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Tesla finally releases Sentry Mode energy-saving update in 2024.38.4, but only for Cybertruck | Presumably these Sentry Mode improvements will roll out to the rest of the fleet in

chrisdh79 | 2024-10-30 15:00 | 407 views

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chrisdh79 2024-10-30 15:01

From the article: Tesla has rolled out a new software update aimed at significantly reducing Sentry Mode’s energy consumption. This feature was first announced as coming earlier this year and expected in Q2, but it has only been released now, and apparently only for the Cybertruck. Back in February of this year Drew Baglino, the now former SVP Powertrain and Energy Engineering, revealed in a post on X that the company was working on a software update that would reduce Sentry Mode’s power drain by up to 40%. According to independent tests, Sentry Mode can consume up to 10-15% of the car’s battery per day.

codetony 2024-10-30 15:06

Sentry mode is by far the biggest power draw in an idle car. I think the reason is that the FSD computer needs to be running for Sentry mode to work. Honestly in New vehicles they should have a separate, smaller computer for Sentry mode. A raspberry pi should work fine.

[deleted] 2024-10-30 15:09

Totally. I use more power running sentry mode parked at work that I do driving to and from work

LurkerWithAnAccount 2024-10-30 15:18

I mean, my older laptop can throttle CPU performance and it reduces the power draw, so presumably Tesla can do the same, right?

YouKidsGetOffMyYard 2024-10-30 15:22

I hope this is the case but "released" is not really the case at least not yet. Apparently at least one CyberTruck owner (but apparently only in Mexico) got a update that said it had Sentry mode power savings in the Release notes. But it seems suspicious as why only CyberTruck Owners in Mexico reporting this. If 2024.38.4 really had this then why haven't the other US based CyberTruck owners also reported this in their release notes. And this update may only fix a power usage problem for CyberTruck which may not even be applicable for the rest of the Tesla's.

weiga 2024-10-30 15:25

I don’t think 38.4 is available for the US Cybertrucks. Our latest version is 33.15

brutal_maximum 2024-10-30 15:25

What gives out that this will be available for other platforms than the newest one (Cybertruck)?

Otto_the_Autopilot 2024-10-30 15:25

The CPU is liquid cooled so just running the cooling loop could also be a significant energy draw.

[deleted] 2024-10-30 15:52

Me too. 2% driving to work, 7% sentry mode, 4% preconditioning the car to drive home, 2% driving home. It's kind of hilarious.

No_Froyo5359 2024-10-30 16:00

Adding a raspberry pi for sentry mode is such a great idea. Have you considered sending your resume in?

markn6262 2024-10-30 16:13

According to [Teslascope](https://teslascope.com/software/2024.38.4) all models except the CT are getting it. Seems atypical that a release would only give a feature to the CT otherwise wouldn’t it be in another version number?

AJ4Retros 2024-10-30 16:18

Isn’t this the update that will shut off all usb ports and 12v ports ? It’s been known to be coming soon as an update.

velociapcior 2024-10-30 16:34

Why precondition takes so much?

pSyChO_aSyLuM 2024-10-30 16:40

When I had my older Model 3 without a heat pump, it would eat way more than that pre-conditioning in the winter. In the summer, it wasn't as bad as using heat, but it still ate quite a bit to get the temp down.

bittabet 2024-10-30 16:45

I honestly wish they would let us control whether or not to power the 12V outlets when the car is off or in sentry again. Even if they want to give a big fire risk warning I'd rather have the option.

contaygious 2024-10-30 16:49

🛑 Killing cars are airports lol. Anyone who is not tech savy and doesn't turn it off literally the car dies. I forgot once and luckily a charger was 10m away Omg. Downvoters never had my issue so good to be you I guess lol. Try driving to a charger that is far away from airport

ali-gzl 2024-10-30 16:55

I hope they’re not managing Sentry through a separate efficiency chip for the Cybertruck. If that’s the case, our vehicles will never consume less

mistsoalar 2024-10-30 16:56

sounds like unique patch for cybertruck?

FIREgenomics 2024-10-30 17:21

THIS

[deleted] 2024-10-30 17:23

It cold

uhmhi 2024-10-30 17:25

2%? You ought to take your bike instead, lol

Coreldan 2024-10-30 17:26

Doesnt it turn it automatically off at 20% anyways? And apparently with sentry, summon etc off the car only loses like 1% a week in idle

[deleted] 2024-10-30 17:28

I do in the summer! :) Winter there is far too much snow and the roads narrow and there are big trucks everywhere, it's simply not safe without bike paths.

katze_sonne 2024-10-30 17:41

Yesn't. Modern smartphones often have multiple cores, some of them energy saving (for small background tasks) as well as some performance cores. I think the ARM MacBooks also have it, not sure. So yeah no, "simply throttling" a CPU isn't enough if you really want to be efficient.

malacide 2024-10-30 17:54

Buy snow tires. 👈😎 👈

imacleopard 2024-10-30 17:57

Same thing for just sending commands through the app. Hate having to refresh the app or tapping a command and waiting up to 30s for the car to wake up and finally do the thing I want it to do. No reason why they couldn't just add a tiny pi-like computer to take care of cell and waking up the car for commands without having to really worry about idle drain.

[deleted] 2024-10-30 18:00

I would, but where I'm from we get an absurd, truly absurd amount of snow, like 2-3 feet overnight a few times every winter, and it gets to -40c sometimes and is usually -20 to -30 most winter days. Add to that icy roads, narrowed streets due to snowbanks, deep snow, rocks and gravel, and big trucks everywhere that don't know how to drive, and a total lack of car-free bike paths, and you can see how winter biking isn't super practical up here.

contaygious 2024-10-30 18:03

It does now thank gosh, my car got to 1% before the update . But sometimes that isn't enough to get to a charger. My model 3 got to 20% in four days from full due to all the airport cars setting off sentry driving by

malacide 2024-10-30 18:06

Ez. Get a snow plow attach to front of bike. Buy bigger jacket. Buy the winteriest tires ever made. Buy reflective vest. Buy fast annoying life saving light for back of bike. Get everyone advanced driving training. Petition the city for carefree bike paths. Totally practical. Pz. 👈👈😎 😎👉👉 👈😎👉 👆😎👆 👇😎👇 👉😎👈 🫲😵🫱

uhmhi 2024-10-30 18:07

Yeah, I was just joking. I live in Denmark which is basically an entire country built to provide ideal conditions for cyclists. I know it’s not at all like that in other parts of the world. But good on you for taking the bike when the weather allows it!

Nimradd 2024-10-30 18:36

40% sure is an improvement, but I’m still a bit surprised how much power it uses. Is there a specific reason for it?

[deleted] 2024-10-30 18:40

Genius

malacide 2024-10-30 18:57

Thanks. I went to public school.

Santoroma17 2024-10-30 18:57

I might be wrong but this is just based on my general understanding of the system. The main issue for power consumption is the fact that the cameras are attached to the FSD computer, which is attached to the MCU which is then attached to the USB ports. So they have to stream the cameras through the FSD computer, then into the MCU where motion detection occurs, that then needs to be constantly compressed and then stored to disk. So basically the entire car has to be on at all points. I was hoping for hw4 and now for ai5 to have a dedicated USB port that is hooked up directly to the FSD computer with a tiny coprocessor so that everything can just be done by the FSD computer in a low power State. For now I'm hoping this fix is them moving the motion detection and maybe even the compression over to the FSD computer, so maybe the MCU only gets woken up when there is an event and that gets written to disc. Just my hunch though.

Nimradd 2024-10-30 19:06

Yeah it does make sense, but it’s still an obscene power draw. 7-8 kWh each day is estimated some places. That’s almost twice of what a PS5 can do at full speed if run 24/7

ChrisSlicks 2024-10-30 19:12

The power requirements doubled going from HW 2.5 to 3, sentry consumption used to be about half. I suspect that the update throttles down CPU usage and sleeps components that don't need to be awake. Right now it seems everything is on whether it is needed or not. Should get us back to close to where we started with HW 2.5.

Draglung 2024-10-30 19:14

No it’s not. That was a silent update

Santoroma17 2024-10-30 19:18

It's definitely a bit less than twice, I don't have one but apparently the ps5's consumption is about 160 to 200w I think Sentry remote averages about 240 but you're in the ballpark of 1.5 PS5s. Which is a lot, but once again you are running four cameras, an entire FSD computer and the entirety of the MCU. And they're not just on and idling they are actively compressing and running motion detection. I'm hoping maybe they're using the occupancy Network or something to just see if something gets close to the car. It's definitely a lot of consumption, but because the systems not air cooled you're also going to occasionally have to run the pump and potentially the radiator etc. It's definitely high because it wasn't designed to do what it does. A properly designed system could probably run for a year off of the power consumption that the current one uses in a week.

Nimradd 2024-10-30 19:25

Yeah, maybe my numbers were exaggerated a bit. I’m running an entire suite of security cameras in my house with AI based events at like one tenth of the power draw of my Tesla.

Santoroma17 2024-10-30 20:01

Oh it can definitely be done, like I mean realistically the cameras are probably single digit number of Watts each. So even if we just say 20 watts for all four. The big thing is though your setup is going to be running on a system that was designed to do that thing. That's why I don't know why hw4 wasn't very different. Sentry mode was an afterthought, the system wasn't designed to have the cameras on and running but not have the car on. I mean honestly they might be able to get 40% savings just by using a substantially more optimized compression or motion detection algorithm. But I have a feeling it's got something to do with keeping the MCU off. I guess we'll have to see what hardware this comes to. If my hw3 Intel vehicle gets it, I'll be happy.

[deleted] 2024-10-30 20:33

4 percent precondition to drive home? How long before you leave do you turn on climate? Pop it on 15 minutes before it shouldn't even drain a percent.

[deleted] 2024-10-30 21:11

It takes 4% to precondition in the morning as well. Part of it might be that I have a standard range 60kWh battery, part of it is that it's often -20 to -30c outside.

[deleted] 2024-10-30 21:14

ah that makes more sense.

takaiguchi 2024-10-30 21:29

Yep.

matthew19 2024-10-30 22:10

I hear that sentry uses the 12v / 16v battery for power, then the car charges that as it gets low.

Specific_Way1654 2024-10-30 23:14

Meh we’ll see

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SippieCup 2024-10-31 02:18

Close, it is still all doing that even in the cybertruck. They won’t give a rw port on the apu, they want to keep it as isolated as possible and pass through to the mcu for this stuff. Transcoding is faster on the mcu than apu. The reason why is they started implementing power saving and under clocking in the kernels for the first time, probably made easier with changes they have made in general to the kernels over the past year. Also why all the usb ports turn off now as well.

Santoroma17 2024-10-31 02:21

Yep, the main pack stays disengaged as far as I'm aware, and if you're plugged into the wall every couple hours you get little top-ups from the grid.

say592 2024-10-31 03:02

I realized I was spending like $10/month just to have sentry on at work, so I finally excluded work. I just try to park in view of the security cameras

say592 2024-10-31 03:10

I do leave on Sunday return on Thursday trips frequently and come back with ~60% and that includes preconditioning and driving to the airport (about 8 or 10 miles, I don't know off the top of my head). If it was a problem in the past, it hasnt been a problem in the three years I've had my car.

the_one_jt 2024-10-31 04:46

I really hope they allow us to turn that back on in some fashion. API control would be ideal

ScorpRex 2024-10-31 06:27

Iterative improvements

contaygious 2024-10-31 06:30

Nice maybe because I have the first three

HenryLoenwind 2024-10-31 07:42

I'm at no means an expert, but I would suspect that motion detection runs on the FSD computer as a neural net, and the MCU doesn't have to compress any video unless a motion was detected. So the MCU can basically idle most of the time. Which would make me guess they either made the MCU better at idling, or the sentry NN more efficient. Or both.

allegory_corey 2024-10-31 07:44

No. Main pack stays engaged for sentry. That's how i keep my fridge running when I'm not in the car.

HenryLoenwind 2024-10-31 07:45

Ok, at -30C I'd suspect part of the "sentry mode power use" also is keeping the car from freezing solid... ;) ;)

HenryLoenwind 2024-10-31 07:49

Because devices that are plugged in can catch fire when they are powered, but cannot when they are not powered. And an increase from 0 to any number is an increase...

[deleted] 2024-10-31 10:37

Because people plug in hinkydink Aliexpress and Temu crap and then wonder that its not up to western safety standards…

Santoroma17 2024-10-31 11:12

I don't think even running the fridge though means that it keeps the pack engaged, that's what the 12 volt is for. Having an extra load just means it would have to charge it up more often. Although it might keep it to engage just so it doesn't wear out the contactor. I'm pretty sure during Sentry mode I've heard the contactors click occasionally.

TiramisuAlreadyTaken 2024-10-31 11:48

Interesting. I thought they released the software update in the spring, and that something was wrong with my 22MY. 3-4% battery loss in 8 hours. Recording and processing many cameras sure is intensive. But the overhead of keeping the entire system across the car powered on is perhaps what makes the problem hard to solve. They cannot disabled one part of the CAN without turning off the entire system.

Dr_Pippin 2024-10-31 14:07

The risk is the device being plugged in catching fire and no one being there to notice it smoking initially. Nothing to do with the car's wiring.

allegory_corey 2024-11-01 02:18

I run 12v directly from the main battery to run my fridge, so i can confirm that, yes, it stays engaged.

Santoroma17 2024-11-01 02:24

When you say the main battery do you mean the high voltage or the 12 volt battery. I would assume that you're pulling 12 volts from the 12-volt battery.

allegory_corey 2024-11-01 03:53

I'm taking 12v off the HV battery under the back seat, not the 12v battery up front.

UltraLisp 2024-11-01 17:48

10 bucks a month, on just the electricity?

say592 2024-11-01 22:40

Yes, sentry uses a lot of power.

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