It Looks Like the Tesla Model Y Refresh Has Bombed

The high-selling Model Y is crucial for both Elon Musk and Tesla, but a half-hearted reskin of the car hasn’t reversed the company’s sales woes. Would a complete overhaul have been a better bet? Read the full article: [https://www.wired.com/story/it-looks-like-the-tesla-model-y-refresh-has-bombed/](https://www.wired.com/story/it-looks-like-the-tesla-model-y-refresh-has-bombed/)

Well, maybe they shouldn't have made it ugly... I was not a fan of the old model, but the new one looks somewhat worse...

Tesla is done. They won't even around in 5 years.

If by overhaul you mean a new CEO that didn’t actively support hamstringing EV related government subsidies, then yes.

It boggles the mind that Elon thinks a few cosmetic changes constitutes a refresh. Tesla could have at least made a major change to the exterior design. Hell, even offering a some more paint color options would be welcomed.

Nah the energy section will keep them going. The supercharger system they already have set up will be like gas stations and oil pumps at the same time. Those will continue to provide income until they need replacement.  Not enough to justify the present stock price, but enough to keep Tesla around.

Rightttt

Unfortunately it is uglier and more "cybertruck-ish" which doesn't do it any favors. The highland 3 facelift looks much better in comparison. Also, no meaningful powertrain updates + the elon of it all.

So, let me guess, Tesla meme stock has gone up

Last line of the article - Model Y is Model Yesterday. 😂😂😂

But the Tesla cult members told me the reason the old Y was slumping was that the refresh was around the corner?

Such an uninformed comment. Didn’t you see the Tesla diner? They’re about to revolutionize the hot dog seller market.

I genuinely can’t tell the difference between one from a decade ago and one from today. In fact, I can barely tell the difference between the models of *any* given year. They look like they are stuck in maybe… 2017?

you are just jealous you can't afford one 🤣🤣🤣

If Elon didn’t go for the CT route, and went with more with what Slate is doing, with an affordable EV pickup, with accessory upgrades. They’d be making a killing off of those.

"Let's take design references from one of the biggest designs failures ever produced, the Cybertruck."

Found a cult member

I am still laughing about that place. Took about as long to build as the Roadster 2.

Don’t forget the nazi love too

I can, I just chose the better ***car*** despite sticker on my Mach-e being higher than a 3/Y. Unfortunately this means I don’t have issues with panel gaps, warranty repair battles, ghost braking, paying for features I’ll never get to use, etc. which frequently reminds me that I chose to miss out on the Tesla ownership experience.

Such long hot dogs they have there, or extremely short buns. Idk the hot dog picture just wasn't very proportional.

I honestly have to agree here. In the car selling space it’s a disaster but their basically the gold standard for chargers in terms of reliability, have by far the largest network in the US, and every EV manufacturer that sells cars in the US is switching to their own NACS charging plug, largely to be able to use their chargers. I doubt that’s going anywhere anytime soon, unless the company gets desperate for cash and has to sell the network to a competitor

A perfect blend of bland and boring

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This article is pretty much garbage, no actual numbers just hearsay. No wonder Tesla shorters lose so much money if this is the kind of tripe they use to direct their investing decisions.

Anything Musk associated is going to be unpopular

Didnt Musk fire off all the supercharger team, which also meant project were cancelled and contractors not being paid.

Imagine being that stupid.

I am not a fan of Tesla but the model 3 refresh looks pretty good. The Y, on the other hand, is an absolute abomination that reminds me of the cyberturd. With Elon’s behaviour, the EV credits gone and the clean credits they were getting from other manufacturers evaporated, tough times are ahead for Tesla.

Yes. Let's not forget the repeated Nazi Salutes.

And the hot dogs make themselves. The chef is only there for legal reasons.

For some reason, my initial one-word descriptive impression of the “refreshed” model y is: thermostat.

Outside of North America that’s not the case. The charging network in Europe is excellent and Tesla could disappear here with no real loss to the EV driver.

Well this isnt a new gen model y, every car maker makes mid life cycle updates like this. A few visual changes, 1 or 2 new features, thats it

Looks like a cup of water. Very bland, probably looks that way due to restrictions with the gigantic press and keeping cost down. Tesla car interiors are the worst I ever seen. You pay all that money for something with no style which looks like a prison cell.

Exactly it’s not the redesign. It’s was just overshadowed by a white rightwing sympathizer, writing unhinged conspiracy theories on twitter, supporting a wanna be dictator and openly supporting white wing party’s in Europe. Who would have thought people hate nazis? But he will not resign and he will bring down Tesla with him.

Sure, outside of the US that’s the case. But inside the US it’s not. I don’t support Tesla but them leaving the North American charging market altogether would be like a company twice the size of Ionity shutting down, they’ve got over 27,000 stalls here and for better or for worse are easily the largest fast charging network in the country, and in a not insignificant number of cases their the only good option. It’s a lot harder to just sell that off or shut it down

Right? I feel the same, the old one looked like a frog but the new one is plain ugly and the rear looks like Walter White’s car.

The tesla marketing model and car lineup was completely fine, until elon killed all the goodwill the brand had with his stupid antics and meddling in politics.

They just won't be a car company any longer. Which they already claim they aren't. We'll see how they fare without their core business.

It’s a T Ford. The fact that you get it in more options than black is crazy!

Hot dog market disruption. Revolutionary thinking.

AOL is also still around, so is Yahoo...

Not a surprise. The car brings nothing noteworthy new for the customer. Wheres parking sensors, longer range, heads-up display, ventilated/massage seats. Just to mention a few things. Companies who dont innovate dies fast. Ontop of this the new look looks ugly incomparison to the old look imho. Tesla has had many years to continue bring new features to the car but Elon has been busy playing politician, moving the company to Texas because of yet again politics.

Tesla is a software company, remember.

If you cant tell the difference between the prefacelift and the postfacelift, you need to get your eyes checked. It looks worse imo, bug clearly quite different

The old one just looked like a vertically stretched Model 3, the new one looks like the new one looks like they wanted to make it look like a blend of robocop and a cybertruck The old one was more of a wife car, now i don’t know who would want it

They just look dated now

Nazis I guess.

They dont make any money on charging, quite the opposite.

There is no money in charging.

Ok. Hardly enough of a business to sustain a trillion dollar market cap. Very much a niche business.Car chargers in one country (maybe two if Canada doesn’t object to spending money at an American charging business). The comment I replied to simply stated that nobody can compete with Tesla’s charging business. That’s not true. In Europe there are many worthy competitors.

Actually… For all the bad Nazi’s did, one thing that was important to hitler was style, they’d rather have designer uniforms than uniforms that could protect them in a firefight…

The car isn't the issue. Check out Engineering Explained's recent Tesla video. Jason loves his car; he hates the deep, negative impact Elon has wrought on the US.

Tesla is not a car company. It's a fast food company, with robotservers instead of underpaid students

The Mach-E is less politically charged, for sure. Nobody thinks it's better, objectively.

Weird question, what actual software has Tesla company made that isn't either associated with another Elon brand, or the cars

They would be need to overhaul the highest level of management...

I’m actually surprised at home many I’ve seen on Long Island. Like you still bought it despite how ugly it is and what Elon has done? Weird.

Simple mid-cycle refreshes usually occur in the first couple years. After 5 years on the market most other auto makers are looking forward toward releasing the next generation.

I would argue that they did make a major change to the exterior design, especially since this is just a refresh not an all new car. It just wasn’t a good change.

Something about it makes it look a lot more like the Chinese EV's that're flooding the European market at the moment. Look at the Xpeng G6 (yes, that's a real car name), it feels like this new tesla and that car are both knock-offs of each other, and they both look ugly as a result.

Well yes, but that hits on another one of Tesla’s issues- they let their cars sit on the vine and die without an all new replacement (see S and X, the Model 3 is also getting up there in age). Doesn’t change the fact though that this is just a refresh and not a brand new Y. Tesla will of course say they don’t need to replace them because remember Tesla iS nOt A cAR CoMpaNy.

I do, it looks a hell of a lot nicer.

You show some god damn respect for the aztek. That car held the distinction of being the ugliest car ever created for OVER TWO DECADES until the cybertruck came out.

I'm not sure that Leon knows, either. He's the one who said it.

Long Island is the Staten Island of the suburbs.

*This is testing the patience of even the most gung-ho of Tesla’s perma-bulls. Wedbush Securities tech analyst Dan Ives wrote a cautionary post on X in early July, urging Tesla to stop Musk’s roving political eye with a fatter salary.* Yeah, cause he's so strapped for cash, that'll definitely fix the fact he's a racist piece of shit. Why don't we just fast forward to the inevitable conclusion where the entire world just gives all our money to Elon?

The car lineup was designed by the original founders not elon, The only vehicle elon was hands on from start to finish was the CT. The founder of lucid originally designed the roadster, 3, and Y. Remember elon bought the title of founder.

Is this sarcasm? They are the fastest depreciating cars globally losing on average 55% of their value after 2 years.

Makes sense that Elmo took the front of the Cybertruck and the back of the Aztec to create this really ugly and consequentially bad selling thing. It’s like a minus times minus equals plus thing but he didn’t get that doesn’t apply to sums.

But he is smart enough to leave his echoes Chamber and come to see what normal people talking about . Or maybe he is lost ...

The new one looked bad enough that I guessed that it was a third rate Tesla copy before I walked around it. A shitty copy of a copy of a mid brand.

It’s not a good looking car. And it looks cheap.

Dude they're available with 0 down 0 percent for 60 months. They are not expensive vehicles.

Model Ys aren’t even that expensive by today’s average car prices. It’s average

They are a trillion dollar company. On the supercharger network alone they are at absolute best a $10B company. There's no good way for them to *only* lose 99% of their value. Too much vertical integration. They will collapse under their own weight long before that.

He hired them all back. Probably wasted 6 months and tens of millions of dollars too

That’s not accurate. The company was founded in July 2003. Musk joined to lead their first funding round in Feb 2004. That’s soon enough to negotiate a founder title. But he’s a piece of shit for pushing the original team out.

The new model Y looks cheap, bland, and clumsy from the front end. Honestly, every time I see one I do an internal, "ew"

The redesign appears to be a play for the Chinese market and young, male Americans (and possibly young, male Japanese). The look shares some similarities with vehicles from Xpeng or Maxus, but primairily influenced by anime meets nihilistic retrofuturism. There's a lot of problems with this strategy. First, exterior aesthetics weren't the reason Tesla was losing maketshare in China, so an exterior overhaul wasn't going to help there. Second, the previous design had a rather broad appeal--a feminine one, as you said. I would challenge the idea that it was a wife car, and say that the design had an appeal to a broader scope of women. American women are a fairly large market, but not one that Elon deems "cool". He has always wanted to be the king of the young, male, American, techno-bro crowd. This redesign pulls elements from media that is popular with that group in a bid for their attention. While creating a vehicle for a niche audience can make money, taking a vehicle that is supposed to have broad, mass-market appeal and redesigning it for a niche audience is stupidity. Finally, of course, no one who wants to distance themselves from Trump-bro Elon would buy after the redesign, since it becomes obvious that you bought it after he showed his true colors.

Yeah perhaps pissing off the largest demographic buying EVs might have been a dumb choice.

And also they shouldn’t have alienated their entire customer base

Oddly enough I actually like the look of the refresh better, especially when seeing them in person versus photos. If the company was ran by someone normal and not affiliated with a Nazi and a pedophile, I would have been a model Y owner no doubt. Instead I went with an ICE car when purchasing new this year and will wait to switch to electric in the next 10 years when hopefully other competitors have better offerings similar to Tesla, but without the horrible quality issues and association.

Consumers rejected the Cybertruck? Let’s double down and Cybertruckify every model, that’ll show ‘em! It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.

The service center near me has no new Model Ys on the lot. There's one parked at the charger station but I think that's their demo and I've seen maybe two on the roads around Atlanta.

They managed to make a strange looking car somewhat more unattractive, something that sucking up to fascists could not overcome. The stock will go up anyway.

It lacks soul like elongated dude

Hey man the Cybertruck looks like it’s stuck in 1917.

I guess a bigger problem is they haven’t released a gen 2 of any vehicle ever, despite being well over a decade old.

I guess I am in the minority. From a looks standpoint, I quite like it. The problem is and continues to be the man at the top of the company. He's the one causing this sales slump, not the form factor of the Y.

Got them with that no /s Congratulations Civic, nicely done

Civic is a long time poster to this sub, check his comment history if you doubt

Actually you've been had by the no /s

At least the Nazi’s looked good. They wouldn’t be caught dead in a cheaply made red ball cap.

I actually super dislike the company now but im about to buy a y and i like it a lot.. test drove it yesterday. Tesla still gives you more for your money then the other evs do

Remember when people were like "sales are low cause people are waiting for the Y refresh"?

Owning the old model, the design of the new one wouldn't hold me back. Maybe I would miss the gear shifter, but my biggest gripe is actually the current state of Autopilot if you don't want or simply can't get FSD. It's way behind the competition.

I can easily afford one but I don’t want to be associated with the cult or the CEO

I still own my 2018 Model 3 (because I’m too cheap to get rid of a working car, despite my dislike of Musk) and it looks as good as any of the newer models when you clean it up. Why would I want to upgrade?

I ment in North America, im not denying that they’re beaten in Europe. Other networks in the US like Ionna are doing very well and could overtake them but for the time being there really is no competition—i have a (non Tesla) EV in the northeast US and while there’s a lot of good options; like the Rivian network and Electrify America to an extent, Tesla is by far the most reliable fast charging network. I avoid them whenever I can but they generally have way more stalls per location, their stalls put out more power, they’re more reliable, etc. There’s currently only 1 station in my area that supports my car but the one time I’ve used it, it was easily one of the best I’ve ever used purely because they actually put effort into maintaining sites which is something I unfortunately can’t say about a lot of other networks. Obviously they’re not sustaining their current market cap with this alone but it’s not something that could just close up easily. 27,000 chargers don’t just disappear, and simply selling that many to another company would be pretty difficult given it would instantly more than double the size of any new owners network and require a huge amount of work to integrate with a competitor. As it stands they don’t roam with a single other network, its not like Flo and ChargePoint for example where it would be relatively straightforward to combine them given their existing interoperability agreements

The Polestar 4 in comparison is a beautiful car

They've been very good at selling the idea of a mid-cycle refresh as a new car. It isn't, but the idea of using these stupid codenames for the refreshes seems to have been effective in convincing people that the upgrade is significant.

THIS! It's not about the exterior to me but the goddamn powertrain that's basically the same as the 2021 version. FFS, other EVs are doing a much better job improving charging times and range but Elmo it's more about his Robotaxi shit project.

True story

China got two new colors. Yeah, that's their largest market but FFS the US is their home market. Why make the US wait for new colors and new options? We're being treated like the stepchild.

Uglier than its predecessor. Does it readily burst into flames as well? No matter, now that the cult is regressing the energy policy back fifty years there’s no real point in buying an EV that has no reliable infrastructure to support recharging it. Another good idea mismanaged and destroyed by incompetent billionaires.

Completely subjective. Most people think it looks awful.

A gen 2 would mean they need to redesign and retool. That‘s expensive you know.….

What can they do, though? For aerodynamics, etc, it has to have some kind of jelly bean look - unless, of course, they improve their battery to increase range and charging speeds. After five years you'd think they would have accomplished that by now. Other manufacturers certainly have. The new Escalade EV gets over 500 miles, FFS. You can't tell me that Tesla can't get the Model Y to 400 miles by now. EDIT: Oh wait! The less range you have, the more times you have to stop and pay for Tesla charging.

A part of your comparison actually prophetic. The Model T was produced for 19 years without a redesign.

Never underestimate the power of a meme stock…. 43% of Tesla shareholders are retail investors, more than double the next, large cap company. It’s these blinkered retail investors who have pushed the stock price up, and are keeping it there.

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That’s why they all met at the Tesla diner, so they can drown their sorrows sucking back $18 Elon hotdogs

I thought the same way until I realized in an emergency, it can be very difficult to open Tesla doors from INSIDE the fucking car. These things are shit box death traps that are also built by a Nazi.

Is Robocop friends with Bladerunner?

I really like the older body style in spite of everything The new one is fugly

Does Elon even know that millions of people hope all his businesses fail?

To be fair, that's the definition for most of the industry. The difference of course is every other automaker does it every 2 years rather than 6-10 years like Tesla does for their vehicles.

But necessary. Looks at what GM is doing with their Bolt, first released in 2016 for the 2017 model year.

And it's what led to GM overtaking Ford in marketshare, that Ford never recovered from. Also, the funniest thing about that "any color you like as long as it's black" famous quote is that Ford didn't offer the Model T in black at the time.

Welp. Nailed it.

New one looks WAY worse. My wife's white 2021 with tint and performance package is sexy. This looks boring, and that's the death knell for a new car.

I understood that reference.

The Asstek

I appreciate Wired posting directly into this sub. Keep doing great journalism guys!

If anything, the Supercharger network will either be spun off prior to bankruptcy, or be bought during bankruptcy by one of the other major networks. Tesla itself will cease to exist.

it's easy, I just look at all you liberal snowflakes crying about losing your food stamps. anyhoo, I'm off to grab some cyberbreakfasts at the new Tesla Diner. soo long losers

😘

thats just an inflated cybertruck

Who cares how it looks? Elon revealing his true colors has absolutely ruined Tesla. Edit: spelling

My fiancée is picking hers up next weekend!! 👀🤔🤷🏽‍♂️

Yes, also fixing all the inevitable issues again with panel gaps, door handles, seals, leaking lights etc. They never seem to get it right on the first attempt.

I’m pretty sure that the chargers are a liability and cost more to maintain than they make. They were a loss leader to sell cars.

The 3 highland just got a refresh last year.

The 3 highland just got a refresh last year.

Lmao bro calm down, you ain’t buying a Ferrari. This car is a dime a dozen; they approve loans left and right for it.

I mean, it looks like a nicer, blown up Prius Prime....no thanks.

It’s almost like Elon isn’t some kind of brilliant strategist.

I'm conflicted, I don't know if I should vote you up or down. But fantastic work on the new folks here

U mean like Volkswagen. ?.

Yes 100%. There are a few companies that would salivate at the opportunity to buy the entire supercharger network at pennies on the dollar. Except that you'd also need to buy all the IP and factories for spare parts, which makes it a way less attractive proposition. It will certainly be a fascinating aspect of the inevitable chapter 11

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Does Volkswagen rely on a hidden manual release to open the doors? I honestly don't know, but if so, shame on those bastards, too.

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Hugo Boss would have designed a red Nazi hat that would be iconic.

Idk the facelifted model 3, is fine… They fixed my biggest issues with the old one, then they added some new, but it’s not as bad as before. Went from maybe 50/50 to 75/25

People don't like the brand.

Somewhat? No need to sugar coat it, it’s awfully plain and too linear. It should have looked more like the Model 3 refresh and it would’ve been exponentially better.

Cybertruck and the Juniper both get the finger when I see them.

I’ll replace my current Model 3 with a Polestar 4 in September…Ngl, I like the Model Y refresh but after 4 years I’m just ready for something different…going from the old 3 to even the new Y feels like driving the same car for another four years…

No. Elon has fucked the brand. Period.

I mean, BMW did it with the ugly oversized grills. When critics said it was ugly, BMW responded with, you're ugly, we're keeping it.

We have a hammer in our side door pocket, in case the emergency release doesn’t work. Build quality is shit.

It's not the refresh that bombed, it's that Elon is toxic and everything touches is toxic by extension. Who wants to fund that clown?

BMWs look like shit

thanks to the Fearless Leader, I guess there was a massive inlux of poeple who finally saw the light. it was about time for a walk down memory lane - could only be improved with jjlew taking the L

embracing the down votes, we shall! it's good to see that few things change.

And it never got better

They are changing that with the Neue Klasse design language

And then the designer left for Rolls Royce IIRC

It’s not the refresh, it’s the company and who the brand is associated with. I have 2 Teslas and was an early investor at $14. I would NEVER buy another Tesla at this point.

[https://www.cnet.com/culture/tesla-motors-founders-now-there-are-five/](https://www.cnet.com/culture/tesla-motors-founders-now-there-are-five/) for those that were curious like I was.

Well, the market has only been open for a few minutes, but yes. 333.04 USD+0.93 (0.28%) today (Jul 23, 10:53 AM EDT)

Is Musk still head of Tesla? Then nah.

The Aztek was kind of an actual functional beater though..

It looks cheap, like if a lower level car maker tried to make a futuristic car but based on what we thought futuristic looked like in the 80’s.

It’s what happens when engineers take over the design department.

Its easy to open the door from the front. Someone in the rear can usually crawl into the front in order to get out. You can also install a string into the emergency release to let someone out otherwise. Most cars allow parental locks that don't allow someone in the rear to get out without assistance, so it's not that abnormal.

Well maybe someone who shant be named did some fucking around and now he's finding out.

There's not much IP. The new NACS-compatible chargers use the CCS protocols everybody else already uses and have licenses for. The chargers themselves are designed and owned by Tesla, so any IP associated with those would come with the sale. After that, any contract manufacturer can make replacement parts. No need to get the factories and everything too.

That somehow looks even worse. And people hated on the Lexus Spindle Grill.

These justifications are *delusional.*

The illusion of fake luxury when everyone and their mamas have one. Tesler drivers think they drive an Sclass AMG

In fairness, the powertrain was pretty damn competitive in the US. The ride comfort, on the other hand, was pretty shocking. I think they changed what was most important for them to change.

I criticize the front-end design & placement of the headlights. Tesla obviously wanted to copy the CT (why???) with the light band across the front. The actual headlights are tiny & placed too low, again just like the CT. The MY headlights are going to be blocked by snow in winter and rendered useless.

Bland style. Always has been. But even bland gets boring.

I have been seeing these in the metro Seattle area, so their sales haven’t totally bombed.

I think y’all are tripping and being disingenuous regarding the design. It looks fine.

Investors are not founders, even if they become CEO.

Takes a special kind of stupid to squander such a head start in EVs.

Cool so the stock will rise again? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

We decided against buying a Tesla for the same reason. Test-drove one for a weekend though, to see what it was like compared to other EVs. Bought a 2025 Hyundai Kona Electric and are very happy with it. Much better build quality.

Concerning

How can I even read that article...

Nah there's a fair amount of IP. Tesla never released the patents on the supercharger connector cooling system, and their DC/DC power sharing concept is relatively novel. It's not actually industry leading but it's not something everyone is doing.

What refresh? looks the same to me. Worse is giving Elon money... I have many Tesla products, never again.

My EV cost more than your shitty Y did, its much nicer all around and I dont look like a loser driving around in a swasticar

What are you talking about. For every normal customer they lose, they’re gonna gain three MAGA customers. Didn’t you know that?

Why would I willingly set my money on fire?

I actually like it personally. But at the same time I’m glad I only see them rarely - even living in the Bay Area.

My guess is that the situation is that for most of its life Tesla has had a monopoly or close to a monopoly in the markets it entered. Now it is facing the full competitive attention of the world’s motor industry who are all well and truly seeing the writing on the wall. Unlike Tesla these companies are accustomed to intense and constant competition with each other.

They doubled down on Cyberturd and made the Y refresh use leftover parts for the front lightbar and the garbage truck flat rear.  They also tripled down using the Cyberturd font for the failed robotaxis.

Haha Sure. I know you’re being sarcastic. Many red states don’t even have any dealerships to buy them or EV infrastructure to charge them. So if you live in, say, Montana, you need to drive hours and hours to test drive a Tesla, and to have it repaired. And to be honest, I’m not sure the republicans even like Musk either, because he’s brawling with Trump.

I don’t mind the front all that much (I actually like the front running light design of the Cybertruck, the rest is trash) but I find the rear is terrible…mostly because of the relocation of the plate from the hatch to the bumper. Together with the straight instead of curved rear glass corners it makes the back look very slab sided. The license plate on the hatch below the lights (like pre refresh) is really needed to break that up.

Can I interest you in a Truckster, Mr. Griswald?

Aren’t teslas like the cheapest car now?

Its also really not… that much different?

Most people here don't keep track of who's a long time poster and who's a troll. I'm only here cuz Reddit recommended it, and I immediately downvoted him.

Can we get link for a non paywalled version of the article? Especially if you’d like us to read/discuss it here. Thanks!

The corner is still coming! Just wait!!

If you use RES for old.reddit it will keep a tally of your down/up vote interactions with each user. That's how I became familiar with 30 or so regulars here from the precovid days.

I think that's a browser extension right? I only browse Reddit on my phone.

Can. Wouldn't buy one to end my life.

Agreed looks like shit: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/BMW_Vision_Neue_Klasse_IAA_2023_1X7A0221.jpg

Hey man. If the cars on fire theres no rush to get out! Just calmly climb over the seats and exit!! Or jerry-rig the doors! Its that easy bro!!! /s

This can't be a serious reply...

Yeah. I looked that shit up. What were they thinking? Were they even thinking?

Mfw I have to conduct a pre-drive safety briefing god damn

Who wants to drive a swasticar?

The Mach-e is definitely the better overall package.

“People are literally waiting for the model q” “Tesla is an ai company!” Etc

People do not get it, there is nothing wrong with TESLA!!! They just need to get rid of ELON so he is not the face of the company!!!

I wouldn't buy a tesla for half price. Principles matter and I can't support elon.

have my down votes as a well done no /s

even my kid refuses to acknowledge the redesign as a tesla.

Except not.

Yes! Exactly. The car is fine. The sales slump is due to Elon’s actions. Only way to fix it is to get a new CEO.

Yep, hit it on the head

I bought a '22 MY and have over 60k miles. I screwed myself on the price since there was so much demand for Tesla's at the time. I actually waited 9 months for it. My wife mentioned that we could get a '25 MY for about what we are paying now. Yeah, I lost quite a bit of money but I absolutely refuse to give this organization a single cent more. I really like my car but the interior is pretty lacking. The one saving grace is the actual software, which is still superior to anything or there

Tesla diner alone will be a trillion dollar business earning tens of dollars.

I own 2 electric cars. A volvo and a rivian. Cost wasnt the reason i bought them. Build quality and not being owned by a nazi coward really factored into my choice!

I'm pretty sure it has more to do with the name than the design. It looks way better and is way better built.

They somehow made one of the ugliest cars ever made even uglier

Yeah? What's their market valuation these days?

The new models are everywhere in my city. I hate it.

I live in Orlando and I see the new model y all over the place.

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I drive a car which costs double a Y

No, it’s what happens when management forces design to follow the whims of their market research and bean counters demand the use of off the shelf parts further constraining design. If you look at the concept art it was actually bad ass.

I got a clearance MY the last week of 2023. $5000 off. I don't know if I have any issues with "panel gaps" since I haven't bothered to look. No warranty repairs yet, and the very serious ghost braking thing I saw in rental Model 3s in 2022-23 is now gone on the same roads in my MY. As for features I'm not using, I'm really not aware of any?? Well FSD, but I did pay $100 to use it when driving up to WA last month, and it was very worth it.

Good or bad it's hard to fucking succeed swimming upstream against Elon's shitty behavior.

I've owned my 2023 for 2.5 years now and it has ~75% of what I paid OTD ($40K). But I'm not trading it in so that's neither here nor there.

Model Y wasn't a big enough update. I'd never want one, but I have no problem with the Cybertruck - it's weird but tried some new things which is good to see. It would be fine as a prototype vehicle, and it's nowhere near what was promised and simply isn't capable enough for traditional truck owners.

According to Reddit Tesla is going out of business every week.

> Nobody thinks it's better, objectively. Really? You've polled the entire world? I'd say objectively, that Ford is unlikely to have terrible panel gaps, shitty paint, or parts completely unavailable for weeks or months.

I've seen a total of TWO here in Aotearoa New Zealand, and I had to look twice to be sure they weren't just another Chinese designed SUV that I wasn't aware of. They took the Model 3s unique design (inspired by a bar of soap), made it even uglier as an SUV, then made it look generic.

That's because they are catering to the Asian market so they are designing for that which means ugly obnoxious looking cars.

Wouldn't "most people think" be subjective?

The refresh looks like crap.

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concept art isn't generated by engineers

They used to look iconic, now they look like shitty Subarus... they used to remind me of skulls, the two intakes in the front being the nostrils of a skull and the lights being the eyes... wtf happened, whoever gave the go ahead in the new look needs a kick in the balls

FSD is just around the corner

It looks like if a car evolved after having a coke problem

I was sitting in traffic the other day wondering if those lightbars are being mass produced somewhere, as Hyundai and others use them too. I wonder if they're more efficient in overall lighting, low wattage, and easier than 2 lights. Random traffic ruminations...

I honestly wish that were true, meaning that many more ICE cars (and dirty exhaust and dripping fluids) off the roads.

The Mach-E is known for high voltage battery and contactor failures. That's a whole lot more important than panel gaps. It also suffers from lack of parts availability. There's plenty to legitimately shit on Tesla for, but it's properly stupid to pretend like Fords are perfect.

GM management is the reason the Aztek came out like it did, not design and not engineering. No amount of pedantic nonsense will change that.

Remove the Tesla logo and it could be any of the Chinese brands. Zero style or soul

You don't buy Teslas from dealerships; you buy from Tesla directly and they ship it to you. The things you see are test drive lots, maintenance dispatchers, and/or showrooms. And there are gaps, but the supercharger network does give you coast-to-coast coverage, not to mention charging at home. I got curious and Montana actually has decent coverage minus the northeastern portion, which I assume is down to population density. And you don't drive to them to get repairs; they drive to you. They save a ton of money not having to have garages and just having a fleet of mobile repair vehicles. That is unless of course it's serious structural damage to the car; then you're back to the hours long tow. The main things stopping red state residents from owning them are the environmentally friendly image, the costs, charge anxiety (even if it's mostly unwarranted), and a fundamental misunderstanding of the engineering involved with EVs and maintenance. These are people that thought Biden was singling out Musk for a conference on emissions standards after all. I can promise they don't like Musk, not just because he's having a fake half-fight with the admin, but because he's an immigrant (when you get right down to it, it doesn't matter how white-passing of an immigrant he is), he has the personality of a wet fart, and while he's just as stupid as they are, he can't check his ego long enough to hide it even from them.

The new one serves the useful purpose of identifying cult members, since who else would buy one?

Based on what study? Was it conducted in your ass?

Yeah but all Tesla cars are musk associated but some are considered extremely dumb by their own merit. People who are willing to buy Teslas are saying it is a bad refresh.

The rear is hideous at night. It looks like a stumpy helmet.

Do you understand what the term 'founder' means? How can you negotiate basic English definitions? Unless by negotiate you mean "paid a lot of money to the actual founder to not sue them when Musk lies blatantly".

Good.

I mean it is also the car. Even people willing to buy Teslas don't like it. And most Tesla owners hate the cyber truck.

You sure it's just millions? Wasn't he trying his best to offend all Indians?

There will be dozens of customers! Dozens!

The genius is astounding.

They are not exactly leaders in auto design, hyundai has more interesting looking cars. Tezler is stale.

FSD didn’t make it around the corner

All the corners are on the cyber truck.

Everyone is waiting for the new affordable model, which will be built even shittier than the 3 and Y and (if possible) even worse than the CT

I did nat see that coming

It’s a huge improvement. If Musk dies, dries up, and blows away, I might buy one in 10 years. That’s how long it will take for the stink to wear off.

The Model Y was the best selling EV in America and the 3rd in China last month alone. It was the number 8 best selling vehicle in general in the U.S. last month. These articles are pretty ridiculous and bias.

I really like the look of the refresh. This is all on Elon being a complete waste of skin. I feel bad for the thousands of Tesla and SpaceX workers, engineers etc that will feel the fallout of a piece of shit CEO

Who could have possibly forseen this!?

No way everyone whose previous experience with cars was Meemaws clapped 2006 KIA say it’s really great!

I do.

On select early 2021 ones. It’s 2025 you know. That’s how car companies work. Had mine fixed before it was an issue. Easy.

It made it to the side of big truck

To be fair, that’s standard practice for the whole Industry. I’m still waiting for push start to be standard for all cars

With the old one, you could pretend like you didn’t know about the CEO’s affinity for Nazi salutes. With the new one, you can’t.

Except now you can tell which Ys are “vintage” and which are openly endorsing Musk. I probably won’t replace mine with another Tesla, just because of Musk.

Polestar software is a disaster so it’s not a good ev option either. Seems like a lot of ice car companies are having a very hard time with the software side.

Stock up ten percent though right?

still a gen 1 car with nothing notably new, like every other Tesla

Wouldn’t have it any other way

The Juniper hasn’t bombed because of the styling. It’s because of Tesla’s CEO who had immersed himself in extremism.

Should have taken its design inspiration from the refreshed M3 instead of the trash can on wheels. It was only the best selling EV in the world…prob best not to fuck with it too much.

That's yesterday's hype, the new hype is the L version of the model Y which will somehow take the Chinese market by storm and not only make up for the lost market share but expand it...

Most of them in the wrong places

Wait, what could’ve happened? /s

Why did they put a picture of a Prius on the post?

Even Jim Farley would completely disagree with that.

The Aztek was also ugly in an endearing way. Like some sort of mutant pug.

Concept art also makes almost everything look badass. That's half of its job.

Unfortunately I've seen plenty here in Australia surprisingly.

Make four turns and you are back to start. This is teslas story. Keep moving the company and investors in circles telling the next big lie.

FSD has made it around so many corners that it has been going in circles for the past 10 years.

Say goood Night, TeSSla. Goodnight, TeSSla.

Should show your put positions

Poe’s Law strikes again.

You spelled “shit” wrong.

Somewhat? That back looks terrible and reminds me of a Prius. No offense to Prius owners…..

The new Y isn't exactly pretty, but it **is** an improvement on the old version. Not exactly a high bar, admittedly...

Osbourne effect incoming. Who in his sane mind will not only buy a Tesla from a fascist (and hasn't done so already) but will pay over $10k more instead of waiting will October to buy a "more affordable" Model Y?

Tesla's are the cheapest option for EVs where I live. Yet noone buys them cuz they are technologically outdated and everyone hates Elmo.

And I think Teslas look like Asphalt bubbles and I can't discern the difference between Model S, 3, X, Y. They all look equally soulless.

The interior of the new one is much nicer, but I much prefer the old styling of the exterior. If they just gave it the updated model 3 headlights it would be much sexier IMHO.

No different than an apple iPhone for the last 10 years but people still buy them in droves

The car looks like a beautified frog.

He said half the population by the end of the year last night. 😂

You non-Tesla guys keep confusing "next year" as a point in time! What? No! Your use of language is inadequate. Musk's brain works out of time and logic. If it was suddenly "next year" and true FSD and Robotaxis were actually available true Tesla dudes would have nothing to look forward to! FSD is the beauty of a dream you never wake up from! Do you hate dreaming? It's not a Model Y, it's Model WHY!

Just stop.

the fiat multipla wants a word.

the tesla powertrain is still unbeaten by other carmakers.

And the drooling Teslur cultists cheered, believing him 100%

A zillion robotaxi’s just around the corner.

I haven’t had the opportunity to test drive a new MY so I cannot compare, but… I don’t understand how the previous MY became the world’s best selling vehicle. It was horribly cheap and the ride was awful. I owned a 2020 MX and compared to it the ride was bone jarring harsh, a lot of road noise in the cabin, and the single display and plastic interior just felt cheap.

No joke. The Lucid Gravity charges better on Superchargers than any Tesla and the powertrain is way more impressive.

Elon good. Elon trendy. Elon saves world. Elon cars good. That was basically the sentiment of a lot of pretty fucking stupid people for a few years.

The difference is that BMW didn't decide to redesign their most successful car to look like their least successful car.

No, the owner that is a Nazi has bombed

Are we really comparing a 80-100k car to a 50-60k one ?

Yes we are.

Exactly. the Y is cheaper — cheaper seats, cheaper sound system, cheaper suspension. That’s why it’s $30K less. It’s not rocket science is it

Our Cadillac Lyriq is closer in price to a MY than an MX and in terms of build quality, materials, and ride quality, it is light years beyond even the MX. So “cheap” does not have to equal “cheap”.

Tesla can no longer rely on the cool and special factor anymore . EVs are normal now and Tesla hasn’t done a full redesign of any of there models. The model S just gets a new coat of paint but it’s still the same platform as it was in 2012. They just try and penny pinch instead of improving the product with meaningful changes that aren’t intended for short term content “wow” gimmicks

No. Just use the door handle. Just pull a little bit stronger.

Im holding off for the performance :-)

The back reminds me a bit of robocop

it hit the curb

Yes, because musk is a monster who doesn't deserve his wealth. He can take his cars and shove them where the sun don't shine (Mars maybe)

😅😅

"lidar? We don't need no steenking lidar" (They absolutely needed lidar)

True but that's all reflected In the price, right? If Tesla built a vehicle like Gravity or Air maybe they'd be back in business but until then... They're stuck in 2022 as far as I'm concerned.

To some extent, yes, but car is on a whole other level in terms of quality. The Air's powertrain was also better than Tesla's in 2022 powertrain. They're basically IBM in the 2000s now. They got way too comfortable and didn't innovate, and now they're no longer the leader. Hey though, the Model Y now comes with Grok?

They did naci that coming.

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Hello nope sold it :-)

Yeah. This is such bullshit. The rubes are creaming themselves because Grok is now available on new cars so wow!!

That's a real shame. Thoughts and prayers. Almost like, other automakers are smart for just ... you know.... selling cars and keeping out of the rest of stuff. The Elon effect cuts both ways.

Ask that cult member the new reason....

The amount of these I see on the road in Phoenix strongly disagree

"Lets not change the ugly badly proportioned blob shape that the old Y had and instead stick with that. What could go wrong?"

Anyone who buys one of these is a Nazi supporter, makes them easy to spot for sure.