New Model Y - San Francisco

Is this the long one or the cheap one?

Cheap one

That’s what I’m worried about is the distinguishing between them. It has to be significant imo to make the more wealthy people feel like they aren’t driving the cheap one.

Might push those people, that care about that, into an X or S

I just bought a 26 model Y, first Tesla, and the thought was if I like it enough I’ll throw down for the X in 3-4 years. Good chance so far I’ll be doing that sooner than later.

Performance?

Model Y is their highest volume daily driver vehicle. People aren’t buying it for status.

Model YL

Make it a smaller battery, no frills, sell it for 30k tops

Is that what the millionaires are driving now?

It won’t happen but it should be the promised 25k tesla

As in, it'll be a YL before we ever actually see one for sale?

The wheels, front end, and rear are different than the regular Y. Just like the M3 Perf. But I’m not sure this is a perf in the photo.

Budget model.

Back not high enough

Wealthy people aren’t driving a model y

If Tesla launches a minivan, they’re going to get some $$. This is not that.

Yup

The Model X is a minivan.

It is most definitely not. A minivan has sliding doors, a full 2nd and 3rd row, and certainly more interior space. The X is a SUV

At most it’ll be $40k, at lowest, $36k, I’m betting on closer to $37,500

That’s a good one, I’m stealing that

$37,501 final answer

You’re gonna be over by a dollar, and I’m going to laugh

Minivans don't sell in very large numbers, so no.

The X is a crossover.

To be fair, the appeal of sliding doors is easy access with no way for kids to ding the cars beside you, which the gull-wing doors also provide. The X can also have 3 rows, albeit less accessible than what a traditional minivan offers. And you didn't mention it, but I also love minivans for being lower to the ground than SUVs, and therefore easier for smaller kids to hop in unassisted. The Model X is an SUV, but it feels like it has some minivan DNA in the mix. Like one of its parents was half minivan or something.

30k for a car this size would be insane. 35-40k sounds doable

A car that’s twice the price?

Just buy a used one 😝

Making X longer to offset the Y L change could make sense. So to offer a regular 3rd row, not a place for kids or adults after a leg amputation.

When was that said? Lets account for inflation since then

You guys forget what Tesla has up its sleeve for when the $7500 credit expires. Tesla bought a bunch of battery equipment from CATL to make their own LFP batteries. This will drive down costs significantly and undercut everyone. Expect them to use that in these cars and sell them for $30k and it’s Tesla stock to the moon.

You right bro, me and my purge bros can't wait to get a soccer mom mobile.

No. It’s an SUV that tries to both be and not be a minivan. It’s a really fast SUV that kinda looks like a minivan. The biggest appeals of actual minivans are easy access and full 3rd row seating. Sure they look dumb, but they are infinitely more easy to work with when you’re shuttling kiddos (and pups) around.

….? It’s a $100 billion market.

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SInce the wheels are that big its most likely the performance one.

I'll be sure to tell the five 3-4 million dollar homes on my street with model Ys in the driveway that they aren't wealthy.

Rims are bigger than stock likely performance model

Tesla has some weird lineups coming. Model Y is being stretched too far. They have the cheap budget model coming, the standard, the awd, the extended “L” and the performance. I would rather them rebrand the budget and the extended models to something other than Y. It’s going to dilute the value and cheapen the brand (and resell value).

“Frills” don’t cost that much for them to put in and that’s not how you run a successful business. Teslas vehicles cost them on average $35,000 to build.

Robotaxi testing

I’m also a little confused on their current line-up strategy. TBH I liked the headlight designs of the previous Model 3 and Y way better than the new M3 Highland and the new Model Y. (Did anyone even ask them to change the headlight designs? wtf was the reason for such a major aesthetic switch up??) Seems like they’re almost entirely focused on FSD, Optimus, and AI but it doesn’t really make sense to me because those are kinda long term projects supposedly 5 years (generous estimate) away.

$37,501.50 post final price tag

There isn't a single minivan in the top 25 best-selling cars in the US: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g60385784/bestselling-cars-2024/ They don't sell hardly anything compared to SUVs, sedans, and pickup trucks. It's a drop in the bucket. That's just a fact.

Yes, the old faces looked somewhat frog-like and many people wanted them to change. Plus, obviously cars change appearance over time to improve and keep things fresh. That's normal and good.

How many years would prefer until Tesla changes the front of the Model 3 again? 3? 5? or more like 10? I’m not a car guy lol, so not really sure how most people think on the topic

The standard in the car industry is around 5 years, and I think that's a good amount of time.

They better put the licence plate there, current location looks like shit.

I mean… Minivans are a category. The list you shared doesn’t include them. Either way, don’t really care if Tesla decides to make them or not. Would be nice for someone though to refresh the minivan concept. Volkswagen is doing a fantastic job with their buzz wagon, but the range blows on it.

Incorrect. The list I shared includes all vehicles, but since minivans don't sell in large numbers, no minivan made the top 25 list. Minivans make up just 3% of car sales, and they're falling: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2023-us-minivan-sales-figures-by-model/

You are high as a kite, there isn't going to be a $30k Tesla.

wtf? A minivan? Jesus that’s about a stupid at the cybertruck.

Also bought the 26 Y. Test drove the X and Y on the same day. Agree that the X is nicer but couldn’t justify it being nearly twice the cost of the Y…it’s slightly more luxurious but it’s just me and my wife with no kids so don’t need any fancy back seats or extra cargo space.

Somewhat same here and I couldn’t justify dropping that much on a platform I wasn’t sure I’d love. Also not sure why my first comment is getting downvoted… tough crowd lol

Yeah used Teslas are in the $20k range now. 2-3 years old.

The days of teslas being a status symbol are over. No one knows the difference between an X and a Y or a 3 and an s except us tesla fans.

Bullshit. I do uber/lyft in los angeles. I see 3’s and Y’s in the driveways of most houses in the hollywood hills. People who are actually wealthy are more frugal than you think.

You cant destroy the resale value more than they already did in 2023. They fucking nuked us and never said a word. I lost $45k in equity in 3 vehicles on one day. Ill never buy a tesla again.

This is not a new model, it’s just a new cover they sell cause the car paint is weak af

Even better…

Are you using your vehicles as investment assets? Genuinely curious, not being snarky

The Y is the cheap one. If wealthy people are buying it, they probably don’t care. If they do they’d get a different one (S, X, lucid, etc)

Negative, $31173.69 is the final answer.

Drew Carey: “Actual retail price.” *Tab flips over to reveal $37,502.50.* “Sorry, you don’t win the car.”

Exactly. Albeit some still think that all Teslas are very expensive.

“The rich stay rich by pretending to be poor. The poor stay poor by pretending to be rich.” Funny how that works, the rich are some of the cheapest people on this planet. And for a lot of them you’d never guess that they’re wealthy.

Honestly I’m glad you said Drew Carey and not Bob Barker

Drew is the only one I know, I’ve never seen an episode of that show without him hosting.

Bob Barker was the original host for many many years (35 I think?), Drew took over in 2007 when Bob retired. Side note: if you like drew carey watch the early seasons of “Whose Line Is It Anyways?”

Yeah. I bought two model Y’s to do commercial level transportation in Los Angeles. Think Uber Black. We never got it profitable. Went to sell my $75k car with 30k miles and it was worth $40k. Ended up gifting it to my 17 year old daughter.

That one has the light bar, so it’s probably the performance. Not the inexpensive model.

Oh that makes sense, he was before my time. I wasn’t even alive when he first started. I didn’t start watching the price is right until the early 2010s.

That’s fair, I’m 23 so my early years had “the guy from Happy Gilmore”

Minivans are great on road trips. I wouldn't buy one but we rent them sometimes.

The “cheap” version of the CyberTruck was 14% less. If that math holds this for the “cheap” Y this will be about $39k

That’s because they’re bad. If you make a bad product nobody will buy it. Speaking as someone who considered buying a minivan in the US, they’re all half hearted efforts.

Sure bud. Or maybe it's just a category that nobody wants.

You’re right, duh of course the young family wants a 135 hp 4.0L V6 minivan that gets 15 mpg. Those stats are not horrible at all! Of course why didn’t I realize? And that VW ID Buzz, man what a well done car. Huge preproduction interest but then an end product that doesn’t have 1 pedal driving, a heat pump, a frunk, etc and is just a s*** EV in every way. It wasn’t overpriced, poorly made, and poorly engineered at all! Everyone lost interest because they remembered they don’t like vans. Brother read the room.

I don’t think you can really consider the cybertruck’s price as it’s different materials entirely and much larger footprint

But at the same time there’s not much margin built into the RWD Y. We can’t really expect anything more than a 15% cost reduction unless they slash the battery size which they might but that would make it a tougher sell at least for the US market. We’re weirdly obsessed with range.

“Weirdly obsessed with range” bro i can drive 6 hours in any direction and still be in my state

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I bet less than 1% of all drives you have taken are more than 100 miles. So why do you need 400 miles of range for a daily commuter?

I suspect it's not the cost of the frills that's important but the production processes that can be eliminated by *not* installing them.

So you don’t have to charge as often and the battery has less cycles less often, prolonging its ability to hold a charge. I drive about 40ish miles on any given day, sometimes as much as 70 unless I’m on a road trip, I don’t have access to a 240V outlet so supercharging is a must atleast once a week

Ok if you use superchargers I get it, I’ve got a 240v charger at my house and still have yet to ever use a supercharger. For me, if they offered it I’d take a battery 40% smaller. Better efficiency, less weight, cheaper to replace the battery if it’s ever needed.

They aren’t driving them to LOOK wealthy

Tbh you should go to a supercharger just once, to see what it’s like. Check prices to find the cheapest one near you (that’s still atleast 250kW) and plug in for 10-15 minutes

This. Just bought a 26 YLR as my fourth Tesla. It’s my favorite so far. I’m sure I’d love to drive an X, but there’s no way I’m going to drop 80k+ for a car.

But in regards to the point being made, those people didn't buy the 3 or Y to show off...

It's called the Model X lol