The new Model Y Performance has V2L capability

Here's a link to the post [https://x.com/Tesla/status/1973446369861050476](https://x.com/Tesla/status/1973446369861050476)

I never thought I'd see this happen.

I really hope someone figures out a retrofit for the other Junipers. I would love this feature so much. I’m using an EcoFlow Delta to do semi-V2L and would love to just go native.

How are you doing that, just using the 12v socket?

Long overdue

The good news is if the hardware allows for it, then it’s just software update which will arrive. But we don’t know yet if there is a hardware requirement for it.

What is the Tesla Outlet Adaptor?

So, interesting they’re responding to someone who stated 220v 11.5kw output. But their response was 120v 20 amps output

Very, VERY limited capabilities

So this is just to power small 120v items and can’t act as a powerwall for the house correct?

Probably talking about this. You plug it in the end of the mobile adapter. https://shop.tesla.com/product/powershare-outlet-adapter?sku=1782853-20-D

i would hardly say it’s limited.

No 240V support, no V2H support

Well 99% of the things I would use this for are powered on a 120v circuit... I'd love to have V2H for the twice a year my power goes out for a couple hours but I wouldn't call every other 120v plug in device "very limited." I'd still use it to plug in my fridge in an outage.

That someone is Grok

Awesome! Finally some real upgrades!

Yes, V2L. You're thinking of V2H.

V2L is pretty useful in emergency situations as your car becomes a giant power bank for your critical appliances, like the fridge/freezer, space heater, etc.

Retrofit all the way down to 2023, I would be a happy camper!

I agree, but I think it’s a very Apple move to keep PowerShare from the Y

what about V2DEEZ

Assuming it's not limited to the US, I would imagine the international cars will have 240v support

Deez nuts?

That would be encouraging. If so, I’d be interested in trying to force 240V on the US version.

Tesla is like apple now. Falling behind in features and slowly adding features from competitors. Where's the innovation

It's a hardware/firmware limitation, not a software lock. It uses a different converter from the Cybertruck

Inverter?

Do you have a source? Given that this news was just revealed, I’m not sure how you know that.

Electrek says it can do 11.5kw / 240? Are they wrong? https://electrek.co/2025/10/01/tesla-confirms-new-model-y-performance-supports-bidirectional-charging/

I don’t have anything essential on 220, except my hotub.

Yep! Which limits how long I can sustain a load over 100 watts, which is what the 12v outlet outputs back into the EcoFlow.

Yes. I’m doing the same with my 2021 Y. I have it input ~120w while using ~220w for fridge and freezer during outages, then during the day I have two 200w solar panels I connect in to regain what was lost overnight.

I’d hardly call a hot tub “essential”

Existing Tesla can provide power from their charge ports. Several manufacturer’s make adapters that draw power from the high voltage main batteries and covert it to standard a/c levels.

Just so you know, using any non-V2L vehicle as a stationary power source will literally void your warranty

Yes, and you’ll literally void your warranty if you do it. (I urge you to read the part of your warranty where it mentions using your vehicle as a “stationary power source”)

Is it a Time Machine? It would be essential if so

So let me get this right, you want hot nuts?

🤗

About time

Ya but it coming out as dc coupled is very difficult to actually use above a small 4-500w load, ideally this would be like the cyber truck PowerShare and output 11.5kw at 240AC, all owing backfeeding into the house using ac couple, it’s not difficult, they just need to conform to UL1741 just like a micro inverter (only supplying power when the grid is up).

240V would give the option of cheap home backup - simply plug into generator inlet

For those small amperage it’s all integrated into the dongle that plugs into the charge port

That’s not relevant. The hardware is in the car. The dongle doesn’t do anything.

There were deep dives on Tesla onboard charger for 3/Y like 3 years ago or so, check YT. It literally is unable to provide reverse AC power to the charging port pins due to the charger design.

You don't have AC or heat pump or electric oven?

Strange to use CT in photo as it has 120 and 240V outlets in the bed

Yea they worried this would cut into powerwall sales and add discharge cycles

Don’t know what you are talking about Tesla, had mobile charger plugged in and power went out

It’s the only vehicle that supports it currently until the MYP is released.

Gas stove, furnace, fireplace and hot water heater. I guess I could do without the hot tub, in a life or death situation. I’m in the PNW. It doesn’t get too hot or too cold. Electricity is $.08 per Kwhr. It costs practically nothing to charge my car either.

Not all Cybertrucks. The RWD don’t have the outlets

About time, should be in every car.

Why does it specifically call out the gen 3 mobile charger?

I have the same setup. Fyi if you buy two 12v socket cables (xt60i) and have the ecoflow delta 3 , you can use both 12v socket ports in the Y and pull around 220w continuous since there are also two independent 12v socket inputs on the ecoflow. Both sockets in the y are independently wired and can run around 120w each since they are actually ~16v.

Fyi also  https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1nvljxy/comment/nha9pfm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Is this from the 12v in the center console + the one on the left of the trunk area? If so, do you run the wire in a special way through the cabin?

Heyyyyy 2022 pls

Does the Ecoflow delta 3 fit in the sub-trunk?

Yes, they will void warranty. Until Tesla decided they want to offer it for a monthly fee.

I just run a cable from the centre console through to the boot where I have the other cable and battery. I don't have it in permanently so literally just hangs over the back seat whilst in use.. Both cables are long so there is enough to run outside of needed. Make sure you by xt60i, not just xt60i as there  is an extra pin in the xt60i that the ecoflow needs to work. (Learnt that the hard way)

The converters available provide up to 125v at 15 amps. I believe there is one that doesn’t 220v. Right now I’m too lazy to google it.

Warranties can't be "voided" due to misuse but Tesla could potentially argue in front of judge/arbiter that what non-approved used you conducted damaged your car's XYZ component to avoid paying for XYZ repair.

No Tim’s

Interesting. I have a Bluetti AC180p, so I wonder if I can find a dual head cable for that.

Because you still need the adapter side

Obviously you don’t have a hot tub 😄

Yes I agree. However we aren’t discussing a model from 3 years ago. We’re discussing a model that hasn’t been released yet.

No you don't want to do that, as you are then bridging the connection between the two 12v socket in the car. The good thing about ecoflow delta 3 is they have two separate independent 12v inputs which are not bridged internally (so theoretically you can charge from solar at a different voltage and another 12v source at the same time) but the solar input can also be used for another 12v input source.

Ah fair point. I was thinking of doing 12v to SAE to SAE splitter to SAE to DC plug, but I could see where there isn’t a backfeed prevention there to keep it flowing one way. I just run two plug setups - one with the Bluetti, the other with an Eco inverter off of a 56v 10ah battery with a USBC charge from the other 12v while discharging at 120v.

Easily, it's about the size of a standard car battery

Can someone break it down in fornite terms for me ?

In my model 3 I just hook up a 1kW inverter to the 12V PCS output under the rear seat. The PCS can support far more than 1kW, it is integrated to the battery and will sustain it as long as you have charge (and the car is awake)

Car becomes power bank for your fridge

How hot do the 12V adapters themselves get? On my 2018 Model 3 and a Delta mini I tried to do this and it would become 'burning hand' hot. I have a new Y and a D3+ now but haven't tried the 12V sockets yet.

The current modules for the gen 2 work with the gen3?

Would come down to the quality of the connector you buy.  I have not noticed them getting too hot.

That is a good way to void the warranty

You’d think it be better to sell more cars than Powerwalls

Just like Apple in that onlookers claim they're falling behind while they absolutely dominate the market.

What model of inverter? The device I tried had too large of a startup current and threw error codes.

Woah! I don’t have two XT60 inputs but that’s really great to know. I wonder if I can rig something up.

So it can charge a phone?

Technically, yes.

*if* the warranty issue is related to power problems and *if* they have evidence that using V2L was the cause Your Tesla has 4-5X the capacity of a powerwall. It could power an apartment for weeks. That's all this is about. Not your safety or other BS.

I’m still shocked that a model Y or 3 doesn’t have any AC outlets in the vehicle. That’s such an obvious benefit of an EV.

Apparently all the junipers and highlands have the gen 2 PCS that the cyber truck has so they are all capable of powershare

The highland and juniper have the gen 2 PCS so they should be capable of powershare just like the cyber truck. Not sure why they have not enabled it yet.

It’s like a chug jug for the squad when they’re lit up.

You can only do this on the 12v pre2022 models.

I will cancel my power wall order if they enable it that's why

Okay, perhaps I said it wrong. But long story short, the usage I mentioned is literally listed under their “Warranty Limitations” So whether you would call it “voided”, or simply one of the many limitations of the warranty… Either way, you will not be covered if anything goes wrong > Warranty Limitations > > This New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any vehicle damage or malfunction directly or indirectly caused by, due to or resulting from normal wear or deterioration, abuse, misuse, negligence, accident, improper maintenance, operation, storage or transport, including, but not limited to, any of the following: > > […] > > • Using the vehicle as a stationary power source Source: https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf

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Worst marketing ever

This is readily available. I had to look it up but here you go: [https://vortipower.com/tesla-powershare-external-discharge-device-vp20/](https://vortipower.com/tesla-powershare-external-discharge-device-vp20/)

the AUDI E5 sportback looks quite nice

Works way better and safer with the ecoflow alternator charger instead of off the shelf inverter setup.

Try the eco-flow alternator charger... 800w and 100% safe/monitored voltage which incrementally increases the load from nothing to prevent overdraw.

Rumor is that late 23/24 model y's. (The ones with hardware 4) May also have gen 2 PCS, but I have no idea how to verify this

Looks like you can buy a hacky one for your car right now — it pretends to charge, but actually drains your battery. Saw a YouTube video on it.

Yeah, kind of a bummer I would’ve hoped for a 30 or 50 amp hook up. Better than nothing!

>Make sure you buy xt60i, not just xt60i Wha?

Keep in mind I could be wrong, but I think that is something that is possible that Tesla doesn't officially support or condone. I'm guessing it does a handshake and tells the car it's going to DC charge it, and removes DC power instead.

Cable with xt60i connector, not just xt60. Xt60 connector won't work with delta 3.

*now discontinued RWD

Interestingly, the Tesla account only mentioned V2L, but the tweet it's responding to mentioned V2H as well. It also mentions an OTA update, but doesn't clarify if it's performance only or older Junipers too

Thanks! I was using the official ecoflow connector and it was getting very hot. A lot of others had the issue too, but this was a few years ago and not the XT60i version that is newer.

I've seen those, I'd rather avoid them as it tricks the car into thinking it's being Supercharged, which gives a direct connection to the HV batt via the NACS port. You're at the mercy of whatever manufacturer to have the proper safety mechanisms to not either blow your pyrofuse or worse. I'd prefer to just tap into the PCS in the penthouse than use those things.

in 2018?

They sell power walls, they don't want that unless you buy a vehicle priced as much as a Cybertruck.

How is Tesla so late to this? They are really falling behind

I was able to confirm in the parts catalog (using my VIN) that my early 2024 model y AWD has the same PCS model number as all Juniper vehicles made up until now (not including MY Juniper performance). The cyber truck one is specifically for 48v vehicles so not the same. Tesla has not shared the parts manual for the new Juniper Performance yet, but once they do we can confirm if the part# for the PCS is the same: 1135558-54-A Here's a pic from the parts page that i was able to pull up: [https://imgur.com/a/CxxEjpr](https://imgur.com/a/CxxEjpr)

This is literally just one or more AC outlets. Calling this V2L seems misleading but maybe I’m wrong.

Will Highland model 3 performance get this as well? I assume it would be rocking the same underlying stuff as the performance Juniper?

That is what V2L is

Can you use Eco flow delta three to run a coffee maker? Electric grill or an air fryer? I was thinking about Eco flow River but I don't think it will have enough power. Things that generate heat normally use way more energy but I'm trying to find a way to cook while I'm out besides just a fire or portable propane

He doesn’t design the cars bud

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Shhh 🤫

That’s great. You can use your car as your Personal powerwall. And if you operate it smart you could save the one or another buck by timing Energyconsumption. No more than the other v2L is the future to lead humanity to achieve his goals for sustainable energy

It can do 1.8kw sustained, 2.4kw for about 1-2 minutes.  So yes, pretty much any appliance that runs off a standard wall socket it can run. Most grills, hair dryers etc are usually around 1 to 1.5 kw

1) didn’t design that either 2) that has 3 outlets

Yeah, I think there was a kick-starter that was trying to do this

Do we think the S has the same PCS?

that was using the CCS compatibility to steal 400V from the battery and converting it by itself. This should be significantly more efficient

Would this work with other 2026 Model Ys?

Still waiting for a driving powerwall

Is V2H the same as V2G?

Yes and no. From the car's perspective it should be the same. Battery power is coming out of the car and into a different system at a high rate (a low rate would be V2L). V2H is where that different system is a home. V2G is where that different system is the grid (your electrical service provider) which will then be distributed out to other homes besides your own. From the car, nothing changes. But the wiring needs to be set up differently for V2G compared to v2h

I guess.  But what do you use an outlet for.  Everything in my house that I would bring in the car is UsBC?  Maybe I’m missing something but in our other car we have them and don’t think we have ever used them.

Some basic mods means I’ve been able to power my campsite off my Teslas for years, I suppose that means jack all until I post picture of a coffee machine on a trestle table in front of the car 🙄

Laptops, power stations, devices that don’t work with the 16V system but can support AC (various air pumps etc). I max out on the 16v 12amp outlets. V2L would be a welcome addition.

A few months ago I went camping and brought a water boiler. I have a 12v socket to 120v regular plug adapter. I couldn’t get it to work because there wasn’t enough amperage.

I don’t think anyone is talking about a 3 year old Y or 3. They are talking about the new Y being able to also support this feature potentially. Which it has the hardware to do so.

120V 20A is enough for a small trailer not a house. I thought it would at least do 240V 50A

This is V2L, not V2H. V2L is for powering a few appliances, eg your fridge/freezer in a powercut

You van get 120V 20A with a simple converter now with any tesla.

Ok? Now you also have a built in supported option available too.

Laptop charger

This is totally a benefit of camping. Tons of high amp equipment

Just vacuumed my car but had to use an extension cord from the garage.

Has anyone tried the Tesla Outlet Adapter on other Juniper trims than Performance?

If the power grid goes down you can keep you freezer running and stuff like that, it's a nice bonus. The most common use case would be for camping though.

For V2G there has to be communication with the grid, I think, so things do change for the car. That way the grid can charge the car's battery when there's a drop in demand and pull energy from the car when there's a demand surge.

I think this amount of communication to the car is the same for V2L or V2G. The difference is where the communication goes (is it comms with the house or service provider) but those comms stay the same (will vehicle accept charge or not, and will vehicle provide power or not)

V2L is not connected to a house at all, it's essentially a power strip you can plug things into, the car is never being charged with V2L. If you meant that V2H and V2G should be very similar I agree.

Hopefully all of the highland M3 are compatible 🤞

Sorry, I did mean V2H (not V2L). Been a bit since the previous comments 😂

V2H is such an obvious benefit of an EV (when enabled), but Tesla is sandbagging their cars because they don't want to cannibalize Powerwall sales. My Tesla X has the storage capacity of 10 Powerwalls (which are $8,000 each). My next vehicle WILL be able to backup my house for days, so time will tell if that's still a Tesla or one of the many competitors who fully support V2H. I don't need FSD (I can drive myself), but I can't power my house by myself during an outage.

What if you want to vacuum your car?

No but you could run an extension cord to power your fridge and a lamp or something

You can use the high DC alternator charger on an EV as well. https://youtu.be/-5kjbbG6Dx8?si=sSpexCY9mWXsblZd

Why are they limiting this to the performance trim? I was looking at the juniper premium AWL yesterday and the sales rep said that it has V2L as well when I asked but everything I'm reading online says it doesn't