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Yes, let’s not sell a vehicle with potential huge demand. Brilliant!
lol betting that model YL will come out before unsupervised FSD.
I mean, if you have a lot of cars to sell right now before the incentive is gone, it is kind of brilliant to say that. He literally said it's coming or maybe not. So in a way, he said nothing, but it might push some people to buy now instead of waiting, and he didn't lie whether it comes out or not.
Of course he will say that. If they announce it is coming or coming soon, it will definitely impact current Model Y sales.
I know there are buyers who don’t follow Tesla all that closely…but I like my Y, I keep wanting more range but a MYL with captains chairs in the back and a bit more storage space would be very tempting for our family.
Catering to China again. What a disgrace.
I don't care how good the self-driving is, if you need more seats you need more seats.
They need to sell their inventory of Model X before they release a Model Y variant that will cannibalize it.
What's the inverse correlation between FSD and the new model?
-100000 odds
Imagine thinking zero people calling a robotaxi would like captains chairs. Just brilliant, tremendous thinking, the best thinking there is, really world class thinking.
It would further cannabalize sales of model X as one of the differentiating features is space/room. The third row of the X is actually somewhat useable unlike the Y
The model x is so low volume that would have zero effect on Tesla's bottom line. As long as the low volume S/X/Cybertruck are profitable they are pet projects that can continue without issue.
Theres no way this doesn’t come to the US.
I guess Tesla (Musk) is just too obsessed with FSD that they don’t care to make new car models that go beyond a “taxi service” anymore.
Can someone explain please what’s YL? I thought people just talked about the Y or something
Well since FSD completed an unsupervised drive from NYC to LA in 2017…..
It’s a longer version of model y (the wheelbase is even longer than mx) with 3 rows and the second row is captain chairs. Has been released in china recently
This chinese video has a walk-through: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlXKEXBGzG8&t=1s&ab\_channel=%E6%9E%81%E5%AE%A2%E9%98%BF%E6%9D%A5GeekLaii](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlXKEXBGzG8&t=1s&ab_channel=%E6%9E%81%E5%AE%A2%E9%98%BF%E6%9D%A5GeekLaii)
Thanks
He’s trying not to tank current sales. Said the same thing about the Model 3 facelift (saying it’s a long way out in US when it literally came like 2 months later)
Lol the M/Y have already cannibalized 99% of the S/X sales. Tesla either doesn’t care or is very, very bad at differentiating their product line.
I want this so bad
Tesla’s “coming soon” doesn’t mean what you think it means.
I want this car bad
He repeatedly said “will not launch this year” and it launched in January the next year, same with the New Model Y
> Tesla either doesn’t care or is very, very bad at differentiating their product line. ¿Por qué no los dos?
Not everyone wants their car to be a taxi service for randos.
Remove self driving. Sell car.
>He’s trying not to tank current sales. What if he kept his fucking mouth shut... about everything?
What's up with America first?
"You can own your own self driving car service" has never been realistic. It's going to be the Waymo model mixed with personally owned cars that have some level of self driving automation.
Looking forward to the German factories producing the Y L, so we can get German cars instead of American ones in Canada 🤣
Well, he is actually a South African?
You havin a laugh?
It's going to come. He is saying this to not cannibalize the X sales and to not crater demand for the existing Y. That's why they raised the price of the X; to create a bigger gap between the Y and X. I'm thinking this will slot in between 55-60K range. American's love big SUVs with more seats. 3 rowers are hot sellers right now, they would be dumb to not capitalize on it.
Absolutely disconnected decision. Can a robotaxi carry a dog and my children's car seats? I thought this guy was a pro-natalist? FSD is the primary negative to tesla, and they just keep leaning into it harder. They are going to push me away by the time I need a new vehicle.
What does “advent” mean to you, Elon?
TRANSLATION: will not come to the US because people here are too big and fat. 😂
China is the most competitive EV market in the world and the giga Shanghai factory is the most productive factory of all the Tesla factories
Model YL, GTA6, then unsupervised FSD
The YL looks super comfy with the leg support seats. Perfect for FSD imo. If anything it’s a selling point
Yeah his comment made no sense. I own a Rivian for one single reason. They actually made a legit 3rd row vehicle.
Dad is only a driver, when self driving is solved, the family of 6 can dump the dad at home and 5 members of the family can go on the road trip without the dad.
Absolutely yes
And Half-Life 3
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Is the advent of self-driving in the room with us???
If you crash on supervised FSD, it's your fault. If you crash on unsupervised FSD it's Tesla's fault, and they don't want that fault, so I doubt consumer vehicles will ever be unsupervised.
Well, it's in line with the garbage they call seats in the cyber cab demo models. Worse than the backseat of a Model Y honestly.
you will own nothing and be happy
This gave me a good laugh lol
Americans love SUVs and at least in my opinion Tesla should make a solid 6-7 seat SUV here in America. I know the X has expanded seating, but to me it is still a car. I would prefer to see a more traditional style SUV with plenty of seating AND cargo space.
This allows the dad to focus on his other core purposes, including reloading the dishwasher correctly, feeling anxiety about all the DIY projects he doesn’t have the time or skills for, and downloading games he’ll never play on steam.
just take 1 cybertaxi for each person, problem solved. thanks elon.
Tesla a few years ago: - “Soon we’ll have SEXY CARS!!” Tesla in 2025: - SEXYL C
Show me this “huge” demand other than people on Reddit
Going to wait regardless
This made me feel heard and attacked at the same time.
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Translation: We have no plans to bring this to the US market, it's purely so we can compete with BYD in China and maybe bleed a little less there. We don't have to worry about that in the US, so we don't want to spend the money for what we project would be marginal marketshare gains. But we need a better reason than that, so it's because Autopilot is definitely going to be fully autonomous within 2 years adding $1 Trillion to our market cap. Buy TSLA. Please.
I can see trading in our 2023 MYLR for an MYL if the price is right. 95% of our driving is the two of us with some small family trips in between. The captains chairs would be perfect for my elder in-laws and in theory two people could squeeze in the third row if needed. For an hour or two I think that would be manageable.
I think it’s wildly overhyped software and have never bought it in any form. That said, it’s $15k of pure profit to them or an even more attractive subscription fee for their bottom line. They’ll put it on golf carts if they make them.
Translation: "just buy the current Model Y or the Model X, don't wait for this." Just preventing any Osborne effect. This car makes too much sense in the US for it to not eventually be released. Unless Robotaxi exceeds even the biggest bulls expectations, we still have at least another decade of car sales as usual.
Model X has a third row?
Most likely they are delaying production of the Long MY in the US in order to produce the cheaper MY first to counteract the rebates going away in the US after Sept.
How do you know it's wildly overhyped? As someone interested in this space since 2004 and on Tesla specifically since day one, I think its current status is wildly *under* hyped and dismissed. I just drove from Boston to New York, over 200 miles with two interventions (plus a charging stop). Just yesterday, a truck jammed itself under a bridge. Police were only letting one lane in at a time. FSD correctly crossed the double yellow lines and returned to the proper lane with no intervention. It waits for pedestrians. It slows down to allow people to merge. If AI5 improves on this, it's much closer to "average human" than most people think. Now it's only a matter of how much better than average human it can get before it's considered a good business decision to take on liability.
The reason the Model Y L exists in China is because the Model X is made in the USA and would face tariffs if it were imported into China. It's not coming to the USA anytime soon, if ever.
That’s awesome! I have a whole year and then some to stash some cash away and buy it right out.
Starting with the name "full self-driving", it's none of those things. Yes, you will have long stretches of it doing just fine, but then you will have a jarring moment where it will brake suddenly when a parked car on a curve is parked on the curb, or it will slow dramatically for seemingly no reason at all. Never mind that the camera struggles to see at certain times of day on either the front or the sides. It's undoubtably gotten better since I first started using the trials until last year's trial, but the bite doesn't match the bark of frequent tweets that we're X months away from actual FSD or the robotaxi claim that I feel like I first heard in 2021.
Woah there
Yeah, Elon never said anything incorrect about those launches.
He did not say that. Quit making things up.
Where do people get the idea that the Model X’s sole advantage is the seating capacity? I’m a single male and I went from the Y to the X (five seater) for a host of reasons. At the current price point though I don’t think the Model X is gonna do too great moving forward.
Awful and ignorant take. Think about what price they can sell it for if it literally can drive you around while you sleep, work, or do literally anything else. They will gladly take liability to sell at that kind of price.
In Elon's mind, if you need 6 seats, you rent 3 robotaxis
What does self driving have to do with 6 seats? Musk needs to go.
Winds of Winter will be out before unsupervised FSD
Dont need more seats if you can send each kid in their own car 😂
Maybe they should launch simultaneously.
The price is what it was when Elon promised unsupervised full self driving by 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. So like 50k?
Tesla's valuation isn't based on the sales of cars. It's the promise of recurring revenue as a mobility company. Selling you a car so that you can make all the money on is giving away the golden goose.
They can't sell it for any more than they already do so your statement makes no sense. The take rate on FSD is already low, Tesla keeps trying different incentives to increase the take rate and it's not working. Therefore it would be beyond stupid to increase the price for a feature that has a low take rate while simultaneously increasing their liability with every sale. Now Tesla isn't above doing stupid, see Cyber Truck. But if Tesla can get RoboTaxi to actually do as promised, suddenly you have a situation where selling that to the public cuts in on your profits. At that point anyone can use the cars you sell to them to build their own ride hailing service, yet Tesla's still liable for crashes because it's unsupervised. Therefore, if they follow any kind of business logic, unsupervised FSD will never see the private market.
SEXY CLUB, model U and B are next! Or simply SEXY CAR with model A and R next.
Exactly. It's astounding people fall for this. But consumers will never see unsupervised FSD on their cars, as it makes ZERO business sense to allow that.
How did you know what my other duties are?
And while he’s at home alone, he may cancel all the debit and credit card and even disconnect the Tesla supercharging link from the credit card..,, then where you going to be without dad.
*’e’s a witch!*
Not everyone upgrades to the Model X because they want Plaid 0-60 times or slightly higher tow capacity. I’d guess most people do it for more space.
Coming in, arrival. Like what timescale are we talking about? Because according to his previous proclamations, we should have already had FSD in 2020 with Hardware 3 or 3.5.
Even if it can carry those things (I guess with one adult) where are you going to store a couple of carseats and your golf bag when you spend 30 minutes at a restaurant on the way to the golf course? I guess they could have a "rent for the day" option... but even so I don't want to make 3 trips down the stairs if I lived in an apartment.
I wonder if there's a way to put the captains chairs in the current model y 3 row
Probably up high in unsold X stock
Still live in Austin robotaxi area. Still haven't been invited to try it. Still certain its not close to ready, let alone whatever bs rollout Musk is claiming will happen in a year.
Then you’d bitch about him not addressing what everyone is asking about which is the new Model Y L.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1799631104389107774?s=46
He was correct then
Net new demand is important- vs a model that would cannibalize existing Y / X buyers.
They want to call it that lol
Translation : looks like we’ll Osborne ourselves : )
I haven’t sat in a Rivian, they’re both supposed to be 7 seats - is the third row in the Rivian much roomier?
Yeah and you have room for luggage and such, which is the difference
I've been hearing about this "advent of self-driving" from Musk for six-plus years. It was *solved* in 2019. By the time I bought a Model Y, its computer had enough power to run FSD *twice* for redundancy. Jump forward to today, and FSD still has major--fundamental--problems, and my Model Y needs to use both computers to barely eek out a gimped version of FSD. Also, what the heck does FSD have to do with not needing an extended-cab Model Y??
Plus they're not selling the X there anymore
It already did unsupervised FSD delivering a car from factory to customer. Mixed highway/city driving. In reality it's doing a ton of unsupervised FSD today, the safety driver in the robotaxis are not really doing anything 99% of the time, only issuing a hard stop - not intervening in the driving.
It doesn't seem like anyone here understands that Musk's comment is not about cars that people would buy, he's saying that likely 100% of factory capacity for a year or two at least will be taken building robotaxis for the U.S. that Tesla would own and run.
Is this the one with a steel roof?
Huh? Do you not realize that if it goes unsupervised, they can sell it for a way higher price and/or get way more sales? This is a pretty simple concept, so I'm not sure why you're not understanding it.
I really don't understand your point here. I'm literally just saying they can raise the price massively and/or get way more sales when it goes unsupervised.
Dude it’s crazy Elon talks about everyone needs to have kids but doesn’t make a family friendly car, that is affordable. Recently we had to use my friends Mitsubishi outlander 7 seater for 3 kids 4 adults visiting friends, and that’s not even big families. They had a model y and wished they could get the L in 7 seat. Our 4Runner is perfect size and has 7 seats AND (wow can you believe it) fits 2 dogs AND stuff in the back. If Tesla made a rivian style (4Runner) and it was fairly affordable and could actually go off pavement they would take over the world
Is maintenance a huge bummer on the rivian? Heard they’re in the shop a lot.
I wish Tesla would do a proper three row SUV. Additionally, the falcon wing is nice, but I can put a Thule on top so there's even less storage on a Model X
lol
Wtf does self-driving have to do with more seats?
If this comes to the US, instant buy (if it's priced well anyways)
Wow, even Fred is calling for Elon's head. Times are changin.
Self driving lol Keep digging that hole Elon.
I don’t think there’s going to be much of a market for a $100k+ car that maybe drives itself.
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> In reality it's doing a ton of unsupervised FSD today, the safety driver in the robotaxis are not really doing anything 99% of the time Not really doing anything… except *supervising.*
Didn't know self-driving makes more seats
I’ve gotten lucky, so far but it’s only 11k miles and about a year old. Some not so lucky. I’m definitely nervous to be honest. But it’s an awesome car otherwise. If they can get reliability figured out, Rivian can be a force in the car market IMO. Love our Y too though!!
Not at all, here's what you are not understanding, When you are in a normal Tesla with supervised FSD you have to touch the wheel about once a minute or it stops driving. In the Robotaxi, the safety driver is not supervising. He's there only in case of emergency basically. The car is driving itself all the time otherwise, no intervention or approval from the safety person - who is not even sitting in the drivers seat so cannot adjust the pedals. If a person is just sitting in the passengers sat not driving, and the car is driving all day - how on earth can you justify not calling that full self driving? That's exactly what it is doing.
How about you do what I and everyone else with FSD does...not touch the steering wheel anymore since it does it entirely with eye tracking.
The Y is too small of a jump to justify trading in the M3LR. The YL however....
Until it comes to my car, it doesn’t matter what they have “done”. Sure they have robotaxi but they literally have safety driver which make it supervised…. When I mentioned unsupervised FSD, that literally means liability is in Tesla when FSD is engaged….that how good unsupervised FSD need to be.
Now this is a pure lie. He’s saying this so the regular Y sales don’t slow down with people waiting on the L. In December he will say due to such high interest in the L we are speeding up the timeline to Q1 or Q2 2026. Thats how Tesla operates….pure lie after lie. Imagine how slow sales would be if he said the L is coming in a few months….mark my words
Person I replied to is acting like Elon was bullshitting the release date and left out the context that the “2 months later” was from the previous year
It’ll be out right before Duke Nukem Forever (this will identify the census in the sub!)
This makes dad very happy since he now doesn’t have too participate visiting mother-in-law. He grabs beers and goes fishing. Sitting on the deck, he briefly opens the Tesla app to check sentry mode and watches the kids chase the grandparents cat around the property. With a warm and fuzzy feeling he closes the app, leans back and thinks: „even if it may not be Elon, but there definitely is a god“.
It’s supervised. There is literally a supervisor in the car. Unsupervised means you can get in your car alone and take a nap while it drives you somewhere.
I’m not sure I understand: So what’s the purpose of the safety driver then? Is he there to „emergency stop“ it? So then he _is_ supervising…?!?
I’m saying Tesla has already sold “unsupervised FSD capability” for the current and past prices. Sure they can charge an obscene amount, but that has never been their messaging, for what that’s worth. It was kinda a joke, but also kinda not really. But thinking about it now, how far do you think they could go before they won’t be able to sell enough cars to keep their factories profitable? People do still have to pay their mortgage and most teslas sold are meant to be relatively affordable. Sales would go up for sure, but I wonder what the price ceiling would be.
This seems likely. More of a “nothing to see here” because Tesla isn’t ready to produce the MYL in the US right now.
This! We will see it in Q4 after the rebates disappear.
Agreed and GM and Hyundai are doing it now. Personally I rather have a Tesla version.
It came out 14 years ago dude
Yeah the robotaxi is amazing. It’s an unsold Y with a sticker that takes 3 different humans to operate and follow. Incredible technology.
Why'd you put "maybe" in there? We're literally talking about what price it would be if it does drive itself.
The prices are relatively low now because unsupervised isn't here yet and people aren't certain it will come and when it will come. Hardly anyone would pay $50k for the mere promise of unsupervised some time in the future. Once it has actually been delivered, the prices can go way up, because then it becomes certain and immediate, and the value is there. That has literally always been their messaging. Remember the whole "appreciating assets" thing? I really don't think you're comprehending the magnitude of the value here. How much money does a full-time Uber driver make in a year?
I’m not arguing with you or saying you’re overestimating. I’m trying to see your perspective on how much you think they could charge. I looked some stuff up for myself and it’s seeming like you’re right, they could charge a whole lot of money if people can basically be Uber and charge Uber fees (and get insurance). I wonder how that would work out in reality though, when it’s such a “no-brainer”. It seems way too good to be true.
Seat* It makes it a 6 seater over a 5. It doesn’t work in this market either since Americans are larger and don’t fit in the 3rd row. Also it reduces cargo greatly so using all 6 seats and cargo won’t happen especially for thousands more. It’s meant as a people mover for Asian markets.
The purpose of touching the wheel/ attention monitoring is just to make sure you’re supervising the car. The guy in the test robotaxi is also supervising the car, there’s just no nag mechanism. There’s no difference except the nag.
It does seem too good to be true, but think about it: You literally have an asset that can do an Uber driver's job. Why *wouldn't* it be able to make Uber driver wages for you? That's why the price will go up. Tesla isn't just going to sell this for cheap and have their customers rake in $100k per year for basically free. They will either charge a ton of money for purchasing FSD, collect massive fees for using it, or both. Either way, they will be eating good.
The difference between 99% and 100% is all the difference in the world
Leg support and taller were my main issues resolved
There's no question that this has been overhyped for \~10 years now. But the leap in the past six months is the largest step forward in that period. Like many, I was highly skeptical to the point I thought it would be 5+ years away. I watched HW1 with nVidia and Mobileye come and go. Then HW2.5, then HW3, and finally HW4. Have you used FSD v13 on HW4? It's the first time I went, "This could actually get to where it was promised."
Haha this is me!!
I would trade in my 22MY in a heartbeat for this MY L variant.
I just want the black headliner…
Sorry you can't comprehend what is happening. It's 100% on 99% of drives... and as mentioned it has already done a drive without any humans present to make a delivery. Sorry but you simply know too little about this to have a.real conversation, have a nice life! I'm not responding again. You already know what you need to, you just need to put it together.
99% of 100%. Otherwise known as 99%.
Yes of course but that's what I'm saying, the "Safety driver" does none of that. He's just there in case the car did have to stop somewhere. But in 99% of drives, it just drives the whole time without correction, and the softer driver does nothing. That is unsupervised driving because you do not correct the driving. I;m really surprised people on a Tesla board of all things have to be told this.
The kids will ride alone. Suuure.
They make a 7 seater… which is more than 6. Joking aside, self driving is irrelevant and I agree
I guess we’ll just forget all the people that have paid for FSD worldwide?
Has everyone forgotten the Robovan? It was introduced at the same time as the Cybercab. Why would you need a six-seater when you can get a 20-seater with plenty of room for the family dogs as well?
This is not the same as the laughable seven-seater variant. It's notably longer and taller. Adult humans can actually fit in the third row. Would I like to see THIS chassis used for a seven-seat US variant? Yes. While I wouldn't get one (My garage just barely holds the current Y with my tool cabinets in place) my father-in-law would almost certainly replace his MY and his larger occasional-use people-mover with it.
Have you seen the pics of Asians siting in the back seat? Lol no. No adult human will sit in the back seat.
Was that as intentionally racist as it sounds?
True, but "your car will make you money when you're not using it" is a pretty good hook for a lot of people.
Because Tesla will never develop full self driving as you describe it. The fact that they’re using only cameras is the nail in the coffin. So this is a completely moot conversation.
Ok, that's your opinion. I'm asking you what price they would be able to charge *if* they hypothetically *did* release an unsupervised full self-driving system.
It'll soon be sexually.
But that extra 1% is the whole thing that matters. There is a world of difference in value in a car that requires me to stay alert, watch the road, and be prepared to intervene if necessary and one that allows me to sleep, work, read, etc. without personal liability for the car's driving. Tesla has not shipped the latter to customers yet, and until they do most of the potential value of Unsupervised FSD (which we used to just call FSD since everyone knew that unsupervised was supposed to be the goal) hasn't actually been realized yet.
The xtra 1% doesn't matter at all, it's like a grain of sand -because 99% of the time the car is simply driving itself. The safety drivers are just there for the lawyers, the reality is the car is driving. As shown by the cars delivering themselves to customers without humans in the car. I'm sorry this is all beyond your comprehension, you'll see soon enough. This is my last message as you just cannot understand reality, you have inverted it to fit some warped mental model you have of what is happening.
TIL actually releasing the feature to customers in a form that allows the car to drive without driver attention and liability “doesn’t matter at all”
What did he say that was incorrect? Did you get the refresh in 2024?
Model X has already been cannibalized. I'd say R1S is probably taking even more sales than the model Y. It has more space, more range, and in my opinion is better looking. Unless FSD is all you care about Rivian is a better buy in almost every measure.
You really think unsupervised FSD ist coming out in the next 2 years? 😂
It's literally supervised. That's what the safety driver is there for. If 1/100 drives need correction, that's way too high to be unsupervised. I don't correct the driving when I'm using FSD, I just supervise in case it needs to stop. Me looking at the road doesn't help it.
Very curious your reasons!
No, and I’m not sure I agree with the premise. “Just buy a whole new car, a $15,000 software package, and beta test this for them. I promise this time it’s really good.” I bought the car with the expectation that I had all that I needed for FSD to function as the very public CEO comments were saying it would.
As a parent I would not mind the peace and quiet.
so where is it? MYL is there.
Model YL, GTA6, Sun goes supernova, unsupervised FSD <-- correct order.
Is Tesla just allergic to selling good cars now
Probably obvious but I think Elon is overestimating people's willingness and desire to abandon car ownership, especially in the US. Even if unsupervised FSD is completely solved and the Robotaxi economics are compelling for consumers. People attach their identifies to their cards, they like seeing them in their garage, leaving stuff like sunglasses, snacks, and their kids booster seats in them. I can see adoption in cities where parking is an issue or with people on tight budgets, but don't see it happening in the suburbs and rural America for generations.
Sales will be so crazy in China he'll change his mind.
He is delusional
Isn’t it great how an American company prioritizes innovation in China 🙄
Same - would make switch
I fully agree with that. It's unacceptable to promise something you can't deliver. He should be held accountable for that. At the same time, it can also be true that it's finally close to where it should have been.
That could be true! I just won’t know until I put down tens of thousands of dollars to see. Though if you’re enjoying it, that’s what matters.
Just the fact that you mention $15k shows me how out of touch you are. It's $8k. Last time the price was $15k was 2 years ago. And when's the last time you tried it yourself? Latest v13 on HW4?
Yes. This dude is a moron and a racist.
You should definitely not bring a larger, better, more comfortable version of the best selling car in the world to North America. Musk: Are you insane? Lay off the K and let someone else drive.
Yeah, until you think about it for 10 seconds. People will need cars the most during rush hours, but that's when you're already driving to and from work or dropping off your kids. So at that time, there won't be many spare cars available, so most people will still need to own their own cars. The other times are late night on weekends, so you'll wake up to a filthy car on Sunday morning when you want to get breakfast with the family. Fun!
FK how did you know what am I doing everyday
It may or may not ever happen. And if it happens it may or may not be successful. But if they do release it I doubt they will have trouble finding takers, at least initially.
I didn't even expect it coming here. Figured it was only a China variant.
Im really afraid that Elon is over estimating the value of self driving robotaxis to many Americans. The simple reality is that calling for a taxi and waiting is just not realistic. Beyond that the sprawl makes coverage by any business problematic. Robotaxis will work in the urban areas where taxis already operate but will be seen negatively outside of such zones.
Ellon still doesn't get the “range” issue. Range should really be battery capacity as you need the capacity to cover low temperatures and adverse power usage. Winter driving is still a problem in EV’s. Beyond that there are still places in the USA where the distance between chargers is to great.
Robotaxi will never meet the expectations of the bulls or even Elon. They will be successful but i don't see the majority of Americans giving up on owning a car. Humanity didnt give up on horses until something much better came along for personal transportation. We might see families giving up on multiple cars but the pleasure and ease of use of a personally owned vehicle is hard to deny.
FSD isn't the issue for personally owned vehicles it is actually a positive. On the other hand i see Robotaxis as a bit of a boondoggle for Tesla. Also as FSD gets better i can see it become a huge driver of demand in the context of personally owned cars. The roads will be safer. At some point i can see a FSD solution being mandatory on some roads.
Yep i cant see it being high valued by most productive people. FSD on the other hand could be massive for privately owned transportation.
The market share gains would be significant. This especially if the car simple handles four full grown adults better. This doesn't even consider larger families.
The thing is an automous car is much, much better than a car. Most people spend between $0.50 to $0.75 per mile to own a car. An automous car could be half of that. Most people love money and want more of it. But what's way more important is time. Imagine if you have an hour commute to work each morning. You either leave at 8am and deal with the stress of driving, the worry of being late, before getting to work at 9 and starting your day. And when the day is over, you deal with another hour of stressful commute before you could finally relax at home close to 6pm. It's basically a 10 hour day to work 8 hours. Imagine instead, not only a relaxing ride where you can watch TV or whatever, but what's even way more mind-blowing, imagine leaving for work at 9am on the dot, and logging into your laptop from the car. You're working, but you don't leave your house until 8:55 because you can work in the car. Then you leave work at 4pm and finish your hour of the workday from your car, and you're home and completely free at 5pm. An 8 hour workday is suddenly actually 8 hours. It's 20% less work An autonomous car gives you back so much time. And that is just as revolutionary to travel as the car was compared to the horse.
Or it becomes commodity tech and other manufacturers reproduce equivalent tech and sell it to customers.
Showcases are basically well arrange staged scenes to fool misinformed buyers. Handle situations after situations with static data are the only things actual matters. It has proven again and again that Tesla FSD are stupid amateur shit that out people’s life in danger.
There are about ten billion videos on YouTube that say otherwise - YTA. Sorry, but I have this rule where I always block retards.
Model Y L is a perfect fit for the USA market as families wanting 3 row seat. Elon needs to step down as CEO if he can't see this
It would be amazing if they made a model XL or a minivan. I’m not holding my breath. But I can dream
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