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Thousands of Tesla owners join class action lawsuit over ‘Full Self-Driving’ in Australia

soldieroscar | 2025-10-15 12:37 | 647 views

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[deleted] 2025-10-15 13:12

Yup it's a mere lvl 2 system and always will be GJ Australia 🦘

soldieroscar 2025-10-15 13:16

I wish we could do the same in florida. I have a 2018 M3 and paid 8k for something I cant get. With inflation that is $10,316

Affectionate-Sink721 2025-10-15 14:24

This means the stock is going up today!

zippopopamus 2025-10-15 15:08

Elon musk is the greatest conman period

acethinjo 2025-10-15 15:40

"Musk initially claimed that Tesla would retrofit vehicles with new hardware capable of full self-driving, but it has been 10 months, and there’s been no word about an upgrade or even a significant software update for HW3 owners.." Wait, people believed that? Ha..haha.. lol

Agile_Tomorrow2038 2025-10-15 15:40

Tesla has already been found liable for a death related to fsd and had to pay over 300m. Stock is up like 30%

xt1nct 2025-10-15 17:22

BMW doesn’t offer FSD in the M3.

ExcitingMeet2443 2025-10-15 17:44

>...Musk admitted that HW3 won’t support autonomous driving... What happens if he ends up admitting that to achieve level 4 autonomy his cars really need HW4 PLUS LIDAR?

Fun_Volume2150 2025-10-15 17:55

LIDAR will probably require HW5.

strike2867 2025-10-15 18:19

Yes, instead they offer turn signals, have you ever heard of something so pointless?

strike2867 2025-10-15 18:21

Being honest here, I believed it a long time ago. Started really questioning it around 5 years ago, shortly after passing up getting a Tesla and buying an Audi instead. Huge mistake, should have bought a BMW.

strike2867 2025-10-15 18:22

Unless the courts force him or other manufacturers start using it, there is no way he will ever admit it or change course.

gwenver 2025-10-15 18:27

And they actually believe even if they had the latest hardware FSD would do what it says on the tin?!

thebaldfox 2025-10-15 20:13

BMW drivers don't use turn signals, total waste.

[deleted] 2025-10-15 20:20

BMW at least park straight

ExcitingMeet2443 2025-10-15 21:12

Except that other manufacturers ARE using LIDAR. Sure they are Chinese manufacturers but they're autonomous abilities look impressive. Does it matter to Tesla? It could if the Chinese government makes LIDAR or similar mandatory.

LazyIntroduction9516 2025-10-16 00:04

To be fair, Tesla did retrofit HW3 to vehicles that shipped with HW2, free of charge. I presume that hurt them badly enough they vowed to never do it again.

Commercial-Weight-73 2025-10-16 00:07

Actually I'm pretty sure lidar actually needs less compute than visual, it's one of the funny things about musk chasing his own stupid decisions, the continuous hardware upgrades are because he refuses to use lidar

happymancry 2025-10-16 02:16

Second greatest. Don’t forget his ex bestie.

Fun_Volume2150 2025-10-16 04:07

Lidar generates pretty dense point clouds that need significant processing to make sense.

Commercial-Weight-73 2025-10-16 04:14

I understand how lidar works, and I'm willing to bet using multiple high resolution cameras to figure out distance and identify every object is substantially more compute heavy. lidar knows distance outright, tesla cameras are trying to find the same object across two cameras and track it over multiple frames and compare convergence distance to triangulate a point

Lauzz91 2025-10-16 04:50

Absolutely nothing will happen to him. We all saw his immunity to these kind of things after the $420 funding secured tweet and then it was absolutely hammered home during the pedo guy defamation lawsuit

ExcitingMeet2443 2025-10-16 05:05

Okay, what happens if CHINA says you can't sell your cars here with your (unreliable? / unsafe?) full (of shit) self driving UNLESS you have better sensor technology? Like LIDAR?

himswim28 2025-10-16 14:17

> to figure out distance and identify every object is substantially more compute heavy. Yes, and that Tesla doesn't currently have the compute power available to do a multiple camera distance calculation is likely why the don't require the number of cameras to have objects visible from multiple angles. Appears they just rely on AI to deduce thats a car, and when it occupies more than X by X pixels we need to stop. Likely why his engineer told him fusion of multiple sensors would make the Tesla less safe. Not because sensor fusion is bad, but because they don't have the compute power to do it.

Joker-Smurf 2025-10-17 03:41

BMW locked the turn signals behind a monthly subscription in 2013; BMW drivers have yet to notice.

Fishbulb2 2025-10-17 12:13

I have you beat. We have not one, but two 2028 M3s with FSD.

Fishbulb2 2025-10-17 12:18

Some are clearly above the law.

tony3841 2025-10-18 03:21

And it was for nothing since they still don't have true FSD. It's unclear HW 4 is powerful enough for that. So updating would be expensive, and likely futile

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