On the fence about a new Model Y due to the removal of standard Autosteer/Lane Centering

>"I know I can get it back with the $99/month FSD subscription, and I’m okay with that price for now.  Autosteer does not come back when you pay the $99/mo for FSD. You will end up with only two options - Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Full Self Driving Supervised. That said, FSD is really the biggest reason to buy a Tesla. I bought mine with the intention of paying for FSD because that was really the main thing I wanted. If not for FSD I would have probably bought a Lexus RX450h+. All the cars I've bought after around 2015 have had some type of cruise control with lane centering and there is zero comparison between that and FSD. FSD isn't highway assistance, it's a chauffer. It's not perfect but you won't be disappointed.

I have the original 2020 Model Y. While I have HW3 on Intel chips, so I can’t compare it to the newer systems, FSD on my car was beyond frustrating, to the point that I just turned it off. Autopilot is all I need, and it is not a point I’m willing to compromise on. I work shift work as a doctor, and night shifts kill me. I’d be a liar if I said I don’t occasionally drift to sleep for a second or two on the drive home, and autopilot has literally saved my life plenty of times. In fact, autopilot is the only feature of the Tesla that I care about. I don’t care about acceleration, or even that it’s an EV, any supposedly technological features. Only autopilot and its crash test ratings. I would recommend finding a barely used Tesla with autosteer. It is completely worth it.

You shouldn’t be driving if you know you are falling asleep constantly - you’re not just a danger to yourself but could end up killing others I understand doctors and shift work is crazy - is there no other option for you to get home safely?

I agree. But that’s the thing, I’m not doing it intentionally. I don’t know when it’s going to happen. Most the time I think I feel fine, and it just happens for a split second, and it scares the shit out of me. I don’t ever drive home thinking, “well if I doze off it’s not a big deal because the Tesla will take over.” And it doesn’t often. But when it does happen, that’s when the car does what I got it for.

For me the current configuration of MY is a no-go. And it's a pure software thing. I want to be able to switch between cruise control and autopilot (with lane centering) on demand, not choose one or another without being able to change it when driving.

Not sure timeline of when you tried FSD but I have a 2020 w/ HW3 also and it’s actually pretty awesome now. After the trial I attempted to use Autopilot for a while and to me it was wayyyy too aggressive with its approach and made me feel like it needed constant monitoring to work right. Obviously it didn’t care about stop signs or lights. I went right back to FSD. Not that it’s a good habit but if you’re worried about falling asleep FSD can literally get you to the destination safe even on hw3. Obviously it’ll ask for intervention once it sees you’re sleeping but that’s another benefit.

You have to be comfortable with owning an expensive depreciating asset tied to a subscription service that can change at any point of your goal is to own a Tesla and use FSD.

I agree. For a company that is so far ahead of the curve, they are so far behind it at the same time. Why FFS, can you not switch between them without putting the car in park?

You can do this using a second profile.

Interesting. Autopilot does beep at me without any intervention, so I can’t ignore it for more than a few seconds.

I'm aware that there's a workaround, but that's not something I want to do on motorway. Plus, I would assume, it will interrupt music playback etc.

FSD does the same unless you can play tricks on it with glasses or a pic of yourself. I guess my point is that I can drive point to point without intervening even on hw3 so it *could* deliver you home safely if it had to and didn’t have the intervention.

Especially when it works well in my pre-facelift MY. I drive on motorway using standard cruise control, but when I need to relax more or whatever, I switch to autopilot (I have EAP). But I don't like to use it all the time, because even in Mad Max mode it's too relaxed to change lanes and I can't change them without it being deactivated (another dumb decision on Tesla part IMHO)

FSD all the way. $110/mo for premium connectivity & FSD is a no brainer.

I love my 2 Model Ys. I have only owned them since August and September. But every time Tesla has 'enhanced' the software, they have actually made it less and less desirable to the point where I don't think I'll ever buy another one. I really like lane centering on my cars. They both have it, and so do my 2 Subarus. I could not go back to a car that does not have lane centering anymore. I have to say, the FSD was great when I got my first Tesla, so much so that I bought my wife one too. Then came the speed profiles and that shit killed my faith in FSD. I wanted to buy FSD before they cut off the 'buy it outright option', but with speed profiles and 'you can't move FSD to your next Tesla' bullshit, I said no way. And now, $99 a month to essentially have lane centering is absurd and I won't pay it. What I use now, autosteer lane centering, is my 'fuck you' back at Tesla for their multiple 'fuck you's'.

Funny how you admit something you're doing wrong, or just plain being human, and there'll always be someone here to tell you you're doing a bad thing. Sounds like you're in the ER. If that's the case, I fly em to you. Thanks for what you do.

I bought mine in August last year. FSD was awesome and not perfect. Since they downgraded it with speed profiles, I hate it. I drive a lot on the interstate, every 7 days I have a 450 mile commute. Supervising the speed transgressions and lane changes have taken the joy of FSD away from me. They could make this system so great. I have to buy it for a trip to Miami for my wife to use, but after that I won't pay for it again til I hear they have gotten rid of speed profiles.

Oh yes I forgot about changing lanes. Good god. I also have 2 Subarus with lane keep assist, the same thing as autosteer. Subaru have done the system so much better. I'm sure the FSD engineers at Tesla have never driven a car in their (pre pubescent) lives.

Speed profiles have existed since October 2024. I guess what you're really complaining about is the different behavior in v14, but in my experience v14 is significantly better than v13 (despite v13 already being amazing).

I have a MYJ and this is the dumbest thing. Seriously, such an awful choice. This one thing kind of makes me regret my purchase. I actually want to subscribe to FSD but I will never do it because it means that I can never use my cruise control, which is what I prefer most of the time. I know exactly how I would like to use it, because I used to have a 2023 MY and I liked to use both. I use cruise most of the time but when I want FSD, this is an ad hoc decision while driving. It’s not a conscious decision I make when I leave my house. I guess Tesla feels so confident in their FSD product that they think people will choose FSD over cruise control, but that is asinine imo. As a sidenote, I am literally leaving for a 2500 mile road trip tomorrow and I would love to use FSD, but there is no way I’m going to subscribe to it for a month because I don’t want to be on some long stretch of highway and wish I had cruise control and not be able to use it. The current setup is just dumb; there’s no other way to describe it.

I don't like how autosteer works and I genuinely hate FSD.  It's horrible.  Even cruise control sucks on this car.  After 3 Teslas I will likely not buy another. If I could shut off traffic aware cruise control and use it like regular cruise I would be happy.  Phantom braking makes me want to leave this car in a ditch some days.

Exactly. I usually drive using CC only, because I can and want to steer as well as change lanes (much better than EAP that I have does). If I need/want to use EAP, so be it, but don't want to make the decision ahead of driving.

I don't mind the speed profiles but they really do need to bring back manual speed adjustments while in any given profile. Today I was running late so decided to use the Hurry profile. It had me going 80 in a 65mph road. Standard will not go faster than 72. It would have been perfect to have the Hurry driving style but be able to set the max speed to 74, which is about the limit to not attract police attention. Standard going 72 would be fine except the Standard driving style is a little too conservative with its lane choices and lane changes. It will often get stuck doing 68 behind a slow car and because it's already in the center lane, doesn't change lanes to go around. It doesn't really drive like a person would. 72 is a hair too slow, 80 is way too fast and will for sure get you pulled over if there's a cop around. There's a huge happy medium that it completely ignores. A real "Standard", which is described as emulating the average driver, would have me going 74 or 75 on that road. I've seen people complain that Mad Max drives too slow, even below the speed limit on some roads, but when I tried Mad Max it had me blazing down an offramp with a 50mph speed limit at 80, with cars stopped not too far ahead! I disengaged immediately.

I just got my model y last month. Best car I’ve ever had

This is what I want to know as well. Second profile is truly a work around and not a solution. I know it's only a one time set up in most cases, but signing back into all of my apps etc on a 2nd profile just to make this work is dumb. If the car can switch between the 2 drive modes while driving, by changing profile, it seems it could change modes while driving under one profile. It's all just to get people to buy FSD.

Having gone through the various FSD updates where it stayed center lane regardless of traffic to the way it’ll move over just a bit for rice rockets passing in between lanes and to move even further for Harleys and bigger motorcycles then recenter afterwards is one of the little things that makes subscribing for FSD worth it imo.

Personally, I think anyone thinking of buying should hold off. Let sales plummet and see how quickly autosteer appears back on the menu.

To be fair Tesla’s auto pilot is firmly stuck in 2022 and is not that great. Here are a couple of examples from my HW4 car. The car sees phantoms, everywhere. Drive under an over pass? The car will stab at the brakes. Drive on the freeway with nobody around? PHANTOMS! Jam on the brakes. The centering feature simply puts the car between the lines. If the lines diverge like freeway exits the car gets lost and starts driving erratically. I don’t know how autopilot compares to other cars, but I never use it because it pretty much sucks. I do you FSD when they give it away free or on long road trips, but for day to day driving it’s not worth $99/month to me.

Yep. My 2023 was totaled back in June and I was just sharing a car with my wife for a few months deciding on what I wanted to buy. I already had an R2 reservation and I probably would’ve just waited until the R2 released to make up my mind, but the tax credits were ending and that was too big of a price savings to pass up, so I went ahead and bought a new MY. Now that the R2 is on the horizon, I’m having some buyers remorse.

At least for now, FSD is well worth all of that.

That sucks but it sounds like Teslas aren't for you. Honestly, FSD is the only reason I bought a Tesla. If FSD didn't exist I would have bought a Lexus. But after having a Tesla for a couple of weeks, I absolutely love it, although I'm sure a big part of that is FSD.

FSD never beeps at me unless I've spent too long futzing around with the touchscreen or my phone and not looking at the road. The only other time it beeped at me was at about 10:00 at night when I was driving and eating a pizza at the same time.

If you’re in California I am considering selling my 2025 MYP (previous body style). It has 1737 miles on it. Red with white interior. Still has auto steer.

Question… does autosteer use all the cameras “looking” 360 from a safety perspective like FSD (supervised)? Or is autosteer only looking forward?

Ding ding

Not for me.

I had a Subaru a few years ago with their Eyesight system. It pales in comparison to FSD. Not to mention, it constantly nags you if you don't have your hands on the wheel. And it tried to drive me off the road a few times, or even head on into one of those impact absorbers you see on freeways in case you drift off the road or where the lane splits into two and you can either go right or left, and in the middle is the beginning of a divider and they put one of those impact absorbers for people who are easily confused and decide to drive into the concrete divider. That aside, I absolutely loved my Subaru. It was a regular Forester and had massive amounts of cargo space and the best outward visibility of any car I've ever driven. I took it through mountains, deep snow, unmarked and unmaintained "roads" in the snow, 4-wheeling in the desert, and it handled it all without a problem. I keep telling myself that the day Subaru puts out an EV with real self-driving, or even a PHEV with a range of 100 miles and FSD, it will be my next car.

Buy a used one with auto steer. Save a ton of money and get the feature back.

the one i bought 3 months ago is better than yours since it still has autopilot

Your money your decision

I've always disliked FSD.  I want to drive the car.  I just didn't realize how horribly Tesla could screw up something as bad as "radar" cruise control.  It's junk.  They've dismissed and intentionally ruined basic features normal cars do fine with. These cars are not for car people.  I regret buying it.  I wanted an EV for many reasons, but basic features are completely broken and have ruined the experience.

Congratulations 🎊

Yeah, I can see the opinion that it's not really for car people. It's more for tech people who want a non-typical driving experience. I consider myself both. I tend to like driving as long as it's not bumper to bumper rush hour traffic or half asleep driving 50+ miles at 2 a.m. to get home after being up for 23 hours. Currently, that describes most of my driving and FSD has made it tolerable. But I spent over 40 years taking very long road trips, like 6000 miles from FL to CA and back, NY to Miami and back, in various regular cars and many years enjoying convertible sports cars in Miami. Also did a few trips to the Tail of the Dragon in TN if you've ever heard of that. I used to do an 8 hour Miami to Key West round trip at least once a month. And I did one of those FL to CA trips in a 2009 base model Honda Fit, no power windows or anything else, stick shift, no cruise control, no satellite radio, no CD player, no nothing. It was a Flintstones mobile. That was......... interesting and I never want to do it again! It could barely make it up some of the mountain roads I ended up on. But I'm also into tech and work in IT. With a Tesla, I can either drive it myself when I feel like it or just turn on FSD and let it do the work while I relax. For me it's almost a perfect car.

Huh? Yes, you can still use tacc, along with FSD. Just setup a second profile. I have a FSD and a TACC profile and can switch between them, although I rarely use TACC anymore.

If you’re not afraid of tinkering, I can highly recommend installing the Comma 4 and running either OpenPilot or SunnyPilot. I have AP but I vastly prefer using the Comma because it doesn’t nag to nudge the wheel and it’ll lane change without disengaging. There are tons of other good reasons but at the core it’s a vastly superior AP.

How difficult is that? And if the vehicle needs service is Tesla going to deny any warranty claims because of it?

I'd buy a used one with autosteer. Saves you money and you get autosteer. I only bought new because when I bought there was still the tax credit on new ones and used prices were jacked up from covid. Also the only ones that qualified for the used credit when I bought were maybe 2018 model 3s with 100k miles (was a few years ago) I wouldn't pay more buying new today for one without autosteer. I hate everything being subscriptions and I have no subscriptions for my Tesla. Don't reward them for removing features.

Oh I agree when comparing FSD to LKA, and it should be miles better. Autosteer and LKA comparisons though, autosteer sucks by comparison. And now that Subaru has 'hands free driving' on highways in the Outback Touring models, they are on my radar for when I drive my Tesla into the ground.

I asked about this a couple months ago and everyone told me this has been fixed and is no longer possible. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I also remember not being able to find any YouTube videos of it. Maybe you can demo it for us?

I don't know about V13 as my first Tesla I bought in August last year. Assuming it came with the latest and greatest, since it was new (I think that's a fair thing to assume), it did not get speed profiles until a couple of updates later. I remember it mentioning them in the update notes. For the relatively short time I did not have speed profiles, I did not have to supervise it speeding as heavily as I have since profiles. One example was I caught it doing 77 in a 55 at night in heavy fog in standard. On a particular multilane road in Texas, with a 50 posted sign, I will be chugging along doing 55 and it slams the brakes on. Looking at the screen, it thinks the posted limit has changed to 30. The positive experiences outweigh the negatives for sure, but the negatives stand out. There was a time it saved me from crashing into a donkey on the road at night. It mashed the brakes and came to a complete stop about a foot from this thing. It started the stopping process well before I could see the thing. I love the FSD and what it can do, but its shortcomings make it easier to drive with just autosteer...at least for me. I mainly do 450 mile commutes in the car every 7 days, so I have had lots of good experience with both systems since August last year.

I'll give them another look when they release hands free driving everywhere, like Teslas already do. For now, there is no other option. I'm sure that will change within the next couple of years but until then, anyone who wants FSD in the US only has one option.

That's false. If you got your car in August 2025, it had v13, which had speed profiles. The update notes often repeat things from prior updates, so it wasn't new with that update you got. Of course, the behavior of the speed profiles can change with updates, but you had speed profiles to begin with. I don't think your issue is the existence of speed profiles. Your issue is the speed behavior not being what you want it to be. One issue of v14.2 in my opinion is that it has hard speed caps based on the detected speed limit. This means that if it falsely detects a slow speed limit, it will rapidly drop its speed towards that cap. v13 didn't have any hard speed caps beyond the percentage offset that you chose, so it was better in that regard (I would set it to +50% so there was effectively no cap in almost all situations). v14 is definitely better overall, and there is some benefit to having hard caps, but I think the hard caps should be removed.

It's about as hard as changing your own cabin air filters on the older Model 3 and Y. It's really plug and play and doesn't interfere with the vehicle as long as you have it set to TACC (what's standard now on all the new Teslas with no AP). You can remove it before bringing it into Tesla for service, but I've left my wiring installed and just removed my Comma since I have a quick mount.

Even if you pay $99/month to use autopilot, the new vehicles don’t have the control stalk and cruise control turns off when you change lanes. The older cars have a stalk and can be configured to maintain speed when autosteer turns off while you change lanes. I would look at a used Tesla to get the stalk and avoid the monthly expense.

What you looking to get for it

Can I ask why?

Sorry my comment wasn't meant to be bashing someone who saves lives as a doctor - its just that they mentioned this happens "plenty of times". Thanks for what you do throwaway! :)

Get a used one. The pre-facelift with the two stalks is the best, especially those with the Ryzen processor (2022+). That way you get the full Autosteer/Lane Centering as well as the ability to switch between AS and TACC at the press of a lever.

I wouldn't buy a new Tesla unless they bring AP back, gratis...like it should be. I don't give a fuck what they call it...as long as it has the same functionality as the AP system we've all known for close to 10 years.

Wow. Thanks for sharing this not so obvious concern. I thought if i paid for FSD that would solve things. But what you're describing is enough to keep me away from buying the MYJ

I apologize as that was a bit dramatic, it's just as a car to live with I do honestly think it's near perfect.  The speed, handling, and UI is just perfect.  It does what I want it to when I'm in control and track mode truly feels like it isn't holding me back at all.  In essence that makes it feel like a driver's car and is the sole reason I bought it.  It's the little glitches in the driver's aids such as phantom braking and Curvature Assist which just absolutely ruins the experience.  There's just no in between fully driving and FSD to be a happy medium.   I wouldn't have a problem with just using FSD if I lived in a big city, but it is truly lost on maintaining speed on hilly, curvy rural roads.  This is also what causes TACC and Autosteer to act up.  I've never experienced anything like it and I've driven many cars on this route.  Tesla never even considered this possibility when they developed the software and they don't have many cars in this area.

If they had any sense.

Sounds like time for a Kia. All the bad lane centering you can handle.

And can your Subaru drive you around? Anywhere?

Don’t hold your breath.

You are foolish

Shouldn’t you head back to your fellow trolls on RealTesla? Do you really believe any actual Tesla owner who uses FSD daily believes your crap?

I'm not. That's why I bought a Tesla two weeks ago instead of waiting till I'm on my deathbed.

So, sell it and get something inferior, you poor dear.

Sad for you.

Yeah, do that. And maybe get a buggy whip while you’re at it

Great point. Well represented.

You’re not allowed to tell the truth or post sensible commentary on this troll-ridden cesspool of a sub.

I just rented a Kia K4 that’s like 24k and it’s a standard feature. It’s absurd that a 52k “premium” spec is missing crap that is standard in economy vehicles. My lease is up in a year on my 2024 MYLR, and no way I can justify $700 a month on the refreshed model. I’ll pony up the extra few hundred a month and get something that I really will enjoy. Ventilated seats, double pane real window glass and new lights isn’t enough to justify an additional $250 a month. I think their strategy is to discontinue the S and X and to have that customer base transition to the more expensive model Y variants. I think this will be a mistake. A customer like me gave the model Y a whirl and it was enjoyable / adequate at 470/moth but was missing a premium feel.

I have HW3 and I don't drive too far so I live with autopilot.  I would say modern lane centering on most higher trim gas cars are BETTER than Tesla autopilot. I drive a lot of rentals for work.  Autopilot has some big flaws that are pretty dangerous, that you have to know what to watch for  Phantom breaking, Slow reaction, it'll do a big phantom break a few seconds after a car crosses in front of you. Annoyance: Slow speed up after breaking. You have to speed up yourself  Disengages if you steer.  If you are looking at Tesla for the autopilot, don't.  FSD seems pretty promising but I've no idea. It's a good EV and a good car, but without FSD it's really not great on autopilot  I would bet more on rivian R2 if you don't care about FSD but want more traditional lane centering and a EV

Glad you agree.

I agree. Auto steer being pulled is a deal breaker. I'd recommend getting a used one.

I would pass at this time. I think they will eventually reconsider but they will not bring back this feature to cars sold after the announcement.

Never would have purchase my 23MYLR if autosteer was not included

>And can your Subaru drive you around? Anywhere? It drove me straight to the Toyota dealership where I traded it for a Rav4 Prime, which in turn drove me to the Tesla store where I traded it for a Model Y Premium AWD, which in turn drove me home, then to work, then back home, then out to dinner, then.....you get the picture!

Good on you!

The day after never.

With oil prices skyrocketing EV sales might see a turnaround and they won’t change their mond.

Wow.  Fucking prick.  Sad they can't fix the simple stuff.

They're too busy deep throating mediocrity.  Get bent.

Have you tried using FSD in rural hilly, curvy areas?  It's not good.  it does not maintain speed at all.  Unfortunately It's 90% of my driving so it's virtually unusable.  I've used it where it's good.  It's not where I live. Sorry, FSD is far from perfect and it's perfectly reasonable to expect cruise control to actually fucking work.

Could happen with new too

Absolute bullshit. My daily commute is 35 miles through through rolling hills on country roads, with some entertaining curves. I normally never touch the wheel or the pedals. MY HW4 fully updated. Occasionally I take my old 5 speed Boxster instead. I enjoy the drive either way. Oh, believe it or not, you can actually deactivate FSD if you wish.

Because there is no reason to.

FSD is way better. There are lots of cars out there with the equivalent of EAP. They sell them next to the buggy whips.

Sad covers it.

I haven’t had phantom breaking for months, and WTF is “curvature assist”?

Ex pet Tesla will be even further ahead while Subaru plods along with cars full of Golden Retrievers.

LOL.

FSD is essentially “lane centering”? Have you ever used it? And what is it with the Subaru lobby on this sub? Who cares about Subarus in a Model Y forum?

I don't doubt FSD is better and if I wanted it, I'd buy it. Problem is - even if I had it, I would like to use it only occasionally as I actually enjoy driving my car and want to have it as a backup and to be able to switch to/from it whenever I want, not using some insane workarounds.

It’s not it merges stops and intersections, stops at traffic lights, changes lanes etc etc. Recognizes pedestrians jaywalking. If your use case is 90% highway sure not worth it.

Phantom braking is a daily occurrence with TACC.  Curvature Assist is just the warning it sometimes gives on the screen when it lightly breaks.  Funny thing is it occurs mostly on perfectly straight road. Weird stuff.

Right.  I can't use FSD on this drive.  Just won't maintain speed.  Standard has it going anywhere from 10 under to 15 over.  Fucking ridiculous.  If only TACC was slightly better than garbage.

No, it did not have speed profiles. I could use the scroll wheel to cap the max speed.

No worries, it's easy to take text out of context.

It still had speed profiles, and you could manually set a max speed using the scroll wheel. Speed profiles were added in FSD 12.5.6 back in 2024: https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-releases-fsd-v12-5-6-with-end-to-end-highway-new-speed-profiles-and-more/

LOL

Okay you're right, maybe I'm mis referencing the behavior of the car. I do recall it had chill, standard and hurry now. At the time you could set the max speed through the scroll wheel, then they changed that so you could only select the speed profile. That's what I'm thinking about, my apologies.

You are hilarious; is that your rule?

Yes, that's true. No worries.

Honestly if that's a breaking point for you, you might do well to consider the Toyota Bz instead if you're looking for an electric SUV. With them removing the feature and making FSD a subscription, which they'll probably change the price on in the future just to drive revenue up as they keep burning cash on non-automotive ventures.

Why would it be buggy if it has a warranty?

That’s why we have FSD.

And I don't want to use FSD because it fails to maintain speed.  That's not an acceptable solution for another broken feature.

If FSD is mediocrity, please name the consumer available superior systems?

They removed it because of the lawsuits from crashes causing injury and death while on autopilot, they thought they were on fsd. Some don’t know the difference between autopilot and fsd.

FSD is not locked in pricing. If you aren’t ok with what is included with the car, you better be ok with being part of Tesla’s bank account. They want more money, they’ll raise the price. There is nothing you can do about it

I use Fsd all the time (never use autopilot) so in my opinion it doesn’t rlly matter.

They all kind of suck.  FSD may be the closest, but there are still serious issues.

Spoken like someone who truly has no idea what they’re posting about. Get educated.