Tesla has officially discontinued Autopilot in the U.S. and Canada. All new car purchases now come standard with Traffic-Aware Cruise Control.

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This is insane. Guess I’m never buying a Tesla again.

Wait for rivian 3-5 year behind schedule

Elon just said on X it's gonna go up on price as well so welp

Life has become subscriptions or not fun!

Its a FOMO play imo from what ive seen they've done this kind of thing on and off since 2018

Autopilot is essentially TACC with auto steer, correct?

Yep, that's exactly it

For existing cars with Autopilot, do we get to keep it?

They've never got rid of autopilot, this is a first.

yeap, classic stock bump and dump. It will be back, just like how the chevy bolt came back lol

I do think its to drive FSD subscription but I dont believe the price will go up

Id assume so

**enshittification** noun | in-shit-uh-fuh-KAY-shun when a digital platform is made worse for users, in order to increase profits

This should be the reason to boycott Tesla lmao. Don’t know why they’d do this but the way things are looking like I don’t think I’ll be buying Tesla again.

I was hoping they would have updated AP to be at least on the same stack as FSD one day. Oh well. I was doubtful about getting another Tesla, this only sways me further away.

Unless they bring a limited version of fsd for free (eg highways only with no lane changes)

Well my other option is to buy used Teslas that have the old autopilot included, so the 3-5 year lag time might be fine.

Are we sure they aren’t talking about “enhanced autopilot” the $2k add on? Or did they really take away lane keep assist from the free version?

Well I was one the fence between taycan and S. Guess I have my answer.

Wonder if it’s related to the law suit in California

Wow.

Do you think the next update will take it away? They did it with radar

TACC, but no Autosteer or lane assist?

Thank you Elon for clearing my desire to buy one of your vehicles!

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Yes, I’m hoping this actually means they update autopilot later this year. If it’s truly gone, teslas are terrible value to buy new.

So silly… what’s the play here? Want to force more FSD subs?

Is this similar to how the 3/Y Standard trims come? I thought I read that Standard models don’t have Autopilot, either.

Same. Don’t care for FSD but love the basic Autosteer. Losing that is a huge blow to the value of the car and steers me away from considering a Tesla next time I’m in the market.

From what I’m reading, the new system is Traffic Aware Cruise control (TACC) and the main difference is the car no longer keeps centered in the lane (auto steer). With TACC, the car still mains speed and following distance but the driver has to steer. With basic auto pilot, the driver did not have to steer.

So a new Tesla has worse highway auto steer than a base Corolla?

I mean there are a LOT of reasons to boycott the entire brand.

What a shit move

Incredibly trashy way to treat customers.

Tesla never been customer friendly, and apparently never will be…

Gotta be.

EAP has been gone for a while. They really took away base Autopilot. Try to spec a Model 3 or Y (any trim) and scroll all the way down. It only says TACC included now, not Autopilot. https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview

Elon said the price is going up.

Yep. The 3 year old base Toyota my brother rented to visit me the other day has solid auto steer and my 26 Juniper doesn't - what garbage move from Tesla

Considering one of his 2025 compensation plan goals is to have 10mill FSD subs, this fits

Elon says a lot of things.

$8k is 6.7 years equivalent and it’s non transferable.

Hopefully that means my $65k 2021 model Y LR can be resold at a better price than the price now

I ordered Model Y Premium AWD on 1/19/26 from local inventory, and my vehicle is currently in-transit. My app still says I have "autopilot." Does this mean I will be honored with the purchase of autopilot included?

That made me guaranteed sticking with my 22M3P. Never want a newer Tesla. I’ll keep my autopilot, thanks.

Autopilot was a major selling point to me. 2.5 hour drives with highway driving is a breeze with Autopilot and even easier with FSD v12. I wonder if they re-release it with a different name to avoid future scrutiny otherwise… wow Elon wants that pay package real bad and this is a required move to get it.

They sort of used to hint they were doing that but it became clear they never were.

I mean, if you got the S now, you'd get FSD and free supercharging included

Ok, either he's lost his mind or the price is about to drop on FSD while still going up for unsupervised. Otherwise this is how you run a car company into the ground.

Welp, let the hacking commence!

If it was, they’d just change the name and continue offering it. Tons of cars come with lane keep assist these days.

Didn’t they announce a while ago that all development on Autopilot ceased? Tesla is focused on FSD only.

Are they removing autopilot from existing cars?

May keep my lease if true, have 1 yr left on a 24 model Y

Class action time if they try that

Yes. They are pushing fsd hard especially now that it somewhat works. I like autopilot because you can just sit there and speed up and down with the little scroll wheel and it keeps a steady speed. FSD when i used it is goofy at times. I'd only pay for FSD if i was taking a long trip.

On my 25 Tesla model 3 it’s great

Imagine a Tesla comes less of tech than a Corolla lol

Even better, we're retroactively making physical products worse now too. Autopilot, and Full-Self Driving, both run locally on the car. The required hardware and software are sold to you as part of the package when you purchase the vehicle. The subscription is paying for R&D costs.

Lol didn’t think of that. I hope so too but I have an Atom vehicle so really my experience with Tesla has been a whole lot of OH THATS SO COOL oh I don’t get that feature.

Elon needs to hit 10M FSD subs to get his full compensation package. The investors demand that his customers suffer, they were too satisfied and that is never good for business.

I'd like to know too

I think it’s to try and avoid the retrofit costs. They know level 5 autonomy isn’t going to run on current hardware. They stop selling it now then they just have to wait out the cars they currently have a liability to update ending up sold off by the owners.

Time for a comma.ai device which performs the same function and works in the Tesla. I have a highland with FSD and an ioniq5 with the comma device.

Lane centering, where auto steer isn’t available

same for me. I use autopilot everyday and I am happy with it. I won't be getting a Tesla at all without it so in the future I'll either look elsewhere or buy used

Was going to buy a Tesla until it was announced that Chinese EVs are coming to Canada going hold out for a Zeekr

I wonder if this will spread to other markets (like Asia Pac; I’m in Australia)

Hey that’s what I paid - blue paint and FSD add on - march 2021

Comical. A base model Corolla does more than this.

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It should be, but there’s an element of the fan base that will accept anything. I’m certainly not buying another.

Well, I've been thinking about buying a new car and was feeling kind of guilty that it would probably be another Tesla even though Elon keeps doing stupid things. But this just made the decision easier. With the supercharger network open to everyone now, base autopilot was one of the few things Tesla still had over other EV's. If its going away...

But that is exactly my point. They are making owning FSD not an option so they do not have to retrofit current cars.

I haven’t been keeping up, had they already removed Autopilot previously?

I guess my next car will be a Rivian or Lucid. I dont like FSD after using it couple months when it was given free to try for a month, but I use autopilot ALL the time! I don’t want my car changing lanes I want it to just keep the speed I set and the lane I choose. I do thousands of miles a year on autopilot and it’s perfect for my needs.

lane keep on a hyundai was easier than autopilot

He needs to hit 10M subscribers to get his payout. They are nowhere remotely close to that number. If he raises the prices it’s just going to push more people away. If anything the price is going to go down over time to get closer to that goal. He tweeted that so he can get an influx of $8k from a shitload of people for the next few weeks

They can’t do that. It’s illegal. It’s on your monroney label. They can’t just remove a feature that shows on your window sticker. It’s a federal regulation

irony there is even though the 3rd gen bolt isn't out yet - they apparently are shifting that plant back to buick/gas powered suv production. So they brought back the 2027 Bolt and are only doing 1 possibly 2 model year production run and then stopping again. i say this as a 2022 Bolt EUV owner, but GM sucks ass, they already killed the Bolt for a 3rd time and they haven't even sold one yet. Nissan / Kia have some real chances in the EV world if GM and Tesla keep making bonehead moves like this. Considering everyone wants to get their hand in my pocket monthly and turn my car into a rolling netflix subscription, part of me wants to say screw everyone get an old school S10 or Ranger and fix it up nice and stay low tech.

Jesus do you people not know what a monroney label is? They can’t do that. It’s illegal. Autopilot is on your monroney label. They can’t just remove a feature that shows on your window sticker. It’s a federal regulation

And I heard Teslas only improve with time. 🤦‍♂️

This can’t be to increase FSD subscriptions. People don’t go from having something for free to paying $100 per month. Maybe $10 per month, but not $100.

Yes it’s only if you ordered after this change took effect today. Make sure autopilot is listed on your window sticker, if so they can never take it away.

This tells me that FSD isn’t selling well. I’ve long suspected is that most people aren’t actually interested in anything more than reliable highway TACC + autosteer. We’ll see how forcing customers into FSD subscriptions just to get that plays out - I suspect not well, and they’ll end up with two subscription tiers (enhanced and “full”).

Fsd is included with a new model S? That can’t be true.

Looks like I’ll be considering other cars than Tesla moving toward. FSD V14 has been fantastic imo, but I’m still not going to pay $99 a month to have it. The fact that they are taking away basic Autopilot is enough for me to look elsewhere. I don’t want a subscription in every corner of my life. It’s absurd. Let’s not forget the fact that they don’t seem to really care about making different types of cars anymore either and just wanna push FSD.

As if Elon isn’t in bed with trump and the government already to do what he wants. The government doesn’t care about consumer protection anymore, let’s be honest.

Wow the Volkswagen id.4 now has a better autopilot included stock than a Tesla itself. Sad day to move to subscription only garbage. They know most people probably utilize autopilot/fsd the most for their highway commutes and autopilot is probably more than sufficient for most people in that.

lol. Tesla won’t be selling enough cars in the current environment to possibly hit 10m FSD subs anytime soon. At least not until FSD is truly an unsupervised system. However, I don’t think there are any teslas on the road today that will have the necessary hardware to ever run an unsupervised system.

Almost everything he says is bullshit. There’s no way the price goes up. Maybe for unsupervised but if anything supervised is going to get cheaper. They need 10 mil subscribers and the higher the price the less likely people subscribe. He’s full of shit

They can’t just remove it. It’s illegal. It’s on your monroney label. They can’t just remove a feature that shows on your window sticker. It’s a federal regulation

I know your are kidding because the autosteer on the Toyota really sucks. Barely works.

Should be the top comment

I’ll be curious if Tesla does anything to make those devices not work with their cars in the future. I think Toyota pretty well made them stop working with all their new cars.

Musk is showing desperation

He claimed that too when it was $15k.

It’s 2026. I wouldn’t put it past Tesla to try.

That's the point that I refused to update. I'm still on that last update before they took away radar AP. My AP is so good, at that point it was past the days of phantom braking and it works great in almost all weather conditions. I think its been 3 years? At this point I am riding this version until the bitter end.

I moved from Tesla Y to Kia EV9 which is an upgrade in all regards. Comes with lane centering, assist and even lane change standard which is more than Tesla AP I used to get but still I had small inclination to go back to Tesla as I have heard ride quality has improved a lot in Juniper which was my main gripe. But with this change, this sounds like a bigger downgrade to me that I can accept. 😌

Call it SafetyPilot and move on. I’ve ever understood the autopilot naming convention. It’s been contentious since the day it launched

Me too. I hate that you can’t prevent FSD from changing lanes. Autopilot is perfect. I wouldn’t buy a Tesla without autopilot.

Probably to help Musk hit his trillion dollar pay deal. It’s the only explanation why the company would make a regressive choice that hurts its own products and brand.

Really, even base model Toyotas have auto-steer now? It’s standard?

The Kia version is even better than Toyotas!

It’s decent on my ‘26 Highlander. Not as good as my Model Y but it’s functional

I had my eye on an EV6 in 2022 when I was in the market (got Tboned by a red light runner and killed my paid for 2017 hybrid Volt) sadly that was the time when no dealer had anything on the lot, new or used. You could place an order but you'd be waiting 6+ months for it to get built and shipped. That's how I wound up in an EUV, middle of nowhere dealer in TX had one on the lot so I grabbed it. I keep tabs on them as a brand, they have a lot of interesting stuff but seems 1/2 of it isn't making it to the US though.

Truly, Autopilot was all most people really needed. FSD is nice, but do we actually need to be sleeping in the car while it drives us to work? That’s part of the problem, and probably why Autopilot was removed, you can’t even do that right now anyway. Autopilot was essentially a simplified version of FSD, and for most drivers, it covered everything that mattered. In my experience, FSD was more of a headache than it was worth for local driving. It disengaged more often than it stayed on. (No, I have not used the latest and greatest version of FSD so this may no longer be the case?) The best use case for any driver-assistance system has always been highway driving, which Autopilot handled perfectly well. Sure, it wasn’t truly hands-free, you had to keep a hand on the wheel or apply slight pressure so the system knew you were present, but for most people, that was more than sufficient. Because of that, having Autopilot significantly reduced the incentive to purchase FSD, especially since Elon never established a clear or consistent transfer policy. Did FSD stay with the car? Did it follow the driver? Did it disappear entirely after the original owner sold the vehicle? Sometimes there were transfer promotions, sometimes there weren’t. You never really knew what you were signing up for when buying FSD. While I generally dislike subscriptions, I actually think moving FSD to a subscription model was one of the better decisions. At least now you can start and stop it whenever you want, and you’d have to use it for seven or more years before you’d even begin to overpay compared to the original $8,000 one-time purchase. The fact that Tesla was charging even more than that in the past for a product that was clearly inferior to what it is today was pretty wild. All of this is frustrating. Getting rid of Autopilot makes me seriously reconsider buying a new Tesla, unless I were specifically planning to get FSD anyway, for whatever reason. Definitely NOT a pro-consumer move.

Level 5 is a far future thing anyway. Tesla may reach level 4, but nobody's gonna reach level 5 for a very very very long time.

Yep www.tesla.com Edit: ymmv locally

And eventually (since we already have pretty much every manufacturer coming out with TACC + Autosteer), it will just be free with car because everyone has it. Eventually not having it will be like having manually roll down windows.

At least in the US: https://preview.redd.it/cpiqhtg6i1fg1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1f5939732dd19dcf4cfd0f715db0f5d66e99794

Tesla owners and Elon fans everywhere putting on the final touches of their clown makeup right now.

Sales have been down year-over-year, now they're squeezing customers to try to make up for it. Somehow they still haven't come out with a sub-$30k car, which is actually what they need to get sales up.

Fortunately lane assist is mandatory in Europe, so as far as I know, Tesla has to offer autopilot here.

Has anyone run a direct comparison of the base auto-driving features currently available for Hyundai, Kia, Rivian, and Lucid? Or just the larger EV makers in general? Never thought I would be rooting for Tesla's competition to catch up so that Tesla could go back to making life better for its customers.

I've never heard about that. But I don't live in the US.

Same here. We bought our Tesla because of the autopilot. If we can’t buy one with all features unlocked and permanent, then we just won’t.

I was literally looking to purchase a Juniper….. now I feel like I’d rather keep my 21 Y P with auto pilot 🤦🏻‍♂️

AP doesn't need any further development. It's a complete product. No need to remove it, except for cash grab reasons.

You get what you measure!

Yes. Similar to how some older cars still have EAP.

Likely for the current car. Get ready to be locked out of software updates. Like the business model for phones, support will stop since they want you to upgrade.

Ya it’s a US regulation. Every new automobile sold in the united states must have a window sticker that lists all the specs, pricing and features. It’s a federal crime if not, same for altering any details on that label of putting features on there the car doesn’t have.

Some of y'all should check to see if the Comma AI device is compatible with your Tesla model. I cannot stress what an amazing device it is and the function it can add for $1k. It supports HW3 Model 3 and Model Y and at least two years of Model Y with HW4.

don't need to speculate too far. Getting to 10M FSD subscribers is one of the operational goals set out in Elon Musk's $1T compensation package. [https://www.statista.com/chart/35415/elon-musk-proposed-1-trillion-pay-package-at-tesla/](https://www.statista.com/chart/35415/elon-musk-proposed-1-trillion-pay-package-at-tesla/) so he's financially motivated to make the product worse by taking away the "good enough" default autopilot, to force people on to FSD subs. And by taking away the lucrative FSD sales, he also forces more subscriptions.

Yes. Look for Safety Sense 2.5+ (the plus is very important). It has optional lane centering when cruise control is engaged, they call it LTA. When cruise control is off it's just standard LKAS. It works really well on hybrid models with the HSD drivetrain, almost feels like an EV with its smoothness and lack of discrete gear ratios.

Is this for new car purchase or current vehicles as well?

Only used teslas for me moving forward. I adore auto pilot

Only thing that I wish it had was the same attention monitoring as FSD v12

I was planning on getting a new MY next year or so and this is a genuine deal breaker. I don't care about FSD, but I use AP all the time on the highway. It does what I need it to do just fine. Looks like I'll be looking at the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, or R3 in the future. Another bone headed decision by Elon. Unfortunate.

This is why.

+1 and because they separated lanekeep from the cruise control it's much more dynamic. Our model 3 totally panics when you try to overtake, and cancels the autopilot completely. Kia ans Hyundai disables lane assist but keeps cruise control on, when lane change has happened then it reenables by itself. Kias FSD-like feature is just the above, with on-demand lane change ability.

Same

Intel Atom crew assemble and shrug silently together.

They should 100% just transition it to a legacy mode, where it keeps working exactly the same.

What about Europe?

Same reason i stopped getting excited for the major holiday updates since 9 times out of 10 my vehicle doesnt qualify 🥲

Read the headline and post again...NEW car purchases (+ he's hinting at used purchases as well) is the operative. Existing vehicles on the road will maintain the Autopilot feature.

Last time I gave a shit about an update was the matrix headlights. I got a 2021 Model 3 in 2024 and the updates have been the biggest nothing-burgers my entire ownership. And from the looks of it, a lot of updates newer cars got were just features that weren’t available for them at launch like with the Vision Parking and Summon. So what am I gonna buy a new Tesla later and discover they swapped some sensor mid fucking production run from the model year and now I have to wait for a feature to come out? Wild shit.

Same. Actually stopped subscribing for trips after they got rid of the minimize Lane changes setting

So the only difference is it doesn't steer automatically within lanes anymore correct?

This is a riotable offense

Literally getting rid of the main reason I bought a Tesla. This takes away my incentive to be a repeat buyer in the future.

Oh, if you could actually sleep in the car while it drove the subs would sell like hotcakes. Who knows how long that will take to happen though. The current FSD is definitely nice to have. It certainly has improved but I'm frustrated that they took away the minimal lane changes option because it is really annoying how it drives.

Well apparently comma.ai devices are compatible with Teslas

I think the main problem I have with Autopilot is that it doesn't allow you to override the steering. If you turn the steering wheel, AP gets turned off altogether, rather than just letting you course correct when you feel that it's doing something wrong. Most other ALK systems I've tried let you do this, and I think it makes them much more convenient to use, even if AP is technically more advanced.

In Australia on HW3 with no FSD despite paying for it. Next car might be the new EX60 Volvo (We don’t have many EV SUV’s here)

Yup. Same here.

I have safety sense 2.5+ on my Tundra and it’s completely trash compared to Tesla Auto steer.

Is this the actual nerfing of autopilot. Or is this just a renaming to comply with California and other states they are claiming they won’t allow them to sell cars in their states if they don’t change the name of autopilot?

I have it on my RAV4 PHEV and it has much better lane discipline than my old 2015 Model S. It doesn't do that thing where it inexplicably drifts to one side for a few seconds before correcting.

I was hopeful they were gonna give base Autopilot some well-needed TLC when news came out TACC would be sunset back in 2024(?)... looks like we're in the worst timeline for that with Autosteer getting axed. Rivian R3 is calling my name from the future...

I got a Porsche Macan EV after driving a Model X Plaid for 2 years. Miss the tech but the driving experience on the Macan is insanely smooth. Would’ve gotten the Taycan but planning for a baby soon. Also, since a chunk of Tesla’s tech is no longer standard, it makes the Porsche EVs more attractive.

Technically the autopilot name is a direct reference to the autopilot in an airplane, which does exactly the same thing : keep speed and heading based on the gps, nothing more. So it match pretty well. I don't now why people assume this word means more.

Ah yes, removing features will for sure increase sales. Whoever made that deduction must have been a marketing genius.

I have a Gen 1 Rivian and it works really good (no phantom braking) when you are on a road that is “mapped”. You can change lane (as long as you signal) and it still stays on “autopilot”. I heard Gen 2 and higher Rivian have it even better, even with auto lane changes, etc.

He’s in for a rude shock when he realises how many people that want more than just TACC on a new car (pretty much every new car buyer) will just buy a different car rather than pay a subscription.

I would not buy another Tesla without autopilot.

‘It somewhat works’. Even if it works 99% of the time, you’re f*cked when your numbers up. If you need to supervise, then what is the point when you retain responsibility and liability at all time anyway

I was considering getting a Y at the end of the year in Europe... I guess I will spend that money elsewhere I don't mind having FSD under a sub, but the autosteer ......?

Teslas Assist confirms [https://imgur.com/a/xmMwo2h](https://imgur.com/a/xmMwo2h)

Now you guys will feel what’s it like to live in the UK where traffic aware cruise control has always been the default :(

I’m a 23 MYP EAP owner. Used it on a road trip to Miami. It was better than nothing, but I didn’t trust it once metro traffic got crazy.

Disgusting move. Simply won’t buy a Tesla in the future if it’s a downgrade compared to the current one.

That would be a huge nerf by itself. Automatic lane steering is fantastic and reduces driving fatigue by a huge amount.

Yeah it's really poor on their trucks. So much better on the midsize vehicles. Equal or better than Tesla's offering, in my opinion (and much better now that Tesla just removed it)

He needs 10 million subscribers but he also needs to increase Tesla's earnings from $50b to $400b, and a market cap 20x higher than Toyota's current market cap. He needs more subscribers AND higher prices. What I could potentially see happening is a price cut to $50 or lower to get more subscribers, then in following years increasing it back to $100 / $150 / $200 and beyond. That's the power a subscription, he can change the price at any time.

Deal breaker. Looks like I won't be purchasing any more Teslas. Womp womp.

Exactly my 2022 VW Tiguan has auto steer by default, it's nuts they've removed it, especially as all the new cars I'm looking at all have it built in now

People would definitely be interested in unsupervised FSD. The problem is that supervised FSD exists in this middleground that nobody wants or cares about.

Autopilot is the reason I bought the car. It was far better than anything else on the market back then.

yea im never getting another one of these cars again lmfao. cant wait to get rid of mine

>marketing genius. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-fsd-subscription-price-rising-kills-autopilot-2026-1 He states that the value proposition is much higher if you can sleep or use your phone for the whole ride. While true, that depends entirely on regulatory approval. Aren't we years away from that? Neither the police nor the insurance company are going to be happy with me if I have an accident while sleeping. Tesla doesn't appear to be taking responsibility for accidents while using "full" self driving. So the value proposition is not there yet.

Are there even 10m Tesla on the road? Subscriptions soar when the price was lowered to $99. Maybe he will make it $25 when he needs to hit 10m

I actually prefer autopilot to FSD because it lets me cover the camera and not get nags.... This would be such a devastating change. I'm not sure I would buy another Tesla until they allow unsupervised FSD.

I think this is exactly when he took it off default. Autopilot is good enough for most. It’s better than anything else on the market. It’s “free” Only time will tell tell how this move impacts sales.

There are plenty of people who bought Teslas before Elon went off his gourd. The vehicles are good generally speaking. But the CEO is not anymore. I’m one of those people. I actually have a model 3 with autopilot which I find to be a great sweet spot between FSD that won’t work anyway, vs adaptive cruise control. This is a major regression for customers. I’m not buying a Tesla again if this is permanent.

Canceled FSD today because of this. If Autopilot isn't available when I go to buy my next car, it won't be a Tesla full stop.

I will never buy another Tesla again. I use auto pilot daily on my work commute. And no I’m not paying a subscription for FSD as a work around.

They are also planing on raising the price on FSD.

Correct. My wife’s 2020 Tucson has auto steer and lane assist but your 2026 model 3/y/s won’t.

Autopilot is literally the only feature I have a Tesla for. I would never buy any other car until another car until it can do autopilot as well as Tesla. This means I can never buy another new Tesla again. Absolutely shitty move.

Hopefully this means updates coming for tacc? Also despite having a Tesla for 6 months I’m not sure what autopilot is, it’s not FSD, but also not auto steer?

It just isn't worth $100 a month.

Now it makes sense. I was wondering why a company that had been bleeding sales across most of the globe and even in the US (at least it was for a short while, I think it’s recovered here) would decide to make their base car less appealing and add that you need a $100+ subscription to get some of those features back, but you can’t disable features you don’t like. All the while consumers do NOT want more monthly subscriptions and are feeling the pinch… he’s just trying to get a load of money and isn’t actually thinking straight. Here’s what I think, if he just needs people to subscribe, make it cheaper. I’d probably pay for $50 a month FSD. That’s still a lot, but I think it’d be more worth it

Are we sure this isn't just a new (legally safer and more accurate) name for autopilot?

FU Elon. What a POS

Sorry but I'm probably not understanding the terminology here. From where I come from, we don't get FSD. However, we do get (without paying extra) TACC and Autosteer. So what's happening in the US? They are giving TACC as standard but not Autosteer?

Stop spreading false information. One-time purchase of FSD counts in the 10-million FSD subscription goal. The [SEC filing](https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000110465925108602/tm2530188d1_ex4-4.htm) stated “***a single payment to the company***” qualifies. “*average daily aggregate number of at least ten (10) million subscriptions over a consecutive three (3)-month period through accounts established with the Company that provide access to FSD by means of* ***a single payment to the Company for an indefinite period*** *or repeat purchase*”

Well guess I’ll never buy an updated Tesla. My 2020 MY will be it if they stick with this. I’m not paying monthly for a feature the car has to be turned on. Especially not when Elon already said it’s going to go up as they get to unsupervised autopilot.

It will.  Same as the old regen settings.  I still don't use the blended friction brake setting to simulate regen when it is reduced so I can coast in icy conditions, but the new cars don't even have this as an option to shut off regen assist.

People get mad when we say this,  but as good as the system is none of our cars we currently own will ever see unsupervised.

So they got rid of the enhanced Autopilot and renamed the regular Autopilot to Traffic-Aware Cruise Control…

I'm never buying a Tesla now. I couldn't afford $100 self driving subscription and $8k for self driving where the hw can become obsolete is too much to justify. The only appeal was free lane assist. Without that, this brand is a no for me.

This will drive Tesla stock up...

Wrong. Autopilot has autosteer which they’re removing. TACC does NOT have auto steer.

MYLR with hw4. We know FSD is getting really good. We use it for long trips. Otherwise the standard cruise control with Lane centering is great. If only we could have lane change. But FSD is still not worth $8,000 to us. Tesla is making a big mistake because other car makers will shortly have versions of FSD that will be as good or better for a lot less.

In Houston. I bought a Tesla for the autopilot. It’s literally a life saver since I commute so much. I would never buy another Tesla if it doesn’t include that. Because what’s the point then? I’m not subscribing and spending even more money to use my car.

My girlfriend just got a used 2024 Ford Escape for $22k. I could go out right now and get a brand new Tesla Model 3 for like 15k more, and it’ll have less self driving capability than her car. Gotta be one of the dumber Tesla moves in their history

Nah you want safety sense 3.0. That has much better lane centering as well as allows auto lane change just like EAP.

I have a lease on a model x that ends in 2 years. If i decide to purchase after that will the autopilot that i currently have still remain?

Just tried the FSD on a loaner car… it’s a nice gimmick worth about $3400 as an add on. Even that imma bit embarrassed to purchase but seems cool enough…. $8000 is insane and 99 a month is an insult. I tried using it and I still need to hold the wheel and look forward. On the streets it’s useless and on the highway all you really need is autopilot 1.0 that’s it.

Since it has to be an average daily aggregate number of 10 million over 3 consecutive *months* that essentially means subscriptions unless Tesla *drastically* increases the number of cars they sell (they only sold ~1.6 million world wide across the entire *year* of 2025). That’s why they are dropping the single purchase. Old purchases won’t count and there is no way that Tesla will reach volume where they are selling ~10 million new cars a month anytime soon.

It really could. Only Elon getting involved with politics has held then back. Get rid of him and big things can happen.

Hopefully they don't remove it from existing vehicles.

Yup. Exactly this.

People like to complain a lot about EU regulations but it helps A LOT in keeping enshittification away for customers.

Sales are down, let us remove features, that will fix it! L

>now that it somewhat works We have both HW4 and HW3. The HW4 car is amazing. I'd feel totally comfortable sitting in the back seat. The HW3 car is definitely in the "somewhat" category.

Tesla really needs to realise that that's too high an entry price. It's cheaper than hiring a personal driver, but that is not the comparison 99.9% of people make. For them, it is a decision between FSD and driving yourself---which is free. For example: "$9.99 base fee per month + 9 cents/mile on FSD-enabled trips" That comes out to $110 per month for a car that drives the national average a month and does all its trips on FSD. Much easier pill to swallow. But as it is, a huge percentage of owners will shy away from the big $99 number. Be it because the cost is high by itself, be it because they drive below the average and do the math, or just because they don't have that many trips where FSD would be an advantage. For a tenner, and then a fee on actual usage...what's a tenner a month, that's nothing.

What else is new with this asshat?

What is Traffic-Aware Cruise Control equivalent of? Advanced Autopilot?

Oh yeah that wont hurt already sagging car sales at all!!!

“a single payment to the company” qualifies. “average daily aggregate number of at least ten (10) million subscriptions over a consecutive three (3)-month period through accounts established with the Company that provide access to FSD by means of a single payment to the Company for an indefinite period or repeat purchase”

They won't remove it. They just won't enable it on new cars. Pretty simple.

Only reason I wanted to buy a Tesla was for autopilot. They will lose a lot of customers for sure

Yea, my 2023 Corolla LE has “LTA” which centers in the lane and steers around most corners. It’s absolutely more rudimentary but for highway driving the difference is not as noticeable

The current Autopilot is the biggest USP for a tesla. But not for 99 p M. I have FSD so feel a bit better. But i had to buy a new M3 and Autopilot is not in it anymore, I would seriously reconsider what to buy. So when FSD is finally released I think I have exactly the situation Elon mentioned: the car will appreciate value ! LOL Nevertheless, I think Tesla should keep a basic autosteering for the highway. No lane changing etc, just as it is today. I really appreciate it, but I don't want subscriptions for 99 just for that.

I would like minimize land change setting

They won’t remove it for existing vehicles. That opens them up to a world of legal trouble. Though I fear they will bundle autosteer updates into FSD. So you will either have to get FSD sub or use the steer as is.

sigh. when can i get a byd

I’ll be honest - autopilot is THE killer feature that has kept me buying Teslas over other vehicles… come time to replace either I currently have, a mandatory feature is lane centering on the highway l, and I’m not subscribing to the feature with unknown future costs.. so guess I need to start evaluating other cars — particularly ones with comma.ai support…

I’ll be honest - autopilot is THE killer feature that has kept me buying Teslas over other vehicles… come time to replace either I currently have, a mandatory feature is lane centering on the highway l, and I’m not subscribing to the feature with unknown future costs.. so guess I need to start evaluating other cars — particularly ones with comma.ai support…

Still won’t buy FSD.

The worst part of auto-pilot is having to turn it back on every single time you change lanes leaving me to just use TAAC at times.

Can someone find anything that indicates if *existing* owners that have autopilot will lose the feature via software update?

So is auto pilot removed on all cars or just removed on new purchases?

Tesla has never stopped releasing software updates for non-hardware reasons before, have they? No reason to think they’d start that now. Plenty of people only ever bought EAP, an option that hasn’t existed for years, and they still get software updates.

We have the leverage, in this moment, to destroy or at least mortally wound the investment class through avoidance and refusal of AI. Simply avoid any purchase with AI and disconnect from any programs or find "dumb" alternatives. They cant do a thing without us to operate the machines within which they intend to grind us. AI is their weak point... they are invested heavily and will begin to devour each other after they realize we aren't biting.

For real. Death sentence in that regard.

He also said in 2019 that the cars would appreciate and FSD would solved.

Autopilot might just be renamed because it was ruled as deceptive https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/12/16/california-judge-says-tesla-engaged-in-deceptive-autopilot-marketing-.html

Openpilot

I used to like it until the cabin camera integration made it so you can’t take your eyes off the road for more than 2 seconds. Whats the point in having it on if i can’t even change the song that is playing on my phone without the car freaking out. Even looking at the nav screen for too long will make it mad.

So I stumbled upon this thread which I thought was really interesting pertaining to the question being asked about what if autopilot was removed and not many people cared - https://www.facebook.com/groups/709744867334910/posts/938857984423596/

Same. I commute 45 minutes each way with one interchange. I get in the left lane, lock it in and set it to 85. Easy drive.

I guess Rivian it is then! Thanks for making my decision easier Elon!

Guess a new Chinese EV it will be when its time to move on from this Tesla

And thats how and why people will ride cars from 2010s until their wheels fall off

No it’s not a rename. They are removing autopilot to force you to pay $99 fsd subscription.

Even more reason to drive my 2025 legacy MYP into the ground. By then we will probably have BYD's here.

You'll own nothing and be happy

Meh , they can get fucked. Love the car for absolute ease of use but it will be my last tesla. Thankfully I have autopilot and use the piss out of it. Got the car for economy and a bit of luxury, well goodbye luxury I guess, just go into a nice camry hybrid after this. In california it's cheaper to drive hybrid due to electricity rates. Also, I never liked the FSD, used the autopilot way more. They should just add the autopilot option for people at 2k or something and people might buy that. Next car... international Scout Terra hybrid truck!!!

I don’t own a Tesla. I have rented and driven them although never with FSD. From an outsider POV the subscription even at $99 makes more sense for the consumer too. $8k is almost 7 years (6.7) of subscription. Let’s assume it is easy to pause and restart the subscription, and call it 7 full years. How many people realistically have a vehicle for 7 years? Also, how many new HW versions will come in those 7 years, making your $8k less meaningful because it’s EOL tech? At $50 it’s not even a discussion, it’s a consumer advantage. At $99 it is strongly arguably still consumer advantage. I have no allegiance to Tesla or its execs, I’m just an outsider giving an opinion based on figures. It’s not too bad of a deal IMO

Tesla is cooked. FSD alone is not a reason to buy a Tesla. Tesla needs to focus on lower prices to increase adoption rate. Sales are down and will continue to fall. He is lucky the Chinese electric cars aren’t here yet.

A single payment over the three month window. There are not enough new car buyers in the three month window to move the needle.

I think this only applies to new sales, so technically they're not "removing" it, just not offering it on new vehicles.

Yes, on Standard models.

Thats insane

We got our car used (it was only three months old) and it came with autopilot. We ended up being able to upgrade to FSD for 2k when it dropped from 15k down to 8k. It was the best money we personally ever spent. But we fully intend to keep it for 7+ years or possibly upgrade if they ever do a “your FSD follows you to a new car” deal again.

Enshittification

Yeah, HW4 isn’t that different from HW3. The cameras are all pretty much the same except for the front bumper camera. IMO, the camera system is the pitfall. While it’s impressive it can do what it does, I don’t think it’s nearly reliable enough to be trusted in an unsupervised manner. People hate it but I still think there has to be some Lidar elements for good self driving. Camera only doesn’t have any redundant data points to ensure accuracy of what the cameras/system is seeing. I don’t think we necessarily need Waymo level lidar but we need something to provide reliable measurements for the things that simply can’t be seen in imperfect environments.

HW4 on the recent versions of FSD are incredibly lenient now with nags. They seem to be a little context sensitive, but coming from a HW3 car with no interior camera at all (steering wheel nag required), I have zero issues in the latest v14.x firing off some texts and email replies. It’s still ultimately my responsibility and if something crazy happens when I’m doing it, it’s on me, but with over 4000 miles on FSD (98% of my driving), I’m comfortable doing so and the monitoring is now very reasonable IMO.

It's kinda like buying a house (minus the equity portion, for this comparison). Your mortgage itself stays the same year to year. But, I think everyone knows, rent always goes up over time. By buying a house, you somewhat lock in your rate. Same with FSD. If Elon hits his subscription goal.. especially if he is not required to KEEP it, that rate is gonna get jacked sky high. The only reason it may not go up in the near future is because he needs people to subscribe. But up it will go, eventually. Unsupervised will be hundreds more, and they'll probably remove supervised... All or nothing. Aside from that though, most people don't care enough to buy it at all - AP is all they wanted, and that was free. This gamble could actually hurt Tesla sales, because AP equivalent features are basic and included on competitors.

The new M3P was really growing on me especially with the turn signal stalk added back but this really put any thoughts on upgrading out the window. Absolutely ridiculous to add $100 on top of the already expensive car payment. Hoping Rivian can get their software up to par by the time the R3X come out

Tbh Tesla is really starting to lose their appeal. They hit the ground running, but now, the vehicles are better at some things but honestly quite a bit worse than other manufacturers at a lot of things. They really haven't improved their lineup in a very long time... The refreshes look a bit nicer, but at their core, they're pretty much the same. And I think we know how the CT sales went.

Traffic aware cruise control is terrible, especially in winter. I had to manually drive my 6 hour trip last night because traffic aware cruise control thought it was safer to drive 60km/h on a 110km/h major highway due to “poor visibility”. What a load of crap. I can see fine and just want the car to keep a constant speed for me, is that too much to ask?

i mean i get the reason why. Autopilot is good for 99% of the time than me sweating if the car will do a left turn right with fsd. road trips are mostly highways anyways so you aren't doing complicated maneuvers. At the same time I can drive around town just fine myself for free. $100 a month is way too much. Maybe if it was $10-20. I got enough stupid ass subscriptions as it is lol.

Yep. The biggest advantage they had and still have is the super charger network and it’s a big differentiation. It’s opening up to more cars, but ultimately you need somewhere to charge and the superchargers are the best method right now. If someone can crack that, they’ll crush Tesla.

Until they remove the waiver then I'll be fine with it, and will sue the hell out them if FSD turned out not function properly. For a person not as trustful with machines like me, AP was the furthest I could tolerate and it works perfectly fine

Welp time to sell my tesla. There are many other cars to choose from with the same autopilot.

Sure, but now the subscription will cost more… so there’s that…

So stupid. You cannot control the speed and lane change behavior of FSD. I would be fine with a subscription model for Autopilot provided that it’s reasonably priced. For example: $50/mo (or less) - Autopilot (TACC w/ lane keeping) $100/mo (or less) - Supervised FSD $150/mo (or less) - Unsupervised FSD

That's crazy. Won't be upgrading my Tesla if this happens in the UK.

That is what it is though. I'd be surprised if they don't roll back this decision based on the uproar. Total asinine move.

I think he refers to them as his 'cucks' internally.

EAP was the holy grail

Which is a weird thing to say when you're going to a month by month subscription. It made sense as a fear tactic when we was collecting $10k for FSD all at once no-take-backsies. But there's no pressure to buy as people can sub and unsub at will...for now. I'm now just waiting on the 12 month contract. Old school cell phone plan style contracts are back baby!

I was looking into getting another Tesla. Have the 3… wanted the Y. But not anymore… I will wait

I completely understand that view. It is certainly a concern that what if the raise the price. It would be a counter intuitive decision, leading to less subscribers IMO. I think the goal is scale which mean more profit per subscription, at $99. However, it’s very clear the company does not always follow the most logical path, so I get the concern for sure. For what it’s worth, most a Tesla users can instal and use comma, which is arguable better than autopilot and just shy of FSD. It is definitely worth the $999 and don’t have to worry about trickery as it is open source SW. Edit: I see Elon specifically saying the price will rise 😩 sorry chat yall cooked. Just confirmed that I will not be purchasing a Tesla 🤷‍♂️

Just don’t ever buy a tesla again. They are going the BMW subscription-to-use route where they charge monthly for basic features that already exist on the car you bought. Not to mention Elon, even without him this is enough to never buy a Tesla.

Probably not buying regardless but if you bought the 8k supervised FSD subscription before it goes away on Feb 14, will it transfer to an unsupervised FSD subscription upon the release of the latter? That's the only way I'd consider buying it

I would buy FSD if it wasn't vehicle locked. Unfortunately this will never happen.

Yep, amazing how many naive people thought his new pay package would incentivize him to make Tesla better, while it’s far more likely to just lead to more enshittification.

Yup, was eye opening to me when we got our Kia EV9 how much better in highway situations than it is than base AP. And that’s all I use AP for.

Does this mean CURRENT Tesla owners LOSE this capability?

The damage Elon did to the brand coupled with taking away the one thing the cars really have over the competition seems pretty dumb. Not interested in a bonus sub for my car to keep working, or paying $8K+ up front for a feature that's still basically being beta tested. I would have considered a second Tesla in other circumstances, but they seem to be actively pushing buyers away.

There’s still comma ai at least…

Can’t emphasize enough just how lame this really is.

2021 MYLR here, yup… I already told my wife this is our last one

I would consider Kia for myself if they didn't have all of those EU mandated chimes. It's not good at detecting my eyes, so it get atleast a chime per 8-10 minutes of driving.

No

I mean, they do remove FSD when you trade a car into them. I doubt they'd ever try to remove it from existing owned cars but they do remove features once the cars come back to them for resale.

“Option available until February 14” the FOMO marketing is so annoying. I really like FSD on my 2018 that I’ve had since new. I will not make a $50k purchase on a new car early though because of FOMO tactics. They can either upgrade my car or offer the transfer indefinitely. Without it my next car won’t be a Tesla

I got my first model S in early 2017 and my second in late 2023. The technology didn't improve a ton for many, many years - but they recently gave us three months of FSD for free and we were shocked by how good it was compared to even 18 months prior. In three months of use, I had to override it maybe 4 times, and each time, it asked me to tell it why I did that (presumably they will use this data to refine).

Isn't autopilot just lane keeping?

So is the basic autopilot now rebranded to "traffic aware cruise control" and the autopilot+ is completely removed? Or is there a difference in functionality between traffic aware cruise control and basic autopilot?

I've been eyeing getting a Model 3 this summer, but suddenly my backup R2 reservation is looking attractive

elons pay package is tied to fsd subs

I mean this isn't a surprise, it's writing that's been on the wall for awhile now. Autopilot has become a PR disaster for Tesla. Especially today since FSD is now as good as it is, and I say that because Autopilot kinda sucks compared to the competition. Even a base model Toyota Corolla or Hond Civic has Adaptive cruise control and lane keeping as standard, and works better That's where Tesla is really screwing up I think. Those should be standard features, and should be easily implemented, especially given their significantly more advanced and powerful hardware in comparison. I mean the Civic and Corolla only use a single camera system. Now they also want to raise the price of FSD. At $100 a month, FSD is already not cheap for many, especially when combined with your car payment and insurance. That's going to turn a lot of people off from actually using it, again. Raising the price with no real Unsupervised version yet is really ballsy. I can see $100 for FSD Supervised, then $150+ for Unsupervised, sure. But because the car lacks a basic adaptive cruise control and lane keeping system, that's highway robbery to raise FSD Supervised now. That's the least they could add.

Same here as well. I'll be fine with my 22MYLR until the Rivian R2 stabilizes. Gen2 R2 will be insane.

joe mode is a joke still loud

Oof. What a dramatic reduction in value prop.

Wait, so there's no way to get autosteer without FSD? I don't even want FSD, I just want autosteer (lane-keeping) on the highway.

You can configure the double click for autopilot, which when you take over, only turns off autosteer. The TACC continues on and you just have to re-enable autosteer with a double wheel click. It's still an annoyance, but it's more tolerable. My 2015 Acura would just turn lane keeping assist back on as soon as I completed my lane change, etc. I have to manually do it in my 2024 Tesla, and 2026 adopters don't even get something that has been in most cars for a decade.

I was about to upgrade my wife's car from a 2021 Model Y to the new 2026 Model Y. My wife won't use either FSD or Autopilot, but she *is* willing to use TACC. However, I definitely use Autopilot when I drive it. Without Autopilot, I am now unwilling to upgrade her car, since I don't want to give up Autopilot or FSD on highways, and I am not willing to pay $99/month just to use for me to use it once every few months.

Sorry, I’m not subscribing to a car. Looks like Elon is gonna have to make some improvements in other areas, because FSD and autopilot are the only reason to buy these cars in the first place. If I’m paying a subscription to use the defining features of the car, then that is all I expect to pay for the car. I am not buying a car AND a subscription to make the purchase work.

Called it. This is why they weren't worried about the thing in California. They dont have to rebrand autopilot if there is no autopilot.

I have 2023 Model Y. I enjoyed almost 9 months of free FSD. I have subscribed it twice paying $99 when I did road trip from TX to FL and TX to LA. Even though , it’s HW3. It de-stresses long drives. $8000 was never great for a technology that is heavily dependent on hardware. $8000 at 3.5% APY is $280 , Thats almost 3 months of FSD. So, never need to buy FSD.

Pretty sure this results of a court case because they don't like the name autopilot in the lawsuits.

Same here. My Model 3 is the best car I've ever owned (despite some things that I find irritating.) My plan was to get a Model Y for my wife in the not too distant future. Elon going off the rails was putting some stress on that plan. This news scorches it. I don't like FSD as well as I like plain autopilot. If they both were free, I would be using Autopilot.

Isn't it just a rename?

I’m disappointed because I love the Model 3 compact car design, and nothing else is close to it. I’ll have to wait until the Chinese competition comes in eventually. I want an MG convertible so bad!

Yeah, it'll go up with v15, whether that is unsupervised or not, I'm guessing. I'm kinda thinking they're going to only release unsupervised on HW5, so they don't have to grandfather in outright purchased FSD. They'll promise to back port it, but it'll either be vaporware or so long that HW4 cars are no longer very desirable, even in the used market.

Damn. Tesla just stopped one of the main reasons I'd stick with the brand for a new car. Luckily for me, my next car will be a model s, which won't be new because I won't pay new prices. But in two years I'll make sure I'll buy 2025 or early 2026 with autopilot and front camera. That car will get me another 6-8 years, by then I'm sure other brands will be comparable with tech. I don't like fsd, but love auto pilot.

This has to be somewhat of an strategic business move. I think Elon wants it’s customers to slowly move towards FSD, he highly boasts about it.

Autopilot is still available in my app for purchase, $1000. 2019 model 3 standard. I might have paid that price when the car was new (it was a $3,000 feature at the time), but no I don’t believe l be paying $1k for my 7 year old car. If you’re listening, Elon, a price I’d take today is probably in the range of $50 dollars. I def would not pay over $100.

I think that wording is intended to count the legacy non-subscription fsd cars in the total. For example, 1 million permanent FSD owners plus 9 million recurring subscribers would check the box.

I would like a “No lane changes unless necessary for navigation” setting.

Our next car was also going to be a Model Y... Now it won't be! Thanks Elon for actively pushing customers to Rivian's upcoming R2 model :D

Good thing Canada is going to be letting Chinese EVs enter the market here, cause my next purchase definitely won't be a Tesla.

He's a shit person, whats the surprise?

I'm a little confused what the difference is now, so the car will continue going forward at the same speed or slow down from traffic but you have to still turn the wheel?

It used to be that way until the NTSB got involved and made it shitty. Without evidence I claim Ford, GM, and other dinosaur auto put pressure on the government to keep the cool new awesome tech company from putting them out of business.

So the FSD subscription goes up to $199 next week too?

Adaptive cruise for my 2018 M3 when?

Well well well, that Rivian R2 is looking even better now.

FSD supports both the consumer vehicle and the Robotaxi branches of the company. VS autopilot which only supports consumer vehicle branch. Sounded like a waste of resources for a development pipeline; robotaxis are probably running on a separate fork of the FSD build for more agile updates for robotaxi supported towns (as well as expansion) and FSD is constantly being worked on outside of robot taxi supported areas for consumer vehicles on two different branches (stable and advanced). Why develop 3 different types of automation software, for several different makes and years of car hardware, when they effectively do the same thing? (Obviously with limited capacity in regards to autopilot) I'm sure eventually the goal would be to merge the robotaxi fork with the consumer one once it's model training has reached a point where it's parallel with human operated driving or better, for more streamline development pipeline.

Electric cars kind of suck now.

Tesla just open the door for other EVs. Bad move.

I hate Elon but isn't it kind of a bargain? $100/mo. vs $8000 upfront. If you do the math, it'll be a little over 6 years to make up for that $8000 granted it stays at that price which I doubt is the case, but I'm just basing my numbers on the current situation.

I have a 23 MXP, and just cancalled my FSD subscription... forget that. If they take it away from existing cars here in Canada, I'll just sue. BYD or the Volvo EM90 would make such a great addition to our country. I can't wait.

This is the first time since 2018 that I'd consider not buying a Tesla. A Tesla's automated driving features is really the only thing that makes it an obvious choice over the competition, and I just don't drive enough to make $99/mo worth it. A reasonable pay per use might convince me to stay with Tesla, but that's not an option as far as I know. I have a little bit of FOMO to transfer my FSD into another car before March 31, but I'm going to hold off. I don't want to make decisions based on FOMO, and if Teslas aren't the right car for me when I'm ready to get a new car, then that's fine, I'll look into the alternatives.

Tesla's next move is to scrap the FSD add-on options. You'll have to buy a Tesla with FSD built-in from the start. After that Elon can get the huge incentive. FSD will be a **mandated** feature

I mean, what is and isn't illegal seems to have become pretty squishy in the country Tesla is based in, especially if you're buddies with the boss.

Does this mean my autopilot on my 2023 Model Y is gone as of today?

If you purchase FSD (Supervised) by Feb 14th for use on a Tesla having version 4 FSD hardware, is there something in writing stating exactly what you are purchasing? Is it FSD (Supervised) only? Will it be FSD (Unsupervised) when that becomes available? Will this $8K purchase be allowed on the Tesla Robotaxi network when that becomes available? Would YOUR car be required to be on the Robotaxi network do things like pick you up at the airport? It would be nice to have these questions answered in writing!!

Good thing I bought my M3 just 7 months ago. Although this probably means I won't be buying another one for my next car.

So am i getting a refund or what…

The BMW i series with DAPP is looking a whole lot nicer now….

Put a sticker on the camera

So this is for new cars going forward right? If I purchase an older model autopilot is still available? Or are they removing it all together

I think this significantly alters the value proposition of the car. It would’ve been a more difficult purchase to validate for me personally if autopilot wasn’t included. Especially now with other brands beginning to include similar features for free (although they’re not great, but still). Tesla should at the bare minimum offer some cheaper tiers… I doubt ordinary people want to pay $100 a month for FSD. Hell I love tech and I won’t pay that lol. And I sure as hell won’t be buying another Tesla after this one if autopilot isn’t included with the purchase

What’s the difference between basic auto pilot and traffic aware auto pilot

Imagine the amount of Teslas that could be sold if they were all sold with FSD included.

Enshittification

Micro transactions for your car.. as a "gamer", Elon should know better.

Wait so once we update software autopilot gets removed???

Yup. And he doesn't even have to keep the price at 99/month. He can slash it to hit the goal right?

Dogshit move lol.

And couldn't be bothered to fix it. But yeah. He only gets his trillion dollar bonus if there are FSD subscriptions. Most people don't want FSD. But would like lane keeping.

Wait does the old models still have autopilot ? I have a 22. Will my autopilot be gone?

Autopilot includes auto steer which keeps the car in the lane automatically so you don’t have to hold steering wheel. Traffic aware cruise control requires you to steer.l and only regulated speed like basic cruise control.

New purchases only.

Autopilot isn't better than other brands are giving. But you're right that it's as much of 'self driving' as people actually want. Most people simply don't want FSD.

No lol new purchase only

This won't last as other cars have better built-in software than what Tesla is currently offering.

I do not want FSD on the highway. Screw this.

Lmao ghetto

If you don’t take next update would it still discontinue?

After 10 years of full self driving, all I can say is it sucks.

So they don't believe FSD sells. They need to force it on people.

Aren’t they the same thing? Tesla was sued in California as the state believed calling it “autopilot” was misleading. I just wonder if they are simply renaming autopilot to “traffic aware cruise control”.

ok ... so if I have it now it won't be taken away?

eye opening to the cybertruck never having autopilot features. i got a year trial for FSD in the cybertruck about 8-10 months ago. i was hoping that there was going to be autopilot developed in that time.

Very disappointing move. I recommend a HARD STOP on buying a Tesla until autopilot returns. Only buy one if you're actually buying FSD outright between now and Feb 14th.

One feature at a time we are transitioning to "A Tesla is the least fun you thing you can buy." That said, at the right price, unsupervised FSD with sleeping in your car sounds really nice!

You mean Traffic Hallucinating Cruise Control. FIVE PLUS years and each of the two S's I've owned have had random phantom braking whenever THAC is turned on. Exceedingly dangerous, potentially accident-causing if a vehicle is behind you esp a truck, and the car decides to pull one of its hallucinatory freakouts and slow from say 75mph on a long lonely stretch of interstate, to 40, with a semitruck behind you. Tesla Service STILL refuses to even speak when I bring it up, as I have every time I have visited a service center since 2020. They just give you this "the lawyers told us to not speak" stare. I long for the "dumb cruise control" that my first 2013 Model S had. It Just Worked.

That’s actually so stupid, I would never buy a tesla without autopilot

Am I understanding this right? In order to get Level 2 lane keep assist you need to pay a $99/month subscription? That feature is standard on almost every new car sold. Ridiculous

Yup, never buying another Tesla

Completely agree. Although HW3 FSD is adequate, HW4 FSD is close to amazing.

I just wear sunglasses to avoid nags

I bought my Tesla (used) because I like the way it drives, the generally excellent features etc…I knew exactly what I was getting myself into - I remain very skeptical that real FSD is coming anytime in the near future. And to say I’m skeptical of Elon Musk would be an understatement. I think this nonsense with FSD and Autopilot just hammers home how much disdain he has for Tesla’s customers, and how stoked he is for that fat paycheck. I also will never buy another Tesla again if he continues down this path.

Seems to be a case of awful re-branding. According to their website, it’s now called TACC with Autosteer. The comparison chart still lists it.

Perhaps it has something to do with the court order in California.

When I bought mine, it came with ‘enhanced autopilot’, and I did not pay for FSD because I did not believe it would ever become legally allowable in the United States within the time I would own the car. I bought in 2018 and while I still have no desire to sell/upgrade my car I think my bet will be good.

So no lame keep assit ? Isn’t that making things ~less~ safe?

So when I buy a $100k base S, it won’t auto steer? My ford edge does this for 1/3 the price. Insane. Bye T.

Model S and X still have FSD supervised listed as part of the Luxe package

I wonder if my non monthly fsd and autopilot car gains resale value?

He also said Tesla would stop selling cars to the public and only manufacture cars for the Tesla owned robotaxi/cybercab (oops cybercab was not copyrighted by Tesla) fleet

Respond accordingly. Let everyone know you don't get autosteer no more and other car makers give it for free. Don't encourage buying Tesla. Simple as that.

Just don’t update then…?

What is TACC? Adaptive cruise control and lane keeping warning (not centering)?

That's one way to help address plummeting used Tesla prices.

Competitors haven’t been “catching up” for like 3 years at this point. Tesla is firmly in the dust They blew a lead so big that Intel would be jealous

The recent update to my FSD is doing something shady. Whenever the car gets close to another car it automatically disengage where it used to stay engaged. This happens even when that closeness was caused by the FSD itself, such as turning left right after a car speed pass.

Sad. I was forever hoping autopilot would get better and better but this will be my last Tesla.

We pay the monthly subscription fee for FSD although I don’t know why as half the time it doesn’t work and the other half of the time it penalizes me and won’t come on at all.

this is an open competition problem. let BYD (example) and others sell here... then lets see who wins. maybe BYD will be free?

This sucks. Autopilot is my favorite feature, I don’t trust FSD but I like the lane assist and smart cruise control that autopilot gives. My lease is up in 18 months, I was going to go from a M3 to MY but now I guess I need to look at other brands. :(

He should be paying owners to use fsd. Tesla needs the data and people paying for fsd are just elons guinea pigs

Its one of the main reasons I bought a model 3, I didn't care about FSD "promise". The competition is surpassing or getting very close to Tesla these days, I doubt I'll buy another one.

I wish there was a $5/day option. Or a $0.10 / mile.

No reason to buy a Tesla anymore

Looks like I won't be going Tesla again when my lease is up

Will my 2023 MY and my 2025 M3 still have it? Will there be a software update to remove autopilot? This is nuts.

Bro have you been paying attention federal regulation means nothing in 2026

I have HW4 and my FSD goes crazy if I even look at the screen to turn on the AC. I hate it, but I have not tried it for a few months so maybe like you said newer version are better.

Tesla isn't a business that actually sells products. They're like crypto, only focused on speculators and investors. Their products are irrelevant until the "market" actually cares about them.

i was mid purchase on a MY when this change happened. Order screen had auto pilot hit place order > car unavailable > find same car >Traffic-Aware Cruise Control. Guess ill just keep my M3. once thing i cant stand is that there always playing around with price/features all the time.

I literally put in my reservation for a used Y, hours before this... all of my screenshots during my ordering process show "autopilot" included. I see all used cars now show "traffic aware cruise". Are the literally going to take this away from me before I get the car delivered...???

Great move to end the “autopilot” name. Caused so much confusion for people not very familiar with the software (name constantly used interchangeably with FSD), it was a legal liability. Now there is no confusion between what is basically cruise control and FSD. This is long overdue and was necessary before the large scale rollout of unsupervised FSD.

man what a joke.

If BYD ever starts selling in the US, it’ll be the end of Tesla.

It's a disease. With anything besides money, we call it "hoarding."

I'd like to know why someone would want 1T fucking dollars.

Whelp. I won't be buying another tesla if it has no AP.

Well, guess I have another reason to never upgrade. If they want to push me to FSD they can make it permanently transferable / tied to my account / lifetime purchase, otherwise I guess I'm good where I'm at for the foreseeable future, or until another company does it all better.

Yeah I’ll never buy a 2026+ Tesla if they maintain this

What a shame. Imagine this scenario in the entire world.

This was like the only reason to buy this car compared to other EV’s.

Not a positive move unless FSD is lowered to $15/month.  Autopilot was a major reason I bought a MY

I'm certainly not buying another Tesla without the autopilot, it was perfect for my needs. Hope they won't sabotage the old autopilot to force people into the fsd sub!

Yeah, this is bs. I am not buying another Tesla. R2 is starting to look more appealing by the minute

Is this just for new sales? Or will they remove it from existing cars? I'm never going to install another update.

Don't forget you also lose standard connectivity in 8 years.

As a day one MYP owner, this will make the jump to Rivian easy

Well that sounds terrible. I was going to get a Y but now I'll wait for a Rivian R2

had a solid and very sure plan to purchase a model Y next year that would turn into my daughters car when she turned 16 a couple of years later. this has 100% effected my decision making process on the purchase. i had no plans of using FSD as it wasn’t necessary for my needs, and was absolutely not going to offer it to my daughter who needs to learn the fundamentals of driving. stupid stupid move by tesla.

Should rename the company to Trojan Motors for the way they invade your wallet.

Not true - Literally there. Just checked. Click this link- https://www.tesla.com/model3. Then click compare models. You’ll see it

Only Americans have to pay while other countries don’t… because AMERICA FIRST … got it /s

Why does he even need that trillion dollar pay package anyway? At the expense of his customers. Pretty sure he will pass away and without having enjoyed 1% of his current wealth/net worth.

it is actually. I'm not aware of any other LKA or "pilot" mode that can do local unmarked (no white or yellow lines) roads at any speed. Maybe the Chinese brands can.

intel hw3 FSD package here it’s been 5 years MCU is really getting old any ACTUAL plans?? like HW5 with AMD OR BETTER UPGRADE? or tesla just want lawsuit

2018 S with fully paid FSD. Still waiting for it to do what was promised… HW3 FSD isn’t great.

Unfortunately the mapping and dropping TACC and lane keep on random spots or lense glare is a pan. Rare enough but I don’t think the disengagement model is safe. It’s too fast. I wish they’d do a minor refinement on that part but otherwise love the R1T. https://preview.redd.it/rb46il0axbfg1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=effbaa023e1045ef28765c5055b1790e21b6bf57

Can someone confirm if this autopilot feature will be taken away from existing Tesla that are already sold with the next software update? Or the existing Tesla won't be impacted?

Honda does this too and has for nearly a decade. I generally like to be in total control of my car so I don’t use autopilot often. But man it fights you if you need to change lanes. It’s fine dude, I signaled, just keep lane assisting in the new lane.

The way I see it: FSD is a service - like renting a jetski, I pay the hourly or daily fee and use it when I want to use it or need it. Why should we pay a monthly ($99) fee for a service we would only use less than 10% of the time ($9.9), in a month (720 hrs). Now - Standard Autopilot on the other hand - I had read Elon stated "Airplanes have basic autopilot! Why not cars?" and that would explain why it has always been an included feature of a Tesla. So my choices would be: Keep free Autopilot or cheaper FSD fees ($5/day).

I just purchased FSD for $2,000 on a 2023 model. I thought it was worth the price given I’d been subscribing for about a four months.

This won’t last. Once Toyota, and others have competing vehicles, there’s not a chance it will be a subscription.

And now cyber truck never gettng autopilot and only getting fsd makes, sense. Gads.

If Tesla's dropping my autopilot, I might as well go elsewhere. There are plenty of other EV's with serviceable autopilot. That was a huge selling point for me to get my Model 3 in the first place

oooof, so hold on. Either you get FSD or nothing??????

Forcing the 10M autopilot users pay package by giving the consumer no choice....should've known....ughh this guy sucks.

Absolute mug if anyone continues to buy a Tesla.

Wait until like every other car can do it... then remove it as a feature from their cars. Might get more people on OpenPilot, though. 🤷‍♂️

AP is not getting turned off on used Teslas If someone buys a used one I hope... that would suck.

So it's only going to be adaptive cruise control with no lane keep assist?

As if anyone needed more reasons to not buy this junk.

In my opinion, Tesla’s decision to discontinue autopilot is an absolutely creepy move. I’m not sure if they can implement this change for existing owners. If they do, they can technically start charging for each individual feature since the entire vehicle is software-driven and essentially a giant IoT device. This is unacceptable.

This is incredibly shortsighted

I just purchased a brand new Model Y with the black headliner yesterday and it was listed with only having TACC. Picked it up today and it still shows/has Autosteer (Beta) in the settings.

Man, I'm more thankful every day my 2013 MS doesn't have anything more advanced than basic cruise control.

I was literally in the process of buying an M3 Performance too. Luckily my wife fell asleep today(Saturday) or I would have had everything submitted tonight, luckily I logged onto Reddit and saw it was removed or I would have sent everything in the AM. I sent a couple emails to the sales guy I’ve been working with, but I already see everything available on the lot has been update to remove it. I’m not moving forward with a purchase on a new one if it’s not there, I don’t even want a Tesla product anymore after this tbh.

With FSD I’d not found a way to just use autopilot. :-/

Such a regressive decision! Rather than incentivizing current Tesla owners to subscribe to FSD for a nominal price and get free data to train the AI and make it better they are limiting the usage! I have 4 Teslas in my family, I can’t buy FSD for all the cars! They should have a family sharing plan to incentivize loyal customers rather than penalizing and retrograding the existing features and capabilities. Allow Chinese ev imports in USA and bring on the competition! Let’s see if Tesla will still be able to remove features and add on FSD subscription pricing!

I pulled the trigger on a new Y premium with the $8k FSD for pick up 2/2. To get in before 2/14. We alway keep our cars 10+ years. Tesla has permitted transfers of FSD in the past. God willing if we're in the market for a new vehicle in 2035, there may be a transfer permitted. It will be a good incentive to sell new vehicles at no cost to Tesla.

means it was always a scam, lmfao

Supervised should be free, and unsupervised is what people would actually be willing to pay for. Even if they are the same product with an attention monitor on the free one. Essentially that payment is liability insurance for Tesla.

This is going to hurt. I would have thought of buying but not now. Not going to pay 8k upfront, and the 100/mo could go up anytime. It’s supposed to be a fun car to drive, so why the fsd? I don’t want it-renting it once in a while is fine. Now they have the worst standard safety package in the industry.

If they don’t bring fsd to something like 20$ or bring back autopilot included, that might be my last Tesla sadly. I can afford a 100$/months FSD. I simply do not want to spend my money that way. Even if I could sleep in my driving car.

This was needed for the trillion $ pay package

There goes the intuitive reason to buy a Tesla over any of the competition. Lets not also forget how many people who'll be caught out when the FM radio stops working after 8 years and becomes part of the premium connectivity cost...

Musk making a decision to dumb down Teslas for his own benefit at the expense of the overall company, the brand image, and future customers is utter garbage. It's obvious the Tesla board is spineless. Even a Corolla has lane centering. I've bought two Teslas. No way in hell I would buy another without basic lane centering.

I once had a CEO tell me that if we sell 100 x of something costing $1000 rather than 1000 x of something costing $100, we make the same amount of money! Yeah, that math is correct, the issue was that our clients were used to the $100 price and we're glad to pay it, they didn't want to pay $1000 for the exact same thing. What I mean by that is that there are absolutely people out there making counter intuitive decisions thinking they are masterminds.

Agreed FSD for city driving is great. Highway forget about it. Until it has a "go this speed and no faster" setting and as you said, don't change lanes unless needed for nav". If the speed limit is 65 and I'm doing 67 behind a car there's no need to change lanes.

So should I not update my car anymore cause my autopilot is going bye bye or just new ones?