Tesla makes your average Range Rover look reliable.
Anyone makeing any reliability claims from a TÜV inspections report is straight up lying. All this tells us is that: 1. Bushing, brakes, and headlight assemblies on Teslas are suspect. 2. Teslas lack of a required service schedule, means that some issues with the car are fist found during vehicle safety inspection.
That’s because they keep treating these like a car. Tesla is a robotics company so you need to test their cars to robotics standards.
Your attempt to whitewash Tesla fails and you are the one who is lying. These are results from safety inspections mandated by law („Hauptuntersuchung“) whose intervals and checks are the same for EVERY car. They compared apples with apples
It makes an '87 Yugo look good.
I'm not attemtting to whitewash anything. While the intervals and checks are the same for EVERY car. Every other Brand of car will most likely have gone through their manufacturer required service, where issues with items such as bushing, brakes, and headlights would have been caught. If there where any issue to find, we don't know from this rapport. All we know is that Teslas don't have a manufacturer required service before their first safety inspection. And that said inspection often find issues with the bushing, brakes, and headlights on Teslas.
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"No maintainance needed" says every tesla fanboi
Pretty sure it was sarcasm.
Which pretty much proves that the whole “EVs” don’t need servicing thing is a total lie.
Soo soo many new users don't know about the no /s
The effect of Service scheduling is a part of overall reliability
It is, even if that servicing is only a trip on a lift to inspect the undercarriage. With my Kia EV6, the scheduled maintenance service states to replace the air filter, and then there is a long list of things that should be inspected.
Less complicated than ICE but still less reliable
It also Tells us that 17% of Model Y owners drive around with a safety defect without knowing. Probably driving 200 km/h on the autobahn with kids in the backseats, thinking about how the Model Y just got best rating von NCAP crash tests :D "I am in the safest car ever build, lol"
Service scheduling tells you nothing on how often the car breaks down.
So they need just as much service and are likely to consume tires at a faster rate - good thing tires aren't known to be the most expensive maintenance item/consumable on cars...
What’s your point? They’re talking about overall reliability, having a bad or nonexistent service schedule makes that worse and the report indicates one measure of that bad reliability
owned two and they are reliable. all i had was the known suspension issues. i am confused about this. does every software update count against them? sold due to seeing the smoke and mirrors and realizing autowipe and phantom was never getting fixed
POS does what POS does
Ehh, EVs do have their own complications, so many places to have leaks.
Its very good news for Tesla. Peoples need to buy new Tesla every 3-5 years. It will increase the sales for Tesla. Up another 5% today.
Oh it does. Ever wonder why Toyotas have such a good reputation? It’s because services interval is 15 000km and Toyota has extensive statistics what needs to be checked and when. Thus on average pretty much everything is caught and addressed before it breaks. Assuming a competent authorized repair shop and customer who takes it to authorized shop after warranty. Although in Europe, Toyota has extended warranty up to 10 years and 200 000km if it’s always taken to authorized shop. So, most do.
Obviously the mechanics doing these inspections can't understand Elon's 1st principles 5D chess moves. They need to get with the program.
They never ranked better than the bottom
Every EV owner.
Which is why a lot of them fail the mandatory inspection in Europe. All cars have to be inspected regularly to ensure that they live up to the requirements for road safety. First inspection is usually conducted after four years and then every two years(depending on country). If you car is obviously illegal, the police can mandate that you must get your car inspected for roadworthiness. Tesla’s usually fail because the brakes have rusted and the control arms are worn out(they are underspecced on the model Y).
Per Grok, its bushings, ball joints, control arms, brakes, headlights. This has nothing to do with software nonsense and fart mode updates...just the physical stuff that keeps you from killing people on the road.
German here. A year ago I asked a TÜV guy what he thought about Tesla (visiting with my Golf) while pointed at a parked one. "Taugen die was?" (Any good?) He burst into laughter and replied "ALLES SCHROTT! ALLES SCHROTT! (ITS TOTAL TRASH! TOTAL TRASH!) This was a stunning and amazing response from a professional who must have seen tens of thousands cars in his career! It was as funny as it was brutally honest 😂 I carry this memory in my heart ❤️
There’s also the difference that Tesla sells the cars directly to customers, where most others rely on dealerships. If you take your e.g. Volkswagen car to be serviced by an authorized Volkswagen dealership within the warranty period, then the dealership gets paid by Volkswagen to fix any defects covered by the warranty. They are interested in doing this work because it’s how they get paid, and they have power to get Volkswagen to pay for it. If you bring your Tesla to Tesla within the warranty period, then Tesla has to pay out for the fixes which they don’t want to since it eats into their margins, and the customers are mostly clueless and powerless to do anything about it if Tesla doesn’t want to pay.
Exactly!!!! This is just straight up FUD. Who cares about minor items such as bushings, ball joints, control arms, brakes, headlights...if Elon's 1st principles 5D chess faberge chariots weren't so damn good, they catch all these...umm...SUSPENSION FAILURES IN THE FIRST THREE DAMN YEARS with dinosaur vehicle service schedules.
This is correct. Tesla are disposable cars. It breaks. You buy a new one. No maintenance.
You mean lure it into a steel mill and shoot it with a pump gun??
>All we know is that Teslas don't have a manufacturer required service before their first safety inspection. I'm just a muggle who never landed a rocket, but here's a thought: If the brakes and suspension are FAILING at the 3 year inspection, maybe...just maybe...now hear me out here: TSLA should change their service schedule to match up with their janky Temu suspension and brake components. You know - so TSLA doesn't have to rely on the German government to figure out how terrible their parts are...since, you know, they sell to Branch Elonians in more places than just Germany, and all.
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> Audi claimed second place in the long-term quality rankings, followed surprisingly by Toyota in third. I'm a little confused why they're surprised by this. Toyota is well known for being reliable. I'm sure their reputation doesn't live up to the reality and they've probably fallen a long way from when they created this reputation. I spent 5 years driving a 30 year old Toyota with 200k miles on it and the only issue I ever experienced was a dead battery that needed replacing. That feels like pretty solid build quality to me.
> Tesla is a robotics company so you need to test their cars to robotics standards. Lol. Robot standards, at least industrial ones, are a lot more stringent.
ELON & TESLA are over done finished 🤡 How’s DOGE Elon ? 🤣
> I'm not attemtting to whitewash anything. Sure you are. >While the intervals and checks are the same for EVERY car. Every other Brand of car will most likely have gone through their manufacturer required service, where issues with items such as bushing, brakes, and headlights would have been caught. I haven't had an ICE car in decades that had a service requirement beyond an oil change, in the first three years, and many have pushed that out to five years.
> Service scheduling tells you nothing on how often the car breaks down. Except it doesn't with Tesla's, does it, because the whole point you tried to make is that Tesla doesn't have a service requirement that catches the problems causing them to fail on this report/safety inspections, yet they're clearly having those failures. This isn't Schrödinger's service.
> owned two and they are reliable. Anecdotes are anecdotes. > all i had was the known suspension issues. So, IOW, not reliable, because they had problems. Problems that Tesla can't be bothered to engineer out. > does every software update count against them? Software updates that are safety related do, for many quality studies, and should. This is standard, and affects other manufacturers as well. Most obvious in the industry over the last half dozen years has been recalls for backup cameras brightness/contrast - because many manufacturers allowed you to turn them all the way down for some stupid reason, and that makes the mandated safety system fail.
> I'm a little confused why they're surprised by this. Toyota is well known for being reliable. It might mean that they're surprised Toyota isn't higher.
> Same article from yesterday Same story, different link/article.
Specifically, they’re talking about and testing only the ones made in Germany.
The ones built in a tent in Fremont are way higher quality.
Nope mine gets regular services and inspection. Being an EV doesnt change the fact it gets beaten to all fuck by the roads I drive on. Better to find problems before they become major. Also stuff like the coolant needs regular change outs to keep performance high enough. All I need is to have my cooling system ineffective and I cook some component. Or I step on the brakes in an emergency and find out my brake fluid is crap when it doesnt stop effectively enough.
Even Alfa Romeo drivers can look down at Tesla reliability
There's no way Tesler would pass 61508 inspection.
Not that I meant some do not service it, but 99% of the ones I talk with say an advantage is they never need serving which is not true.
“Umm acktually it’s been in the shop so much I’ve never seen anything break. Thank you”
Its mostly a Tesla myth. I have heard other EV drivers talk about cheaper and less servicing (they would be right) but only the most delusional Tesla fans buy the whole no servicing thing.
In real life, you are probably right. Read any EV/auto sub on reddit and it is always one of the top comments when anyone suggest anything other than an EV.
Exactly. The notion that somehow the only thing that is checked on a service is engine oil really shows a lack of understanding of the mechanical issues that a car can suffer with, and also the number of systems which rely on fluid and lubricants which are nothing to do with whether or not the car has a combustion engine.
I wouldn’t say they need just as much service. It’s probably fair to say that the service requirements are generally lower, but not zero. My last two EVs have had service intervals of 2 years or 20,000 miles rather than yearly or even six monthly as in most ICE vehicles. I also wouldn’t necessarily say that EVs wear tyres out quicker than ICE vehicles. In Europe there are many EVs which are lower weight and comparable with ICE vehicles. For example, the Renault 5 EV is only around 1,440 kg and the Dacia Spring is less than 1,000 kg. Those will not wear tyres out any faster than an ICE car. But the American fascination with 2,500 kg (plus) vehicles with 100kwh batteries is where that belief comes from.
Those people are usually as i put it Elongelicals. I find them more annoying then the people pushing ICE FUD like the batteries only last 3 to 5 years or 50 thousand kms on EVs.
It's absolutely a Tesla lead myth. Back at the time of the European launch of the Model S Tesla actually required them to be serviced. (I even had the checklist from the UK service centre, it included basics like cooling fluids, transmission oil, hinge lubrication etc. ) The problem was Tesla wanted a walled garden of who could work on their cars. EU Block Exemption Regulations meant if Tesla wanted to have servicing specified for warranty, they'd have to allow 3rd parties to perform the service, and provide them with access to the tools and diagnostics that allowed this. So basically Tesla avoided sharing any of the diagnostic apps by basically honoring warranties without need for service.
WTH wow.
Tesla has always been like - "We shouldn't worry about the defects until they start affecting sales." \* sales are down \* "Hmm maybe it's not the defects fault sales are down, why fix them now?"
So can a tesla fight megatron?
I will always upvote a Yugo reference.
17% defect rate with 36 months of ownership, yikes. I assume these defects would be covered under warranty but damn has the Model Y always had these types of issue is it due to a refresh?
I thought they were made to self-destruct in a ball of flames.
\> owned two and they are reliable. all i had was the known suspension issues. "They are reliable, but....." So they aren't reliable.
Honestly the only things on Teslas that aren’t underspecced are the motors and batteries. I just don’t understand how people like them. They’re expensive, but also made of the cheapest crap, and honestly to me, ugly.
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Basically the hand grenade of cars, it's a single use item.
I was thinking that myself, our foundry robots were way more reliable.
I had an aunt and a great aunt both buy the same color Yugo and they both died from exhaust fires. Within a few months of each other. My family still laughs about that
People buy on emotions. Tesla knew people seek the thrill from a powerful engine, a sleek looking interior (looks classy and high class). Most people aren’t knowledge about the mechanical side of things and took Tesla’s words at face value. Any one with basic understanding of machines would tell you, things wear out. Lipstick on a pig sells.
Hopefully the cars, not your family 🙈
Yes the cars. I could have written that more clearly
Are you sure. This seems unlikely. Haha.
In a choice between a car that needs a brake change, and a car that gave money to the creators of diesel-gate, which killed thousands. I'd rather get my brakes fixed.
And you never see the spoon pop off
Darn. I read that the wrong way and thought there was some dark dry gallows humour going on.
No, not industrial robots, toy ones.
Probably couldn't fight Wall E.
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