M1A1Death
2025-12-06 16:27
They really want people to use FSD lol.
I hate to break it to them, but $112 a month is more than most people are willing to pay for something they’ll only use on the highway a few times a month
kosmkram
2025-12-06 16:37
Have you tried Fsd 14? Because it's let you see what % and how many miles you have driven fsd vs regular driving. I'm at 80% fsd and now with 14.2.1 I can be on my phone. This is a game changer. We'll worth $100 a month.
GenghisFrog
2025-12-06 16:37
I’m on free trial right now. It’s sooo good at this point. Still don’t think I’d pay $100/mo. $50 a month and I’m in 100%.
Mikep976
2025-12-06 16:43
Huh. When I was 15 I wanted a car for Christmas so bad. Now I can gift my parents a driver with the skills of a 15 year old. Truly the perfect circle.
Itchy_Ad_451
2025-12-06 16:49
I hope they will not crash using it : bad Santa 🎅
Space_Monkey_42
2025-12-06 16:58
“Hey, I’ve paid an absurd amount of money for a software update called Full Self Driving, the car is nowhere near full self driving though. But I don’t think I’m getting robbed enough, so here you go my friend…”
umamiking
2025-12-06 17:13
My friend and I both have 2026 Junipers but we drive so seldomly we wish they sold FSD by the week or day or even in hour batches. I’d definitely buy it on a need basis.
imacleopard
2025-12-06 17:40
I’m on 32% on a juniper and have FSD from a HW3 transfer. Knowing what it can do, if I were to buy another HW4 capable vehicle I’d think long and hard about actually tacking on an extra $100 to my monthly expenses
ArtificialSugar
2025-12-06 18:02
I use it for 95%+ of my miles. 162K+ miles in Teslas the past 6 years. It’s insanely good these days.
yugi_motou
2025-12-06 18:04
i’m at 89% & my recent positive experiences are shared with every owner i speak to nowadays.
it’s unfortunate that the terrible past state of FSD is preventing early adopters from trying it earnestly again. a shame really
MrFro9
2025-12-06 18:08
Depends on how much you drive and what you value your time at. I have a few roadtrips coming up and I’m 100% subbing for those months.
yugi_motou
2025-12-06 18:11
THOUSANDS of real engineers are working on this technology every single day, and millions of safe miles are driven in the same time
being ignorant is unfortunate, staying ignorant is a choice. you don’t need to use your snark as a way to detract a new technology due to growing pains… you’ve become the luddite that history will laugh at, like that one legendary forum thread of people being similarly snarky against the first iPhone.
Da_WooDr
2025-12-06 18:19
What you mean you can be on your phone
LBTerra
2025-12-06 18:23
I don’t think anyone is faulting the technological advancements but rather the disingenuous optimism from Elon. He keeps saying that HW3 owners will be able to use all the features and have full self driving. However, the reality is that as we move closer and closer to true level 5 self driving autonomy, the current hardware isn’t going to cut it.
Until I can hop in my car and fall asleep in it while it drives for me, all of these extra features are personally not worth it if I have to babysit and supervise the car. I know that my model Y is never going to be able to achieve that so at this point, it’s a waste of money.
Omacrontron
2025-12-06 18:34
I thought everyone was dumb as a box of rocks for purchasing a Mac back when they first came out. Dial up internet…really? Now look at us.
Present-Ad-9598
2025-12-06 18:39
In low intensity scenarios like clear roads or slow traffic, the new update lets you look at your phone for WAY longer.
CousinEddysMotorHome
2025-12-06 18:40
I use it every weekday for my 1 hr, each way commute. It absolutely changes the game for that.
CousinEddysMotorHome
2025-12-06 18:42
Sounds like you haven't used it much lately.
VeryRealHuman23
2025-12-06 18:44
Same, it’s good enough to be heavily marketed and whatnot.
But $100 a month, not worth it for most people.
ncwd
2025-12-06 18:55
I’ve been using it for every drive since the free trial hit. 50 a month would be intriguing
ncwd
2025-12-06 18:56
Do you pay the sub or the full 8k or whatever it is?
aliph
2025-12-06 18:56
No, it's amazing. I use it to drive my kids to school everyday.
Electronic-Juice-359
2025-12-06 18:58
Elon, if you want people to use FSD, please lower the price to $3.5k 🙏 or $30/mo. $8k is too much and most people (middle class) would hesitate to buy it off.
ncwd
2025-12-06 18:59
30 seconds of not looking at the road. It’s a long time lol!
Dolo12345
2025-12-06 19:11
“Well worth $100 a month” no it’s not for most people lol
Psyko007
2025-12-06 19:21
Love FSD, I’m at 90% utilization. This is an interesting tactic to get more users. I don’t know about HW3 but in HW4 it’s absolutely worth it.
ArtificialSugar
2025-12-06 19:28
Bought it on my first Tesla, transferred to my second
kosmkram
2025-12-06 19:34
https://x.com/i/status/1996773287171637569
kosmkram
2025-12-06 19:42
Personally I feel the hw4 cars can already achieve the "go to sleep and wake up in a different location" dream. I drove from Ohio to Florida (18 hour drive) 2 times in past 10 months and Fsd drove the entire way. I took over 0 times. It even parked at each supercharger spot.
LBTerra
2025-12-06 19:44
Ok now add in volatile weather like snow, heavy rain, poorly lit roads, etc.
kosmkram
2025-12-06 19:46
Yep. I went through a snow storm in Kentucky and a couple crazy storms in Florida. 0 interruptions.
Appz_
2025-12-06 20:37
Especially for HW3 😭
RazingsIsNotHomeNow
2025-12-06 21:00
What does valuing your time matter. FSD doesn't speed up your drive and it's not like you can pull out your laptop and do work while you still have to supervise it. This has nothing to do with the value of your time.
Present-Ad-9598
2025-12-06 21:09
Much longer than 5-7 seconds
diezel_dave
2025-12-06 21:21
Yep that's right about the sweet spot for me too. At $8k, all I can do is laugh at the absurd price for something I still have to sit there and babysit. Almost ripped me off the road at 70 mph last night because it got confused at the faded lane lines, so I certainly don't think it's worth $8k yet.
JustinVincib1e
2025-12-06 21:24
Same here
diezel_dave
2025-12-06 21:29
It's really good *most of the time.* It's the other .1% of the time where it makes me go "what the actual hell?!"
yugi_motou
2025-12-06 22:21
they specifically addressed that in this year’s annual shareholder meeting. They literally said “they are our early adopters, we will take care of them [one way or another]” in reference to HW3 owners. Ashok (FSD head) also said they are releasing a FSD v14 Lite for them next year.
those who pay attention to the actual company and sit through these boring calls know what’s actually going on. those who only read headlines are openly flaunting their ignorance, and the fact that they’ve been shutting their mind off due to their own biases. does the truth even matter? this is a subreddit about the company, if you have a hot take, please do your research.
also, to you point, FSD v14.2 added a percentage tracker for FSD miles driving. I’ve driven 500 miles since then, 95% of which was on FSD. The last 5% is just me finding parking and driving around local neighborhoods.
FSD has already replaced that much of my driving. What’s funnier is that in my mind, i had all the exact same concerns you did, so now I get to be on the other side of this argument. The data has proven me wrong, it’s already replacing ME driving
TLDR: FSD v14 tracker proved to me that my human driving is being replaced.
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2025-12-06 22:36
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chickdigger802
2025-12-06 22:51
I also agree there should be other options. Generally wfh the last few years so maybe drive a few times a week for the gym and other chores? Maybe offer in days/weeks/ miles packages?
And yea parents barely use autopilot, let alone cruise control before. aint no way they wont get high blood pressure having a car drive around themselves lol.
MrFro9
2025-12-07 01:10
lol 😂
ChunkyThePotato
2025-12-07 02:14
Why do you suggest this as if they don't know that a product having a lower price increases its quantity demanded? And why stop at $30? Why not go to $15? How about $10? Or $5? Or $1?
LanceUpperrrcut
2025-12-07 02:16
I would gladly pay $8k if FSD was licensed to the user, not the car.
blonded_olf
2025-12-07 02:42
Releasing a gimped version of v14 (aka… not v14) in a year isn’t taking care of people who you told had the necessary hardware for actual full self driving
pjax_
2025-12-07 03:27
You clearly haven't tried it yourself.
Yes, FSD is not perfect. It makes mistakes. But the 99% of the time that it works is pretty awesome. It's pretty sweet when you're doing a road trip and is well worth the $100.
yugi_motou
2025-12-07 03:45
that’s not all they’re doing… even in my comment i mentioned that they will take care of them, and “also” will give them a lite v14 too.
someone who only reads headlines replies to a comment about people who only read headlines…
just fyi, you can generate better real time information summaries using AI now, if you don’t have time to follow every news and every world event, which most people don’t and that’s ok. But it’s now a choice if you want to stay ignorant.
[I asked AI to summarize the facts for you.](https://imgur.com/a/XDevVaU)
Mikep976
2025-12-07 04:02
Clearly not, I’ve only had it since the day I bought my 3 in 2021.
I’d recommend learning the difference between being able to look at something objectively and see the flaws, and just believing dear leader in everything they say.
blonded_olf
2025-12-07 04:08
I am pretty sure that everything in your comment reinforces my point even more... So now this V14 lite isn't going to "take care of" HW3 owners, because even they know that they aren't ever going to get the results out of HW3 that they need, so they will kick the can down the road with vague statements. I also find it ironic that you are on a high horse about "staying ignorant" and then directly admit that you can't even read an article for yourself. I love my HW3 model 3 and would buy another model 3 in a heartbeat but lets not pretend that the execs aren't blowing smoke up the rear end of HW3 owners.
yugi_motou
2025-12-07 04:22
alright, i’ll admit i don’t know if this is the best solution. but releasing actual features, even late, is not the same as kicking the can down the road. given the current situation, what can really be done? they need to solve FSD for the majority customers first. HW3 cars like yours and mine are a smaller population by the day. as an owner, it’s not the worst solution, and it’s something tangible
i’m not trying to be on a high horse, apologies if it seems that way. i was just getting tired of arguing with people who have always had the wrong information. my point is they’re doing something about this problem within the bounds of their business constraints, and that’s as far as my point goes really
at the end of the day, they’ll probably just give us $250 in credits or 3 months of free FSD towards a new Tesla or something…
xyz19606
2025-12-07 04:22
I drove in Florida today for 30 minutes; it was dark, and it was raining. FSD was not happy at all, and wanted me to take over.
kosmkram
2025-12-07 06:40
What software version are you on? Hardware on your car?
IntelligentAnswer321
2025-12-07 11:53
HW4 makes a huge difference
Mikep976
2025-12-07 12:17
Ah, yes. Elon logic. Selling my $50K+ Car that was sold on being able to autonomously drive for another one “but for realsy this time, pink promise” is a perfectly rational thing to do.
Able_Statistician688
2025-12-07 12:36
Exactly. It’s a stupid price point. Anyone who can afford to buy it out right, is probably fiscally responsible enough to do the math on cost per month. And that same person probably isn’t keeping their car for the 7 years it would take to break even. They upgrade.
Moderately_Opposed
2025-12-07 14:57
The "fatigue" it reduces is taking my foot off the gas, same as autopilot/cruise control. I still have to pay attention. Lemme know when I can read a book and otherwise comfortably ignore the way it cuts off people and changes lanes too much. Having to pay attention means I micromanage it lol.
xyz19606
2025-12-07 16:01
2025.38.9.6 HW4
cmdr-William-Riker
2025-12-07 16:39
Haven't checked in a while, do they sell FSD for the same price for both HW3 and HW4?
RED-DOT-MAN
2025-12-07 21:54
I would Pay $5K as FSD is tied to the vehicle. At $8K it needs to be a user tied service so I can carry it to my next Tesla. With the FTC gone this would be the perfect way to boost sales for existing owners and potential customers who may be on the fence. Nothing is wrong with OP’s suggestion or having a conversation.
noahmbrady
2025-12-07 23:00
This would be even better if they allowed you to use Tesla Credits to buy them. My wife has $250 in Tesla Credits from when I bought my MY. She barely drives where I drive everywhere for work. I want to use her credits, that she can use to buy herself FSD, to buy me FSD but I can't use them.
sharkykid
2025-12-08 00:51
Which is not good enough when the 0.1% consequence can be death
jrherita
2025-12-08 02:36
The Atari ST and Amiga were much more fun :)
jrherita
2025-12-08 02:37
fwiw, I'm not sure HW4 will be enough to fully solve FSD, but HW4 + FSD14 is a league ahead of HW3 FSD.
ChunkyThePotato
2025-12-08 03:18
And I'm sure if they made it $5k some people would say that it's too much and they need it to be $3k to buy.
I just think the conversation is silly. Obviously more people would buy a product if that product is cheaper. This is Economics 101.
ItsAGoodDay
2025-12-08 04:05
You’re based jaded and using hw3. It’s truly incredible at what it can do and I recommend you try it. This isn’t dear leader, Elon is an ass, but fsd isn’t vaporware. I can regularly do entire drives without touching the wheel, driveway to parking spot with total trust in the system
CousinEddysMotorHome
2025-12-08 05:00
Have you met a human?
Former-Discount4279
2025-12-08 07:44
Send them to people you hate.
VideoGameJumanji
2025-12-08 10:51
They do but the difference in performance at this stage is pretty much the same. The only real improvement is reliant on hardware differences for certain things and the fact that HW4 is running a model that can handle more edges case situations. When V14 comes to HW3, the gap will again just be limited to a few things the new hardware enables
HW4 has much better cameras and sensors but HW3 already performs remarkably well, they really juiced the maximum potential out of that hardware
VideoGameJumanji
2025-12-08 10:52
Lmfao
456e6f6368
2025-12-08 14:06
I'd seriously like to know what research data was used to determine this was a good idea
cmdr-William-Riker
2025-12-08 19:20
I have HW3 and my car came with FSD and I have driven HW4 and there are definitely feature differences and performance differences and they have stated it will never be able to support true autonomy. The value that you get from HW3 is less, but they charge the same amount. There is not a marginal difference, that is a significant difference. HW3 FSD is good, but it is not the same as HW4 FSD.
MrSassyPants
2025-12-08 20:33
Exactly what I am planning on for a spring break trip across the US next year. 1 month to make the drive so much more relaxing.
Pifto
2025-12-08 22:39
You don’t need to do that at all. However if you are going to try to speak to the ability’s of the system with any degree of accuracy I would think you should be speaking about the current version not one that came out a year ago and was a lite version of the current software at that time.
Mikep976
2025-12-08 23:15
What do you mean? I’m speaking about, and think it’s valid, the fact that myself and fellow HW3 were promised full autonomous driving, hands off, all the goodies. All HW3 owners are now being forgotten about with a “promise” we’ll see an upgrade. Within that upgrade, we’re relying on Elon’s statement it’ll happen, of which I’m happy to post direct example of Elon’s past success percentages on his statements.
VideoGameJumanji
2025-12-09 00:03
I already outlined what the key differences are. When they were both on 12.6.X they were indescribable. The main differences right now can be better compared once V14 comes to HW3.
HW4 is better value now because it gets the updates first. But the performance of FSD on the latest version of HW3 is already spectacular and worth the price. The minor things HW4 currently does aren’t worth selling and getting a new car, the only main improvements are with better edge case handling but it still is up in the air if that will come anyways when HW3 gets V14 and like i said, the gap again becomes tiny.
The only point it will be worthwhile to upgrade is when HW4 definitively becomes L4 capable. But there
cmdr-William-Riker
2025-12-09 01:30
With HW4 I can push a button, have it drive to a destination and park itself. I cannot do that with HW3, definitely missing features and should definitely be highlighted to anyone who's about to drop 8k on a software upgrade for a used car. Not to mention the stability problems with HW3. My car hit a deer with HW3 FSD enabled, after taking it in they told me that had I had HW4, it might not have hit the deer. The current HW3 model will try to drive me off the edge of the road on a roundabout every time. HW4 will not. Try driving the two versions for a while, then tell me there are only minor differences.
BackgroundAd6711
2025-12-09 03:57
How about make it 5 bucks per day or 24 hours make alot more that way
buttercheetah
2025-12-09 19:32
No one is saying that HW3 users were not screwed over, they most certainly were, but the software commonly known as FSD is only operating at its full effectiveness on HW4. At least, until AI5, or whatever, releases. It's unfair to say that FSD is driving like a 15 year old when you are only taking into consideration an outdated version on an outdated model.
wolo-exe
2025-12-10 22:15
a lot has changed since then lol
Xaxxon
2025-12-10 23:20
Sucks for you if you got suckered by their "we promise gen 2 hardware is enough for full self driving" advertisement blog post and they won't upgrade you for free for rentals.
Swastik496
2025-12-12 04:50
no he shouldn’t, because that is what tesla is offering.
Swastik496
2025-12-12 04:50
The “outdated” version is the latest version offered.
If tesla doesn’t want it to be referred to as FSD, then upgrade the hardware. cheap fucks won’t though.
r3dd1t0rxzxzx
2025-12-15 22:54
HW4 is better than most drivers out there. I think HW3 is still behind
r3dd1t0rxzxzx
2025-12-15 22:56
They should let you pay per usage (eg per mile looking back)
Impressive_Kitchen28
2025-12-16 03:12
I wish they had a daily option. Several time I’ve wished I had it for a long drive. I’d love $10/24hrs option.
Da_WooDr
2025-12-16 21:31
You know what I did notice, you're right. And thanks for letting me know it's 30 seconds.
Present-Ad-9598
2025-12-17 01:34
👍🏻