Is Our Tesla Model Y's Full Self-Driving Tech Really Worth $8,000?

no

Agree

The TLDR ... no!

The Long Answer - "Noooooooooooooo."

Trade your tesla back in and tesla will let you know how much FSD is worth.

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>Is that worth $8,000, though? As it is now, no. I'm cool with Autopilot. But I could change my mind in the future if Full Self-Driving becomes Unsupervised, meaning Tesla no longer requires the driver to be paying attention. That would be good, but I also would want to be confident that I could trust the car to drive correctly 100% of the time.

Lol, no.

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There are cheaper ways to risk your life

It would be like me paying $8000 for a hitman to do magic tricks for entertainment but every few minutes he randomly tries to kill me.

You've been Musk'ed

I don't really have much interest in self driving to begin with, driving isn't that hard.  The only use case for me is doing a brewery tour and not having to worry about a DD Edit: added "about"

Nope

You can only get killed so many times. Paying 8k for it? Not this time.

Nyet

$8K for a system that needs just as much focus as regular driving? What's the point? "Along with many of my co-workers, I find the need to constantly monitor FSD's actions — and be ready at a moment's notice to take control should it deactivate or do something potentially accident-causing — to be just as concentration-intensive as regular driving on my own. Our Model Y's FSD can also do odd things to make it hard to trust..."

In Canada it $11,000 plus 13% HST a sales tax can we say big ouchie!

The problem is that the tech stack that they use to inform the FSD system is woefully inadequate (eg. no lidar, optical-only). Until they upgrade the system to top-of-the-line, best-in-class like Waymo they will probably never be able to implement unsupervised FSD on a Tesla.

Yes. With caveats. It will try to kill you. Will also get you around town in areas you are not familiar with. Will navigate but execution needs your attention not to die.

The entire car isn’t even worth $8000 lol

I don’t believe there is a single place in the U.S. or Canada were you could legally use self driving as a DD, fwiw.

Imagine paying to be Beta tester for a feature that might kill you.

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No

why is it called full self driving when it is not

Owner here, hell no. Even the assisted driving has tried to kill me on multiple occasions, total shit. Fuck Elmo and his lies, FSD is shit.

Nope

Nope

No

$8,000 for something that's essentially cruise control and lane assist, which doesn't work when it's raining, or it's dark, or when there are shadows on the road. And would absolutely kill you if it was left to it's own devices, despite the (illegal) name 'full self-driving'. No thanks. Most other car manufacturers have the same thing, and it's free.

It's worth $0.00

>no lidar, optical-only And if any of you haven't seen the video that compares these two options you really should. The Tesla FSD ran through a painted wall because it thought it was a road.

I got it for $3,000 in 2018 and still had to think about it for a long time. By the start of 2019 I realized Elon's words did not match reality. I got it for driving in stop and go traffic on interstate traffic jams and it has always been decent for that. But for driving I recall the slamming on the brakes at bridges/overpasses due to the radar or willing to run into the back of a stopped vehicle. Oddly it did keep me out of a wreck once but it must have been a fluke. I started with HW2.5 and now have HW3 and await AI5 or whatever. lol

Nein.

Lol

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Hm no? “Self-driving” tech already exists, it’s called “taxi” and costs a fraction of the price.

LMAO no but say this in one of their subs and see how emotional they get

And more fun

Canada is trying to save you from yourself :-)

>no For $500 less than that ($8k) I bought a Los Angeles lawyer's exquisitely maintained Lexus LS 430 with 125,000 mi on the clock. It might be the best sedan ever produced. Let that's sink in.

Not yet.

Tesla has much confidence in their FSD Here's a quote from the Model Y's online owner's manual: "Full Self-Driving (Supervised) is a hands-on feature that requires you to pay attention to the road at all times. Keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times, be mindful of road conditions and surrounding traffic, pay attention to pedestrians and cyclists, and always be prepared to take immediate action (especially around blind corners, crossing intersections, and in narrow driving situations). Failure to follow these instructions could cause damage, serious injury or death. It is your responsibility to familiarize yourself with the limitations of Full Self-Driving (Supervised) and the situations in which it may not work as expected."

That or the government has a tax dependence addition that it needs rehab for lol.

Hell he sold the vaporware for 15000 to start with...

I had a 2019 model 3. At the time of purchase, I bought fsd and included it in the financing. The car was totalled through no fault of my own in 2023. Fsd was non transferable. That money was largely wasted. Is it worth the purchase? No. Is it worth the subscription? Depending on the distance, it might be.

Tesla insurance valued it at approximately $1500 when my car was totaled.

Short answer is No. The long answer is, subscribe to FSD as needed.

Betteridge's law of headlines!

That’s just a figure of speech…

FSD is freaking awesome but $8k is so much freaking money for software. Maybe if it was like $3k-$4k i would consider buying it.

Wasn't it 15000 at one time? It's worth nothing unless you like a silly tech demo.

Price of a second car.

$8000…with a $7500 EV Credit…that’s $15,000 towards another EV.

You can do FSD subscription for $100/month and see if that's worth it. My personal opinion is that HW4 is still not enough for true FSD.

I test drove one recently. It was ok, but would I spend $8k on it? No.

That's a feature of speech...

Totally. Buy 3 for the same car.

If you have to ask, you know the answer.

>Along with many of my co-workers, I find the need to constantly monitor FSD's actions — and be ready at a moment's notice to take control should it deactivate or do something potentially accident-causing — to be just as concentration-intensive as regular driving on my own.

have a great day

No shit? That’s insane. Every thing they do to people pisses me off more… sorry that happened.

Nah

Nope

My $400 robot vacuum WITH LIDAR has never driven itself down the stairs. It even notes the drop off on the map.

and that they've lied about to regulators etc etc - class action waiting to happen

Sounds stressful

It's majority no's, but with the juniper, I think FSD is very good.

It’d be worth over $200m if it worked, apparently: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/tesla-ordered-by-florida-jury-pay-243-million-fatal-autopilot-crash-2025-08-01/

To be fair, the road runner went straight through. It looked like a tunnel man.

Lol tsla

If they want to risk their own life, I'm fine with it, but they're risking other peoples lives when they use it in traffic.

To be fair, is there a car manufacturer that won’t piss people off? I’ve personally had VW, Nissan and Toyota and varying levels of issues with the companies.

I have had poor quality issues with my first car. - Hyundai that was prior used... But generally speaking I have not had issues beyond mechanical reliability and dealer shenanigans with any other car companies. These are expected from a product such as a car.. But false advertisement safety risk fake charges promises... Along with the usual service and reliability issues.. that's unique to Tesla. The closest I can think of is VW diesel gate but that was more with defrauding the govt or regulatory agencies versus the customers.

Hello. Dumb ass me paid $12,000 for beta back in 2022 when there wasn't even a tax credit. The entire price together with FSD was $74,000. And guess what HW3 won't do what HW4 does and now they're talking about HW5. And I just read today that the Trump administration, in addition to doing away with the $7,500 tax credit, are unwinding rules that allow EVs to use HOV lanes when only occupied by the driver.

The lawyers, engineers and management must live in fear of musk musking things up. Bet that was a fun meeting to get that cya statement into the manual.

If you have the money to spare(waste). Yes. But me personally only use it on long trips with the subscription.

Definitely not now but that is definitely an use case sitting right there

Works a great deal of the time. Pretty easy to get a video of a successful FSD trip. It is those couple dozen times a year it tries to kill you.

FSD actually had negative value because it’s a massive risk to use it. But so nice to see the author still believes in Elmo’s 10+ years of lies about autonomous driving.

Can it parallel park itself?

I give it about tree fiddy.

Worth it in my book.

It's not worth putting your life at risk for full stop Hun, really hope you can get a decent car 🥰

This. FSD is great under certain circumstances. You just have to know which ones and always be ready for it to lose its brains.

Interesting analogy ... and very apt. I like it!

No

And somehow other car manufacturers manage to make this setup work better than Tesla. Given they put more and higher resolution cameras on their cars.

Probably not the forum to ask. Look up YouTube reviews that get into depth on the self driving stuff. Not talk about it but actually drive the cars and demo it. Problem is the Musk fanboys act like Tesla’s self driving is the best has ever and will ever be, forums like this will crap on it automatically and in reality the truth is somewhere in between and where it lands may be enough to decides it not worth $8k.

That could have been the information supplied to the buyers of the first automobiles ever made, some hundred years ago, and it about sounds correct.

Hell No!!! Only a fool with too more money then sense would part $8,000 for FSD (Supervised) in my opinion.

I bought the car used with FSD and that was in line with what the used market priced FSD at. In the end the car was valued slightly more than I paid for it 8 months prior so I have no complaints.

No, especially if you paid and it kills you..

WORKING (unsupervised) FSD I would indeed pay $8k for. But when you get autopilot for free the current offering is just not worth it.

Absolutely not.

You can get your money back via arbitration. I don’t understand why more people aren’t forcing Tesla to give them their money back. You paid for FSD. Tesla promised unsupervised driving years ago but they are still very far away and your HW3 car will never get it. That is fraud. It’s an easy case, you are not the first. There are many who were successful

Nope

Unless you catch his attempt at killing you and call it out, then he continues with his magic tricks like nothing happened. Keeps you on your toes.

It's 100% worthless if you need your hands on the wheel at all times, worse than useless. Being in a limbo state of not really driving the car but constantly monitoring the computer driving the car is the worst of all worlds. What don't people get about this.

It will never become unsupervised so you can forget that day dream.

Definitely won't be able, since L3 L3-certified systems require redundant systems. Tesla has none, if you take the driver out of the equation. ;)

Probably not. One can (almost) get a complete L2-compliant car for this price in Asia. ;)

I think get the $100/month when you need it. I get it when I'm going on a road trip. Really helps take the edge off. If you are commuting significantly a day for work or something, i still think the month to month is a better option.

No the cameras are cheap, and the FSD computer probably cost no less than $2000.

But then what happens? I get my money and lose all adaptive cruise functions?

It's worth $99/month in the summer

For most people it wouldn't be worth that even if it worked the way Elmo keeps promising.

> i imagine it isnt for your average s/x driver either. Maybe, but those are the small volume sellers @ Tesla. > i know there's a ton of anti-tesla in here, but for a lot of people, the "cool factor" is worth $8,000 "A lot" is doing some heavy lifting here. I think "some" or "a few" would be more appropriate. If it worked the way Elmo claimed, maybe. >personally, i would get FSD even it wasn't "amazing", because it is genuinely impressive. You'll be one of those people that have their car ram into something and then talk about how you still love it. Waymo is genuinely impressive, FSD is a parlor trick where the magician is waving their other hand frantically to keep you from noticing what they're doing isn't magic, but just slight of hand.

How much do they give you for FSD when you trade it in? It’s worth that much.

What is stopping other companies from putting their software into Tesla’s hardware? Elon is suing Apple because his Grok isn’t installed on every iPhone.

Iol[okl

Wasn't it debunked that Mark Rober was using Autopilot instead of FSD?

in a word, no.

Not any time soon.

Was it? If you have that info please share.

How much does Roadrunner mode cost in a Tesla?

No

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2025/03/17/youtuber-mark-rober-tests-cameras-vs-lidar-and-gets-it-wrong/

>The Model Y failed the test, **despite it having FSD engaged.** The driver made multiple attempts but every time he had to slam on the brakes manually because the car did not detect the wall. Compared to Mark Rober’s video, where the painted wall was freestanding, the fake wall in Kyle Paul’s video was supported by a truck, so going through it would have totaled the Tesla. https://insideevs.com/news/754362/tesla-fsd-fake-wall-test-2/

No

It is not self-driving. It's glorified cruise control

Echo… echo… echo…..

I'm saving that comment. It so perfectly describes my Tesla FSD road Trip. "Wow, the car decided to get into the right hand turn lane all by itself and waited for the light to change! Holy shit, the car just came to a complete stop in-front of a patch of fresh asphalt on a 50mph road in heavy traffic! Neat, the car went from 50mph to 25mph for this school zone! Did it just kick control back to me as it crossed into the breakdown lane around this hard curve, almost killing me!?"

Stupid is as stupid does. Coming to a theater near you more increases future improvement costs

Love my Mazdas. Love love love.

500.00 tops

No but 2k-5k would make sense -  it does a really good job on highways. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’d technically be able to do level 3 or 4 on interstates in a year or two . City streets is a whole different thing - that’s where paying more would be warranted IF it ever gets to L4.

Definitely yes. Once it’s approved by one state they cost will rise.

You’ve already paid for it when you bought the car. The $8k is for accessing it.

Of course it is. Not for you though, but the guy your car drives over will get a good payment from the lawsuit.

But being called a traitor every day on the road, priceless

It is $100 a month to subscribe. That is 80 months prepaid. Almost 7 years.

Unless you are in a waymo area

Doesn’t the Waymo ultimately have a remote human driver to take over in an emergency? I don’t see the U.S. ever sanctioning drunks using self driving in their own vehicles. We make way too much money prosecuting DD.

No

Nope. Good Chinese tech is free. You are just funding Musks $B bonuses

[you sure about that?](https://philkoopman.substack.com/p/all-robotaxis-have-remote-drivers)

Yeah. Maybe you should read that article. Especially the remote driver vs remote assistance section.

I see you work in P.R., nice.

NO.

If it was account bound sure. But car bound? And non transferable to a new owner? No

The problem with easy to hate companies like Tesla is that people forget that no company is your friend.

Dieselgate wasn’t just “defrauding the government”, faking emissions tests means poisoning people and lying about it.

Actually you are right. Still less in your face. But you have a point for sure.