The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened an investigation into more than 2.8 million Tesla vehicles with the company’s Full Self-Driving (FSD) system. As reported earlier by Reuters, the investigation will probe the traffic violations that occur with FSD, including driving through red lights and traveling the wrong way down the street. NHTSA’s Office of Defects Investigation is looking into 58 traffic safety incidents involving FSD, including 14 crashes and 23 injuries. In some cases, a Tesla vehicle failed to stop, or didn’t remain stopped, at a red light with FSD engaged, while others involve Teslas with FSD entering the opposite lane of traffic during or following a turn, or attempting to “turn onto a road in the wrong direction despite the presence of wrongway road signs.” Read more: [https://www.theverge.com/news/797618/tesla-nhtsa-investigation-full-self-driving-traffic-safety-violations](https://www.theverge.com/news/797618/tesla-nhtsa-investigation-full-self-driving-traffic-safety-violations)
"It drives better than I do!"
They're not wrong tbh, cause they tend to be trash drivers anyway.
I look forward to this investigation taking several years to complete, with no decisive outcome.
Relative of mine, after a few weeks with her (at the time new, 2024) Model Y: "I used to think Tesla drivers were assholes. Now I know that they were using FSD. FSD drives like an asshole. I never use it anymore."
This would be a real problem for robotaxis and unsupervised FSD. Best to follow the guidelines and stay attentive in case FSD gets lost.
“Almost sentient”.
It’s funny. The new head of the NHSTA Trump appointed in July, has supposedly clashed with Leon and Tesla before regarding safety. This might be interesting. lol.
Nissan Altima drivers have left the chat… enter Model Y drivers! 😂😂😂😂
How has NHTSA not already done something about this? It's been like this for years with no government intervention nor penalties of note.
Sure. And how about if Tesla actually implements robust driver monitoring, and stops promoting FSD as an actual autonomy product?
Too many " what is".
Because the NHTSA has no enforcement authority.
So what's new? It is not Full Self anything! It is lousy software with my human eyes better than my '19 model 3 cameras that get blinded with sun, rain and snow. Tesla should refund my purchase, for non delivery, plus $$$ for fraud.
What is a NHTSA safety recall?
I always read that NHTSA starts some investigation on this or that concerning Tesla. After they start their investigation there is never heard anything about an outcome. They are like ongoing forever... What the fuck is that shit? Just watch the videos, enforce Tesla to report disengagement rates, see they are way to low, forbid their software to operate until they met threshold X miles to disengagements. Where X is a number that ensures self driving cars are safer than human driven cars. How complicated can this be ffs?!
Are state agencies going to approve unsupervised while there is an ongoing federal safety investigation?
NHTSA is just the communicator in that situation. If there's any enforcement against an OEM necessary, it's going to come from the FTC or some other agency.
“The Vehicle Safety Act provides for civil penalties for certain violations and authorizes NHTSA to enter into settlements on penalties.” https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/civil-penalty-settlements
Oh they probably drive like ass holes as well. Since that's what FSD uses for training data.
Right. That says that NHTSA has the authority to sue a manufacturer, not to take direct enforcement action against them.
Well I know which agency is getting cut next.
FSD drives barely a notch above the AI in my racing sim games.
“It’s just puffery” - Tesla lawyer
How complicated? How about very. Without FSD Supervised, there will never be unsupervised. Y'all probably sound like the horse and buggy manufacturers when autos were becoming popular. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.
He's just waiting for a certain bitcoin transfer to hit his wallet.
They'll claim it's different software and Robotaxi is far more advanced.
So basically the nearly one trillion in value assigned to Robotaxi could vanish overnight if the NHTSA ruling is "harsh" (aka common sense). Stock flat on this news. Sigh
How about they just drop the Full and Self from the term Full Self Driving? That would be more honesty in advertising at least?
Ask her where she thinks the car learned it from?
Bullish !
I assure you: FSD will never "work" in the sense that it will offer SAE Level 5 autonomous driving. I could just as easily say "people who don't believe in unicorns are just like horse and buggy manufacturers". Its an absolutely meaningless comparison until FSD "works"...which circles us back around to: It will neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever work. The janky Temu cameras can't even see far enough to safely enter traffic - ergo Chuck can never complete his sisyphean left turn. I have a proposal for all Branch Elonians: How About TSLA makes a product that actually works...and this is the disruptive part: ***BEFORE*** selling it to the public. We'd all be better off.
I hope she had a free trial.
Depends on what the meaning of is, is
I'd be OK with just truth in advertising. FSD does not have full or self in the driving. Supervised FSD is an oxymoron. They just need a different, more accurate, name. And, more honest and realistic promises about the future. Then, I'd have no problem.
Yeah it's stupid anyway I mean the software is a moving target. They need a regulatory body that can respond almost instantly in order to keep up.
Well, if there ever is an effective regulatory framework put in place, I guarantee that robust change control will be a part of it. That’ll slow Tesla’s roll.
What took them so long?
Too bad we can't get Ralph Nader to write a book.
It'll go away quicker than that. All it'll take is an investment in one of some of Trump's meme coin or one of his son's companies and magically it'll disappear.
The US hasn't had a working regulatory environment for decades at this point. The Big Three are mostly complying due to inertia and market demand. Tesla is the first US carmaker to blatantly ignore rules and regulations, but other corporations/ industries have been doing it for ages.
One of many ongoing investigations. I hope they nail them to the wall for the egregious way they’ve allowed Tesla to endanger others and cost innocent people their lives. Rather than put a stop to it, Tesla prefers to continue selling pipe dreams of cars that can drive for you. Glorified cruise control is what it is.
That’s what the Tesla collision sub reminds me of. I gave a guy shot for his car wrecking itself and was banned. Lmao
Elon will start a department to remove all this pesky “bureaucracy that’s stifling innovation” or some non sense. Safety be damned. Elons willing and able to write the rules with the blood of others. It’s a sacrifice he’s willing to make.
I hate to break your bubble, but unless Elon makes a 180 and suddenly embraces multi-sensor suites and LIDAR, it’s never happening. Sorry you were fleeced out of 8k.
I’d be ok with “glorified cruise control.”
You don't understand my point? I meant how complicated can it be to accelerate this investigation of NHTSA. That unsupervised fsd is super complicated is not to question. It is proof enough that Tesla is not even able to deploy robotaxis without safety monitors in small scale and geofenced areas.
No government body wants to be responsible for the collapse of Tesla's share price. When JP Morgan and the BoE are publicly warning about a US stock market crash based on the AI bubble bursting, I can't help but think really talking about TSLA and the impact it would have on the S&P,.
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