Thoughts on going from BMW to Tesla

I went from an i3 to a Y. Best decision ever.

IMO, depends what you’re looking for in a vehicle. Are you “stuck” with showing off a brand badge? What are the top three features you want in your car?

Do you like the $450 oil changes from BMW? Don't buy a Tesla if you need Lincoln comfort and ride. Tesla is all about the tech and the nearly non-existent maintenance.

I went from an X5 to a Y. A downgrade on many levels (comfort, suspension, materials). Interior space surprisingly not that different, and an upgrade in terms of technology and low running costs. Finally, FSD has done over 70% of my driving, and that is a huge bonus!

tesla is "everything is computer" type of luxury, the app, integration with car computer etc, bmw will be never at that level IMO.  or abundance of power per dollar spent. for inside materials it's more like brutal minimalism and there is nothing to write home about.

I’ve had three bimmer 3 series convertibles. No doubt bmws feel more luxurious. But their tech is, um, less than optimal. Once you experience technology and apps that just work, you can’t go back. I just got a model x and my wife just got a model y and there’s no way we would buy any other brand. I could have gotten a top tier bmw, but the thought never crossed my mind. Fsd alone is enough to make the Tesla the best vehicle, but when you add in the safety ratings, the awards, the charging network, relative lack of maintenance, etc.. it feels like an easy choice in my opinion.

Well you are asking this on a Tesla enthusiasts page, so really you are going to get one answer. Personally I’ve looked at the brands you’ve mentioned over the last 3 years, and not seen anything in those cars I need that’s not done as well or better in the Y. With that in mind, the strengths of Tesla are the electric platform and the software. If you don’t care about those, you probably won’t love the Tesla.

I’m ordering a Y in the next couple of weeks. My lease is up on a Lincoln nautilus. I recently took a Tesla Y for 24 hours and the FSD was amazing. To not have to “drive “ in NY Long Island traffic changed my mind. However my wife still has an Audi Q5 and I still have a luxury gas car for any overnight trips. It’s FSD for a 3 year lease for me.

I went from a 2015 X3 3.5 to a 2020 Model Y Performance back in 2020. Yes, it was a major step down in luxury, but more than made up for it in pretty much every other way. Note I had a Model 3 for 2 years (which replaced my BMW 3 series) with the X3 and found myself always wanting to drive the Model 3 which made up my mind to then get the Y and go fully electric. If luxury is what is important to you, you are in luck. The new BMW iX3 should but out around then. Probably could even work out a deal with BMW to extend your lease until it is...

From an X3? The refreshed Model Y isn’t the downgrade people make it out to be. Suspension and cabin noise are much improved over earlier Ys. BMW still wins on traditional luxury feel, but the gap isn’t what it used to be.

I've owned a couple of BMW's, the last being a m235. I like BMW's a lot, and have interest in the new iX3. With that said, for my use case, the Model Y LR is about perfect. I love the performance (it would curb stomp my m235i), I love the tech that constantly updates, not having to deal with dealships/service, and FSD is a game changer. For the price, the only thing the Model Y lacks is an upscale interior that you'll find with other manufactures. Maybe your use case is different.

Yep. I went from X6M to Y. Missed the luxury touches for a minute. I also stopped driving like an a$$.

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There is something they put in the air inside all BMWs that make you do weird stuff.

If you were not impressed by the drive, I don’t think it would be a good move for you. I was sold on the Y based on the drive, and ease of driving, get in and go, get out and walk away. Tesla just makes the whole experience easy, with amazing acceleration. But if you thought the comfort was not luxurious enough, it’s probably not for you. You kinda have to be willing to have more of a standard comfort experience in regards to seating.

I would love a BMW or Audi instead of my Tesla if the other cars could be as good as my Tesla. Sadly I’m stuck with a Tesla and it’s a love hate I don’t mind enjoying since I don’t have to worry about car stuff when i use my Tesla’s

That car needed to go 100mph. All the time. It was trying to hold back a pack of wild horses.

Well you had no choice then 😄

BMW ev will do just fine for you.

Ive ordered a Y premium awd and i drive c300e w206 and have driven my dads cayenne and also owned a 2018 w205. Its just the price of the MY and zero intrest deal in Europe that really caught my eye. Plus after driving lux cars and all that i kinda feel that its not so necessary unless its a GT3 ( i know doesnt make sense). Im also very excited for my decision lets hope i dont make a mistake. Also my goodness that trunk and space in the modelY is bloody huge!

My maintenance is included, I've never paid for anything.

I think my problem is that price is comparable, and I really like a nice comfortable interior that is interesting to look at. The Y felt kind of.. cheap/chintzy. I knew it was minimalist but wasn't expecting such a material downgrade.

Went from an x4 to a 3. Never looked back

That means it's included in what you already paid.

That’s fine and fair. You’ve already made your decision.

I went from BMW (328 then X1M) to Tesla Model 3. It took a little getting used to, but now I wouldn't go back. I am now on my second Model Y. Before we re-ordered this one, we looked around a bit at other electrics, but kept coming back to Tesla.

LOL. Oh, you’ve paid for it.

Model Y is not a luxury car. It’s pretty cheaply made if you ask me. For me, it’s all about FSD. It’s not perfect, and IMO unsupervised FSD is not coming to current Tesla owners anytime soon or ever. But FSD (Supervised) is doing 95% of my driving and that makes driving any other vehicle a pain. All it took was waiting on a few lights or hit a stretch of slow traffic in my BMW for me to not want to drive it anymore. You should give FSD another look and try to avoid being a backseat driver. It makes driving much less taxing.

Just buy another gas guzzler that breaks for a million reasons then. You don’t HAVE to be on board with a Tesla.

Sure. But the price of a Model Y Performance is about the same as an X3 or a Q5. That's what I'm getting at. I'm not seeing what the advantages are.

Not being combative at all - but I'm confused by the software argument. I don't find the central screen layout and all the menus to be particularly intuitive and I worry about having to struggle through menus when I'm driving. Not that modern BMWs or Audis are much better, but there are more redundancies and fewer layered menus.

Does it ever do like... weird stuff? The first day I had it it struggled through a rotary, to the point I was being beeped at and had to take over. Shortly after it almost cut off someone coming down a side street (I think trees/bushes and trashcans may have obscured the camera. Just made me very jittery and at that point I didn't really use it much for rest of the weekend.

I have had bmws in the past and a couple teslas now. The screens are usually used for setup and you don’t touch them often when driving and there are voice commands for just about everything if you would need to change things. I do not miss the maintenance required for the ice vehicles at all. Every person makes their own choice based on what is most important to them. When my vehicle handles 96% of my driving it is well worth it to me

I swapped my Benz for a Y and I miss my Benz two different kind of cars. I like the Y for what it is but Benz is Benz comfort drive etc. But o. The techy side Tesla is amazing

It’s simple: If a Model Y P costs roughly the same as an X3 or Q5, and you value interior feel, ride comfort, and other traditional “luxury” features, then maintenance savings alone may not justify switching. Tesla’s value prop is software-centric experience, quick acceleration and drivetrain simplicity, supercharger network, OTA updates, lower mechanical complexity over the long term, etc. Will also say that there’ve been big improvements in Tesla ride quality over the years. And as someone who’s previously owned an X3, I don’t really miss all the bells and whistles of the BMW. The Tesla has everything I want in a car and everything just..works. There’s something to be said for having a simple, seamlessly integrated experience.

I've got a Model Y but also a BMW i4 and an M3. The Tesla is more comparable to something like a Subaru Forester than an X3 in that it's more functional and less premium. It's the car I'm taking on road trips because it can fit a ton of stuff and tow.

Boils down to one’s definition of “luxury”. For me, luxury is saving me time, and lowering my stress, and improving my overall quality of life. Sure, Napa leather is nice; a perceived thicker/stronger door with a solid “thump” when you close the door is nice. But for me, it doesn’t beat the time saved from going to a gas pump every 4-5 days (but this could be any EV). The time saved from having to book an oil change / service 1/ service 2 semi-annually or annually saves me a tonne of time. FSD on AI4 is life changing for me, reduces so much stress while driving. It’s not perfect like a human chauffeur yet, but even at the current stage it genuinely improves my quality of life.

If BMWs are yesterday’s news, why are their sales rising while Tesla’s are declining?

Yes you are

Why are you using the Performance as a benchmark though? X3/Q5 are significantly slower than the Model Y Performance or even Long Range. If you’re not interested in the performance aspect then why pay the premium for the extra power? A better comparison would be an X3M50 which is much more expensive. Base Model Y is not priced like a luxury product and is closer to a higher trim RAV4 or CRV. The performance model costs a lot more because traditional performance cars are still much more expensive.

I like the seats and wheels.

The BMW is definitely more premium. You went in the test drive with high expectations and it didn’t connect. Try again with lower expectations. Check out GMC/caddillac/Hummer EV leases. They have some good leases atm. -Former bimmer douche, currently Tesla douche.

Another problem for me is that I can't charge at home right now.

Interesting, I felt like I was doing a lot of fiddling around with hit (I refuse to use voice command, for anything, feels weird to me)

If you found performance Y underwhelming, then I don’t know what you expect for overwhelming. I used to drive BMW and my model Y is far faster off the line. Nothing wrong with ICE luxury crossover. You are right that Y is not ;luxury’ in that sense. But life is easy because I charge at home, with no service needs etc. I only do FSD when I need it for the month on road trips, and haven’t had any issues. Your mileage may vary.

The suspension was fine to me, I know that's been a complaint, I prefer something stiffer anyways.

I don't find Tesla luxurious. I had a 2011 Audi Q5 Premier when I test drove the Model 3 and Model Y back in 2020. The Teslas felt like junk. Obviously quick but rattley. I have a Model 3 Highland now and they've come a long way, but I wouldn't expect the luxury you're possibly used to from a BMW. Tesla is a clean tech package with a very strong powertrain for what it is. Low cost to operate and makes driving kinda fun and very easy, assuming you have to even drive. I personally would not recommend the performance line. They are fast but Teslas have never felt inspiring in the way other performance cars have.

Without auto steer, Tesla isn't a very attractive option imo. BMW has EVs. 1-2 year old EVs look good. Mercedes makes the EQE. Kias EV6 is nice. The ionic is a really attractive car. There are a lot of good options outside of Tesla today. I understand this is a Tesla sub, so you're likely going to get a lot of Tesla positive comments - but they have lost a lot of the lead on cars. Tesla generally gets the small things right, but the trajectory the company is on right now is uh... Troubling.

Depends what do you want? BMWs are known for their luxurious interiors. Teslas are known for a simplistic interior with a high-end tech. Also, how much do you drive per year and how long do you want to keep it? Do you want to lease or buy? There are just too many questions that you should answer you need to answer before making a decision. If you want to lease and only put like 10,000 miles a year on a car, then a BMW maybe the way to go. If you want to buy and keep for over 5 years, I’d definitely not do a BMW. After a certain point their maintenance becomes ridiculous. If you don’t care for Sentry Mode, FSD, Self-Parking, the sensors , cameras, UX, software upgrades, large touch screen, the camera key control….. and don’t care if you have a infotainment system from 2010 go with BMW.

If you can't charge at home then don't get an EV. You will regret it.

Yeah, I sold my house and moved into a managed apartment complex with the intention of building a new home, but that's probably 2 + years away by the time I find land etc.

This is absolutely true and by weird you mean "asshole-ish"

This advice is simply not good. I’ve been driving anEV daily for two years and live in an apartment complex where I can’t charge my car. Despite this, it’s been perfectly fine. I believe you could have a charger installed in your spot.

>Tesla’s value prop is software-centric experience Thats a fancy way of saying, everything is touchscreen based. >drivetrain simplicity, lower mechanical complexity over the long term, etc. Those sounds like something only car mechanics care about.

Honestly, I think the other commenter is right, if you can't charge at home, don't go EV. It's the single biggest benefit.

I'm going to jump in the thread here as someone who went from a a fully loaded X5 50i, everything you can get short of getting an X5 M. The Tesla isn't a BMW by any stretch. The minimalist interior wasn't great, the ride was just ok, and I wasn't thrilled about everything running through the screen... at first. After a little time to get used to the screen, I almost stopped using it. The autoshift function and FSD make it so I only use the screen to occasionally change the climate controls and maybe switch the equalizer from my preset music to podcast or back. That's it. It's an entirely different experience, and if the tech isn't high on your priority list, it might not be for you.

>Thats a fancy way of saying, everything is touchscreen based. Gross oversimplification. Of course the car’s touchscreen is a major feature, but the tech built into the car and the overall app-based experience involves much more than the ability to operate everything from touchscreen. >Those sounds like something only car mechanics care about. lol have you driven a Tesla? Never having to do an oil change, or worry about changing pumps and hoses and spark plugs and a bunch of other mechanical parts likely to wear out once you’re out of warranty are not something only a car mechanic would care about so idk what you’re talking about

Yeah FSD is not ready for fully autonomous. I think of it as very advanced driver assist systems. Every new update it handles some corner cases better, but there are still many edge cases where FSD struggles. For example, left turn was blocked by traffic cones in normal route and FSD took 5 seconds to figure out it had to turn right instead of left. The next day it got stuck at the same spot for a few seconds and tried to make a left turn and I had to take over. After using FSD daily, I can tell when it struggling and take over. Or when I’m in the hurry and i will disable FSD temporarily to drive myself through some tricky situations when I know FSD will be slow and too polite.

I have both a 2023 model Y and 2022 X3 (M sport package). I daily the Y because it’s more ideal and I subscribe to FSD. I’m more into tech than anything but I like the X3 for its higher quality seats and the sound of an engine occasionally. Other than that the Y is the better car. More space for rear passengers, heated seats for all, FSD, sub trunk, frunk, app isn’t as wonky as BMW, constant updates, etc.

Our family has both a 2023 BMW X7 (cost: bought new in 2023 for around $100,000) and a 2026 Tesla Model Y Premium (cost: bought new in 2026 for around $50,000). I cite the cost just because the BMW is almost double, so you expect some element of "you get what you pay for" and it would be unreasonable not to. I would say, BMW's experience as a "hardware" company shows through - the paint job is better, the car just fits together better, the hood on the Tesla pops in and out when you push on it in a weak spot, etc. The BMW is a tank and the Tesla is a tin can by comparison. BUT the BMW also runs on premium gas and gets about 20 miles to the gallon. That said, if you are only looking at the hardware, the BMW is a better car built by a more experienced automaker with better quality control. The interior does feel cushy and the buttons, controls, and screen are all top notch. I think you are noticing these same facts. In the software though there is no comparison. The Tesla mobile app is much better. Music services work better. The UI runs much faster. Little details like remembering where you last navigated and prepopulating the destination work better. And then you have all the EV advantages like no gas, no oil change, little brake maintenance, etc. To be clear though, the "gas saving" appears to come not so much from the fact that electricity is cheaper than gasoline, but from the simple fact that propelling a tin can down the road takes way less energy than a tank. FSD is quite enjoyable for me and more capable than the BMW cruise control and parking assist. I suggest giving it another chance particularly if you test drove at night or in the rain--it's nearly flawless in good driving conditions (as you'd expect) and my first test drive when I was learning was a little rough. It kind of depends on what you value. If you want a car where with hardware luxury you can feel in the way the doors shut or the grille scowls at oncoming traffic or the seats move, stick with the BMW. If you want a carefully thought through user experience comprising hardware and software, the Tesla end to end makes you feel like you're living in the future

You can make it up if you have work charging but if you don’t have any of that and are reliant on super chargers or have to really go out of your way to find L2 charging any savings and convenience benefits will evaporate.

2021 X3 xDrive 30i -> 2026 Y AWD Some good, some bad.   **The Good** - FSD is insane. Such an awesome capability. - Instant startup. Just get in and drive off. - Spending around half as much money per mile on gas vs energy ($3.49/gal vs $0.12/kWh) - Silent operation is crazy. - Instant torque is wild. Easily as fast as my 2018 440i GC. - *Excellent* stereo system. - Somehow, more cargo space with the seats up. - No oil changes, coolant leaks, spark plugs, etc.   **The Bad** - The BMW’s interior quality was significantly better. Tesla’s fake leather sucks compared to BMW’s Vernasca and Dakota options. We had a gorgeous cognac brown leather interior in the BMW and I miss it desperately. We already had creases in our Model Y after 5,000 miles. - I miss the extendable thigh support and adjustable headrest in the BWM. Tesla’s seats just aren’t as good. - Range is definitely frustrating at times. In the BMW, we could get to my grandmother’s house on one take of gas. No stops. The Tesla requires at least 2. For everyday driving, absolutely no big deal. Kind of a pain for road trips. - The Tesla has *significantly* worse suspension than the BMW. Much stiffer and bumpier. Which is frustrating, as we were told that the Juniper had such an improved ride compared to the previous generation. Can’t even imagine how rough the 2024 must be. - The lack of CarPlay is driving me nuts. Tesla navigation is horrendous compared to Apple Maps, Google Maps, and Waze. Tesla infotainment also can’t support most iMessage functions. Namely group messages. Super annoying. I can also say, “Call Dave Johnson, mobile,” and it will ask which Dave, and which phone number (despite me having already told it which of each). Further, support for other apps like PlexAmp, MS Teams, and others is annoying. - I miss the heads up display in the BMW. $52k techy car and no HUD is crazy. - We have to pay a flat $250 extra per year on our annual vehicle registration because it’s an EV. Annoying. - Supercharing (roadtrips) is really expensive. Our BMW did about 35mpg highway. At $3.49/gal for premium gas, we were doing 10.02mi/$. With supercharging for $0.35/kWh, we do 11.43mi/$. So not much in the way of savings on road trips. But around own, it’s much cheaper.

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Are you buying or leasing? If leasing I don’t see how that matters all that much. As far as if it’s worth it or not if you value conventional luxury like posh seating and upscale trims then the Tesla will obviously not be competitive with German luxury cars. If instead you care about simplicity and advanced things like ADAS and the convenience of self driving the Tesla probably wins hands down. The newest FSD generally works very well and it really takes the chore off driving.

Once I have my profile defined I don’t use the touch screen for much at all

Was it the new performance? If you think it's underwhelming just get the new X3 then? I have a Juniper which I love for my daily commute and a X5 m60 for the wife. Love both.

Do you have the ability to charge at home? Leaving home with a 'full tank' is a luxury all in it's own. Also being able to pre-heat the vehicle in your garage without generating toxic fumes, and drive around without noise and vibration is really relaxing. Also, honestly if you're considering FSD don't bother with the Y performance - since you'll eventually want the car to do the vast majority of driving. Just get the AWD Premium, and maybe add acceleration boost if you want quicker acceleration. Also start using the infotainment on a new Tesla and a new BMW and you'll see how slow and outdated the BMW infotainment and map software is. (I'm assuming that if yuo're really into luxury you can afford a garage and have a way to charge it at home. Having a decent place would be a much higher priority than a "luxury car" payment, for me at least).

100% agree. Your (arguably) biggest benefit becomes an amplified drawback if you can’t charge at home. Also consider the fact that superchargers are materially more expensive than home charging (assuming you’re charging off-peak at home)

Tesla's - just work, turn your brain off - and it always is there for you to use. Just rent it if your unsure. The experience is very different - think Orange vs Tree - it is just not the same. For me - biggest things. Safety - nothing is close to Tesla for this - nothing short of a military vechile. Noise - as in the car is QUIET - this is a very underated thing. Smell - as in, nothing. It does not "smell" like a car inside or out. Biodefence mode - anywhere you drive, turn this on - and nothing smells bad. Filters inside and out air - best feature when driving into a big city (they smell) - this for me is now a dealbreaker - have it or byby. Maintenance/Repairs - almost none. I had to get new air filters (after the big summer fire) and tires and... washer fluid and done.

You're not comparing apples to apples here. Its literally apples to oranges (i traded my BMW for a Benz). My Model 3 is not even comparable to my Benz. They have different places. The only thing I could compare if we're just being anal is that the Tesla isn't as comfortable as the Benz

I got this problem at the moment and can't find anything better than the teslas in the 50k - 70k price range. Even the new "killer" ix3 from bmw coming up, doesnt seem so awesome as they are merchandising. 520liter trunk capacity against 829l in MY. The lower door parts of the ix3 are cheap ass plastic and it would cost 80k+ with a few extras. And in Germany Tesla offers often 0% or 1% financing. For the bmw i would take a credit with 4-5% on top. :/ But im also a bit worried to get my car keyed by leftists as they are very aggressive in Germany at the moment 😁

When considering Mercedes, BMW, or Audi, the last thing you’ll think about is gas savings, especially since public charging would make it just as expensive as gas in the **worst** case. Public charging is still cheaper to me than my old diesel.

Why even post then? Enjoy your krautwagon.

lol the new bmw interiors also feel cheap… bmw interior pre 2020 was peak imo.

You won't regret it! Went from Audi to Tesla and never looked back

If your need is to have your butt coddled by the softest leather, with 100 embroidered lambskin covered knobs and controls, then Tesla is not your car, much like the aforementioned vehicle would not make me happy. With a Tesla, you’re getting a severely minimalist interior design where only the controls that people need to touch regularly have controls.  The comfort factor leans more towards sporty than luxurious, with seats that are good but not great and a suspension that’s harsher than necessary.   But, you’re also getting a vehicle with a million small touches different than you’d get with BMW, that may not bee important to a leaser as opposed to an owner.  You get free software and feature updates without having to visit the dealer.  You get a fast, responsive, excellently designed UI on the screen.  You get inexpensive key replacements - a pair of key cards for a Tesla is $40, how much Is a replacement key fob (including dealer programming) on the BMW?  You get a phone key that works fantastically so you don’t have to drop a fob in your pocket.  You get the least stolen vehicle in the USA.  Perhaps your service visits are free because you’re leasing, but it’s still a service visit. Most Tesla owners won’t have to make a service visit for 100,000 miles, and many of the service needs will be handled by mobile service coming and doing it on your driveway. Different strokes, but I’d have a hard time going back to an ICE vehicle, or an EV made by a legacy automaker with a legacy dealer network to support.

I mean, no. It’s Google Pixel vs iPhone. BMW is at the forefront of ICE technology and performance in its category. It’s iOS vs Android. Not good quality vs bad quality.

If you don’t care about FSD, I think you should wait for the new ix3.

Went recently BMW->Tesla->BMW, Tesla is mostly hype and miles lower on comfort

If you are not doing fsd, it will be a downgrade…

I had a Mercedes sedan. Owned it after paying the loan off. Was going to leave the brand anyway as the maintenance on an older model wasn’t worth it for me anymore. Tested a Long Range Model Y and was sold right there. Best decision I ever made. There isn’t really anything in the ICE luxury cars that I miss and the Model Y is just so much more fun to drive too.

OP, just get another BMW or Audi. If you test drove a MYP and not convinced, nothing here will convince you. I have a MYP and it’s the best car I’ve owned and driven. I’ve had BMW and Audi and to me those cars feel outdated and left behind. Bang for the buck, MYP all day.

Probably lease. I don't have much interest in FSD, honestly. I like to drive.

Yet you have to haul your ass and the car to a service center !

Stick to BMW. I made the switch to Tesla and cant wait for my term to end to go back.

Just once a year isn't really a big deal.

I mean, the price puts them in the same general category.

I’m going from a 2011 323 to a Model Y. I test drove the iX1 and almost bought it cuz it’s so damn comfy (and drives exactly like a gas car) but opted for Tesla anyway (always been a fan), and the ix1 is built from the ICE base. I know the Tesla will feel more “techy” overall but miss the car stuff German car owners come to expect. It’s just a totally different car ownership experience (down to the car dealership service) That being said I’m super intrigued about the iX3 and the future iterations of the iX1.

Check out the Model X for all the creature comforts

Well once a year for the next 5 years is planned. What about the unplanned visits? Or a recall?

If you have doubts then lease the new iX3 when it comes out. If you care more about the car driving like a gas car the don’t get a Tesla

Stick to bmw.

I think you have your answer then. If you want to try an EV but maintain the luxury of some german brands the new ix3 might be compelling.

I've only had one unplanned recall I had to take the BMW in for in the last 3 years. I'm sure unexpected things can happen to a Tesla, or any vehicle for that matter.

Well it doesn’t to a Tesla and that’s the differentiator.

Probably. I'll think on it more, but I think for what I want and considering price, I'd be better off sticking with ICE

What were the major downsides for you?

I get you want to make the smartphone analogy work, but that’s an apples-to-oranges comparison. BMWs are more expensive on average than Teslas, which flips the unit sales analogy on its head. (i.e., it’s actually easier for Tesla to achieve unit sales relative to BMW, the inverse of IPhone and Nokia) And saying something will be “yesterday’s news” in the future (“for now”) just means it’s today’s news lol.

Thank you!

Go Polestar 4 instead. You're welcome.

How many times do you fiddle with the controls on your BMW? The best thing about a Tesla is you just sit in and drive. Climate is set, wipers on auto, lights on auto, music is readily available on a big screen so no hunting for that. It just works. Grok is awesome on the newer models.

I think you’re devaluing your time

You need to go on a long drive with FSD to really appreciate it, I wasn't impressed with it on my test drive either but for longer drives or when I'm really tired it's a lifesaver and you really appreciate it.

Exactly. I want to upgrade from my Teslas but there is nothing out there that compares.

You should get yourself an S or an X then.

Get a used Y. It has the stiffer suspension.

Eh, you're getting more bang for the buck with Tesla, my Benz has all the bells and whistles too and id still have picked the Tesla over it and i do everyday.

Yes it’s not Lincoln comfort, but if you are brave to re-engineer the tire pressure to conform more like other cars (EVs like IONIQ 5 and Mach-E included), you can actually get very good comfort and quietness. See post history on how 32 psi front and 35 psi rear is good for my intended load, and how 42 psi is grossly overinflated (and likely to ‘game’ EPA rating system). Yes it will get you soft warning at that low PSI, but tire wear and comfort is exceptional.

I was completely sold on FSD when I tried it. Alien tech and can’t wait. Need my charger installed then Model Y Premium right away for my commute. My other ride is a LR Defender 110 for more rugged deployments, which I really like.

Every other car is now following Tesla’s model with mostly screen based control. Are you living in the 90s still? Have you not seen other new cars other than Tesla?

I was going to buy an Audi and went with a Y. I’m enjoying the hell out of the Y. I believe after this experience I’ll be getting another tesla. It’s mainly the FSD that sold me. It was cheaper than the Audi, too.

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Why get the ICE? iX3 is coming this summer with 400 miles. You can just extend the lease a bit. Tesla has more tech, surely.

4 BMWs, got my first M3P last month. Not a single regret.

I’m going from a 2019 X3 M40i to a Model Y Premium RWD. For me what did it was the maintenance costs. I spent $7k last year on repairing my cooling system. I just had to have something else repaired plus I have upcoming brakes and transmission maintenance. For me, the Model Y checked all the boxes in what I wanted in a vehicle at the price I wanted to pay. It has the best charging network. I will miss buttons, BMW handling, and the vroom vroom of my ICE and sport exhaust. I think I’m going to be happy though and I definitely won’t miss the maintenance and repairs. I plan to keep the car long term. If you’re buying new, do a 48 hour demo. That’s what showed me it was going to work for me.

Let’s put it this way - BMW UI is terrible, glitchy, and unreliable. Electronics in general are a major weak point of German cars. Basic functions are buried layers deep in the menus which are poorly organized and difficult to navigate. But I’d say if that doesn’t bother you then get a Beemer. The cars drive beautifully.

No comparison. MYP is far superior and money’s worth. ✅

I’m baffled at how you were underwhelmed driving the Performance of all vehicles. If you didn’t love certain things about fit and finish, sure - but comparing the driving performance alone should have given you some insight as to what’s special about the MYP. On FSD, sure there are some quirks but a lot less on HW4 than those of us on HW3 cars. And what ADAS-equipped vehicles are you comparing it to that are even close in terms of their ability to self-drive?

Purchase price might be, but total cost of ownership will put the BMW significantly higher.

> Does it ever do like... weird stuff? Dude, even the regular ass cruise control randomly slams on the brakes for no good reason. And every time you engage cruise it turns back on the horrendously bad auto wipers that just love to squeal across your dry windshield.

> It's the car I'm taking on road trips because it can fit a ton of stuff and tow. lol wat? Road trip, tow, and EV absolutely do not go together. Unless your "road trip" is like 50 miles or your "tow" load is a bike rack.

I was actually considering an iX3 later this year but I found the MY provides everything I was looking for and more, while most likely costing less. With the added bonus it consistently drives me to and from work every day with next to no input on my behalf. I have no prior experience with the old suspension but it puts my old Ioniq 5 to shame in terms of ride quality at least. Way more comfortable, and way more fun to drive. Honestly pound for pound, dollar for dollar, the Model Y is probably the greatest value proposition on the market currently.

I had taken it right after driving a new X3, and I think it was the interior cheapness that did it. The acceleration was nice, but I don't drive fast or anything, so I was bored of that pretty quickly. FSD - not really a selling point for me, I doubt I would pay for it. So from my perspective it was the same price as the actual luxury cars for a cheap interior, missing features and 30 minutes a week sitting at a supercharger.

Truthfully, I love my model Y performance. Very fast, just got a speeding ticket. but I’m older, would have been good with just long range AWD. But I went with performance look, looks beefier. I guess it depends how are you going to use it. Do research, watch videos.

I would say OP should stick to his BMW -

No offense, but people like yourself shouldn't buy Tesla 😞 - why sitting at the supercharger a week? I charge at home ... Love my Premium Y RWD

I went from a 740i to a model y and i felt the ride was honestly quite equal for it to be a car without air suspension also the sound system honestly sounds better

I financed a BMW X3 in 2019 and finished paying it off in 2024. I drive about 24,000 km a year and I’m now at 154,000 km, with the extended warranty expired. Maintenance has been brutal. I spent around $14,000 CAD just last year on servicing and repairs. Once you’re out of warranty on a high-mileage German SUV, it gets expensive fast. I’m honestly tired of pouring money into it, so I ordered a Model Y hoping for lower running costs and less maintenance stress. Waiting to take delivery and sell this BMW off to some third party. 🙏🏻🤞🏻

I went from an X4 to a Model 3. I do miss my X4 sometimes but I’m relatively happy. If you have any pointed questions just let me know. The Tesla is much easier to live with.

oh crap, I must be doing it all wrong then

I don’t currently have the ability to charge at home

TBH as someone who isn't a car junky but has driven hundreds of cars now, the Tesla is only worth it if you need & like the FSD. But it's probably worth it to many people, as they don't have true competitors yet. Yes it still does weird stuff such as swerve onto wrong side of the road, U-turn in weird spots, can't make a decision at a triangle curb that forks, runs a red light occasionally especially if it's not standard type, it'll switch onto an obvious-to-human turn only lane, etc. These are infrequent, maybe twice a week or less lately but it's still not all the way there. Once in the past, it was going to drive through a massive hole in the ground where they dug up the entire right side of a 2-lane road to put in pipes. That's the worse incident in terms of fear because I had to swerve last second to dodge complete destruction and most likely the ER. However 99% of the time FSD is cool, and if you only commute heavily trafficked roads where they have plenty of data, you should be mostly good. Keep the ICE for extreme sun, rain, snow, fog, etc. It does take dumb risks now though more than it used it.

Well I am sorry - that is the biggest advantage of EV - charge it overnight EVs are not for everyone -

I’ll be honest, I have zero interest in FSD. I can’t imagine any circumstance where I’d subscribe (I can’t even remember the last time I used regular old cruise control).

I went from X5M competition to model y premium. FSD FSD FSD. Also, charging at home is a big plus. Annnnd Im older and married now, I only want to drive a loud fancy car every once in a while, and the cost vs use was not worth it. Now if I was in my 20’s and single, I would never switch to a tesla lol.

I had BMWs, luxury my ass. time is priceless. the amount of days waiting for a BMW to be fixed makes it a poor man's car. Its a f-ing joke. I know my indy and bmw advisors on a first name basis. Rob Hanna - bavarian motors in Belmont. 20 years and they still have waterpump issues at 50k miles follow by oil separator, disa, idle cam sensor, speed sensor then vanos.

So the thing is - I sold my house and I’m renting for now before I build a new one. No charging available. And this might sound odd to you but I have zero interest in FSD, there is zero chance I would ever pay for it. I don’t even use cruise control.

I'm buying the Model Y Performance with FSD 100 times out of 100

Yea then id get another bmw, that transmission is sooooo smoooth. Personally I did not like the audi/mercedes trans when i drove them as rentals.

Whenever people refers to Software on Tesla, is not about the display and usage of it while driving.. that sucks on Tesla, BMW..Mercedes...etc.. software means integration and usability for daily interface with the car ( get IN /OF ... No keys .. nothing.. lock..unluck remotely.. you can program, set lot stuff on the phone to control the car. ). Navigation, pretty easier.. I just came from BMW , lower series than you..but still BMW is not yet there.. worst would Mercedes and a night mare Audi.. Take this, from a new User..let's see if any disappointment in the future..

I went from 2022 x6 40i to 2024 MY 2 years ago, and now I am waiting for 2026 MYP. No regrets! Ask me anything

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And that I think is both a fair comment and should be a heavy part of your consideration- if you don’t see the software as better, it’s probably not the car for you as it’s the way you will operate the car.

A cerebral cortex?

If you care about the luxury touches, stay with BMW/Audi/Merc. If you care about a good EV experience, go with Tesla.

Get an i5 then and go away. You’ll appreciate Tesla software then.

It's hard to appreciate the software capabilities in a short test drive without learning about it ahead of time. One should know what to look for. Coming from an ice car, you cannot expect much. Here is another post about Tesla software capabilities, check it what's interesting for you. I like parental controls for example. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/s/jlpGWXasgE

Yea but he’s in the luxury segment. Prob doesn’t care about oil changes. But op should really drive in track mode with all that instant torque.

Then get an X3 or Q5. Your loss.

He’s a troll.

I asked an honest question about a potential vehicle purchase and this is your response? Do you act like this in the real world, or are you just a weird asshole online?

I get the sense that it’s a year or so out in before it’s released in the US. I don’t feel like waiting.

Get an Audi EV or wait for ix3, other evs

7 series to model Y. Definitely not as luxurious or as comfortable of a ride but everything else has been better : cheaper payment, insurance, maintenance, charging at home is awesome, software is way better, FSD 75% of my miles driven last time I checked. FSD is non negotiable for me moving forward.

To echo @tampatechman FSD is just a requirement going forward. In a couple of years when nvidia alphamayo tech is equivalent can look at other manufacturers again. Or maybe Tesla stops making cars and just licenses out their tech. We have a 7 series BMW and an X7. The X7 is getting traded in for a model Y performance unless they come out with the model Y L in the next 2 months. Sure on luxury BMW is miles better. Even Hyundai/Kia higher end suvs are better on luxury than Tesla. But the FSD makes up for it imo. Will keep the 7 series for when we really need the luxury or for optics (visiting someone’s house?) but Tesla otherwise for everything else day to day. Model Y long wheel base - if they start selling it in America — would be amazing.

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Ohhhh this guy.

This will sound crazy to you, but I just have no interest in FSD. I don’t even use cruise control. No reason, I just don’t really care and like to drive.

You will enjoy the BMW way more then It’s not like I don’t love BMWs. I used to have an X5 as well. Love them a lot more than the other luxury brands. Their fit and finish is wonderful and driving characteristics great too. For me I never loved driving. So happy for FSD. Wife has a long commute so she wants FSD. Father is elderly and loves FSD - especially at night. (Also has M Y)

You rarely ever touch the screen while driving. Only times I do is to switch between Apple Music and Bluetooth, climate adjustment, and directions. All are one level away. If you’re fiddling through menus, you’re not using the interface correctly.

Tesla used to be significantly higher performance than competing EVs, not sure about now. FSD is still a main differentiator, mine drives me to work and back with no driver input.

At no point in time did iPhone sales shrink. They always had an upward trajectory. Tesla is shipping fewer number of cars and their market shares is shrinking. Also you are mixing the market with brand. For a long time Tesla and EV were synonymous, but not for the last few years.

I have both (F97 X3M and a Model Y). And am a huge BMW fanatic. As a DAILY, model Y is hard to beat. I see it as any other appliance that is completely reliable and dependable for all local basic driving needs (school run, grocery run, etc). Is the car exciting? No. Is it fast? Meh. But the fact that tech and the creature comforts (instant climate, nav, keyless driving, etc) works so well while at the same consuming no gasoline and no need to deal with fumes/cold starts/maintenance? AND it’s dirt cheap to lease (at least from a year ago)? No complaints. Yes, there are a few gripes I have with the car (namely lack of CarPlay since I miss the integration with HomeKit and Google Maps) but other then that, as a “basic” car, it works so well. That being said, what’re you looking for in a car? To be honest there’s nothing “luxury” about an X3 (materials are decent at best). Ride comfort? You’d want to move up to an X5. Tech? They’re all pretty much the same.

Do you want less maintenance a cheaper maintenance bill and better overall reliability? Do you want more technological features? If you answered yes to any of these questions, there is your answer.

😂😂😂😂😂

The build quality isn’t the best sure. Although most people don’t buy it for the interior. It appeals to those who want a low-cost efficient car, overall low maintenance & the appealing differentials of EV torque.

I will admit that BMW’s interior quality has certainly declined. Some of their vehicles now have this weird “strip mall vape store” aesthetic.

I second this. I got a used Y LR and I don’t mind the suspension. It’s EV torque so of course it would have stiff suspension. Also it weighs a ton, more than similar cars in its class so it’s to be expected.

BMW EVs have subpar range compared to Tesla

myp isn't going to out luxury an x3, but not even the hardcore ones can touch it from a light - at least for the price. even an x5 m comp will be close.

To that point, I literally cannot fathom why someone would buy an ICE vehicle over an electric one. And it's a tough argument to buy any other electric vehicle over a tesla.

Tesla has many options as to why it’s attractive. Advanced Technology & Software: Constant, over-the-air (OTA) updates add features over time, featuring Autopilot (driving assistance), a large touchscreen, and smartphone key integration. Low Maintenance Cost: No oil changes, spark plugs, or emissions checks are required, and brake pads last longer due to regenerative braking. Performance & Speed: Instant torque provides rapid, smooth acceleration. Sentry Mode & Security: Built-in cameras record surrounding activity to prevent theft and vandalism, providing peace of mind. Convenience Features: "Frunk" (front trunk) storage, Bioweapon Defense Mode (air filtration), and pre-conditioning of the cabin. BMW EVs don’t have the same range as Tesla. Most Teslas offer better range than BMW EVs. Also BMW EVs have a high purchase price, limited range in extreme temps, and lack of a frunk trunk (frunk). If this were inherently true, the Model Y would still not be the #1 best selling car consecutively for the 3rd year.

Tesla is strictly EVs that’s why. Most people don’t purchase EVs.

But you still have to go there- 1/2 of it’s the inconvenience of getting gas and going for maintenance.

My Tesla model Y, FSD did a very strange stuff today, and almost got me killed, and I’m now very nervous putting it in FSD unless on the highway! Ai was on a left turning lane waiting for the turn arrow light to go green. Once it did, it took off as expected, but instead of turning left, it went straight through while that traffic light was still red. I’m new to the FSD stuff…. As I just got my Model Y just a couple of days ago…. Should I report this to Tesla and how…. Has anyone of you seen this scenario before?

I drove a 2022 X3 for a few months. X3 is way more fun to drive than the Y, despite the Y being significantly faster. Ride comfort and sound suppression is better in the X3 too. Y is much, much quicker. You won't have to think twice about taking a quick turn or passing a car. Tech features are miles and miles ahead. Virtually maintenance free, but with a higher insurance premium in general. I didn't think X3 was very "luxury", especially compared to an X5 or GLE, but still it feels more luxury than Y.

You know, you might find the new CX70 interesting. It's a five seater despite being the same size as a CX90. Comes in a PHEV variant too. Mazda seems desperate to move cars these days. CX70 should be similar in price to an X3, especially a lease. It punches way above it's price range.

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Tesla cheaps out on some things and spends on other things. Cheap: All the interior bits, like buttons, are areas where Tesla saves money. Their suspension is probably not as good as some luxury competitors, and the cars are really heavy, which hurts handling. Spend: Tesla power electronics engineering is industry leading. They cut out unnecessary stuff (like a gear selector, key, or power button) to make things easy. FSD on the latest cars is better than anything else that exists. Teslas can be really fast - faster than almost anything else on the road. Just have to decide if you're ok with those compromises. If not, try the Model S/X for slightly different set of compromises.

I drove a bmw and mercedes before. Can honestly tell u the tesla model Y is simply (to me, imho) the best. Just drive. Smooth. Lovely ride, comfortable, reliable. Power? Anytime. U will *not* have to fiddle with any menus while driving cos the car takes care of everything. Heck even during (parking) turns the auto-shift takes care of drive direction for me. *but* if youre used to the bmw / merc perception of “luxury” then the above wont make sense to you. Having driven both i get the appeal, but i prefer the clean smooth lines of the Tesla. Your call buddy.

Oh boy. They do just fine.

You know, I had several Mazdas in my 20s and they were really excellent cars. I kind of forgot about their new lineup. I might check that guy out. Thanks!

Yeah unexpected things can happen to a Tesla for sure. I mean, the cars aren’t perfect- no car is. But Tesla’s electric drivetrain is mechanically simpler than an internal combustion engine, which significantly reduces certain common types of mechanical failures. Tesla HAS had recalls, but vast majority have been fixable via over the air updates- whereas a traditional ICE car would’ve required physical inspection/repair for similar issues. This is partly what I’m referring to by the software-centric experience being part of Tesla’s core value prop in my comment above.

I switched from Lexus NX to MY. I miss my Lexus 's comfort, quietness, and the premium interior. I loved my model Y the 1st 6 months. After that, it became merely a commuter, not the car I actually enjoy. I would love model X. But it's very expensive and now being discontinued. Tesla was better than other Evs because of the Autopilot and charging network . But now, Autopilot is being removed, and all other new Evs will come standard with NACS. So, my next car won't be a Tesla

The biggest change is you will need to learn what turn signals are

Agreed. It’s very easy to see why Juniper is poised to do extremely well. Other than a few sloppy aesthetics and the lack physical controls, it’s hard to imagine 95% of the population wanting anything more in a car.

You need to recalibrate your math when determining what you're getting for your money. If it's all about luxury and brand to you, then just stick with what you like. If you want to understand all the other benefits that you get for your money with an EV: \- Are you getting the premium feel? Not if you don't think so; It's subjective \- Are you paying lower running costs? Yes, a LOT less. \- Are you paying less in maintenance? Yes, a LOT less. \- Are you sacrificing size? No (My MY has more interior volume than my old BMW X5. \- Are you getting free OTA software updates so your car stays current even after years and years? With a Tesla, yes. As for FSD, it might just feel weird for a few days because it doesn't do things the way you would. You realize after a while that it's fine, and you need to adjust. You can also learn to override things like complete stops at stop signs. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's very good now and takes some adjustment on the driver's end. So, it depends on what's important to you. Having a luxury brand or having the benefits of one of the most efficient and advanced vehicles ever made.

Yeah nope, Tesla has the upper hand on this one. Also BMW EVs have no frunk, higher purchase price & battery issues. If they were so great Tesla wouldn’t be surpassing them sales wise.

BMW EVs suck range wise just look at the sales it’s not doing good. Also Tesla has way more features.

Way to dig in. 🤣 OP would be fine w the bmw. No frunk, lol. I can’t remember the last time I used it.

I don’t think OP wants a BMW from the caption. It looks like he’s switching over. Also why would you want to pay 70k for a vehicle that doesn’t even offer remotely any of the same features Tesla offers. Frunk is awesome. I put my groceries in there all the time when my trunk is full.

OP was underwhelmed by the Performance. And, seems to want more comfort and premium feel. If so, get whatever else but Tesla doesn’t seem to make the grade for him. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Sir/madam that will be the biggest adjustment tbh 😂

Yeah but he made a post about it here to get suggestions, so he’s considering it. Tesla was never made for comfort, it has a minimalistic interior. It appeals more so for the technological features, sporty feel, and lower operating costs. It’s definitely not a comfort car, but if OP can get over that factor he may be sold on the main factors of why people purchase them. Tesla paved the way for most of the EVs other manufacturers offer today like that BMW iX you mentioned. Manufacturers produce EVs and became so competitive now 90% of car manufacturers offer EV models and usually discontinue them after 2 years and produce new models. Tesla is #1 for EV sales in America.

I've had many luxury cars, I didn't buy it for luxury, I could not classify Tesla's as luxury cars or even premium for that matter, that said the interior is durable and conformable and I've had no issues. But Tesla's are not for everyone, I'll always have one for the convenience they offer and not putting $70-$90 of gas a week in my other cars if I am driving them weekly. You never have to stop at a gas station or worry about mechanical issues. Central screen has a nice layout and I like it and I love the acceleration. Premium for me is like Lexus, Acura etc.. Luxury - Land Rover and similar

Uhhhh, ok. 👍🏼 🤣

The proof is in the pudding. After the Tesla Model S was released, it was the Nissan Leaf. Then the Model X in 2015. By 2017, sales of the two models were over 100,000, enough for Tesla to cling to the best premium EV maker status. The Model Y is the best selling car globally across 160 countries. It’s funny because the BMW i3 couldn’t even compete sales wise. Nearly every car brand has EV offerings after Teslas worldwide success from the Model Y. https://www.globalfleet.com/en/manufacturers/global/analysis/worlds-best-selling-car-what-makes-tesla-model-y-so-successful?t%5B0%5D=Tesla&t%5B1%5D=EVs&curl=1 https://insideevs.com/features/733200/history-electric-vehicles-present/

If BMW EVs were better their sales wouldn’t be so low. BMW can’t keep up EV wise if that’s what OP is aiming for. Tesla was the one who paved the way for other manufacturers to start offering EVs every 2 years.

I’m a happy Model Y owner who traded in his 4th BMW for it. Best day of my life. To me, it’s a no-brainer. As I posted to your apparent chagrin.

Nothing is surpassing Tesla in EVs sales wise. BMW will never surpass Tesla in EV sales because they aren’t up to date with the tech. Everything is automated and Chat GPT now and almost all car manufacturers make EVs because of how successful Tesla was. A BMW model isn’t “killer” or “awesome” as it is because no one is buying them. All these manufacturers do is release new EV models every 2 years that they discontinue because they don’t do well and there is so much competition between manufacturers. Tesla is the manufacturer that paved the way for mainstream EVs.

You didn’t like the instant acceleration? Ya. It’s not as premium feel but the instant acceleration and efficiency can’t be beat.

Tesla won't match the traditional premium luxury feel of a BMW, a brand that's been perfecting "the Ultimate Driving Machine" for over 50 years. That said, someone coming from a lower-tier model like the X3 (the entry-level "poor man's" BMW SUV) might already be used to somewhat less opulent materials and refinement. I personally came from an X5—the real step up in size, power, and luxury—and I still wouldn't go back, not even close. If you can't see the value in Full Self-Driving (FSD), you're either not using it properly or you're just trolling.

That happens, and it's why you have to supervise it. It has more issues in those middle lanes where sometimes it cannot process the correct decision which seems simple to humans. I mean you're not actually supposed to believe the hype, that's for marketing. If it actually drove itself everywhere unsupervised, everyone would get it. It's a solid car, my daily driver, but it's reckless to think that you don't have to pay attention even though I'm guilty of doing this as well.

if it didn't click it didn't click. DOn't force yourself to love something you don't love at first sight. Usually it just ends badly

I’ve done long trips in very luxurious cars and long trips in my Model 3 with FSD and I always feel much less exhausted / more rested after FSD drives me 4+ hours than I would be even in a 100k car.

The latest versions (v14) seem to have… let’s say quirks in navigation, but I haven’t had any kind of issues of safety like you described (i.e. almost cutting someone off, getting honked at, etc.)

We have an x7 and model y. The x7: - has much better build quality. Doors feel solid vs flimsy on MY. Not even close - has much smoother ride. MY feels like a go-kart on anything but well paved roads. X7 is damn comfortable - has physical buttons. Operating a touch screen while driving really sucks. Not to mention common functions like opening the glove box are buried under menus - has luxurious, real leather seats. None of this “vegan leather” vinyl bs - has many more creature comforts (window shades, multiple sunroofs & shades, remote control) - better sound system - I feel more unique driving it. Everyone has a MY. Much fewer x7 - and much much more. Despite all that, the MY is the one I choose to drive every day

I sold a 2012 Kia Sportage and went into a Tesla Y 2026. I love it!! I have solar panels and Tesla wall and charger. I charge in the daytime with solar and it’s almost free as compared to $80 ever other day in my Kia

I live Northshore Oahu. Not sure about FSD but less stress. I think. Got to trust it…

It's the software & app combination that makes it so great. You really don't need to be changing anything from the screen. Initial setup and then your personal settings follow you. You can't really experience this on a test drive with key not binded to your preferences. I truly hope that other manufacturers catch up, since now others feels like 10 years old mobile phone. If I need a service and get a loaner from Tesla, even the spotify continues from the same song as it was playing while I dropped off mine.

I've had my fair share of BMW and Audi since 2012. 3 series. X1 and currently have 2022 Q5 and 2022 MY AWD. My biggest issue with Tesla was the quality of materials fit and finish does not come close to German and Japanese quality. Software on a Tesla is far superior to Audi or BMW. Although I do miss Android Auto and Car Play which had Whatsapp and was able to dictate my messages and respond verbally. I have Y LR and winter range sucks really bad especially in -30C temps. It got so bad that my wife refuses to take the Y on long trips because of the frequency of charging required in cold weather. Huge waste of time 4.5 hour trip ended up taking 7 hours because of charging. Also the faster you drive in cold weather the less range you get. Not as significant in an ICE car. You can drive fast in cold weather and it might cost you 10-15% of range per tank of gas. But highway driving in ICE car during cold weather will likely get you to your destination on a 5 hour hwy road trip on one tank of gas. Our Tesla would only do about 280kms before the range would get below 10% and then I start getting range anxiety. Wife now prefers the Q5 for long trips in winter Tesla instant torque is no comparison to any ICE vehicle. Tesla is awesome for city driving. No gas stops, pre warming/cooling is nice. Driving dynamics.... Pros and cons to both. Tesla handles super well. Goes where you want it to go and drives like it is on rails due to low center of gravity. But it always tracks on rails... With a BMW you can get back end to kick out or stay in line... Much more visceral. Tesla is no fun in the snow as it has too many nanies and severely limits wheel slip. Sometimes taking longer to get out of thick snow especially when your car is buried in. The ability to turn off traction control on ICE car really helps when you are stuck in snow. BMW x drive rear bias makes it a fun car to drive. Even Audi crappy ultra Quattro is more fun in the snow than my Tesla. Tesla Model Y, despite it costing as much as entry level German luxury it is nowhere near as refined. Mind you, I got to try the latest Model 3 and I have to say that Tesla has really stepped up its game with fit and finish. New Tesla has no shakes and rattles and feels way more solid than my 2022. If you are tactile person who loves driving, I would go German. If you want a good commuter that drives super well, go Tesla. Operating cost, you will save a bit with a Tesla... I do 30K KMS/year and my savings on gas are substantial however my insurance cost for Tesla is through the roof. It is 40% more expensive than my same year Q5. Tesla has a higher collision category, so my guess is that if I smash up my Tesla it's likely a write off. People rave about the cargo space in a Tesla. It's overrated. The sloping hatch and broken up nooks and crannies to the side and under the trunk is what gives it all the space. I can honestly say my Q5 stores just as much in one flat rectangle and height wise because it is not a sloping hatch. The bonus is really the frunk. My Y has full FSD... It's OK... It drives like a granny even in it's most aggressive mode and it really irritates me. I use it mostly when I'm tired and I've been on the road all day where I am at risk of falling asleep. In those moments I think FSD is great. I have HW3 so it doesn't park in my driveway but it has its uses. I would likely not pay the premium to get FSD again IMO. Autopilot is good enough. That's my 2cents since I own both a German car and Tesla of the same year I think I was pretty fair about it.

Thank you, really appreciate the breakdown. The weather is a concern - I’m in New England with long, cold and snowy winters. I really don’t want to worry about my vehicle’s viability in this weather.

I will say that it does take a little while to learn how the car works, but after that, if you are not impressed, then you're obviously driving some kind of car I've never been in, and I've been in a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, you name it. Model Y juniper version we just purchased 2 1/2 months ago for my wife, it's nicer than my car which is a model Y long range 2023, it's more comfortable to drive, but not tremendously better. You really don't have to struggle through menus when you're driving. I recently drove a Ford Mach-e, and I've always been partial to Ford vehicles, but the Tesla user interface is superior. Not to mention the fact of full self driving, I drove hundreds of miles in that Ford vehicle, and every single mile of that I wish I had been in my Tesla.

FSD takes a while to get used to, If you're not used to advanced ADAS like that, it takes time to be comfortable using it. Now 99% of my drives are all FSD, before I used to get scared when it passed a semi. If you don't care about FSD or the instant torque feel, just get another BMW. I went from a 340i to a M3P and have absolutely zero regrets.

I have an HW3 Model 3 Performance and I certainly would not characterize the way it drives in "Hurry" as "like a granny". It constantly and pretty aggressively changes to the fastest lane and happily goes up to 85 when the flow of traffic demands it.

BMW and Tesla driver here. The BMW menus are one of the most idiotic things in the universe. They're literally adversarial. Everything takes N clicks to do. Contrast that to Tesla and it's like switching from a freakin' T-Mobile G1 (1st gen android) to a current gen iPhone). I am looking at my BMW M4 and thinking what to replace it with when it ages. No current BMW for me. I am sadly possibly looking a Model 3 Performance. I am quite disappointed by the current generation of BMWs. Fingers crossed for Neue Klasse, but even then it won't have FSD, which is absolutely a must once I got used to it.

Far less maintenence and repairs