This is a genius 4d chess move to double brand awareness on the road. Stock should be up 20% tomorrow.
ah! that’s why I see those packs of teslas around now
It's hilarious that this "tech" company couldn't even get a teleoperator to work. Also, it's obvious why - cameras suck (ESPECIALLY, in the configuration and quality they have on Teslas) to a point where they cannot even trust a human looking at the live feed to be able to properly monitor a car.
Utter junk
Full Self Driving (Unsupervised) (Supervised) ™️
So the chase car probably has a driver and a tele-operator? Only the once in a generation Big Brain First Principles Technoking could invent a taxi that takes two drivers.
So we got a service to move people. Already been done Whats that? This one takes TWO cars to move ONE person? SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!
Technically also two passengers
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Plus, when they let 3rd party buyers in, they have to buy twice as many cars!!!
I assume lag is at least part of the reason as well. Those extra couple seconds could be the difference between stopping in time and getting hit by a train.
Elon always be scammin
With newly added “Not-so-remote remote safety monitors™️”
waymo will win this race
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Why seconds? Low latency video over mobile networks is solved problem for more than a decade. Unless he puts teleoperator in Russia, you can easily have latency under 100ms, which is less than human reaction time.
I’m not sure how this is a dunk. Anyone who knows anything about SDC knows that the few major SDC players have done the same, do the same, and also have teleops. This is just normal progression of removing a driver responsibly from the physical car.
Absolute visionary 🤩🤩🤩
Unsupervised FSD ( -remotely- Supervised)
would love to hear from the dude whose job it is to closely shadow an ‘autonomous’ vehicle… stalking experience desired but not necessary!
Do they all have to sign NDAs? I'm surprised we don't get more inside information from (ex-)employees.
Wayno has like 2500 cars on roads. And can't get anymore than a thousand cars a year. Tesla makes 3 thousand cars a day. You do the months. Tesla will outscale Waymo in a week. When they start mass producing the CyberCab in April it's game over for Waymo. Also let's not forget, the CyberCab will cost Tesla $15k to make and Robotaxi ready. Meanwhile it costs Waymo over $180k to buy and retro fit the lidar tech on.... Tesla has the cost advantage. In what universe will Waymo win?
What driver in the chase car - they’d obviously be using FSD 😂
The shell game never ends, what a joke.
I think, they are being very careful. Is that not the responsible thing to do? And... technically, there is no saefty driver in the car... soo. I know it is kind of cheesy, but still, you cannot actually deny the progress that has been made.
Please explain the progress Adding a car is not Less hardware
No doubt.
Two cars for one passenger is progress?
if they wanted to be very careful, they could just keep the safety monitor in the car rather than use a chaser car. This looks like it’s being done to create the illusion of progress.
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In other news, British comedy legend Rowan Atkinson launched his new [Mr Bean's Mini Cab](https://c.tenor.com/KW_4CI9Odt8AAAAd/tenor.gif) service in London yesterday, also with no safety monitor in the vehicle.
It was literally up $17 on the news yesterday.
Unsupervised FSD for consumers where Tesla takes responsibility is an asymptote that will never be achieved by design. Tesla is never going to take the responsibility. FSD is game to keep the stock inflated and keep people on the hook just enough to avoid major customer fallout and class-action lawsuits.
Why have we never seen Elon ride on the back seat of his own car? Because it's not ready and it will never be. He will rather let his stans be crash dummys first
Why lie then. Ah right, earnings call is next week
From Head of AI to Head of Smoke and Mirrors.
And Zoox, Rivian, etc. Anyone with LIDAR.
Hahahaha you can't be serious? Let me guess, you own a Tesla?
Waymo already did, they've been operating without drivers for a decade.
Fake it till you brake it.
Why did they choose to test it in a less safe manner then?
This comment is more significant than people may immediately realise. Imagine being an employee there now. So many reasons you would want to go work somewhere else! Ten years ago I expect they could expect to easily recruit and retain the brightest and the best. Now, even if a gifted engineer isn't put off by the polarising political stuff, he/she knows there are multiple other companies with better technology, making genuine progress. If **any** of those companies would take him or her he'd/she'd be off like a shot!
So now they can lose money even faster than Uber by using two cars to drive 2 people around in one of them for less money than Uber would charge for the same ride with one car and a driver.
Waymo has had truly autonomous robotaxis for quite a few years now, why is Tesla so far behind?
By the looks of it, 3 cars. Think of all the incremental vehicle sales. For every 2 passenger Cybercab ^((not trademarked)), there are now two Model Ys required to follow it. 10T valuation right there.
What the fuck is a trailing car going to do if the robotaxi drives down a one way street? Hope and prayers?
It makes me wonder if the brain drain is another reason Tesla failed to compete with waymo zoox etc. We now have paint it black, that self delivery, those two 8 and 6 second self driving clips, and now a 'no safety monitor' stunt.
How incredibly ineffective. What happens when the first car goes through a yellow light, forcing the supervisor to run a red to follow them?.
See AI has actually doubled jobs. Instead of having one driver a self driving car now requires a remote operator to handle difficult traffic to simulate AI intelligence and an onsite maintenance tech to fix any connection issues or remove any evidence after an accident.
You're missing his vision friend, it's two *robots* to move one person
What happens if the chase car rearends the robotaxi?
But Elon said…
What a scam. Elon Musk just lies, lies , lies and lies… And his fanboys follow him
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You've glossed over a minor detail: There's no "robo" in Tesla's "Robo-taxi".
I think he may have rode in the side seat of the Cybercab...TSLA is too innovative to make a taxi with an old fashioned back seat. But its easy to fake/tele-operate staged events.
Elon is a master at word chess. Market manipulation at its finest.
One thing I've noticed in any group shot of employees at a Musk company is youth. There are up sides to having "fresh ideas", etc, but IMHO its very telling. Seems a lot of people go straight from college to Tesla or his other companies and don't decide to hang around that long. So its not just a brain drain - I think there's a lack of continuity with institutional knowledge, internal procedures, etc.
Don't you mean ***when*** the chase car hits the robotaxi?
>Is that not the responsible thing to do Now I've got coffee all over my key board. ***"Responsible"*** and a decades worth of false phrophecy and unvalidated faux testing are not congruent.
Its more profound than it sounds.
If you're expecting the teleoperator to be monitoring the car closely enough to intervene in an emergency, just have them drive the damn car. Teleoperators are ideally used to babysit a few vehicles to maneuver them slowly out of situations the automated system can't figure out.
>Tesla has the cost advantage. In what universe will Waymo win? They have a product that is significantly closer to being functional.
>Tesla makes 3 thousand cars a day. And 0 that can self drive [unsupervised.In](http://unsupervised.In) what universe will Tesla win?
I'd imagine the visage of two Teslas emblazoned with Robotaxi branding crashed into each other b/c the beta software didn't see the obstacle and they let the chase car follow suit would be worth spending money and having the chase car handled by a human at all times. I'm guessing this is another one and done situation like the delivery car situation from last summer so they don't have to pay too many people to follow along all the time.
The comparison would still be 1000 autonomous cars a year vs none from Tesla. Sure, Tesla can do a lot of regular EVs, but so can many other manufacturers. Until they can get the FSD to work with their hardware, it doesn't matter how cheap it is because it's just not autonomous.
Not to mention there A, isn't infinite demand for taxis and B, Tesla hasn't even started seeking certification in major cities. They can produce all the cabs they want, not a one can drive in San Francisco, New York or LA.
But then you can't scam people into thinking you have actual scalable autonomous driving. Everything about this Austin operation has been from the start a ruse to pump the stock.
Probably push the button to make the chased car hard break and stall traffic while they catch up. And if someone slams into them that's okay, not their fault.
> you cannot actually deny the progress that has been made Watch me.
Just like it would have been safer to keep the safety monitor in the driver's seat but they didn't for no reason but optics.
If this isn't evidence of fraud, then what is?
Oh boy. Can't wait to see the new safety statistics after they remove the supervising driver to ANOTHER CAR. Safety statistics from Tesla? What am I thinking?
It wasn't figuratively up?
Which is why "supervised" "FSD" is a dangerous scam. It takes about a second to react to something so there will be at minimum one second for someone to take the controls, assuming they are actually paying attention.
\*Everything\* Felon Musk says or pretends to do has only one goal, hype!
Two drivers, two cars, two parking spots, all to transport, .... one person. That will solve the congestion problems! And it's all so economically sound!
They already have.
The Elon Bunny: It just keeps lying, and lying, and lying...
It was either a remote operator or a preprogrammed route since they knew the path would be clean anyway.
Working for Elon means being complicit in his unethical activities.
He's not a mast of anything. If anything this is a testament to idiocracy taking over.
Illegal activites should nullify the validity of an NDA.
Who else could have invented a slower, crappier subway that needs 40 drivers instead of 1!?
*Totally* scalable. Presumably they will also be providing a safety monitor in a chase car for every Tesla customer subscribing to FSD (Fool Self Driving).
Plus two teleoperators and a safety monitor. So instead of one driver you have 3
The closer you look at tesla, the more you realize its just like 5 people in a basement trying to make progress in between pot boiling watch sessions.
What genius designed an autonomous driving system that takes 3 cars and two human drivers to pull off? Lmfao 🤣
Trevor Milton went to jail for doing less than this shit.
Elon is the biggest stock pumping lord.. whatever it takes LOL
I admire every single person able to navigate that traffic safely.
More negativity from Fred.
That's fraud.
Trying to rearrange deck chairs before the earnings report on Wednesday.
So it's a taxi that requires two cars per ride. Genius!
I would imagine it's configured in a way where the automation does the quick reaction stuff. That would be set extremely conservatively, where the slightest thing would trigger it to just stop the car and send a notification that it needs human intervention to decide what to do next.
You'd think ... but it still tried to run railways tracks with the arm down.
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