Tesla Isn’t Going to Like the All-New Nissan Leaf’s Range and Price

Tesla could enhance their cars' appeal by offering Autopark and ASS for free to everyone, in addition to improving the Autopilot AI.

TSLA up 7%  on this news

Or, they could fire their nazi loving CEO. That would make them slightly more popular.

This, and add a gauge cluster behind the steering wheel and I might put Tesla back on my list of possible next cars. For now, it’s still the hardest of hard passes.

Yes, indeed. The feeling behind the wheel has been of too much weirdness for this old guy.

Please please please…that would go a long way to heal some of the wounds!

It’s down -.30%

None of these are Real Solutions to the EV issues. Range, charge time,charger infrastructure, and comfort are the issues. Better battery technology, and Level 3+ chargers available can help. See what the Japanese and Chinese manufacturers are doing.

Um, as of this second, it's down .34% off the opening price.   Your command of clit may exceed your command of both sarcasm and math.

The question is how long will it take to charge? It looks pretty cool honestly

Elon has not spoken yet... wait until he reacts to the news by telling that the Nissan leafs will not be a good robottaxi, and that Teslas soon will be using the new tunnel between denver and Chicago...then it will go up 88%

Only?

Then it's to the mooooooon 🚀🚀🌙

Lol, not sure I agree with the overall sentiment but this is funny as hell.

Sorry, I just got here… who’s commanding the clit again?

I was being sarcastic about how TSLA stock has routinely gone up over the course of a solid year of consistently bad news and insane fundamentals.  I didn't mean it was literally up 7%, but here we are!

Jay.

Until he's divested of all his Tesla stock I'm never going to consider buying.

Wait a sec, the new car looks different and new? What a novel idea. Maybe Tesla will eventually figure out what a redesign is...

And actual physical buttons.

Best I can do is a fascia refresh.

They shoulda changed the name too.

Elon spearheaded a redesign! It's called the cyber truck and it's one of the worse selling vehicles of all time.

I honestly didn't know Nissan is still making Leaf.

The article says 35 minutes from 10-80%

We added a light bar and a screen, that’ll be $45,000 please.

That's because Nissan is a car company, not a software company. Or meme stock.

So crazy - was just thinking today about my first EV - the Leaf - and how much I liked it :). Nice to know that they upped the miles from 73 to a little over 300.

Maybe their dealers have progressed. Tried to buy a leaf in 2019 and couldn’t get a sales person to even talk about it. Keep trying to steer me to something else. I bought a Tesla

I think you spelled moon wrong, it’s actually spelled k - e - t - a - m- i - n - e.

Slightly slower than the Tesla. What reason is there to get this over an Ioniq 5? I am assuming price?

Main details from the article: * 303 miles (488 km) per charge * can go from 10% to 80% in 35 minutes via DC fast charging * price starting in the mid-$30,000s

Nissan is going bankrupt 🤔

And/or mars

I don’t even care. For me, the car is perfectly acceptable the way it is. I just can’t support a nazi.

Japanese manufacturers? I thought Nissan is the only Japanese manufacturer makes proper electric cars.

I prefer not having a gauge cluster. Like why would you even need it in an EV? There’s nothing to monitor. It just feels like a visual distraction from the road.

The Nissan Leaf outsold Tesla for years and years. Things were better back then, we should go back.

Tesla jumped up $20

I dont like Nissan in particular (except for GT-R) but this new Leaf looks awesome and the price is right. I wish they sold an AWD version however i do understand thats what the Aria is for.

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Why are you telling me what I need or don't need? I need a speedometer, and not one off to the side. I want it in my line of sight. and yes, I've driven plenty of M3s and MYs to know I hate not having one, and gave it plenty of time/miles to 'get used to it'. I'm not going to spend $40+ on a car that annoys the shit out of me whenever I drive it. Same goes for the Volvo EX30. I like the EX30, other than the missing gauge cluster. That is also a deal killer for me.

Just out of curiosity, which model was your Leaf? The Leaf is primarily responsible for the battery degradation talking point since the earlier Leaf cars didn't even have cooling for the battery while charging.

Please tell me which driver aid's acronym is ASS? :D

Chademo adapter included? I’m kidding, but which charging plug does Nissan use in the US?

Fascist refresh, too…

"Actually Smart Summon". What happens when you have a toddler as CEO.

Tbf, they had a model in between the two that came out a few years ago with range in the mid-200s iirc

303 miles? Weak.

Well it’s doesn’t steal my social security number or brick me so that’s a big step up.

NACS and J1772 (on the passenger and drivers' sides respectively)

What a stupid manchild. The fact that he's also a Nazi just makes him the most revolting possible combination of things.

I think it was 2013 - IIRC I got used in 2016 when it went off-lease. It had 4000 miles on it and I bought it for 9k. Sold it for 7k in 2020 when I bought my M3. Was a great little car but definitely provoked some range anxiety every now and then. You are correct in that the batteries were passively air cooled.

It has buttons in the interior also. What a novel concept.

About $20,000

Yeah but it's a Nissan 🤷‍♂️

It looks more like a Tesla now, which I don't dig, but the interior render looks okay. Like the fact that infotainment screen doesn't seem absurdly oversized.

I don’t think Tesla will care. They’re not competing against the leaf which is basically an ev econobox with it’s up to 214 hp motors. I mean Tesla’s philosophy has never really been about efficiency.

At least with the stale designs, people think you bought it a while ago and aren’t a Nazi.

Said fascia refresh is just making the headlights more narrow (barely able to shine enough light).

But then his car models wouldn't spell S3XY. I swear he's a 16 year old edge lord. Which clearly isn't as bad as being up to his eye balls in Nazi shit but really does show how pathetic he is.

>Sold it for 7k in 2020 when I bought my M3 BMW M3 or Tesla Model 3?

Yeah. Who needs to buy a well built car?

Mazda 3.

Smells like Totalitarianism!

Yep, the problem is when you're looking for them used none of the online used car sites differentiate between the 73-mile, 84-mile, 150-mile and 226-mile Leaf. They were making the 84-150 models together for a while, then the 150-226 versions for maybe 8 months. I was trying to convince my neighbors to get a really old one during The pandemic because her commute is a 7-mile round trip and I was seeing the original model go for $2k-$4k

Yeah, looks like a re-skinned Ariya to me. In my opinion the Bolt was the best car every made for comfort and interior space. I don't need a CUV, I just need a car that charges above 50kW.

yeah, no

The first gen battery from 2011-2012 was responsible for that bad reputation. Beginning in 2013 they introduced the second generation "Lizard" battery which had *much* better longevity. We bought a 2013 Leaf used in 2015 with 10,000 miles on it and it started out with 84 miles of range and I just replaced the battery this winter and it still had about 60 miles of range remaining. It had over 80,000 miles on it at that point. Pretty not bad if you ask me. I bought a 2022 62kWh pack from a totaled rental car and used Dala's program to pair it to our car. It now has 250 miles of range and should last us at least another decade.

That is the craziest part about the new Leaf. NACS for Level 3 DC fast charging only on the passenger side and J1772 for Level 1/2 AC home charging on the driver's side. The engineers said that NACS was implemented so late in the development program that this was the best they could do in that time, which is respectable.

The Model S and X have a gauge cluster.

Tesla M3

They're also way too big for me, and well above my pay grade.

That’s amazing, and I do not expect that feature to catch on industry wide.

But really?! 400V in a brand new car in 2025?!

It’s really hard to know if you’re funny when everyone in your life kisses your ass. Just imagine how many of his employees have had to laugh at one of his junior high zingers. 69, 420, boobies!

Forget redesign, Tesla don't even know how to design a good looking car.

Tesla Model SS

Over in Internal Combustion Engine land, it's "Automatic Stop Start".

Yes but it’s all computer.

If you guys are talking about Elmo’s starships, I heard they are literally going nowhere as they explode to litter in mid air if they didn’t explode on the ground.

Tesler M3

That’s just testing to failure which speeds up the test/development phase… you’re used to nasa cautious approach… not a fan of the muskrat but I understand what he’s doing

That's the Smart Summon that runs into posts and whatnot? It's total ass?

Honda. Going big into EV solutions. And their prototype demo was incredible!

I don't know why the author noted the "near equivalent price" between the model y and the leaf... they stated the leaf would start in the mid 30s, and the base price for the model Y is $44,990... $10k feels like a large gap for cross shopping customers at "nearly equivalent" prices...

Since Tesla lies about their numbers, yes 303 is weak for a Tesla. For real car brands that report closer to actual numbers, not weak.

Maybe he should have put a car designer on that job. Anything to save a buck.

I didn’t say anything about Tesla. My Rivian gets 351 and still has that after 12k miles.

Thread is a Tesla to Leaf comparison.

And I’m just saying generally 303 miles sucks by today’s standards. We’ll see if that’s an actual 303 miles like you think. Leafs haven’t historically been good or accurate in the range department.

Really? 300 miles range for mid 30s sounds pretty decent to me. Rivian's cheapest vehicle is what $70K and gets 410miles? The R2, coming in 2026, advertises "300+ miles"* and a "starting at" price of $45K. As far as the Nissan's range, I didn't made any such comment about it being actual. I said that *IF* it is more accurate than Tesla (etc) then it's not bad.

If the 2028 Leaf has full NACS charging I will be very temped!

Ehhh just have Musk make Nissan illegal in the US like what happened to BYD

Ahaha my 2015 is also only 90.

Just curious , much did it cost to replace the battery?

I bought an entire wrecked 2022 for just about 8k. Now I have an entire spare motor, inverter, charge controller, and a bunch of other parts just waiting for use.

Nice! Really kills that argument that replacing the battery costs as much as a new car.

I paid 10k for it lightly used in 2015 and now I've spent another 8k to keep it on the road for another decade. Two decades of cheap electric miles for 18k. People really need to have a reality check about EV costs.