hand are more likely to have someone that might not wear their seat belt. The airbags are designed differently to account for this.

For one anecdotal example basically Germans are rule followers. And as such if they are in an accident it can reasonably be assumed they will of course be wearing their seat belt. While Americans on the other hand are more likely to have someone that might not wear their seat belt. The airbags are designed differently to account for this.

For one anecdotal example basically Germans are rule followers. And as such if they are in an accident it can reasonably be assumed they will of course be wearing their seat belt. While Americans on the other hand are more likely to have someone that might not wear their seat belt. The airbags are designed differently to account for this.

Yeah and that is merely a vehicle weight thing. Nothing to do with the F350 itself. Lots of things you need additional licensing for.

Well, the safety standards used to be MILES apart. Typical situation was you¡d bring in a European car and it would need tens of thousands of dollars of structural work. Now the differences are practically rounding error compared to how it once was. It seems entirely reasonable to allow foreign cars in temporarily e.g. deployments.

*Russia has entered the chat*

Purely in practical terms, Norway is far too small to be cooking their own vehicle safety standards from scratch…. they have to coat-tail on someone else's efforts. First there's just the government burden of administering all that. Then there's the fact that no automaker is going to make a special version just for their small market.

Oh no. Anyway.

In most of the EU, 3500kg is the max weight that you can drive on the B category license. B is for passenger vehicles.  If it exceeds that, then you need to get a C license, which is used for driving large commercial vehicles (larger vans, semi trucks, etc).  Not sure how much the Cyber Truck weighs, but if it's 3 tonnes, then the max allowed weight is 3.5 tonnes, which makes the load rating (passengers + cargo) 500kgs.  There are talks about modifying laws and increasing the max weight, since electric vehicles are much heavier.

Could someone explain?

No, they did some modifications to the lights (added a rear foglight, swapped blinkers for orange ones, added some protective foam to the sharp edges) and got it individually approved. It has Czech plates and is street legal.

Allowed? You don’t get tuv approval by putting on rubberstrips yourself.

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Actually the F-150 Lightning is allowed in the EU, you can import one and get plates without modifications. It is just not officially imported here by Ford.

Isn't this a bit weird since there are already several Cybertrucks out there with EU license plates. This includes at least Germany, Poland and Lithuania. One of them fixed the pedestrian issue by adding rubber casing to the sharp edges. I guess the above applies to unmodified Cybertrucks. Feels like they just don't want the publicity the car would bring and maybe they are afraid it would inspire more people to import their own Cybertrucks here.

Those are massive

Good 👍

Idk if I would call us rule followers, we’re more like rule skirters. It’s basically customary to go ~10 over the speed limit hahaha I think the reason for seatbelts in particular is that at least in my experience since childhood it was drilled into me that if I don’t wear my seatbelt I’ll be flung from the car in an accident and immediately die.

I saw one driving in Katowice in Poland last time I was over

Hopefully the Trump administration will come and save us Europeans from our own regulations 🤞

Actually there is no weight limit for a passenger car in the EU (i think it was up to some 16t). You just have to have a specific license to drive it if it goes over 3,5t.

It depends what you mean by passenger car. If you count in buses, then it can surely go over 3.5t. However, standard passenger car or light utility vehicle (driving licence B) must be under 3.5t and under 9 person capacity. Above those limits you have to have it registered as a light bus (<12t, 17 person capacity, driving licence D1) or a standard bus (over those limits, driving licence D).

Wouldn't you want to discern between USA, Canada and Mexico when discussing North American legislation? Or is that "a too narrow view of what constitutes North America than just the continent itself"?

Thanks for the info about BMW; I don't really follow the car space.

I’m an American and relate to this comment 100%. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t automatically buckle up every time. And if the flow of traffic allows you to go 10mph (16kmph) over, other drivers will get annoyed if you’re going the exact speed limit here.

>> That’s the thing: EU road safety standards are seen as a trade barrier from the US POV. Not the only one atm lol >> Under the deal, both countries would recognize each other’s standards for road legalness. Literally never going to happen. Ever. >> Personally, I don’t think it makes much difference if I get run over by a Ford Ranger or a Cybertruck at a zebra crossing. You're free to think that but you're wrong. The edges make this vehicle the pedestrian killer 3000

I, too, hate safer roads 😠

> The edges make this vehicle the pedestrian killer Undoubtedly, yes.

Good.

I am not fan of the Cybertruck but hey, there is a cube on a wheels driving in and outside of Germany, called G-Wagon from Mercedes.

a big block of metal on wheels is dangerous anyways

I and folks my age do tend to wear seat belts. However, I have worked across this country at many different jobsites as well as had a signifigant portion of my job talking to folks and the number of seatbelt chimes you hear from someone not wearing one (which is very grating to me!) is more than 1 by a bunch!. Now in Germany, for example, a zipper merge works fairly ubiquitously, wear as in 'Merica it is far more common, to some Germans awe of disapproval, that the cars will not let others in. I almost never see them work in America as they do in other countries. This is just anecdotal of course.

I and folks my age do tend to wear seat belts. However, I have worked across this country at many different jobsites as well as had a signifigant portion of my job talking to folks and the number of seatbelt chimes you hear from someone not wearing one (which is very grating to me!) is more than 1 by a bunch!. Now in Germany, for example, a zipper merge works fairly ubiquitously, wear as in 'Merica it is far more common, to some Germans awe of disapproval, that the cars will not let others in. I almost never see them work in America as they do in other countries. This is just anecdotal of course.

The bigger Trucks are allowed in the EU, but not as a car. Cars are allowed up to 3,5t GVW. Everything heavier is a heavy duty vehicle that has regulations in speed, driving hours and much more

I was thinking this was on account of most European nations strict pedestrian safety laws.

Depends. The regulations are only if you drive the truck for work. I know some people that got their C1 license to drive a big camper van. Or people that got their big ass truck reclassed by limiting the cargo weight on paper so the total stays under 3,5t.

This doesn't mean anything

I don't know all info but he made YouTube video... Ofc you can't just put any random rubber or plastic or whatever you find to slap there... There special ones made that are allowed and made so you can't remove them... He explains it in YouTube video : https://youtu.be/d95mAhMn5ak?si=cljqJ0aC4UPzd0E4 You can watch it with subtitles if you want and he will explain you entire process... And yes I didn't make it up even if it seems like it's dumb that this is only thing you need to do to be allowed on road but it's true

And I'm glad as hell that our roads aren't filled with these dangerously ginormous pieces of shit like F250, Cybertruck, etc.

Yeah, and for work there are also exceptions. But the speed regulations are for every vehicle over 3,5t

EU Bureaucracy...

When I mean North America, I say North America. When I mean the US, that's what I say. European viewers get annoyed if you refer to the US as America even though they know exactly what you're referring to.

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In czechia a have seen registered cybetrucks on czech (eu) plates. Full registered without modification

It’s more about being hit by an axe shaped 3 tonne vehicle at high speeds

Good.

I’m glad. They’re extreme hazards

Yes, it’s sad. I had a preorder in but after the price hike and realizing it might never come to Germany, I cancelled my preorder.

Was a flop anyway

Cybertruck is a security nightmare for everyone outside of it. EU is totally right to prohibit this piece of crap.

No, dear, no. The C1 lisence is for 3500-7500kg vehicles, upgrading your normal "B" ->3499kg gvwr lisence to BC1 takes like couple of evenings and the tests and costs just a few hundred. Anyone driving big american trucks, bigger sprinters and ivecos and whatnot plus anyone with a big RV camper van have C1 lisences, yours truly included.

What a shocker!😅

We all know its not about the car. The cyber truck has no sharp edges despite how it looks from afar. Excuses to protect their industry bc they know how popular Tesla is in EU

German be like “VW will bankrupt can’t have CT here”

No, it can be over 3,5t and a passenger car but you are then required to use a C license. Unless it is an EV, then it can weigh 4,2t and only B license needed.

What if Germany one day said "oh you can't important any of your US specs vehicles anymore, you gotta buy EU specs to be stationed here" bc it already happens in Japan and South Korea

At this point, I would rather invest in an EU spec beater and sell it after 2-3 years (if stationed in EU) than risk my safety in a US spec car

Govern me harder daddy!

Is an F-150 street worthy for most countries’ regulations?

I’m well aware. But - maybe not specifically Germany, but in MOST places around the world, you can legally fit a steel bull bar, and lift the car. And MOST 4x4 sit much higher than the cyber truck which means your kids are much more likely to go under and hit axles or be physically run over. Which I would argue is worse. The front of the car also doesn’t have holes / vents/ bull bar hoops for your finger and arms to penetrate in a collision - and nor is there engine components and hot radiators up front. But ultimately. The fact that your many times more likely to be actually hit by a BMW, Mercedes, VW, but the cybertruck will actively prevent the collision in the first place and or will dramatically reduce the speed of impact close to zero needs to have weight when it comes to pedestrian safety. Right now. If I had no choice. And my daughter was to walk out informer of a cyber truck or an amarock. I’d chance the cyber truck any day of the week. The first thing absolutely everyone I know who’s seen the CT in real life says. “It’s a lot smaller than I was expecting”. The thing is low for a full size “pickup” and handles like a very capable SUV which is also a good thing. No reason they couldn’t make the frunk out of plastic and line it with thin stainless like a dish washer or toaster. But honestly I think people’s perception is that it’s much more massive than it really is [Vivian beside a CT](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/s/uQPIpDTUJr)

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdtjcx4k/

What German would want one?

> You just need to cover those sharp edges and you fine But that doesn't matter here, because this is about a program that allows *unmodified* US-spec cars to be operated by US Army personnel while they're stationed in Germany.

It's a seriously flawed design - that just about passes in a country as young and vast as the US. If it were designed for global markets, it would be a very different vehicle.

My days, good luck driving in Ireland with that hunk of junk. Everyone and their nana would be complaining about you for centuries for blocking up the narrow lanes and tiny town centres.

How does this work with the non-military Dodge RAM pickup trucks I see in Germany (with local Germany plates)? I noticed they have a tail fog light as required by German/EU law. I cannot imagine that those engines have a full European Certificate of conformity, it seems that there must be some kind of loophole to get those pickups (excluding the Cybertruck) legalized in Europe. Only US pickups I have seen in Europe are the Dodge RAM 1500 and Ford Ranger, nothing bigger. Has gross vehicle weight some to do with it? Sorry for the thread drift.

makes you question the safety regulations of countries where pointy cybertruks are welcome.

i rode my bike into the back of a couple of cars when i was younger and dumber. Round old 1980's cars, not filleting stabby pointy death corners like musks horror show. Just parking it in a public space is a violation

slicy, speedy - not in anyway oversized...

we'll stick with our G-wagons

protect passengers, no consideration for anyone else. Sounds like a corporate motto, even a national one.

if it were designed...

@heyutheresee So many stupid big aggressive American shit trucks being manufactured. Not just the CT. Says something about those who buy them, perhaps 🤔 Red flag 😌

Too bad for your fake truck

You can’t fit a F150 or the RAM in most of the US and Canada

Im sorry to disappoint you but anything for B must be under 3,5t, electric or not is besides the point. If you look at your license it literally states that.

Yes, B license limit is 3,5t except for EVs like cybertruck it is 4,2t(not in all EU countries yet). Passenger cars can however weigh up to 16t.

Norway follow the exact same weight classificiation as the EU. It's no problem registering the F-150 Lightning with EUs weight limits, you just end up with a very poor pay load (which is the case with the ones sold in Norway).

good

I’m so happy we don’t have to look at these monstrosities in the UK

What

There never be a truck that drives as good as the cybertruck truck . It drives like a car so it is easy to drive on right roads . Fold are missing out