Tesla's LFP cell manufacturing factory in North America nearing completion

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Source: https://x.com/Tesla/status/1939006361821684208 Elon also [responded](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1939054846788661510) with "Super big deal".

Hopefully Tesla take the Chinese approach to technology sharing and use this CATL line to figure out how it works and then make their own version and rubber stamp copies of it all over the place.

It’s crazy to me we have humans smart enough to design and build all this shit and then similar humans who bring all 13 members of their family to Costco and just stop dead center in the middle of walking lanes to block everything with zero idea what a fucking obstruction their group is

I think I know where you spent your sunday morning 😂

The cell designs are not the same.

Same, just got back from Costco and I hate everyone. Never again on Sunday.

Will these also be in cylindrical form?

General rule of thumb is if they are handing out samples, you came at a bad time.

usually if u go up to the dude running it and give him a lil “aye lemme just get that whole bag u got there 😜” theyll just give you more

Helluva point.

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r/OddlySpecific

Apparently Friday evening, right around 5p is like the perfect time to go. I've never seen the place so dead.

Sodium batteries for low end and solid state for high end. LFP was a great transition battery since it didn’t use cobalt and durable enough to charge to 100% over over

Politicians like dumb population tho… seems like this is by design.

Prototypes are just that, whether it’s commercially viable or able to be easily mass produced is another story. We also had [these](https://www.insidehook.com/culture/stretchable-batteries-that-never-need-charging) [prototypes](https://www.zdnet.com/article/engineering-breakthrough-may-bring-batteries-that-never-need-replacing/) nearly a decade ago. Yet all of my devices with batteries will still need a new one in 2-3 years.

This looks like it is a separate factory to the Gigafactory 1? Does anyone know why they didn't expand the footprint like they were originally planning to of Gigafactory ?

Bro Sam’s club is 100000% worst. Carts everywhere.

Friday evening or we don’t go. I simply can’t.

Excellent point! Have you noticed people have “rear radar.” I will be walking behind someone older and slower and if I try to pass the left, somehow they sense this and they veer off to the left. If I try to pass to the right they veer off to the right. r/blackmagicfuckery

Where is this plant?

The duality of man.

Looking at some of the clips, you can see the white SEPA material being used. It probably means it's the flat stacked batteries instead of the cylinder ones -LG Energy battery Engineer-

North America. The clues were in the title.

> Tesla is working with CATL to establish a lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery production plant in Sparks, Nevada. According to multiple reports, Tesla plans to purchase idle equipment from CATL, the world’s largest battery manufacturer, to set up a facility focused on producing LFP batteries for its Megapack energy storage product. >Tesla will fully own and operate the plant, covering 100% of the costs, with CATL’s involvement limited to supplying machinery and assisting with initial setup. The facility is expected to have an initial capacity of approximately 10 gigawatt-hours (GWh), with potential for expansion based on project success and supply chain development.

At their existing site in Sparks, Nevada

>Just in time for solid state batteries to make them obsolete in 3 years.  First time I heard that was about 30 years ago.

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

This is supposedly for Megapack stationary storage. Where $/kWh is more important than energy density or extreme rapid charging speed.

Simply put: CATL is licensing the technology to Tesla.

[QS SSB Baseline Production](https://www.quantumscape.com/quantumscape-achieves-major-milestone-cobra-separator-process-enters-baseline-production)

And then in another 3 years, fusion will make sodium batteries useless

https://maps.app.goo.gl/t6F8nHdqLWopgoEU8?g_st=ipc

OMG, I can’t stand people without basic situational awareness

Thanks!

Scalability is going to make them incredibly difficult, not to mention LFP batteries are cheaper and will still have their place for stationary use (i.e. house batteries).

Very cool!

LFP batteries are not meant to be state of the art. They have longer charge cycles, made from cheaper materials and used in things like stationary storage or shorter range vehicles. They also dont conflict minerals like cobalt. Currently pretty much all LFP batteries come from china which now becomes a tariff import and supply line issue relying on china. Think power walls, mega packs for grid storage.

My in-laws have no idea about human traffic and I’m constantly reminding them to move aside

Good point. LFPs will have uses outside of cars even if other better battery tech becomes the clear choice for vehicles.

That’s the law of large numbers at play

Damn didn't know they had a plant there (Sparks, Nevada). Anyone know why they selected that location? I'm thinking cheap real estate and labor but can't think of anything else.

Lots of the secrets is in the processing steps and chemistry and not the machinery.

Sure, but there’s nothing “Chinese” about it. That’s how capitalism is supposed to work.

I mean they bought the equipment in China from a Chinese company so something is Chinese about it

I think you missed OP’s point. They’re calling the method of getting tech knowledge from another company Chinese, not the equipment itself, which is obviously from China.

Does that mean they are only for energy storage projects, or can they go in vehicles too?

They can and are used for EVs, yes.

So what goes around comes around? About fking time😂

The name.

Energy is fucking cheap in Nevada, also subsidiary for getting a plant there.

Those are mostly not the same people, all they share is being the same biological species.

It was sick to be apart of this milestone 🔥.

Yell excuse me at them or tell them to stop blocking the aisle with their family. People are disrespectful and inconsiderate asshats because we no longer call them out and shame them into behaving.

The trick is to have one person stand in line with one or two quick grab items while the second person brings the rest of the stuff or uses a second cart to bus everything to them or just swap carts.

I don’t think I am actually, but don’t let me stop the faux offence from brewing.

More than 10% of the population has an IQ under 85. These people are too dumb to peel potatoes for the army. They can’t even work a cash register at McDonald’s. That’s a lot of people.

Same on the other site of the pond :-(

Its going to be great when I can get them for my lawnmoer, and other cordless tools! I got a LFP for the power wheels its great and half the price!

Tesla has some great ideas, if they could detach Elon from the process it would be even better!

they're aware...they just don't care about anyone but themselves

Like district 9 prawns… a few smart engineers and tons of drones.

Copying isn't related to capitalism more than any other economic system.

I’d argue it is because capitalism especially puts an emphasis on competition. Certainly it happens in other systems though.

sounds like someone had a less than stellar costco run today

> The facility is expected to have an initial capacity of approximately 10 gigawatt-hours (GWh) Gigawatt hours per what? Per day? Per year? This facility *is* manufacturing batteries, right? Not just housing them? Once again the media seems to have no clue how basic electrical units work.

Yes, and that is VERY good as CATL has arguably the best LFP batter tech and process in the world.

Tesla has a flat pack LFP batteries in Model 3. I don't think they will go cylindrical, as that is a alternate tech node. to integrate it with LFP will take time, and have limited benefit.

Isnt that because the LFP batteries are the Blade batteries made by BYD? So maybe the battery in the US would be different. Just wondering.

Hey, that LLM is not even a year old. I bet you weren't that literate at 12 months.

That’s personal.

My in-laws know nothing about human trafficking either, it’s really difficult to explain to them.

Nice!

Wow if only my LFP worked

Reno

No. IP theft is not how capitalism is supposed to work.

Same with walking in the city. That same family of 13 are all holding hands having a conversation taking up the whole sidewalk.

I have to wonder how long it will take Tesla to come up with its own chemistry / process. I'm sure this is in part to bootstrap their own LFP process. Beyond that I'm not even sure the long term goal is just Megapacks. LFP batteries would be great in CyberCabs, Robovans, and even a short range Semi. In each case the extended durability leads to even better economics. So MegaPacks to start but I can see the expansion into other areas.

Actually that isn't even clear.

Yes, you can't have a battery factory without "Sparks".

What you call “IP theft” is part and parcel of capitalism. Android did with ios, and ios does it with Android. THe US [did a ton of it](https://www.history.com/articles/industrial-revolution-spies-europe) during its own industrialization. Without it you more easily fall into monopoly capitalism, which in an uncompetitive situation that does not benefit society. Arguably we are currently living in monopoly capitalism anyhow, but it would be much worse without what you like to call “IP theft”.

Guess I’m gonna have to get ready to trade the 2024 in 😣

They do. And the technology they are licensing to Tesla is not their latest generation.

Switched to Sam’s because I can’t stand the customers inside Costco. Bunch of pretentious asshats. Sam’s is way more chill.

Its annual capacity [https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-first-look-lfp-battery-plant-nevada/](https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-first-look-lfp-battery-plant-nevada/) The batteries are not for cars and capacity may not readily translate, but for fun., Model 3 LFP RWD battery is 60 kW-h. 10 GW-h capacity is enough for 160,000 Model 3 RWD.

Just ask ChatGPT or Gronk and you’ll get all the references you need.

Just returned from a week vacation in Montana. EXACTLY the same experience in the airports! Especially true for ATL. But the small airport in Bozeman was nearly as bad.

Good to hear that the CATL CEO put Elon in his place and Elon actually listened and accepted that they have the best manufacturing tech for batteries.

Does that mean the cheaper standard range will come back and qualify for the 7500 incentive again?

Does that include, like, toddlers? Or is that adult population?

Toddlers have the same IQ as adults. It’s just hard to measure it at that age. The estimate is from the bell curve, so it’s people of every age in roughly equal proportion.

Tesla needs other sources of phosphate for their plant to run smoothly. With the tariffs on China , a source of western phosphate will be needed. Check out this company $FRSFP on the OTCQX. (first phosphate). They recently achieved THE world’s purest igneous phosphate concentrates. https://investorstockpicks.com/the-new-gold-in-battery-materials-that-no-one-is-talking-about/