Horrifying.. kids burned to death because no physical door handles on the Cybertruck. Neither from the inside nor outside. When will US regulators step in?
Tesla has physical door handles on the inside. They are levers right there where the door button is. They don't have anything on the outside which is like a lot of EVs
# Opening a Rear Door with No Power To open a rear door manually, perform the following steps: 1. Remove the rubber mat on the bottom of the rear door's map pocket. 2. Pull the mechanical release cable forward and push the rear door open. Seems real simple - no problem at all...unless of course you're a small kid or in a hurry for some silly reason like fire...
The cable is bright yellow And also rivian copied tesla's design but somehow made it harder In the other EVs (model 3/Y) it is even easier. I have a pull cord that sticks out
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Tesla has a physical handle in the front and they have a pull tab in the back. It's not hard to get to
Aren’t these being re-designed already?
Headline from October: # "Rivian Will Redesign Its Interior Door Handles After Tesla-Like Complaints"
Tesla will also redesign their door handles. So what?
What does Rivian have to do with anything here? But yeah, thank goodness the cord that is hidden under the bottom of a storage compartment is *yellow.* That could be a lifesaver.
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Emergency door release. Read the manul
you mean those teens who irresponsibly drove the car at high speed and crashed into a tree? You think it is tesla's fault they drove like that? When a car is damaged it is not easy to open the doors The driver and front seat passenger clearly didn't try to get out of the car and that door is the easiest one to open it's impossible to miss the manual door release because it's right there
Tesla also has plans to make a floating Cybertruck and flying Roadster. There is no longer any legitimate statement that begins with "Tesla will...".
And rivian is different? Tesla makes changes to their cars all the time
Dumb question from a pedo who never landed a rocket: Do you really think Incel Camino owners pass out a manual for their passengers to read when they pick up the crew from soccer practice? Wouldn't it a whole lot simpler to *not* have a design that results in krispy kiddos?
You should be able to exit a burning vehicle without reading the manual first. They're pitching these things as robotaxis. Do you expect the passengers to all read the manual before getting in? Absolutely indefensible design process
Sure...and TSLA is also working on a Cyberquad and a range extending battery for the Cybertruck. I'm sure the new door handles will follow right on the heels of those totally real projects.
The light of the fire will help you see the diagram on how to pull out the rubber mat in the door panel.
The re-design of the new door handles was announced by Franz, not Elon. You’re partially right in that we don’t know *when* that re-design will be implemented, but I don’t think this is a full self driving type situation. NHTSA is powerless right now, but I can see Tesla fixing these door handles anyways since they run a real risk of being shut off from the Chinese market. That would cause far more damage than vague powerless US regulations tbh.
“And just don’t have kids if you have a Tesla.” Right? (For the sake of humanity.)
>The re-design of the new door handles was announced by Franz, not Elon. Great, so its not even their Technoking saying this? I'm not gonna hold my breath (well unless I'm choking to death in the back seat of a burning Tesla).
That’s hilarious. I would argue that Franz announcing it actually means it *will* happen. It’s just the kind of thing Elon would never bother with and wouldn’t care if it’s done or not.
>And just don’t have kids if you have a Tesla. Kinda goes hand in glove with owning an Incel Camino.
Are we talking about the same Frantz? I'm talking about the guy who drove a Tesla Roadster off the back of a semi ***8 years ago*** in front of a clapping cargo short army. That's a long time to hold one's breath.
Teslas poor design choices aside, I think that accident is the worst one to use to make an argument. If you watched the video linked by OP, the mother of the female passenger keeps blaming the door for the loss of her daughter instead of where the real blame lies. Her daughter shouldn’t have gotten into a vehicle with a drunk driver. I believe they even found cocaine in his system. They could have been in a gasoline car and made that impact at 60+ mph and the firefighters would have needed to use the jaws of life to cut the doors off even though those doors have mechanical handles. Going from 60+mph to an instant stop does a lot tweaking of the metal door and frame around it, sometimes making it impossible to open from both the inside and outside. Seriously, this accident is not the best example to try to make a point. I feel sorry for the occupants and their families but the blame lies with the drunk driver here. Regardless of that fact, they really need to put a mechanical handle on the rear doors. The wire release at feet level is pretty dumb.
You're talking about the same tesla that makes upgrades to their cars multiple times a year They do not wait for model refresh people assume because roadster and semi are delayed that tesla moves slow. Tesla moves faster than almost anyone
It just seems like he starts something, hypes it until there is a problem, then drops it and starts something else…
Absolute insanity. Finding that without prior knowledge in an emergency is like a challenge straight out of the SAW movies.
No one at the company holds any real power, except for the man who has been repeatedly exposed as a drug addict. In this Bloomberg video, the woman (I can’t recall her name) from the board makes a statement, as if she has any authority to take action. The entire board is preoccupied with profiting from their stock grab. Just naked corruption.
They will deploy the upcoming Optimus robots to do the work on this one.
The whole design seems so blatantly unnecessary too. Like does anyone really want cars without door handles? Sure maybe a button on the handle if you want to do some fancy electronic opening thing, but why even bother to get rid of the handle?
No, this can't be true, I recently read it got high safety ratings. That means it's the safest vehicle ever. /s. This is fcking horrible.
The evil thing is that they clearly thought of this too when they were designing these and acknowledged the risks and still signed off. Evil company.
Proof of cargo (short) cult detected!
And he's worth 600B from doing it. Is the world really this delusional?
To quote Elon(s repost) "If your only child dies in a car accident you didn't have enough children"
I'm going to guess it's cheaper not to put in actual mechanical door handles.
AFAIK rivian never promised a floating truck and a flying sport car, so yes they are different on that regard (credibility when they say they will do something).
Huh? RJ directly said Gen 1 cars would have level 4 driving. Autonomous. He even KNEW that the mobileye hardware could not do self driving. He lied to sell cars. On the order page they were actively promising eyes off driving and hands free. They never delivered any of that. They showed features like tank turn, kick turn, etc. and they just never delivered them on consumer cars. many people purchased rivian vehicles for the tank turn feature which never came All the time rivian software developers or RJ say features are coming and they never do.
It's all about profits...
There are physical door handles on the inside of every Tesla. I just looked up Cybertruck interior pictures and they're as plain as day. [https://i.imgur.com/xc2CXa9.png](https://i.imgur.com/xc2CXa9.png) Also, how do you open a regular car's door handles in a crash from the outside if all the occupants are incapacitated? Cars are usually locked.
It’s still electrically powered. You need to pull off a door panel for the manual release
No, that's completely false. [https://i.imgur.com/ld6YWkc.png](https://i.imgur.com/ld6YWkc.png) [https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en\_us/GUID-903C82F8-8F52-450C-82A8-B9B4B34CD54E.html](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-903C82F8-8F52-450C-82A8-B9B4B34CD54E.html)
You literally linked the door panel coming off and a picture of the manual release cable
Check the picture.
Read the document the rear doors need a panel removed and a cable pulled
Why would I open a rear door in an emergency?
There’s one born every minute…or worldwide maybe more than one every second…
yes lol
Because you are in the back? Because there are people in the back? Do you think the kids were driving the car? Each Tesla has some stupid way of manually releasing the door, only the CT has easy to reach manual front door releases. The back passengers of the Y have no way of opening the back doors. There are literal stories of people trying to get out of burning Teslas and not being able to.
Funny how you changed topic after being proven to be wrong.
Maybe because it's an emergency?
I don't know, because the front doors are blocked or there is *someone in the back seat?*
Yeah, easy for a a 5 year old in a child seat 😂
For the same reason Teslas doesnt have a real rain sensor in the windshield, like all other brands have. For the same reason Tesla don't use ultrasonic sensors around the car. For the same reason Tesla build quality is so crap that like 20% of them doesnt pass a regular mandatory check after 3 years.. It's cheaper.
Not only signed it off. Lied to regulators. Physical handles ARE mandatory. But it's self-certification. On the model 3 there were enough complaints to the regulators, so they got added later.
All cars with central locking. Since around 1992, and some earlier than that (and especially any with auto locking), will unlock the doors in the event of a crash.
In the earlier 3s they didn't include it at all on the rear doors. Not until they were reminded it was a legal requirement and they had signed to say they had done it when they hadn't.
Fashion over function
No dude emergencies only happen in the front seat.
\> Is the world really this delusional? Yes.
How hard is it to grab and open a handle? The electric doors are just a gimmick and it's just that much more that can go wrong.
It makes no sense. Somewhere in there, they still have to have a mechanical section to the latch. This is just adds more points of failure, and really provides nothing of value.
It's worse than the Ford Pinto memo.
I believe this goes all the way back to the development of the original roadster where Elmo came up with the idea and it put the car over budget and delayed it. Due to the delays he was able to force the owners out by blaming it on them, yet he was the idiot who kept having stupid ideas which went against the flow of developing a cheap electric car based on the body and components of the Lotus.
Because there is just so much time to look for the release in a fire while in a panic state.
When I started reading these, I immediately bought two emergency tools for my cars that are kept in the door pockets. The ones that blunt impact shatter glass and cut seatbelts. Perhaps overkill, but every passenger that gets in gets a quick tutorial on how they work and where/how to open the emergency door releases.
Guess everyone I know that owns one is getting a pair of rear door emergency pulls from temu for Christmas lol
Started with their dangerous CEO
Especially in some of them where it is in the floor, above the battery where the fire is coming from.
Is this the New small penis vehicle?
Next find the photo of the ~~mechanical handle~~ *rubber mat you have to pull out of the door to fish out a pull cord* for the kids in the back seat to get out.
im no genius, but a car without external handles means no one can help you easily if you say, suffer a stroke and cant get out. people are making poor choices buying products with obvious flaws. would you put loved ones in a car they cant easily egress without reading a manual? i wouldn’t. its like a child lock with more steps.
Seems like a reasonable course of action if, I dunno...you're trapped in the back seat during an emergency. I hear TSLA puts seats in the back so people can sit in them.
In newer models, Dojo will challenge you to a game of chess - winner decides whether or not the door opens.
Yes, it is. Ford was slow to address the Pinto’s gas tank problem because it was cheaper to pay the families of the few victims. Only when publicity got real bad did they add a shield to the gas tank. It’s all about the money.
I know very little about Rivian, or what they've claimed - because their sales are a pimple on a rounding error. Surely you aren't justifying bad behavior by pointing out somebody else's bad behavior? Because that is a TERRIBLE way to prove a point that is usually reserved for elementary school kids after they've been caught mis-behaving. But putting that all aside..."RJ"? Is that the way it is now - first "Elon this" and "Elon that", and now its projected to other CEO's. SMH.
Regulations are written in blood. If we don’t have regulations companies will literally murder us. America had few regulations and you couldn’t drink the water, breath the air or eat the food without getting sick. Funny thing is by developed world standards we are behind.
Being born into money doesn't make you smarter, it buys you a more expensive education. A more expensive education exposes you to the rich social circle. This has more potential to lead to financial success through shady deals and failing upwards. There are just as many idiots up top, and a higher concentration of low moral character. Focus on broad metrics like GDP, trade balance, or total value of the stock market simultaneously hides the real pains in our economic system and glorifies the ever increasing wealth disparity. The world is deluded, intentionally.
The entire car is dangerous
Cybertruck has those idiotic "bulletproof" stainless paneled doors they have to laser cut and then glue in a mild steel frame to attach it since it can't be stamped. That means additional cuts in the steel panel are difficult and costly as well as difficult to line up for a handle hole/mounting point. It's cheaper to put the button on the door. The concept car that Elon was driving around had cutouts for actual door handles.
Cybertruck supposedly has bulletproof glass though.
I was close to getting a Tesla. Went back to the dealer to try and decide which one I wanted, color, awd vs rwd etc, and quicky noticed on the 3 the inside door release felt really really cheap. Cheap enough that it wouldnt surprise me if I crashed and used it I broke it to where I couldnt open the door. It felt that cheap. Plus my car insurance quotes were alot higher than I wanted so no Tesla for me any time soon. It felt cheaper than I wanted for the price and my friend said it looks too much like a Prius but at a premium
Buddy you can watch the video and see for yourself a Tesla that had 3 teenagers in the back seat burn to death trying to crawl over the unconscious bodies of the driver and front passenger. Not everyone who rides in a Tesla is aware that the door handles stop being door handles after an accident.
Jumping from one failure to the next. He’s got an entire R&D Department dedicated to creating prototypes of his next bad idea. Ketamine is in the driver seat
"When will US regulators step in" At least 3 years from now unless they have another schoolgirl fight
That was a lie that was obvious the first time it was shown
Thanks
If I burn to death in my Tesla, at least I do it with style
And Ego is navigating
Modern Volkswag/Seat are the same. I wonder what happens on those in a crash where the 12v is gone
The Cyberjunk frame isn't steel at all, its cheap cast aluminum to save costs. Its top to bottom built like crap lol
> Cybertruck has those idiotic "bulletproof" stainless paneled doors they have to laser cut Yeah, the sharp ass ones that have cut people, as well as (at least one) little dogs. > a mild steel frame As the other person said: not steel at all. More than once there have been videos of people ripping the back end of the frame off the vehicle trying to tow a stuck CT. There's a YouTuber that showed the damage up close.
> That was a lie that was obvious the first time it was shown It is, but the glass is almost impossible for emergency workers to break enough to get people out, and that's compounded by how hot a battery fire is and the impossibility of putting it out via water.
> I immediately bought two emergency tools for my cars that are kept in the door pockets. The ones that blunt impact shatter glass If you're driving a CT (or not, but care) go read up on how those don't work on CTs. While the windows aren't what Elmo claimed, emergency workers have a hell of a time trying to get people out, and they have much better tools. If you crash and the doors don't work, you're stuck, and if the battery combusts, you're doubly screwed.
I thought I read that too. I have a Model 3 if it matters. Elmo lol. I cackled.
> Emergency door release. Read the manul Do you offer a 'crash' course for every passenger before you let them in the vehicle? What about kids?
The door frame inside where they mount the hinge, window hardware, and latch is all regular mild steel glued to the stainless skin. [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-UYAAeSwKfVocTfU/s-l1600.webp](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-UYAAeSwKfVocTfU/s-l1600.webp) The passenger cabin frame is also stamped mild steel. The front and rear subframes are "gigacast" aluminum.
> You're talking about the same tesla that makes upgrades to their cars multiple times a year You mean like removing turn signal levers?
> If I burn to death in my Tesla, at least I do it with style Ugly style, maybe. They're bland as hell.
Is that why the automatic wipers can’t make up their mind? I always wondered why my 2016 Grand Caravan could figure out when and when not to wipe, but my Tesla that’s always a year away from becoming C3PO thinks it can away the sunshine.
Tesla’s door handle design is truly awful. It takes so much effort just to open the door. I can only imagine how difficult it must be for someone with an impairment or disability, it’s a terrible design, and yet people seem to approve of it. I don’t mind that the handles are "in" the door, but having to press on the larger section before you can grab and pull them? How did they keep such a flawed design for so many years? I own an EV with retractable handles too, but at least they’re traditional in style, nothing like this monstrosity.
External door handle or not, the problem would be the same if you have a stroke, most of the car today are self-locking when you start driving. How having an external door handle will change anything if the car is locked ??
nah there is a story about Musk demanding them late into development for "aerodynamics". it put them back months. it only cost them money and nearly fucked them. Musk has always been style over substance,
This is completely false. The cybertruck has physical door handles on every single interior door.
A society built on hype and marketing.
Most cars with mechanical external door handles still have some sort of manual override, usually in the form of a traditional door lock which would at least let you open the door. It wouldn't be much help if you had a stroke unless you had a spare key but if your car keys are dead or if you've locked them in the car or lost them and need new ones you can still get into the car without having to smash the windows.
Musk should be personally held accountable for this https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-reportedly-insisted-on-troubled-tesla-doors-after-a-warning-2000703186
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