If you really love the Tesla but want to switch given the TACC changes, which car are you getting?

Rivian R2

Cadillac Lyriq/Blazer EV/Honda Prologue

> I just find none have quite as much convenience and "smartness" as the Y. Why not get a slightly used one that has Autosteer then?

I think the new Subaru E-Outback looks good, but it's still a few months out and no clue how their assist and cc functions. But I'm guessing they have and use a radar so odds are it's a lot better than tesla. ID7 tourer should be good too.

Toyota highlander EV

Rivian for me.

hi there! I was in the same boat but eventually caved in an got a 2026 Hyundai Palisade Calligraphy Hybrid AWD and love that car! My wife loves it too! To be honest I still love our 22 MYLR but the quality in built is just different in that the Hyundai was way better. Technology wise I still prefer the FSD than the HLKA ( Hyundai lane keep assistance) or whatever the acronym is. We were looking into PHEVs between vans and SUVs and wife didn't want a van and not too many great PHEVs out there for SUVs. But I'd put this out there if you say down and did some mathing without calculating any other factors but pure cost of electricity vs cost of gasoline. In Bay Area CA, averaging 24mpg and and etc, the cost of mileage is nearly the same! I think when I last checked my car is like .14/mi and the MY is around .13/mi the MY cost will go up with usage of SCs and you'll have to charge more often on longer trips while my Hybrid is roughly 400+ miles to a tank. TLDR (not really): Get a PHEV if your commutes are really short because they don't have much range unless you look into the BMW PHEV. Otherwise Hybrid is probably the way to go. Other BEV alternatives seem to be quite lacking in both range and etc, but if you have the money for it go for it! Again this is based on our commutes and how we shuttle the kids to and from school and events. Consider your costs benefits.

It isn't out yet.

Mach-E

I test drove a Lexus RZ and while the build is solid, it is sloow even with its sports mode. I test drove a 350 premium. I don’t think I’ll ever leave Tesla.

Rivian R2 will be the likely replacement for my Y, when it becomes available and I'm ready.

Ford lightning, EV Silverado. Rivian, model s plaid.

If you think FSD is a standard feature you’re nuts.. I made the jump this month, no other car on the market can take you from point a to point b on and off city streets, highways whatever. Just get the model y so you have the option of getting FSD in the future, they may end up dropping the price.

We need to know price range. For model y competitors the are already out you have blazer ev, equinox, 26 bzrx (which is actually competitive all of the sudden), Mach e. For upcoming releases you have the rivian r2 and the Toyota Highlander. The scout looks really cool too.

Rivian R2 but I also got my eye on that Scout Traveler

Looks like many EVs and gas vehicles charge a fee and/or subscription for the self driving/hands free feature. Therefore if it’s important to you, Tesla is the best IMO Tesla (Autopilot/FSD): While basic Autopilot is standard, Full Self-Driving (FSD) Supervised costs a one-time fee of $8,000 or a monthly subscription of $99, enabling auto-lane changes, navigation, and traffic light control. Ford & Lincoln (BlueCruise): Available on the F-150, Mach-E, Expedition, and Lincoln models. It offers true hands-free driving on designated highways. It requires a subscription after the trial period, with costs ranging from $600 to $2,495+ for lifetime access depending on the package. General Motors (Super Cruise): Available on Chevy (Bolt EUV, Silverado), GMC (Sierra, Hummer EV), and Cadillac models. Requires a subscription, with plans costing around $25 per month. Other Vehicles: Other manufacturers offering subscription-based or advanced driver-assistance packages (ADAS) that may charge for higher-level functionality include Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Toyota/Lexus, and Nissan/Infiniti. These systems are generally classified as SAE Level 2 or 2+ automation, requiring the driver to remain attentive and ready to take control, even when hands-free.

We had a Honda CRV (similar size to R2) and find the MY to be *much* roomier. *MUCH*

The R2 looks really compelling.

I’ll get the RIVIAN R2 , but never give up my MY performance AWD

Same. It’s honestly what I wanted to begin with but I wanted supercharging

Rivian R2 or the R3X.

Why would you switch ? Of your current car had autopilot and tacc you wouldn’t lose it ? What do you mean ? Also fsd is far from a standard feature lol. No other car has anything like it .

Few more months, but yeah, good luck getting one this year if you don't have a reservation.

Everyone saying r2 here that’s not even out yet and no idea on price for similar spec to the y. “Starting at 45k” but in reality very few but that trim

But why is it so ugly. Lead designer inspired by cardboard box.

I’d not get the first run of it

Ew

FSD is amazing, I’m in hw 3 and use it daily

The pig snout 🐽 on the front kills it for me… could never.

Doesn’t it have a nacs port stock?

FSD isn’t a standard feature bro

Agreed. I'll probably be waiting until mid to late '28 to allow tweaking time, wait for the better sensor suite to become available/tweaked, see how the 3rd gen software is panning out, non Launch model availability, and see how Rivian is handling service needs.

Let me get this straight, you love your car that is the most efficient and the safest out there, and you're not willing to pay $99/mo for a safety feature that no one else offers that may easily save your lives? If you live in a state where you can get Tesla/Lemonade insurance, the savings in insurance will more than offset your FSD price. Let's not get principle get in the way of safety and convenience. I get why this is upsetting people, but in the final analysis I'd just pay for it. Or as someone else suggested buy a used one with purchased FSD. That's what I did. Edit: after re reading your comment I see you don't have one already, so I'd buy used as I said.

They’ll never drop the price. Subscription prices only go up. I’d be curious to see how much more they would make if they did drop the price to 20-30 a month and get millions more users

Replaced model y with a Volvo xc90 t8. 35 miles of electric range (have been getting closer to 37-38) and has three rows.

I hear you that’s what he says as they get more features but to get the people who wouldn’t jump on board for essentially a product that’s free for them to distribute is a smart play. Even $70-80 they’d get more people to jump I think. It’s $109/mo with tax here in California..

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That's also a thing. I hear they are only producing them for the half the year as well. And you know they are only going to launch higher end fully loaded trims, no lease option. I doubt it will be 45k until 2028 when they can launch the base version.

no fsd tho

Nothing I use and Rivian is working on their flavor, so I'm sure it will be adequate.

As a Subaru Outback and MY owner, I would recommend at least looking at the 2026 Outback Touring XT. Yes it's gas, but they have now released handsfree highway driving. And if it's anything like their cruise control, it will be so much better than Telsa's FSD. But I do mostly highway driving, where I really would like to relax. I cannot relax with FSD due to erratic lane selection and changes, and unreliable speeds.

They have said the less expensive models will launch shortly after the initial higher priced models. Production ramp up will make it hard to get one in 2026, but it should be easy enough in 2027.

The R2 has a NACS port on the rear left, so supercharging should be easy.

BMW iX3

Rivian

They're not saying FSD is a standard feature, they're saying lane centering (eg. Tesla's Autosteer) is a standard feature. I don't think it's quite at the point I'd call it a standard feature, but it's going in that direction. Almost all new Toyotas, for example, have lane centering as a standard feature.

Rivian or Hyundai/Kia more than likely.

FSD

TACC?

They took autopilot away and are forcing you to subscribe to FSD to get it back in the new cars going forward.

You can’t buy FSD anymore you have to pay monthly.

I have to figure out this Autosteer. Why won’t it change lanes when I put on the blinker to go around slow traffic?

Not getting FSD doesn’t make any sense

You got down voted, but I now know 2 people that have them and love it. One of those two has had an ev only household for the last five years

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Buy lightly used one. When I bought my Polestar it had 1,000 miles on it. Practically new

The R2 has a sub 3-second 0-60 time

The new bmw EV grill looks like a pig snout. The Rivian lights are far enough apart that I don’t think about snouts

any Toyota owners in here that can speak to Toyota Safety Sense? the new rav4's are rolling out with the 4.0

Well for a family like you OP - paying $99 FSD could be a game changer. I have and we love our new Y with FSD. Takes away all the stress of driving every day or traveling to a destination. You can buy or update anything, but nothing is in the market is quite good as FSD to me. Yeah, it is good for navigating like 98% of the traffic conditions and it's good enough for me. I really don't want unsupervised because I don't trust the technology yet, but it works for my daily driving and highway trips. Everyone has their reasons to pay or not to pay -

R2 when I can get my hands on one, FSD is useless to me anyways

Rivian R2

Rivian is in trouble. They have a high turnover and still need cash infusions to stay open. Not making money since inception I’m not sure they will be around in 5 years.

Wonder why you're getting downvotes

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Yeah the not slowing down part is crazy. Even on roads where the turns aren’t hairpin it goes way too fast.

Yeah, nobody has burned through more cash while still losing thousands on each sale than Rivian. The R2 looks promising, but they can't afford anything less than a home run as far as sales.

Toyotas lanekeeping isn’t autosteer level though. I have a Highlander and it disengages on the very slightest turns.

Tesla

Lol no clue! Maybe I’m too old school for the people here 😅 i just recently traded in my 04 Highlander, and that car was a workhorse. My 23 MY was totaled last year, and have since got the Toyota bZ, which I actually like more because I’m not car racing on the highways. Ironically for an old car company, its tech is superior to that of Tesla - unless you upgrade to FSD. But cars are depreciating assets so why would you want to throw money into them? Anyway, we also have a GLA250 for long trips and for when gas is cheap. Always recommend to people to have at least one gas car. But our next car upgrade probably in 2027/2028 would be a Highlander EV or maybe Grand Highlander. At least one good thing out of this administration is that gas is pretty much guaranteed to stay cheap 😆

Not true. Original subscription price was$199/mo.

If you have AutoPilot, that’s simply not a feature. Reserved for FSD.

Not the dual motor. I think there are documentation of sub 4. 3.6x sec. But still as good or better than most vehicles costing a lot more.

It’s a lot better than the cybertruck! Quality wise is awesome.

There is literally nothing comparable. GTFO here with your anti Tesla rhetoric.

They will be around. Writing software for VW. Or trying to. The cars? Well, we‘ll see. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Being rightfully annoyed that customers perfectly content with a standard feature like basic autopilot are being pushed to purchase monthly subscription FSD is “anti Tesla rhetoric“ ? How about calling it what it is—warranted criticism.

I pulled the trigger on another Y due to that closing door on the software (I will NEVER rent a feature). Now I’ll have 4 Teslas but this will be my last. I’ll sell the 2020 Y and 3, so I’ll just have the 2 ‘26 Ys for the next 10 years. Once the Chevy Silverado gets NACS charging and a few more years of kinks worked out I’ll swap out the Nissan with it. The Tesla line ends 14 Feb, 2026 as far as I’m concerned.

Bmw ix3, Volvo ex60, merc coming with a new glc type Also...all 400 miles ...all supposed to be Tesla Y Killers

Yep. As of today

Yep. As of the end of January

Riven is the number 1 EV brand with issues from factory. Put that on top of a brand new release and yikes. I wouldn’t touch the R2 for at least a year

I had the 1st run Model Y and it was probably the best run there was.

R2! Maybe new Yota Highlander

Well that’s…dumb. I enjoy FSD only on trips/hwy really. I can’t justify spending $100/mo for FSD when I don’t like engaging it around town driving which I do 99% of the time. It’s too slow and goofs up around construction & neighborhoods.

I had a Nissan Ariya and their ProPilot was really good. I had the lower model that didn’t have the full hands off, but their lane centering was really good. On the highway it worked really well. Not so much on surface streets. When I was looking to buy an EV I tried a lot of the systems. Ford Blue Cruise was pretty good, the Volvo one was decent, the VW one worked, but nothing was even close to Tesla FSD. Once I tried that I bought a Model Y. Of all of the EVs I drove I was going to get either the Volvo CX40 or another Ariya until I settled on the MY. Frankly the Ariya was really good and their lane centering worked.

If you still wanted one I'd probably get one of those comma.ai things to give back autosteer. I have a '23 and would still consider one to solve the issue where it thinks the speed limit is 35 when actually 55 and won't go faster than 40 in autosteer.

Because that wont' also be on a subscription model /s

That was when subscribing was an option.

Do you have FSD on both 2020 and 2026 Model Ys? If so can you compare/contrast the capability of them. I have a 2020 Y with FSD and gave up on it over a year ago, I give new s/w updates a try and it's still just as bad.

I sold my 2024 Tesla Model Y Long Range last summer and bought a 2025 Mercedes-Benz GLC 350e 4MATIC. The electric battery is rated for an expected range of 87 km. In the summer, I consistently exceeded that, often getting a little over 100 km of electric range, which is impressive. When driving above 60 km/h, the driver assistance is almost as good as Tesla Autosteer — almost! The ride itself is much smoother and far more comfortable. Having both electric and gas power gives me more freedom and peace of mind, especially since I sometimes need to travel to areas where charging infrastructure isn’t yet widespread. That peace of mind is particularly present in winter ! I plan to keep the GLC 350e 4MATIC for about 10 years. By then, I’ll probably go back to a fully electric vehicle but not to Tesla unless changes are made at the top of the organization.

Volvo ex60

If we had to replace today, I'd get a VW ID Buzz. If we were given the luxury of time, Rivian R2.

Ah, the tri-motor with the sub 3. To back up your statement, it has no date for that configuration

Yep, that's us: We've had four Teslas (Three Model S, one Model Y we still own) and a Rivian R1, with an R2 on order. I got sick of Tesla's BS, so I tried Hyundai...but I couldn't stand their UI at all, so sold that car in a year. Just leased a new Mach E with Performance Upgrade; 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, sporty yet comfortable ride, UI is quite good (not Tesla good, but good), and the handling is wonderful. Perhaps the best part is that the interior is a real car interior, with nice finishes, a dash in front of the driver, and nice controls on the wheel, plus rain sensitive wipers that work ;). There are three drive modes that behave notably differently, along with a "track only" mode that allows more leeway in traction control, etc. We are quite happy with it so far; about the only thing coming in the nearish future that intrigues me is the "New Klasse" i3 due out next year sometime.

By an option, you mean one of the two options for getting FSD? Because it’s still an option.

I assume sarcasm with the “Tesla Y killers”

Get a 2 year old Lucid Air Grand Touring with 20k miles. It was a $115k car new and you can find them for $60k. Way nicer car than a Model Y and has 500 mile range.

Zeekr 7x

The first run of anything is never the best.

Until they go bankrupts then Rivian owners will be SOL

R2

Escalade IQ

Waiting for scout truck

I guess I can get to the next traffic light/stop sign quicker? :P /s

First run of R1T have a reputation for being the best there was. Strangely enough.

I have hw3 FSD and its drives like a crappy teen driver. It’s great on the highway for long distance or if I need to grab my phone for a second but I can’t use it point to point without getting pissed at it.

Chevy super cruise is better than autopilot too.

Lucid is probably the most Tesla like followed by Rivian, but lucid is still very expensive.

Autosteer is what they are referencing.

I would never buy another vehicle where it didn’t at least have the ability to drive to point a to point b and park itself, (I even if it was a paid feature) because that would be a downgrade and going backwards. I’ve frequently considered moving to a Cayenne coupe, for the comfort or build but decided I would really miss the competently designed software, the app and being able to just put it into auto drive mode and relax. If I couldn’t afford the subscription I might feel differently.

Did you do the visit to Sweden to test drive it?

I’m not a big fan of the concept of hybrid cars. I understand that in theory, it should be the best of both worlds, but in my mind it’s rather the reverse. All the complexities, the pollution and the maintenance requirements of the gas engine are still there, and you’re now dragging it along with you on the road… Then again, I don’t live in the US so I’m not often faced with commutes or road trips over 300miles.

Kind of a mixed bag in terms of reliability, we never had an issue but saw plenty that did. But value was there, LE R1T was less than $85k for us. Sub 80 because we were grandfathered into the rebate. Now, a similar spec (quad motor, medium battery, underbody, etc) is over $100k.

Maybe Ioniq 5?

Do they have auto pilot atleast ? Not a lot of info on their website.

What about charging network ? I hear none tesla cars gets a rate of .50 per kWh at tesla chargers vs .3x

I'm down bad for the id buzz

Doest the possibility of rivian being out of business in a year concern you? They don't make money and given the burn rate of their losses per year their investment cash will only last one more year.

I project one more year given current investment.

Supercharging itself was a concern when switching away from Tesla, so any replacement had to have a NACS port and Supercharger network access. Rivian has both. I'll still be using Superchargers for the bulk of my fast charging when traveling in the R2 since that's what's available until other networks build in West Virginia and other places I travel. Regarding cost, non Tesla owners do pay more at Superchargers, but at the V3 sites I use most, it's about $0.15 more per kWh. Given that most of my charging is at home at no additional cost (solar), paying \~$80-90/year more for the 15-20% of charging I do when traveling isn't a big deal.

Yes, they have a hands free driving solution. It's not as good as Tesla's solution right now, but just like Tesla, it will improve over time. [https://rivian.com/autonomy](https://rivian.com/autonomy)

Never bought into cars for TACC features, I'm not the target audience, but I'll use FSD once in a blue moon.

Sir, the $99 fee is not as you say a “standard feature” so get over yourself, go buy something else, no need to tell us.

Actually, I've been driving for decades. Drove when there were ash trays in the car. Drove before power steering. Drove before power brakes. Drove before seat belts. Had cranks to roll down windows. Drove when cars had bench seats. I know how to drive. I love my Juniper. Never opted for FSD. Hardly ever used Cruise control in my life. So, I'm good until the day I'm not physically able to steer the car, touch the petals and see the road ahead.

I’d say that’s a feature not a bug.

I was waiting for someone to mention it! Quite a lot pricier though

Agreed definitely pricier. They “claim” low $60k for the plus model. That should have all the features you’d reasonably want (including ProPilot ADAS). Figure you can probably negotiate a bit off the price and it should be about the same price as a Tesla with FSD.

Not for me personally, but I’m sure it appeals to a certain segment

For the love of God just try using FSD. Model Y is the best value car out there and nothing else comes close. You have to unlearn and use FSD as point A to point B till, not a driving assistant. FSD and Tesla software also get updated regularly and your car improves overtime, whereas legacy auto stuck at the moment you purchase your car.

It’s simply the only reason I have my 26 MYLR. Nothing else compares and I looked at them all. I arrive at all my destinations far more relaxed and chilled. I am FSD 80+% of the time I’m in the car. Atlanta has shit traffic 100% of the time and I just sit and chill and let car take me.

FSD was 90% of my decision to purchase my 26 MYLR. I am a road race car driver and love driving a lot. But I’m addicted to FSD and can never go back to a car without it. My ICE cars just sit now. I drive them just so they get driven. But not happy about it.

Exactly the opposite. I ordered remotely from my home from a dealership that was 500 miles away haha

Yes I should have been more specific

I haven't looked into this. Is the charging port in a Supercharger-friendly location? The only Rivian I've ever seen at a Supercharger was parked in one stall and charging in another. Presumably because of the port location.

It frustrates me to but i think you’ll find everything else disappointing within Model Y price range. The software integration is still unbeatable. Autosteer also isnt as good in most other vehicles so I’d hardly call it a standard feature. I’d just get a used 7 seater Y or X if you need the extra seats and autosteer. I’d look for enhanced autopilot included as it’s significantly better than autosteer. FSD included is much harder to find nowadays but even better.

Ya it's an option but at 3 kids rear facing it's tight lol

Much pricier no?

Ya that's what I saw otherwise seems it's closest match with bigger size. We did get our Y at a high price honestly but wasn't looking to go higher than 900 monthly payment on a 3 year lease which is way out of range for r2

Love the fsd price tag just seems high. I work from home and only drive for pick up/drop off 15 mins away...

I just tried phev (granted it was a 2023 Pacifica) and the drive just seemed so much less smooth! I feel like I might just love the EV drive, or do you just get used to it after a few weeks?

Yes. The R2 (and presumably the R3) will have the charge port on the driver rear just like a Tesla, so no issue. The original prototype had it on the passenger rear, but it was moved on the production models. The R1 models are on the driver front, so that does cause an issue.

Ya for us I just don't think I drive enough (10 miles for school pickup and work from home) so the math doesn't math. But if I see all options I like would basically be my cost to buy out my car after lease +$100 it might be a no brainer ...

Cadillac?

Used X might be an option I didn't think of! I could buy out my Y but if we decide on another kid it's going to be too small I fear. Already a hustle getting 3 kids rear facing in middle row. I thought enhanced autopilot was just standard now (before they paywall it into fsd)? I used to pay the 99 per year for it and don't think that's a thing now?

Awesome. Going to dive into the car deets now. Thanks!

Exactly The number of people who care about FSD is really overestimated

Ioniq 9 made my day or ix3 when it comes out. My Tesla got totalled in January.

Another Tesla.

Because auto steer is stupid (literally)?

“”if”

And none of them will have FSD.

They have 6 billion in cash on hand and each vehicle is profitable. They are spending big for R2/R3 launches, but they will be very high volume vehicles. Smooth brains were saying this about Tesla years ago. They will be fine.

No, they don’t care. Probably have a Fisker, too.

True, it's not here at the moment, but given where they are with a factory, tooling, validation builds in the wild and less than a month from final pricing and specs, I think we've pretty much moved past 'if' at this point. How many how soon and how well are the larger unknowns now.

These clowns have no idea what a life-changer FSD is. I would never own another car without it. FSD is the ultimate luxury, not rich leather, burled walnut, or lots of stupid knobs, buttons, sliders, and last century tech.

Just give it a decade or two.

And the number of morons on this sub is really underestimated.

Did you miss the part about OP not wanting to pay $100/mo for it?

For a car that doesn’t exist.

So the dumbasses will buy it. They’re afraid of anything that looks like the future. How do you think Hyundai and Kia sell so much crap?

Tesla might bail them out, who knows?

Tesla Autosteer is crap. And the Benz is “almost” as good? FSD is in a whole other universe.

Ya but buying anther car either more expensive and offer less for a vehicle, or cheaper car that doesn't have auto pilot equivalent, selling your current car just doesn't make economical sense. At the end maybe spending $100 a month is less if a hassle in comparison.

Truer words never spoken. FSD is amazing tech, and the word is spreading as it continues to improve. I expect FSD uptake is at the bottom of the curve now. It will rise dramatically from word of mouth.

And the price will highly entertaining for a truck that can’t even drive itself.

Is it still running?

The amount of ignorance or plain trolling regarding FSD on this sub is hilarious. I would NEVER own another car without it. And for now and the foreseeable future, that means Tesla.

And it is shit.

They’ll get them at twice the price. Real FSD users will never go back to obsolete tech.

?

Not arguing. Wish them success. But facts are facts. Rivian reported a $3.6B net loss in 2025 and expects $1.8B to $2.1B in adjusted EBITDA losses for 2026. They need a home run.

And that’s why Model Y sells multiples of all of them combined.

It’s not better than anything.

Dawg the Tesla community is so broken I’m a “car guy”, I’ve had a variety of enthusiast cars and been in many different subsets of car communities and forums. Tesla forums are by far the worst communities in the car industry

And infinitely inferior.

Can it drive itself?

Then get HW4. There are no alternatives.

Irrelevant. FSD is indispensable for me. 15 miles or 1500. The safety features alone are worth the price.

Care to add any others to the “production cancelled soon” list?

They still make gas cars? Amazing.

And nothing Subaru comes out with will be less than a decade behind FSD.

LOL.

I wish I had a buck for every time I’ve seen the term “Tesla killer” in the last decade.

Yes, forcing you to get the safest most advanced driver assist technology available on the planet.

Thank god.

That’s your opinion, some of us still prefer to drive ourselves. I only use autopilot on long highway trip and it’s good enough for me.

And compared to Tesla FSD, they are obsolete garbage systems.

Love the downvotes from the ignorant and/or malevolent trolls on this sub who know nothing of FSD or how it feels to be driving the future. And the future is updated regularly.

It’s autosteer. It’s a lane keeper. It is of limited utility. Get FSD.

Well, I guess you’re SOL. I do agree that if all your driving is in construction zones, you shouldn’t be using FSD. I use it 98% of the time, including neighborhoods. I deactivate it in construction zones. Did you know you can do that?

I thought that only works if it’s an identified construction zone, not those random lane closures for a quick single day job… I miss Autopilot.

If FSD is useless to you, your lifestyle must be very atypical. Do you have a chauffeur?

That’s why god made FSD.

You’ll be missed.😀

And still can’t drive itself.

I guess the ‘“IQ” part is ironic?

Why wouldn’t you use it 98% of the time?

As a 72 year old who has been driving as long as you, we’d all be much safer with FSD driving you around.

Exactly. I think it’s time to part with my ‘97 Boxster. It’s my last remaining ICE. 3 Tesla family.

Can they drive themselves now?

I miss horses.

I like my opinion better.

Maybe because many posters have never been in a Tesla?

That’s his problem. There is no real alternative.

HW3 in a Big metro rainy area with loads of traffic, makes it feel like a extremely nervous first time driver. Very inconsistent

Oddly enough the AC charging just went yesterday. Covered under warranty though. Rock solid otherwise. Drives better than my ‘21 MY. Though I have not driven new Model Y. Probably on par though.

Because I'm not subscribed to it 98 percent of the time, I do intend to sub for an incoming road trip within the month, plus maybe this lite version of V14 hopefully improves some of the quark's with HW3. I still prefer driving manually, I just recently went from a standard 1995 Toyota 4Runner to a 2023 model y a few months ago.

Have you driven one? For the price, the IQ > any X. The only thing that makes Tesla stand above the rest is FSD and if we can't even get that anymore without having to sub (a lot of people just hate subs even if they can afford it), the IQ beats the X in every single category. I was going to wait a couple of years and get a 2026 X, but given the recent news that new Xs with the Lux package cannot transfer FSD to new owners, I will most likely not upgrade to another Tesla and just go with the IQ I refuse to pay into the FSD sub out of principle. Tesla is following Apples footsteps and I will just jump ship before it sinks.

Already have a preorder for the Rivian R2. Not looking to get into it at launch, but once they have the gen 3 autonomy suite equipped (last 2027?), I think that will be a very compelling one for me. While I love my 2023 Y LR, I am disappointed to see Tesla making so many anti consumer decisions recently.

Nope

It was meant to be sarcastic, guess I'll add the /s to make it clear. Most people have so much traffic that they dont need a sub 3-second 0-60 on city roads.

I got it. I was just clarifying my position as I was getting downvoted. But that’s Reddit. Mention a different car, people get territorial. Funny really

Subaru's cruise control is head and shoulders above Tesla's autopilot offerings. The only thing that keeps Tesla in front is that it can navigate point A to B. Otherwise, it's garbage; I'm not a hater of Tesla, I have 2 x 2026 MYs.

They literally built out a plant. Those don't come out of thin air. Do you understand what capital cost is? This will be a home run.

Go suck elons dick more

Blue Cruise on the freeway is fine, but it doesn't have FSD. For me, that wasn't relevant anyway, because we never used it at all on our Teslas (our Model Y has it free forever, and there were some trials on the S models), and it was useless for our primarily suburban and urban driving. Sadly, you now have to subscribe to FSD to get even the very nice highway autopilot, which is a very Tesla thing to do, and part of the reason we left. But if you want/need FSD, then you pretty much have to buy a Tesla now, because nobody else that I'm aware of is offering similar.

You must know something that Wall Street doesn’t.

Oh yes, Wall Street is completely rational - always! Do you even think before typing out things like that?

Do you know how to read financials?

I’m right there. I needed to change my vehicle, tried several higher end BYDs, then tried Zeekr which are incredibly nice inside, then tried a Tesla on FSD . i forgot about the luxurious interiors of the Zeekr , and bout a 2026 FSD enabled car . Not going back.

LOL. Pathetic.

LOL.

Actually, those conditions make any driver nervous.

Exactly, but it’s better to be in control than supervising a nervous computer

Used model X is great for kids

I recently drove a Ford Mustang Mach e for a week while on a trip, it was a nice car, I did not get an explanation from the rental agency for why the adaptive cruise control was disabled, but I suspect that it had something to do with requiring a subscription. Setting all of that aside, though, even though the seat was more comfortable for me than the model Y, their software and the general ease of drivability of the vehicle as well as the control setup was terribly lacking, compared to the Tesla. It may seem crazy, but after a week with that vehicle, I still was not driving that vehicle as well as I was driving my Tesla on the same day that I got it. I've always liked Ford vehicles, I cannot believe they have missed the boat this far in comparison to Tesla.

This⬆️

You might not be interested in FSD, but FSD is interested in you.

It would concern me if i bought into a company that could not honor the warranty and put out software updates.

Or 3 years

Doesn’t Rivian even charge a subscription fee for their submarginal ADAS?

Does it drive itself better than your ‘21 MY?

No be cause even at $70-80, there would be a noisy chorus screeching “it should only be $25-35!”

But you’ll own a Volvo without FSD

There’s no FSD available, if that’s your question. It does have lane centering and adaptive cruise control. It’s very good, though I prefer Tesla’s autopilot. I’m not comparing cars here. I’m just stating you can get a used car with practically no miles on it for a heavy discount.

I was being a slightly sarcastic ref FSD but I agree with you, used EVs can offer extreme values.

R2.

Tesla is only logical choice. And if 99 is worring then you can afford a car in that price range just move on to s shit car like a PHEV. What a stupid idea from start

Yes I do! Pretty sure you do not.

Please enlighten me with a link showing the auto manufacturing side is or ever has made money. The software side is keeping Rivian afloat along with the VW cash infusion.

I don't like Tesla's auto steer anyways. It gets unreasonably angry you're not paying attention way too fast on road trips

It’s not just for reliability but for other things they might have. I have a 2021 model Y and I’m glad I didn’t get the 2020. I waited because I figured there would be some kind of change in the second year period and there was. The center console was updated from that awful piano, black lever or tilt system of the center console. They added a heated steering wheel, double pane class as well

I’m sorry to hear that, I use it every day and I don’t have any issues

100%

Be patient and that will go away. Tesla is going to realize people don't want to pay a subscription for extras much BMW and Mercedes back peddled when people made a huge uproar about paying a subscription for "standard" features.

Oh, I don't know. I'm already years older than you.

“A standard feature” bro you get FSD, nothing is standard about it😂

Yeah I’ve had it since 2018 on all my cars… 3 Y etc. The HW4 model Y is a significant upgrade. It can start a drive from inside the garage, all the way to destination and park. The HW3 Y and 3 are good too but can’t get that last little bit done. They’ll also get a little “lost” in turns sometimes and to that janky wiggle whereas the HW4 car is always smooth.

Gracias.

I've been eyeing the Hyundai Palisade. Hearing good things (and some bad) about it.

Your FSD parks? Mine usually meanders around a parking lot but doesn’t attempt to park.

Fully depends on what you do and where you live. In Germany, Mercedes doesn’t require you to pay attention anymore and takes responsibility in case of accidents on certain types of road. If that’s 90% of your journey time, you might be better off using that instead of the semi-broken FSD we have here

I’m with you, Going to see how it progresses and they work out the supply chain so earliest for me would ‘28-29 models

Yer, it has done this since v14. Sometimes it just drives into the space, and other times it backs in. You can configure what it does when it reaches the destination, but it only seems to do this when parking is plentiful…

I'm not interested in arguing on a Reddit post, I'll just say that I really wish Rivian the best. More options for the comsumer is a good thing, and I always root for American companies to do well..

Congratulations. Seriously.

No FSD, non starter.