People like taking free money from the government, especially Tesla and Tesla customers.
A fairly good review. There are so many superior EV's today and next year will bring the R2
Spoiler alert: He didn't like it.
All the reasons my first tesla was a juniper…..my friends had y’s and the creaking and poor ride quality made it a no go for me….thankfully it’s on another planet now compared to the previous 6 years.
Since your saying “today”…whats superior to the juniper in its price point?…absolutely nothing. Even in the older Y for as bad as it is….the software alone makes it better than everything that was out there(during those years)
Software is secondary when it comes to quality. Every legacy EV in that price range is better.
I seriously don’t get the whole software thing. I mean, I’m older than 45 so maybe that’s the reason. Once I have my tunes going and maybe a maps app with navigation going, I’m good.
Driving dynamics may be important once in a while but longer term over the ownership life of the vehicle, being able to make fart noises is just so much more important
I also understand that it’s pretty cool to open the glovebox on the screen.
Alright, I’ll bite: I call bullshit on this one. The reason why the Model Y became the most popular EV is simple: literally no one else has figured out how to make a decent EV at that price point. It seems pretty straightforward but going from my 2021 MY-P to a 2025 Audi Q6 E-tron Quattro has been nothing short of *mindblowing*… not in a good way. When it comes to the software, Audi has completely dropped the ball. As a car, it’s mostly great: Decent suspension, incredible acceleration, nice interior… but as an EV? I cannot begin to articulate how much of a disaster my \~8 month old, $75k German shitbox is. * It’s been in the shop for showstopper software bugs that have prevented me from entering and/or driving the thing 4x now. * OTA updates? Well the dealer sold me a vehicle that apparently gets them, but it’s been \~8 months, I haven’t received a single OTA update… * …but I have been summoned to the dealership, where they kept the car for an entire day… to update the software. * Phone key (or “digital key” as Audi calls it) is a sick, twisted joke that leads Audi snobs in r/audi to rip you apart for wanting to use this half baked feature (if you come from Tesla, you already know how great it is to not have to carry a stupid car key around!), where they will suggest “oh, just don’t use it”. * Weird intermittent sound drop outs on the sound system * 1990s style maps with zero indication of battery preconditioning… wanna use the great Apple Maps or Google Maps over CarPlay instead? Cool, but there’s zero EV system integration, so good luck on road trips… Ok, so what about the Polestar 3? Go ahead and have a look at r/polestar (or r/polestar3) and you’ll quickly see a long list of unhappy customers, complaining about similar endless software gremlins. Rivian might be the only other viable option but until the R2 is out, the R1 is just too big and too expensive for most folks. VW? Yikes. I have two friends with ID.4s. Let’s just say, they both want to go back to ICE. I could go on and on, but the fact of the matter is that now, 8 months later, without my Tesla, I still have a strong disdain for Leon and his cringe ass antics, but one thing is for sure: his team at Tesla has built an insanely great product that FAR surpasses other options, even in higher price brackets. I really wish this weren’t the case but my experience has been quite a lesson for me!
Ioniq 5, ev6 are easy to list. Just overall great cars.
It was the first mass produced EV. Combine that with what SpaceX was accomplishing and everyone thought Elon was changing the world. People wanted to be part of it. Then he showed the world who he was and where his priorities lay… 😂
ID.4, Ariya and Mach E are all better. They handle better and are way more comfortable with nicer interiors to the generic Tesla interiors.
If the car can connect to my phone, then it is enough. I get the map for routes and play music by phone. Don't understand what SW tesla fans need.
I want to love other EVs- but every one i drive I feel like is a hot mess compared to my Model Y. I was ready to buy an EV9 until I tried to use the software… same with the Audi, and Chrysler - and I have faith in any of them in delivering meaningful updates to fix issues. I want to love CarPlay and Android auto- but they’re still seem to missing necessary integration from the cars. Ford feels like they’re the closest to proper functioning software… but they don’t have a EV I want… Chevy I’d next for me to try. Polestar too
I really wanted to rest drive an id.4 when we were car hunting. I ended up going with the ioniq 5. Just such a great car. I can't say enough good things about it. Honestly, I liked the model y more than I thought I would. But I just hated the speedometer being on the middle screen. The interior felt lifeless and cheap. I do wish the ioniq beeped when a red light turned green and had a dog mode. Those were cool features. Imo, the machine is a price point above all these listed.
Yes It’s not mystery when the government picks up 20% of the bill.
I’m no Tesla fan, but it was the most popular because for a long time in a lot of markets it was the best family sized EV you could get for a reasonable price. In North America it was also propped up by having the best charging network. *Setting aside this year’s CEO antics, I never cared for the interior minimalism, nor the over-promising. I’m not saying the minimalism is objectively bad, it just wasn’t to my taste.
You are spot on about other electric options.
He changed the world alright. For the worse.
Minimalism is bad, because it is saying screw you to the customer we are leaving out the things you want to increase our margin.
wait….the review said the turns signals have a responsiveness issue and my thought was…”they have turn signals?“ Based on the hundreds I see on the road daily, I was positive they either didn’t have them, or they were an expensive add-on that most users don’t pay for.
Sarcasm, right...? I get it, wiring everything electric to one place, and then the screen is cheap - but the glovebox is so simple, it can't be cheaper than a latch.
Yes. I don’t understand how one comes to the conclusion that it’s a good idea to do it that way.
I chose the ID.4 over a Y when used shopping. Price, comfort, practicality all favor the VW. I’m just waiting on supercharger access. Where I live it is desperately needed to be able to access V3/V4 chargers.
I feel like most people here comment on how much better/worse other cars are without having even driven one let alone keeping one for a few weeks to see just how good/bad it is.
Yeah, and that was me. I watched a bunch of YouTube reviews of the Q6 and completely fell for "ok, the previous Audi E-Trons might not've been great, but VW/Audi has learned a ton and this is the result." 100% marketing bullshit/hype. The day I drove it home, I was SO excited, but that quickly faded the more time I spent with it. To your point, it took me a few weeks to really get an accurate assessment of it.
Outside of the US, the Choice for Consumers is much bigger. Also in Europe for example, there is no need for the Supercharger-Network as there are many other fast chargers available from other Companies. Really interesting that the Country who started the modern EV-Business now lags behind the rest of the world regarding choice and Infrastructure.
> the review said the turns signals have a responsiveness issue and my thought was My guess it is their de-bouncing algorithm, not anything mechanical or physical. It's a little too aggressive and sometimes rejects quick taps. I played around with mine, what seemed to matter most was how quickly I tapped, not how hard.
LOL, it's not like not needing a physical key was invented by Tesla. My 12 year old Chevy does that :> Sorry your Audi doesn't do that well, but that's saying "My Audi's brakes are shitty, so the only other option is Tesla."
When your goal is squeeze every bit of profit possible for a short term and who gives a fuck about what consumers want. Especially when you’ve cultivated a cult of suckers.
Well said
I can’t imagine that type of implementation could save any appreciable amount of money.
Hm, I think you're missing the point. In my already way-too-wordy post, I rattled off 6 pretty serious bugs. Have a look at the 'showstopper' bug I mentioned first in the list: [https://www.reddit.com/r/etron/comments/1j2men4/new\_q6\_highvoltage\_electrical\_system\_malfunction/](https://www.reddit.com/r/etron/comments/1j2men4/new_q6_highvoltage_electrical_system_malfunction/) Please enlighten me: what's the best, similar-costing EV alternative to a Tesla right now, in 2025?
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Okay. Hm, if my options are a Tesla (the one with the doors that don't reliably open in a crash), and \*literally any other automobile,\* I would prefer the other automobile. They're unsafe. If I were shopping? I would do an Equinox EV, probably. Maybe an Ioniq 6, I think that Porsche-like body-type is cute, and they drive well :> Plus, buying either doesn't fund the end of American democracy!
I think you missed my point. I feel like Tesla drivers are incapable of using turn signals. I’ve mentioned this to my one friend with one, and he laughed and said that rather than waiting and signaling, he just accelerates in front of people.
CarPlay in my well used Bolt and Ioniq 5 work great for me, but even better is the lack of need for it due to getter physical controls. Software in my Model 3 got worse over time. Laggy and screen went blank while driving sometimes. OTA updates changed the stupid places they hid controls, which should have been buttons in the first place. Walk up unlock tended not to work at the worst times - in uncovered parking lot while raining. At first I thought it was my old Galaxy Note but it happened just as much when I got brand new iPhone - it was the car all along. I do not miss that cars software at all. The car was fun in terms of handling with a lower center of gravity so it had that, but overall not missing it - the Bolt is a better urban city car in tight lots and the Ioniq is a much more comfortable road trip car. Just came back 1500 miles driving to Bozeman and back no trouble finding charging on maps, which was also free via EA. That reminds me how the software on the 3 tended to overestimate the range on a trip like that.
When will Tesla owned by the gov like Intel?
I think it's likeability is from people who never drove a new car before and spent max 10.000 on their previous vehicle.
It wasn’t even close to being the first. The Jaguar I Pace came out in 2018, the Audi eTron in 2019. The model Y was 2020.
In the US (and I think Europe), Tesla’s supercharger network is/was THE differentiator. Still is unfortunately.
Sure, sure, that's where they and others went, but a glovebox latch?! I can't believe it's cheaper than a latch.
Don't even have the energy to try to imagine how Tesla ride-or-dies will spin this review.
FFS, just use your usual account. This throwaway shit is getting old. Use your whole chest.
Tesla did remove the stalks from the column, not a Tesler driver so maybe that added to the lack of signaling?
Mars?
shouldn't be, any car can charge on a supercharger. When I rented a Cupra Tavascan, I charged at the Super Chargers stops I know from driving a Tesla. It's not a differentiator at all. Teslas charge faster (b/c the Superchargers do not adhere to the CCS spec for Teslas but do for third party cars) and cheaper but other than that it's exactly the same.
The whole MEB platform after its refresh, to be honest. Outside the US that's the Ford Explorer, the facelifted Skoda Enyaq, Skoda Elroq, Audi Q4 e-tron. Hell the Skodas and Audi are better ID.4s than the ID.4, which is better than the Y.
Software matters fuck all if everyone else just supports Android Auto and CarPlay, at which point I immediately have more media options (and don't need "premium connectivity" for the car) They all do route planning with charging stops (and they actually auto-add all kinds of fast chargers, as opposed to Tesla which displays SOME third-parties but only calculates with Superchargers) The driver assists in other brands are universally better than what Tesla offers. What else is there? Games? Who the fuck cares?
Ill take my bolt over any Tesla model. Other than Teslas charging infestructure, I see nothing attractive about those rattling glorified mini theaters.
In the bay, I'd say between 40 and 60% are using FSD. Driving them is absurd, the steering wheel isnt lined up with the drivers seat
Oh dear. Edit: they aren't going at the writer on X but they are definitely shouting at Motortrend.
European here: The Supercharger network is nowadays buried unter tens of thousands of other high speed chargers all across the continent and some other brands already have started to catch up with „plug and charge“ technology that Tesla is using Supercharging was a deciding factor for what car to select in Europe maybe 5 years ago but it is hardly any longer Note that the plugs all across Europe are standardized - that helps as well
> I think you missed my point. I didn't, Tesla drivers often do seem incompetent. However I would argue some of that appearance is due to issues like the turn stalks being inconsistent.
For dog mode put it in utility mode. It's not perfect as you will need to lock the car using the physical key but it exists and works great.
There are a plethora of other and better networks than Tesla in Europe. We’ve also had legislation for placement and accessibility for >150kWh chargers for a few years. I’ve never used the Tesla network.
Tesla's SuperCharger network has been irrelevant for the past 5 years, if not longer. European charging standards are higher than SC. Tesla doesn't have highway charging either and the numbers for SC ports in most of Europe are abysmal. the only reason tesla became popular was because of tax credits on leasing, which made it very popular for business users. Now that's gone, sales are gone and people choose again based on quality.
It was for the robotaxi grift - keep passengers out of your glovebox while your car is driving around making passive income.
Bah, could be. Locks on the glovebox exist, but possibly the lock tips the price in the favor of electrics. (That said, most likely not; most likely, the brief was "put everything on the screen and make that as cheap as possible.)
I think you have a point on some of the software, at least if you compare to cars 3 years ago and disregard ADAS. There is in my mind no doubt, that the Tesla has great navigation, route planning and charging, provided you stay in the walled garden of Tesla super chargers. However I n Northern Europe, Tesla Superchargers aren’t market leading in volume or speed. The fact that the network doesn’t support 800V, means that charging is slow for a lot of new cars. Further, most new cars have on-par navigation and route planning, so it’s no longer a competitive edge for Tesla.
>leaving out the things you want to increase our margin. I bought a car (second gen Lexus LS) that had famously low margins despite being an expensive car. You can tell they put all that money in the car. It shows.
To be real. There was a stretch where Teslas were pretty great and the service didn’t suck. I have a 2019 M3 (wife’s car) and last year sold my 2021 Model Y for an 2025 R1S. The Model 3 is 5 years old now, paid off and we’ve never had to do anything beyond changing the tires. (We do have a home charger). But it’s one of my favorite vehicles I have owned. I also loved the Model Y and had very good experiences with it. I sold it before I was underwater on it and I love Rivian’s design, vibe and bridging to when the R2 comes out with Tesla getting worse (weird product decisions, worse designs, quality issues) and service definitely deteriorating over time. But yeah. My 2019-2021 models were excellent and 100% the best car owning experiences I’ve had. I do get how it became so popular. Nowadays, Tesla is a shadow of its former self though.
People as in not me. Never want to be an early adopter (read beta tester). Just wait til the hype is less, the tech is more mature and the prices lower.
The first mass produced electric vehicle? The first mass rollout of a charging network? Cmon now… don’t act like anything electric was relevant before Tesla. They caused the market shift. Can’t believe I had to spell that out for you guys but here we are. Tesla is ass and I hate them as much as the next guy, but they changed the market. Government subsidies helped with that. Yay!
To be fair, when Model 3/Y initially came to market, they were really good in a lot of areas. 2025 - not so much anymore. The biggest plus side is gone in Europe, which is the charging network as you can use them with a non-Tesla too and our infrastructure is extremely good besides Tesla. Only thing that is still better than in my BMW is the responsivness of the UX.
100%. Tesla "stopped" somewhere around 2020.....
In Europe: Nope.
People (at least many I know of) don't care about car-things within cars anymore. They don't want to drive, they just kind of have to and hence they don't care about the quality of the ride, how the suspension is set up or how the feedback of the brake-pedal or steering wheel feel. People nowadays judge cars by the quality of the infotainment system and how many shades of color they can choose for the interior lights. Others just see an investment and buy a car based on initial investment, probable depreciation and resale value. That being said - this review is good and honest, but it doesn't match what many people are interested in when they buy a car. I'd say Tesla was at least some sort of Apple for cars. It started as pricey but innovative, offered build quality that didn't reflect the price and later on quite a bit lost the innovative part while focusing on products destined to fail or not even making it to the market. The brand itself is still carried by the old image of being innovative and different and can rest on a rather big fanbase that would not even dare to try competitors products.
I tihnk the notion that a Tesla is exclusive, luxury or sporty is wrong and it is also compared to cars that are in the article. However this is the electric version of a Toyota Camry. Of a Ford Mondeo or a Volkswagen Passat. It has nothing luxurious nor sporty about it. It is a cheap (in many countries the cheapest grown up EV). It is a car to take you from A to B and nothing more. It does a decent job of it, it is not aimed at car people or people with a huge will to live life, just go through the motions. And if you look at it like that, and must have an electric car. Well, I guess it works well enough.
You have it backward. They convince themselves that their car is "good" because of hype and FOMO and they justify it with the fact that it has a fancy screen and infotainment system. Meanwhile everything else about the car sucks so they can't wait to get out of it. Literally everyone cares about the quality of the ride.
Weren't those much more expensive though? I think the model y does have a valid claim at being (one of) the first true mass market ev cross overs. If we count high end market, purely by price, then there was the model x as well.
App experience is important to me. The Kia/Hyundai app is pretty terrible.
Where I drive the most (biggest city in the U.S.) no one uses turn signals no matter what they’re driving. Just saying. I mean BMW drivers have been legendary for years for not using their blinkers. This isn’t a Tesla problem. It’s a driver problem. And bad drivers buy all kinds of cars.
Nah. They’re right. People like bells, whistles and the UI. People like to feel as though they’re sitting in the future. There are other brands now but people still buy Tesla because they drive better than their old vehicle and have all this fancy stuff. It’s the same reason people buy $300 75” TVs. Despite the marginal improvement in quality of any. “Bigger is better, right?” When there are better TVs quality wise.
I had that exact vehicle, a 2023 LR with Acceleration Boost. It was even the same ugly blue color I ordered because my wife liked it the best out of all the boring choices at the time. It was sold a couple of months after Elon did his Nazi salutes (plural) and I felt lucky to get out of it for a loss of "only" $20k. That was my only complaint about the car - the political signaling which came along with driving it. I loved how it drove, and the reviewer might not like the firm ride and responsive pedal feel, but that was right up my alley. It did many things very well, and I do miss it. But I'll never touch anything Musk until he or any other Nazi can no longer profit one red cent from it.
> People nowadays judge cars by the quality of the infotainment system most of the time I drive alone, I don't do infotainment
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>Literally everyone cares about the quality of the ride. Really? How is it then that people buy cars without doing a test-drive? How can they make an informed decision on how the car behaves on certain roads and in certain conditions from sitting in it within a show room? And yes, that is exactly what a lot of people I personally know do. Also in all honesty, many people are shitty drivers. They couldn't even make a decision based on ride quality or road feedback because they don't even know what that is.
Infotainment features seem so incredibly stupid to me when you have a smartphone. Literally one of the last things I judge a car by. But that seems to be not normal like you say.
>Tesla. They caused the market shift No, that was government subsidies and handouts
Agreed. I've seen people decide between cars because of one offering Airplay and the other not or for e premium. Because "having Airplay" was on the top of their feature list. Not a well balanced driving behaviour, sporty steering, comfortable seating position - no. Airplay so they can navigate their playlists on the infotainment screen. I wish it was different. I wish people still cared about chassis tech, brakes, stearing-tech, but many don't. There are people out there driving basically on the rim without noticing, how would they feel a difference in damper-tech?
Just like passenger lumbar adjustment.
Hype and FOMO. Then regret
They didn't ever do this on the model y. They did it on the rest of their lineup for some reason. I seem to recall "official" response being that the Y is a family car and those consumers don't demand a "sporty" feel, whatever that's actually supposed to mean lol.
Last year I could choose a new EV in The Netherlands Europe. The model Y led in almost all categories including price and availability of service locations. Now one year later I have more options at least as good. And without a meddling CEO.
I wish my Silverado EV have phone as key. They're bringing it to the 2026 (or maybe 2027?) lineup as an option IIRC. I have to remember to bring the key fob. The app connectivity is also pretty terrible and requires a monthly sub unless you bought a higher trim in 2024. Out model Y did those things really well. Otherwise, the range and towing blows anything Tesla offers out of the water. So does the price point. I was willing to give up some software benefits for the vehicle capabilities. But I won't lie, I'd probably pay for phone as key if it was an option. I don't carry keys on the daily except for the need to with the truck.
I think the equinox EV is the most intriguing EV on the road, largely because of price point. Honestly don't know how that's not flying off shelves. I think Americans are still pretty closed minded as a market segment when it comes to EVs.
Why are people downvoting a guy saying they didn't like their etron? You weren't even praising Tesla lol. Talk about sub bias. 😆
I feel like he's been overall a net benefit to society. Definitely has gone backwards in recent times, and on this trajectory he may become net negative. Sometimes I feel the narrative is aggressively polarised and not nuanced enough.
CarPlay in my '24 Silverado ev (which they'd discontinued completely for 2026 and newer model years 😔) works pretty well, generally. Every now and then sound will completely stop transmitting and there doesn't seem to be a way to fix this other than stopping and reconnecting; the vehicle's UI doesn't allow for this while driving for safety reasons. I have had it crash entirely once in the 7000 miles we have had the truck. The crash made all features, including maps, unusable. Chevy seems to have moved away from CarPlay with all of their product lines. I imagine Android Automotive OS gives them some sort of financial incentive to go all in. I just hope they leave my CarPlay alone with future updates especially considering I'd need to either pay for monthly connectivity package or tether to my smartphone plan to use Android automotive OS. I want to say later years of the vehicle have eight years of the basic maps plan included though.
I think it very much depends on where you use your car. Balanced driving behaviour and sporty steering isn't something you'll notice if the majority of your time driving is spent driving through traffic on your daily commute or going to and from the grocery store.
Any good Musk has done has been eclipsed 10 fold by the damage done this year.
> The first mass produced electric vehicle? Except that's not even true? The Tesla Model 3 came out in 2017 and the Model Y came out in 2020. The title of first mass produced electric vehicle appears to belong to the Nissan Leaf, which came out in 2010.
Other way round for Tesla.
Well, IDK how it became the #1 EV where you live, but a few years back where I live it went like this: Me: I WANT AN EV6! Dealer: Okay well it's "desirable" right now (cause we don't make enough of them) so it's uh.. \*checks notes\* an extra $20,000 right now. Most of the brands that were making really good EVs at the time weren't stocking them seriously or taking it seriously. Some of these were like "oh we can only get you the rear wheel drive model" when we are a heavy winter region. Repeat, repeat, repeat as you go down the list of vehicles until you get to the Tesla dealership. I ended up buying a Ford Maverick Hybrid in the end instead of any of the above..
Future generations will use America's approach to EVs as a case study of the failures of protectionist trade policies.
I live in a remote area in the mountains of Colorado yet I have multiple non-Tesla charging options. I will never use a tesla supercharger and a Musk will never see a penny of my money.
It's like when Blackberry was the market leader and then Apple decided to change hardware production with the iPhone and power it with easy to use software. The concept of someone staying market leader forever is the fallacy.
the supercharger network is open now. It's no longer an issue in the US
Literally every legacy EV available today at a similar price range is better than a model Y. VW, Ford, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan and GM all have better build quality, comfort and most have better handling and these are the things that matter. Tesla puts ou a generic piece of garbage.
I think this is why the Tesla sub really started only pushing the US numbers.
He didn’t do a Nazi salute. It’s a Rorschach test.
The EV1 came out in 1996. Owners loved them, but GM wanted to kill the program.
Im in line to get an R2 but the majority of folks won't be getting it until mid 2027. They just can't produce enough fast enough. Their new factory for mass manufacturing of it will be completed sometime in 2028.
They did bring that back.
They also started selling a turn signal stalk in China.
yeah, shit is ridiculous.
It drives really well! The Chevy dealership experience is typical (miserable) for purchasing an EV. The greasy car sales dude didn't know how anything related to it worked. So, Chevy is doing their best to NOT sell the Equinox EV, and it's STILL selling *comparatively* well, just on price.
Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Have you ever had a thought that was outside of your political voting patterns?
It's like porn. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. The rest of the world saw it too, which is why Tesla is in deep shit right now. And rightfully so.
Yet, someone how only the left saw it that way. Doesn’t that tell you anything?
I care about both, lol
Yes. Many Tesla buyers are very dumb consumers and didn't know cars with better build quality exist. And with actually working signal stalks
Dude, seriously! I thought my write-up was fair. I was simply pointing out that the Tesla software is objectively well executed. We can hate on Elon and Tesla all day long and still admit that there are some strong aspects to a company/product we don't necessarily like, especially at that price point. I'm sorry so many of you in this sub are touched by that reality. I am someone that genuinely WANTS to see better options than Tesla. I want to see EVs that truly do beat Tesla and raise the bar for quality... this includes, at its core, the SOFTWARE. Other than Rivian, I'm not aware of any other offerings that currently come close.
There probably aren't any software offerings outside of Rivian that come close, at least in the states. I love my Silverado EV, but if you told me the software was developed 15 years ago I would believe you. I can't even tell the thing to only charge between 9pm and 1pm the next day.
You still need compatible plugs and chargers. In Europe, pretty much everything is CCS2, so every car works with every charger, regardless of which car it is and which charging network it is.
The funny part is, white nationalists saw it for what it was, and they loved it :> When the [literal, actual nazis](https://apnews.com/article/musk-gesture-salute-antisemitism-0070dae53c7a73397b104ae645877535) say that your ideas look great, you either need to re-evaluate your ideas, or you can admit you're a nazi. To quote Evan Kilgore (who is to the right of Gengis Khan): "Did Elon Musk just Heil Hitler? ... We are so back.”
eh it's true you need an adapter. But they are very cheap compared to the price of a car. Or even just dcfc. and they sit in your trunk whenever you need it. not really an issue. and also every manufacturer is switching to NACS (or already has)
Seems pretty on point as a 23 MYLR owner. Really hate the thing and regret not going with the Ioniq 5 despite its flaws. Only reason Tesla got so popular is the braindead fanboys lied about the quality of the car and convinced the average folk Tesla makes products worth buying. If I didn't buy my Y when Tesla was price gouging I would have dumped it after the first year of ownership. Instead I am stuck with it because it doesn't make financial sense to get rid of it...
Or you know, not everyone centers their identity and passions around the mode of personal transportation they use, let alone a particular brand of transportation appliance.
Those in this sub have their mind (not minds; mind singular) made up
simply wrong with mass production
Hmmm. I just got a test ride in my coworkers Y the other night and other than the passenger seat feeling a little stiff and hurting my upper back, I thought it was a damn fine ride. But I know one 45 minute drive isn’t enough to really get an accurate representation
Woooooot wooooooot!
But they are excelling at Nazi revitalization… so? 😬
Then their CEO who was an opportunist, went from left to third reich and is killing them. Why we sold our MY and went with Rivian, Elon is insane and will be a Bond villain in no time at all.
No not really. There is still only one company that is going to have real FSD and until they sell the cars with the nacs plug, it is a royal pain in the ass to charge at a supercharger so they still have a shitty charging network. And OEM move at the pace of smell at everything they do. The reason the US lags behind is our government won't commit to anything since it is bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry. Even now, the supreme leader is personally attacking renewables to make sure even when it is financially cheaper to install large wind and solar, he is blocking them from doing it. It's screwing the American people and he doesn't care. Energy independence would be the best thing for all of us but we'll continue to prop up other industries to keep if from happening. It's lining their pockets and that's all they care about. But this is what 50% of the US wanted so enjoy.
Other than they are the only one that will have realistic Full self driving. The rest are running a 2017 version of Tesla enhanced auto pilot. Every day i let my car drive me to and from work on my 20 trek without issues. The people who do not think this is a big deal are the same ones who said they didn't need a smart phone.
I take it you mean Waymo Since Tesla doesn't have anything resembling autonomous driving.
No I mean Tesla. No other car can drive address to address anywhere in the US. Sure it's supervised still at the moment but it is very close. Everyone else call do what Tesla was doing back in 2017, drive on the interstate. That is nothing compared to address to address. You should ride in a current Tesla or watch some YouTube videos. I use it 40 miles everyday
Musk is to Tesla as Trump is to half of this country. Musk has been able to convince a lot of people that his way is the best way. And somehow it continues. He has a band of twitter posters who non stop brag on Tesla.
Tesla is years behind Waymo in this technology and they will never get there as long as they are using a camera only system. Companies like VW and Rivian which are using Waymo's approach will get there before Tesla. The R2 will have Tesla FSD beat hands down when it releases early next year.
I love this: > Tesla’s hallmark monolithic center screen **constantly demands attention away from the road**. Simply checking speed in the upper left corner was annoying, but how adjusting the air temperature or media settings need long glances and precise taps makes focused driving harder. This setup proves why people want real buttons back acknowledging that big-screen-centric-design is bad, **for everyone around you**.
US auto is shit precisely because past protectionism
I don't think they are. The ones exporting to the US have to put in your nonstandard Tesla compatible weirdness.
I must be having a hard time remembering this, because I don't remember these kinds of reviews being that common, even just a year ago. In fact, it was all about how Teslas were the cutting edge of the universe, just one step below God...
Found the Nazi.
Finally someone that hates the handles as much as I do lol. They are so stupid. I hate other manufacturers are following the trend.
In the US maybe. In Europe Tesla is one brand among many for a long time. We never had the craze in the first place. And as I said before not the need for the Supercharger Network. I would not even know where a Supercharger is in my City. But I know for sure that the next Fast Charger is around 800 Meters from my Home. And AC Chargers can be found everywhere around the neighbourhood.
Partly true, the other half of the story is that their corporate technology secrets were hacked by people in China. They were gutted at the same time the competitive landscape changed dramatically. They could have dealt with one or the other, not both.
I've seen exactly one supercharger. That was in Hannover. I'm not actively looking for them, but they do stand out so they're easy to recognize.
For years the most common trade in buying a Tesla was an old Toyota or Honda sedan. Which explains why Tesla owners were insufferable about how good of a car they were and compared to BMWs. They'd never owned or driven a BMW (they couldn't afford one) so in their mind BMW was clearly slightly better than their used Toyota or Honda they had before, not leaps and bounds better.
Funny thing though, "the left" happened to be nearly all of the people buying his cars. That's why sales fell off a cliff afterwards.
If we want to get really accurate, European emissions regulations is what did it. That's why the Leaf was released in 2010, before Tesla even had released the low volume Model S.
And its noticably worse with Tesla's because EVERY function is on the screen, leading to things being buried in menus that take longer to navigate. Other OEMs have a mixture with common items like climate control remaining physical buttons. Because Teslas are 100% screen driven, the buttons may move month to month as the software is updated.
They laughed and mocked the iphone internally.... this coming from someone who was there.
Well to be fair, phone connectivity is also for navigation which does get used. And its more because most car software sucks and it's a pain entering in addresses or what not and being stuck paying $100 to the dealer to update maps so the store built 8 years ago finally shows up etc. But yea it tracks with the actual reason most people buy cars. (Id put comfortable seating as something people care about.) Its for dragging you, your stuff, and your family, 5 miles down the highway to school then, 10 miles down the highway to work, and back again. Most of it stuck in traffic. If you think about it instead as transportation, which it is, like say booking a Uber or plane ticket to get you from a to b, youre going to be looking at seat comfort and infotainment too.
Tell that to the thousands of people Trump let him fire for no reason at all. Losing your job is not a trivial thing, especially in this job market and a housing market where costs are prohibitively high. My son is 25 with a full time job and my DIL is building a business and they can’t afford even the most modest apartment. They live with my ex husband. If he loses his job they will have no health insurance, too. No doubt some people Elon fired have lost their homes or been forced into small apartment and maybe can’t even put enough food on the table. Especially since Elon’s buddy Trump is cutting off aid to food pantries and school lunches. These people are evil, and no net positive to citizens.
So, that doesn’t change what I said. I literally agreed with the other poster, just that it wasn’t the only thing that was happening at that time. You SHOULD be aware of that if you were an insider.
I'm assuming this guy is exaggerating for click bait. Anyone who has looked to buy an EV before 2024 knows exactly why it's so popular. The competition is just beginning to show up. The Motortrend top pick EVs 1. The Mach-E, which didn't have a heat pump until the 2025 model year 2. Has the ICCU time bomb that still exists after 4 years and several "fixes" including a model refresh 3. Ditto. 4. The Model Y 5. Didn't exist before 2024 - compelling if you want a cheaper new EV in a rapidly devaluing market (rather than a used EV) and are willing to take the risk of a new model in a market where new models seem to have significant reliability issues (see Chevy's previous mainstream EV and top picks 1 and 2 and 3 and 4). 6. is only a compelling option if your car has to be a Toyota. The criticisms are real though. FSD will absolutely try to kill you sometimes, the auto wipers are a joke, the turn signal is oddly unresponsive and takes getting used to, the ride is harsh for a luxury car and unexciting for a sports car (but that's the identity of the car, it's a compromise between SUV, sports, and luxury - I think the Juniper decided to go more luxury and less sports which seems to be the right choice), the materials are an exercise in what you can get away with and still be considered luxury, phone key doesn't work if it's in your back pocket, you have to learn a new UI, and the handles suck to find in the dark. I've been waiting for competition to show up, but there's still a long way to go. I'm excited to see where EVs are in a decade (assuming the world still exists).
Infotainment situation is hostile to consumers, the used EV market is finally becoming a viable option for budget minded buyers. Chevy did a terrible job keeping its promises to those who were interested early on, and GM was so concerned with the Bolt cannibalizing Equinox sales that they ostracized their happy customers and had no EV offering for years. Also [https://electrek.co/2025/06/10/chevy-equinox-ev-selling-like-hotcakes/](https://electrek.co/2025/06/10/chevy-equinox-ev-selling-like-hotcakes/)
I'm not sure about the hacking though. I remember at some point Tesla was offering their patents for free use. It was when we all thought Elon was a savior or something.
We’re talking blackberry, not tesla
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