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[Full comment](https://x.com/mikepat711/status/1919354298107854881) Elon responded to: > What do I hate the most about FSD by far? > I hate that I can’t even glance at the display to add a nav stop without getting yelled at. I literally have to stop FSD and type while manually driving. Obviously way more dangerous. > We’re in a very weird period where Tesla has to be extra cautious about safety, but we all know the nag is way overkill today because the software is incredible. In some cases, overly aggressive nag forces us to be even more dangerous. Annoying but I guess makes sense from liability pov. > I’m ready for wide, limited supervision FSD with driver in seat required for any remaining red hands scenarios. They can do that before EOY easily. > LETS GO
They really need to work on unnecessary lane changes as well.
I’d subscribe if it wouldn’t wait until the last quarter mile to merge over 3 lanes to take an exit
the worst is when a single lane opens up to two lanes, and it automatically pulls into the right lane. Then if that lane ends again pretty soon, it can't read/react to "lane ends" type of signs. So it's pulling ahead of everyone like an asshole and trying to merge back in at the last minute.
Forget the nav. Checking the rear view mirror is part of driving and that is on the screen in the Cybertruck. Only time I’ve been kicked out of FSD was while doing side view and rear view checks too close to each other.
But it will certainly fight you to get in the right lane where all the parked cars are while driving in the city.
This is so annoying! It always waits till the last possible second to then cut over multiple lanes to turn right.
I miss mid 2021 when I first bought my car and had the very convenient navigate on auto pilot button on the screen at all times. On longer drives sometimes I’d be fine with the quick ability to leave it on single lane mode.
Can't you switch between full FSD and regular autopilot which just steers and brakes/accelerates automatically? I thought I recalled one lever push was for brake/acceleration follow only, 2 pushes were for steering too, and 3 pushes were for full FSD.
If they applied the $100/mo subscription as a discount to the FSD, I would do it. But I'm not throwing $100 into the wind for FSD.
I might be wrong but the lane selection issue feels like a lot harder of a problem than what Tesla would like you to think it is. I mean they want you to ignore it because a regular taxi driver would do those kinds of things and you wouldn’t even notice… But I also have some confidence that they would have some idea what they are doing unlike FSD at times. Ultimately that is why I think it’s taking longer to fix than other issues.
If they applied the $100/mo subscription as a discount to the FSD, I would do it. But I'm not throwing $100 into the wind for FSD.
xcancel.com link: https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1919649186322301209
He has talked about this on earnings calls too. They see people disengage FSD to text and then reenage it after…which is way more dangerous. My opinion on it: Since most people are myopic and only look surface level and just want to complain it’s better in the long run for Tesla to succeed even if it means more injuries/deaths now when people disengage then to look at it holistically and take a change of the unhinged masses pushing Tesla into exile…and long term roads being less safe because of it.
Yes! It tries doing this almost every time I’m on the way home. The right lane ends about half a mile before my subdivision. But it insists on getting in that lane anyway. I intervene about half the time, as soon as that blinker comes on. There wasn’t anyone around one day and I let it go. It started turning right at the end of that lane, but then decided it wanted to go straight. It stayed as far right as it could, under the traffic lights, not even in a lane, and made a weird snake maneuver to get through the intersection. Just absolutely stupid.
HW3 isn’t much of a problem, no face cameras 😄
You're not "throwing money into the wind" when you subscribe to FSD. You're paying for a service. No different than any other service one might subscribe to.
That was removed more than a year ago. It's only one pull for FSD. Nothing else, unless you disable FSD entirely and revert to basic Autopilot. Which then requires pulling over and parking the car to return to FSD functionality, unless you start maintaining multiple profiles.
As far as I can get working one pull is FSD. There’s no adaptive cruise control. There is no autosteer/pilot. Straight to FSD. It looks like you can downgrade to adcc or autopilot mid drive but then you can’t go back. Also when I downgrade mid drive I lose all of the functionality until the next drive.
I miss when you used to be able to set it that you had to confirm all lane changes
That massachussets data on the dataset/
This. My M3 will try to merge into a lane to my left where the car in front of me would be going slower than my current speed. It doesn’t make sense.
The answer is in Elon's profile pic......sunglasses. lol
This. FSD still can’t replace me driving as a human. For example, I’m driving from Bellevue, WA, west across the I90 bridge toward the Seattle I5 South exit which is a left exit and can be really tricky to get to if you’re not in the left lane early. So the car, in Hurry mode, is tootling along in the left lane, doing great! Then, it decides really late that it needs to move over to the right several lanes, and then not 1/3 mile later it realizes it has to be back over in the left lane for the I5 South exit. It’s just idiotic. It does this every day like clockwork, cars around or otherwise. The lane changing is dumb as rocks, and probably just as hard for Tesla to solve as FSD itself (which won’t be solved anytime soon, anyway).
> unless you start maintaining multiple profiles Perhaps that's a decent workaround then? Have one profile for full FSD, and another for the more basic autopilot? u/mookdaruch - thoughts?
I still have issues with speed. Tesla has inaccurate speed limit data and even when it knows the sped limit, like on the highway, it drives slow (I’m talking under 70). They had it somewhat fixed at one point and it’s back again.
I had to change to auto pilot because no matter what setting I do or lane I manually change to, my car will end up going basically 1-5mph over the speed limit. plus, I can never really predict when it will decide it needs to slow down or change lanes. total waste of money at the moment.
Ive been sending reports about 4x a drive
It's a workaround for sure. You'll interrupt whatever music you were listening to, if you adjusted your seat it'll be changed, and your climate will revert to whatever it was previously. Blinker settings, side camera views, etc, and saved map locations are also undone. Very annoying.
Don’t even get me started on when I’m literally at a stop sitting at a red light and the car is having an absolute fit because I’m not looking at the road or I’m checking my phone. And it’s not just FSD. The “self driving” modes are overly annoying to the point that I rarely use them. Just give me dumb cruise control.
YES. I really miss the minimize lane changes option. FSD is a great copilot where together we drive much better than 1 and I can be hands off a lot, but it makes dumb lane changes or at least doesn’t adapt to my desired driving style.
??? My hw3 2019 has a camera over the rear view mirror
Don’t think my 2020 has one
Imagine not knowing you can put a post-it on the camera.
I don’t think so, that causes “attention monitoring unavailable “which means you have to keep torquing the wheel. As long as attention monitoring is enabled it seems that you never have to even touch the wheel at all, so as long as you’re looking at the road ahead, you don’t even need your hands.
I hate this, my one big gripe!! How tf isn’t this a setting. “Prepare for exits early”.
What service are we talking about ?
I would guess the alerts are a requirement of govt for self driving?
I wear sunglasses all the time while using FSD and it keeps attention monitoring on, no wheel nag. Might depend on the type/style of glasses I suppose. I think it was that way when they first started using the cabin camera for attention monitoring, but has since been updated.
I've had to stop using FSD in my town, as we have train tracks that go through the middle of town, and for some reason FSD always freaks out at the rail crossing signals (even when they're off). FSD seems to think they are regular traffic lights (based on the visualization), which could explain why it tries to veer off into another lane and slam on the brakes. If this behavior was only when the signals were on, I could understand somewhat, but it happens almost every time I roll up to the crossing.
This is the fucking worst, since you CAN'T EVEN USE CRUISE CONTROL NOW!!!
That would then not let you use FSD…
Switch it to calm instead of standard
I have the opposite problem. My car wants to merge over at 1.5 miles and sit parked rather than staying to the left until the traffic clears for my exit.
I have multiple profiles, i just set the second one up to be a clone of the first ones settings. I’ve never had an issue with music dropping (it stops for 2 seconds then resumes in the same place) or mirrors adjusting. i can swap back and forth between both throughout drives and haven’t had an issue going from FSD to TACC back to FSD without stopping.
Found a non-owner giving ownership advice.
The NHTSA enforced 1-Mississippi-2-Mississippi stops at every stop sign is the most annoying thing about FSD. The old "rolling stop" feature was so much more natural, human-like, and didn't annoy the person behind you.
I feel like they added this to get the government regulation out of their FSD. When FSD first started, you saw idiots sitting in the backseat while FSD was on. Tesla doesn't want stupid accidents and the government to step in so they added attention monitoring. I think it was a knee-jerk reaction and they need to dial it down enough to give a pleasant experience but now down enough that the government will regulate it. Because if the government regulates it (e.g verify every 10s), it will be impossible to change due to bureaucratic inertia.
Isn’t it based on similar hardware to what’s used in faceID for iPhones to tell if you’re looking at the screen? That can observe eye direction through sunglasses
If you use slacker/liveone and change profiles it won't interrupt music ;)
There’s a lot of issues that I have with FSD but this isn’t one of them. If anything, it’s extra necessary given the amount of mistakes it makes. Look at the road.
Whatever it uses, it’s much more lenient with the driver taking their eyes off the road than without sunglasses, that I know for sure.
Doesn’t work if you block it, but if you smear it with oily fingerprints it’ll lower the resolution enough not to detect your eyes.
Yes, you dont have polarized lenses. besides the whole "it works for me" isn't an excuse in software development. There's so many other factors. For me, when I wear glasses, the nag requires wheel torque
I have 12.6.4 with HW3 and took my car to big bend national park 2 weeks ago and my car tried to switch lanes a couple times on 2 lane highways driving out in rural Texas. There were no other lanes to switch into. Most of the time it has no issues, but I had a few immediate WTF takeovers. Overall it got way better and handled all of 170 from Lajitas to Presidio which it used to fail on along with the mountain drive into the Chisos basin with really sharp corners, but having my car start to try and make a left ahead by starting to jump into the opposite side lane with a big rig way ahead was a big big no no.
Yeah that causes mine to freak out.
Not through polarized lenses. And FaceId just recognizes more of your face rather than peering through glasses.
You wanted fsd to be human like. That's human like. I see it all the time.
Yeah I preferred it when I just kept a hand on the wheel and could freely use the map without it acting like I’m committing a war crime.
FSD is the service.
FSD absolutely does not care if you fuck around when the car is stopped
Chill vs Hurry?
Yep, Hurry mode puts you closer to your speed limit but does more lane changes than necessary. Standard seems to be 5-7mph under what you have set. Its strange behavior.
At least its easy to override with the accelerator.
They have cameras. The quality isn't that great so that helps.
Yeah, mine did that driving into Dallas a few weeks ago and turned out of the lane it was supposed to be in and missed my exit.
Yeah. I absolutely miss follow distance and setting an exact speed.
It's unavoidable for now. Those twitchy lane changes come from FSD reacting frame-by-frame without temporal context. Tesla’s transitioning to a regressive transformer model, likely alongside the promised 3x increase in context window size. This allows the system to retain past state information and reason over time, reducing short-sighted decisions and improving trajectory stability, especially for lane selection and overall planning.
Some, not all, sunglasses.
I just want to be able to set it 10 over and have it stay at that speed on highways.
Hw3 drives like it’s texting and driving half the time tho.
Uh ? You want a pic in DM ? I just own the highest FSD a aivailable in EU, and it works perfectly with a post-it. But it probably isn’t as autonomous as in the US due to regulation.
They are polarized. I’m only giving my own experience so people who haven’t used it in a while are aware. Wearing sunglasseses for attention monitoring was not an option before, now it is. I’m not trying to come off as “Well it works for me so sucks to be you!”, 😂 it shouldn’t be so much more lenient with sunglasses than without…hope Elons post means they’ll fix that.
This is MY biggest gripe. GIVE US BACK MINIMAL LANE CHANGES. I want to go FASTER but pick specific lanes most times. Sometimes it makes most sense for me to camp right lane for a few miles depending on my roads and not switch back and forth. Also I don’t want HURRY to camp the left passing lane!
agreed. or be as predictable as it used to be about it. sigh.
I donno, the thousands and thousands of man-hours put into developing FSD would be my best guess.
I prefer the other way. I prefer the car to stay on the left lane until passing the last intersection to make a right turn, instead of staying on the right lane to block right turn traffic on a 2-lane city road.
I need "don't go to the right lane until passing the last intersection".
This is also my #1 frustration. I have to turn off a safety feature to do something more dangerous despite being encouraged to do so? And most of those things I can’t do with voice control.
it's the opposite for me - I hate it when it merges into the right lane more than a mile away from the exit and gets stuck behind someone doing 50 in 70, instead of only merging in 10 sec before the exit. I have to take over and do it myself all the time, and really wish there was a way to tune it to the driver's preference
The car should still absolutely stop at the stop sign line, then roll slowly forward. Too many idiots blow through it and then stop. But yes, the 3-Mississippi stops are quite annoying. Compliant, but annoying.
I imagine a majority of those cases is for passing lanes, and in that case a car in FSD should 100% be using the slow lane and allowing other cars to pass.
I only use Hurry with 85mph set as my max. It drives me crazy.
This wouldn't be an issue if we at least had some tactile buttons and knobs. But since everything is controlled via the center display, you have no choice but to take your eyes off the road to do things like changing the temperature of your AC.
Interesting I’ve not seen this one but mostly burbs stuff
Well, Basic AP absolutely does and it’s fucking stupid.
I don’t think it is ? The IR camera is still monitoring your eye balls
HW3 or HW4? I'm not noticing this at all.
I wonder how many of these "my car does this too SOON" vs "my car does this too LATE" are just personal preferences. My gf gets anxious if she's not in her exit lane \~1+ mile from the exit, for example. You and her would hate how each other drives.
Yeah we got a time out for ignoring the warnings too many times. FSD refused to take over for the rest of the trip, and we were warned that if we do it again 4 more times, FSD will be totally deactivated. The car is two weeks old and we felt like being scolded by our grandma. Lol
The model S 2020 have no cabin cameras folks
How did you manage to plug in in Big Bend? I was there in my campervan and was wondering how we’d do the trip if we took the Tesla instead.
It's so hard to gauge FSD functionality when a lot of the complaints come down to personal preference like this. I can't imagine how many issues would "go away" as soon as someone's in the back seat not paying attention to the driving behaviors.
this part! if i’m on hurry i want it to be aggressive with later lane changes. shit annoys the hell out of me
To be fair there’s a special place in hell for Dallas highways
I just wanna be able to watch Netflix on the way to Vegas
I'm ok with it being a rule that the car has to come to a complete stop, but I'm also very ok with it being beyond the stop sign/line. We have a bunch of stop signs in my neighborhood that if you stop behind the stop sign or on the designated line, you cannot see a damn thing coming in any direction. So here if you are driving it is natural to stop, but quite a bit beyond the stop sign, then go. Right now you have this weird situation where FSD has to stop, then pull forward 5 or so feet, then stop again, then go. Very unnatural and going to cause someone behind me to rear-end me when they think that when I move after stopping the first time that I'm going to proceed fully through the intersection.
I can only speak anecdotally, but in my Cybertruck I can definitely look around the road, at the screen, etc with no warnings from FSD for much longer than when I’m not wearing them. Maybe certain glasses it’s easier to track your eyes and others it give you more benefit of the doubt so long as you’re facing forward 🤷♂️
To be fair it should be cheaper though, I sub to it currently but I feel it’s a pretty bad value at the moment, $100 a month to be a beta tester for an unfinished product isn’t exactly a deal I’d be excited about. If they ever get to full autonomous driving where I can catch up on emails or take a nap on my commute I’d be happy to pay but its current form is glorified cruise control. It should be free imo currently, especially with sales numbers where they are it’d be enough to move a lot more inventory
Huh? My ‘22 is hw3 and has one
It keeps track of your head movement. I was wearing polarized glasses and accidentally nodded off for a bit. No nags at all
Polarized doesn’t stop IR though
Then how do I get no steering nags with eyes closed. After it happened I was curious to test it further. So I purposely closed my eyes and still no nags. This doesn’t work at night. at night with polarized sunglasses on and your eyes closed, the car will ask you to takeover immediately
Yep. Certain stoplight always has a full right lane. In that lane, you won’t make it through the green. But that lane empties out just past the light, with most traffic turning right to the freeway ramp. I need the next right after that, so the lane is pretty empty at that point. It’s a minor gripe though. It drives the way a human who had never been through there would drive. Trouble is, it can’t learn/remember for next time like a human.
I’m not sure, this isn’t my experience with sunglasses on in my model 3 but not saying you’re lying
The stupid thing is that "Chill"'s description says "minimal lane changes" but it still changes lanes FAR too much. It also tries as hard as it can to get into the right most lane, which is a pain when I want to be in the HOV lane.
I'd really love if it was a bit more tolerant to looking at the screen for sure. Sometimes just hitting next song makes it upset at me. I have a hard time getting upset myself since it's a safety feature but still would be nice if it was a bit more lax on some screen interactions, it's not like we can watch netflix on it or anything in motion
FSD is amazing in the city but shit on the highway. I quit paying for FSD and am on Autopilot now just because I want to stay in one lane on the highway.
Right now the options are Venga has a 50amp charger in Terlingua which was I used mostly, or book an Airbnb or rv spot for overnight charging. The nearest supercharger is in Alpine which eats about 40% of my battery to get there. The only options in the park are 120v at the chisos resort or an RV spot. There is a planned Terlingua supercharger coming, but not sure how quickly it will be installed. Tesla dragged their feet on it for a long while, but I think they are starting to get the plan in works. People around there are not happy with the administration and border plans which unfortunately includes Tesla right now, so not sure if that will potentially delay it. For certain it's been a pain in the ass to charge and I have had to charge 5 hours before leaving when I camped off-grid with a friend and left my car behind.
Genuinely surprised that the NHTSA wasn't one of the first agencies that DOGE went after. Maybe it would have been too obvious, even for them.
This is the #1 reason I turned it off even during the free trials. You should be able to turn off lane changes altogether and have it change lanes only when you click the turn signal.
I'd be delighted for standard to only drive 5-7 under my set speed. On my HW3 car, the speed will slowly creep down on standard until it's as much as 20 mph under my set speed.
even better, when it's also a turn lane and you're going straight
If Tesla is so concerned about drivers not paying attention, why don’t we just assign blame where blame is due? If someone is using FSD improperly, from looking at their phone to sleeping in the back seat, and there is an accident due to the driver’s negligence, the driver is clearly at fault. Not the car, not Tesla, the driver, as is the case with any other car accident.
Or the 405-S to 90-W route - when it keeps trying to put me in the lane that’ll take me to 90-E!
This one pisses me off the most. Bring back minimal lane changes! Daily in the HOV lane, set to "Hurry", it will remove me from the HOV lane because a car pulled ahead to the right. Then it changes lanes and now I'm stuck in the gridlock of the lane to the right of HOV because it thought it was faster. Every. Fucking. Day. In. Rush. Hour.
it used to be flipped. I get most of my value from it on the highway, so the flip sucks for me. I bought it outright so I have to just eat the cost.
That's the legal way we're all supposed to stop at a stop sign. Stop before the line then proceed slowly checking for traffic and then proceed when safe to do so. Here we call it a "rolling stop" illegal but 99% of people drove this way.
Tesla should have a 'target' speed and also a max speed. Target can be set by turning on FSD at whatever speed you like. Max speed set by scroll wheel.
That’s the dream
> It drives the way a human who had never been through there would drive. This will always be a problem without some form of additional shared fleet /observed human driver memory. The current approach uses lane hints from maps plus only what it can see right now to decide on its approach. It _works_, but it's got an upper limit on how good it can get.
i really miss the separate “minimal lane changes” setting. the current chill setting has it but then i can’t just cruise in the 2nd lane or something.
The whinging is annoying, I get yelled at if I want to choose a playlist, so manual driving for a dangerous 5 seconds then back on after I’ve chosen. Obviously don’t want someone staring at the screen for 15 minutes finding the track that perfectly suits this trip, but give me a little longer!
What’s the point of this comment? This is currently already what happens.
>it should be cheaper >I feel it’s a pretty bad value at the moment >It should be free imo currently It should be cheaper based off of what? No one else has anything even remotely comparable, because it's an insanely difficult technological feat to pull off and no one else is within spitting distance of Tesla. So, how do you price it? IMO, suggesting it should be free is pretty ridiculous given how much time, effort, and money is being spent on this, and how well it's currently functioning. To call it glorified cruise control is a bit of an absurd comparison. Mine drives me to/from work and everywhere else around the city with minimal interruptions at this point. If that isn't worth something to ya, not sure what to tell you other than good luck finding anything else out there that will satisfy you.
I'm sure they know it's a problem, they just pushed it out the door anyway.
I'm talking about specific local streets. if you saw them you'd know what I mean, they're actually right turn lanes rather than passing lanes. Car is in one lane, a right turn lane opens up for a short period of time, car goes in it, lane ends with a clearly marked sign, car tries to merge back in once it gets to the end of the lane.
YES! It’s always wrong there. Drives me absolutely batty.
My eyes are laser focused on the road (because I know FSD while incredible and smart can make mistakes that can cost me a ton of money) and for the last year or two the only times I get a warning telling me to look at the road is when I'm making very normal changes to the navigation that FSD users and ordinary drivers in ordinary cars do on a daily basis. I don't complain because I understand there are people that will take advantage of it for a f\*\*\*ing YouTube video if they can and cause backlash. It would be nice to to use the screen for normal non demanding tasks that normal drivers expect to be able to do while driving.
I agree. It should absolutely be preference we set in the car. There are different situations where one is better than the other. I've seen in a busy road it will sometimes wait until the last .1 mile and potentially miss the exit rather than getting into the right lane in an easy open spot .5 or 1 mile before the exit. This is more rare these days but I've seen it get into the right lane several exits early in heavy traffic for no reason.
Like mine that can't find my driveway. I've got one of the wierd corner houses where my box and driveway are not on the street my address is. Park same spot every day for years. FSD still goes to wrong Street and pulls up next to the curb.
FSD is ready, robo taxi release end of this year!!! /S
Honestly it makes me curious how FSD works like is it only looking 1/2 a mile in front of the car at any one moment? Is it incapable of planning which lane to be in 2-3 miles ahead of time like a normal driver.
I think we're going to get to "one version of FSD that can drive safer than humans" wayyyyyyyyyyyy before we get to "multiple FSDs that tailor to everyone's specific driving habits".
I have a 2022 m3 with FSD and I use FSD all the time. I probably use it over an hour per day. And it simply isn't as good as everybody seems to think. It's not super often, but at least twice a month I have to take over to prevent an accident. That's fine, I'm vigilant. I love the product. But it simply can't safely drive unassisted. It's pretty good at everything. 99.9% of the time it does what I would do or better. But that means in the average month it's screwing up several times, often in dangerous ways. So I just wish people would stop talking about it as if it's perfect already.
My 2020 model S doesn’t.
That's my concern with HW3. The cameras have much better resolution with HW4.
Huh? Not at all. It’s pretty flawless except I don’t have access to US fsd, so roundabouts aren’t yet available to me…
Camera resolution only means so much when the car isnt actually thinking ahead. So much of driving is not just reacting to what you are seeing bust antisipating and moving your car into an appropriate position for obstacles that are not yet visable. Its amazing to me how common the experience is for people to have a car sit in the left lane until half a mile before an exit. Or stay in the right lane even though signs say this lane is exit only in 2 miles.
Like when I turn it on in the middle lane at 74mph, and it immediately goes into the left land to pass the car in front of me going 73.8mph, but then proceeds to go 73mph in the left lane while the maximum speed is set to 84.
Omg my experience is the opposite. 5 lanes, 4 on the left are empty, rightmost is packed. Woah! We have to exit in just under <checks notes> 3 miles. Better get over now, 30mph under the limit for the freeway.
Basic AP is woefully behind FSD now.
Totally agree on the texting thing, spot on. Their model basically implies they feel it is safer to disengage FSD, text while driving, then re-engage FSD. It is obviously much, much safer to text while FSD is engaged. Yes, texting while driving is not safe. But people are going to do it. So do what is safer, and have them do it with FSD engaged and not while manually driving, like 90% of the drivers on the road are already doing that don't have access to FSD. I took a Waymo for the first time this past weekend and felt FSD was not far from it in terms of quality and Waymo obviously is fully driverless.
isn’t that what choosing between hurry and chill is supposed to do though? i can totally understand this behavior on chill, maybe even give it a pass on standard. but the entire point of hurry is that i want it to be aggressive and fast.
FSD Nag is actually dangerous. It going off on a turn or highway makes you upset the steering wheel which you should not do. Also if you are staring at the windshield you cannot even see the blue light flash nag - because you are not supposed to be looking at the screen all the time. Make the Nag an audio beep! Or just get rid of it altogether - the cameras know if you are monitoring the windshield or not.
I do complain a bit about my self driving car, but then I remember it’s driving by its self.
It has gotten a LOT better at this in 13.2.x. Still has some issues but far better than before.
standard mode has greatly reduced the lane changes for me. Hurry will still change lanes or stay in left lane too often imho
I always put it into chill when my exit is coming up. Although lately it's been getting over fairly early while in hurry. Right now my biggest gripe is using the incorrect lane in 2 lane roundabouts. Also using the wrong turn signal in roundabouts.
Yes, that's my understanding, but I don't think they've iterated on how those modes behave all that much since they released them. Chill/Standard/Hurry is a different system than what we used to have. They didn't really "bring it back" so much as re-implement it to work with FSD 13. IMO, they could spend months tweaking the modes and still would find people unhappy with certain behaviors, though. We haven't had an update in months, so they may have already been working on it and we just don't have it yet.
I just want to safely change my Spotify....I also find it bizarre the safer alternative needs to be shut off.
What happens if you press the accelerator when this happens?
It will override FSD and accelerate. Anytime FSD is active and you push the accelerator it will listen and go just like regular driving. Although sometimes you can feel acceleration pulse. You have to be careful tho. You can accelerate hard enough and it will drift over the lane lines.
These two comments are 99% of my irritation with FSD.
Will Tesla ever allow vision driving with basic autopilot!?
yup this is what upsets me most, using mirrors as I am supposed to and its like nag you need to look at the road. Then I get nagged again cause I looked at the screen. its instinctual to read the nag to see what its complaining about.
What hardware?
I imagine it's more a liability thing. If you can detect that a driver is not paying attention to the road like they are supposed, you need to warn them. The alternative is, you can detect a driver is not paying attention to the road like they are legally required to do so at the moment, but you just let them ... lawsuits galore.
>2-3 miles ahead of time like a normal driver Do not aspire to be normal. Normal drivers are the leading cause of traffic problems. Half a mile is really pushing it though. I tend to merge from the far left lane about 0.8 to 1.0 miles ahead (assuming no congestion). If it's congested I'll merge closer to the half mile distance like FSD, to avoid the "normal" drivers who caused 2-3 miles of congestion by getting in the exit lane and driving 20mph far ahead of the exit.
Newest version starts moving over about a mile before the exit.
When do I need FSD the most? When I need to use my phone. When is the only time FSD refuses to work? When I need to use my phone.
That's not a rolling stop. A rolling stop (aka California stop) is illegal because you don't actually stop, hence the "rolling" part. People who do that are unforgivable and dangerous. You can get to the perpendicular stop sign and come to a complete stop—hence it's your right of way—but they think that because they ***approached*** the stop sign before you did then it's their right of way, even though they never stopped.
Opposite boat here. "Oh you've got hurry mode on, max set to 85? The highway is pretty empty? Cool I'm gonna get behind this truck doing 55 in the right lane for 3 miles before your exit"
The car also has no memory. When you drive in a new city the first time, you make rookie mistakes about which lane is optimal or how the traffic moves. Locals don't have such issues, because you've learned the unique patterns about your drive. The car has no ability to cache it's common / local drives. A 16 year old, despite lower skill level behind the wheel, can easily remember stuff like that to prevent those rookie mistakes.
And puke in reality due to all the induced motion sickness..
The ability to cache common drives would be huge. The car could bolster nav data with real world memory of the 3d video from this morning / yesterday, which is what people do when it's not their first time driving on a road. The car could used cached data until / unless the cameras determine otherwise (live sensor data obviously taking precedence)
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Yep it’s pretty hopeless. Honestly, Tesla is living in a dream world with its FSD aspirations. What’s there is really good but what’s not there is truly astonishing.
This can be fixed, see apple software solution for this
People type in their destinations while driving?? I've always just used voice command.
FSD at the moment needs options. I just drove from the Bay Area to Vegas a week ago and it did great. Maintained speed well, and switched lanes at the right time. However, it’s completely unusable on my 15 mile drive from home to work. On 101 it refuses to go much over the speed limit even if it’s set to Hurry and 85 mph with no traffic. Even with HOV lanes off it tries to go into Fast Track lanes or carpool lanes. I really wish we had the old options for that drive where I could set the speed and tell it when to change lanes.
Yes, I would pay A LOT to be able to buy an accessory directly from tesla that displayed the cyber truck’s rear camera on a digital rear-view mirror!!! There are some third-party ones, but you have to install another camera that comes with the mirror, which is stupid when there is already one built in. Come on Tesla, let us give you some more money please!!!
I've always wondered... how do they see that? Cabin video should not be leaving the car.
Do you have to keep it mashed though or can you just tap it a bit to get it to "overcome" the NHTSA stop?
My S was considered legacy 2 months after I bought it in 2021 (portrait orientated screen). I don't have an internal camera so I don't get those nags. I still have to pull on the wheel occasionally, but the visual one sounds worse!
This is actually one of the worst parts. Sometimes you just want autopilot.
Glad to see the clear annoyance here about these excessive nags. Breaks the whole experience and makes it more dangerous, not less. Typical government policy backfiring.
It will accelerate as if FSD isn't enabled, there is no difference in sensitivity. A little push and hold will have it continue. I basically just press it as I would if FSD was off.
Yep. All the time.
The "next drive" happens when you shift Into park and back into drive. I wouldn't necessarily recommend doing that while stopped at a stoplight, but it has worked in the past. (I'm concerned the car will have one of those issues where it forgets that my phone is right there in the car with me and refuse to move...)
Yeah I have a trip coming up in a couple weeks & this is the first time I will skip subscribing to FSD. Only reason is the un-controllable lane changes. Would love to just sit in the carpool lane.
I unsubscribed a couple weeks ago and it was much strees free on the highway commute with just basic ap. Dont have to fight it with exiting / entering the HOV lanes either. Yes turning AP offv/ on to switch lanes is annoying and clunky - especially considering how other car manufacturers handle this case. They really should let us buy this feature.
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I can't believe I'm saying this but I much prefer Autopilot on highways than FSD It's so fricken annoying
What do you mean? You can set what they view or not. Also they don’t tie it to the vehicle either way. Also the AI recognition would tell them what is happening and then they would see disengagements. Pretty sure it is specially trained to look for phones based on how quick it tells.
Set up a second driver profile. I have one called EAP and I switch to that profile (while driving) and it gives me EAP.
No, the worst is when it bans you when you’re paying $100 a month and it decides randomly that you looked at your mirror too much so you get suspended for a week. $25 worth of software charge. You essentially have to continue paying Tesla when they will not provide their product.
I cover up my interior camera and just wait until the car tells me to touch the wheel every now and then. That’s so much better than this dumb overly sensitive attention monitoring. I’ve been yelled at for going in the menu to quickly change climate settings. I’ll always keep my eyes on the road and be ready to intervene but part of driving is brief period of looking away from the front, checking rear view mirror, side view mirrors, the massive tablet that literally requires you to look at it
mine gets into the right lane, then decides to merge 1-2 lanes left a half mile away or less, only to switch back those 1-2 lanes. even on completely empty roads.. lol
It’s trained on Cali drivers.
This is my main complaint with FSD.
They already said fsd won't work with hw3 and they will have to upgrade them all to hw4 for the people that purchased fsd. If you didn't purchase have fsd you will need to buy a newer tesla.
And it routinely moves into lanes that are ending. That’s aggravating.
Happened to me driving to Virginia and it missed a far right exit near the George Washington bridge in NYC. It recalculates and takes the correct surface streets to get back on track but it is so stressful for the driver who might normally cut across three lanes of traffic rather than miss an exit.
It's a California roll (like the food), not a California stop.
We called it a California stop growing up in California. https://imgur.com/a/93auMGr
Huh, I guess I learned something. I think it's funny they call out it's common in California and San Francisco area like it's uncommon anywhere.
Yeah, I just turned it off after I couldn't get it to stay in its lane. I just don't see the upside of FSD at the moment. I have to think less to just drive than to wait for it to do something crazy.
I have spent 10 years learning every trick of my commute - merge far left now, take this cloverleaf exit but then reenter, get in the second lane from the right from this exit to that exit… - I need to be able to teach FSD my wisdom, not disengage it during the most annoying transitions so it doesn’t trap me in the triple merge lane when I should be in the secret left lane coming up that blows by everyone.
" I change lane now!"
I’m picking mines up this week. What are the chances these minor nuances are resolved?
As far as I can tell, you cannot set a specific speed maximum limit while using FSD. You can only set a % relative to the speed limit of the road on which you're driving. I think you can set a top speed absolute limit using Autopilot, but not FSD.
yes you can. you just choose hurry and rock up the right scroll wheel until you hit 85mph. the offset caps, so i never use that.
There's no way that works on higher speed limit roads unless you have the offset setting at a very low % limit, right? For example, on a 70 MPH interstate and the default (recommended) +40% offset, your top speed maximum would be 98 MPH. You can't "rock up the scroll wheel to 85 MPH," as you said, in that scenario. Your scenario also doesn't work on lower speed limit roads. I don't want the vehicle to ratchet itself up to 85 MPH on an empty 45 MPH speed limit parkway, for example. What would be ideal is a setting that allows owners to simply set an exact MPH over the speed limit instead of a % over the speed limit. Then we wouldn't have to be constantly playing with the scroll wheel.
bro…i literally have the car and do this everyday? why are you trying to argue about it? lol it doesn’t matter what the speed limit on the road is, if my car is in FSD i can set it to 85mph. does it actually go 85mph when we’re on side streets? no, but it’ll run up to 60-65 depending on where i’m driving at.
#metoo You just pointed out the facts as I've already been presenting them. I'm unsure why you kept arguing with me, but I guess the good news is you finally came to the correct conclusion. Setting FSD to 85 MPH isn't a thing. There is no such setting within the Controls menu. You can override the "% offset" setting with the scroll wheel, but that's unhelpful on lower speed limit roads, just like the "% offset" setting is unhelpful on higher speed limit roads. LOL imagine thinking it's okay to be driving 55-60 MPH on a road with a 35 MPH speed limit. I drive fast, not stupidly. I think we can both agree the best setting Tesla can provide in the future is one which allows owners to set a specific amount of MPH above the posted speed limit. That would solve all the problems.
I watch the late exit as avoiding incoming merges from the right until the last 3/4 to one mile, and the car is perfectly capable of merging and getting off. If it can’t, it will reroute. I’ve seen human drivers wait till the last minute and just stop. My car drove from SFO to Vegas with no required intervention other than my desire for a reroute or particular charging stall.
V13 is amazing. Did a 500 mile trip in and out of cities and highways without issue. Love FSD.
FSD V13 is amazing when I take the highway.
The lack of lane discipline pissed me off. With unobstructed traffic flow I stay in the rightmost lane on the freeway except to pass, but FSD kept wanting to get over to the left even though there was nobody in front of me and the lane wasn't ending or anything. That plus lack of ability to control steering myself and just use TACC, which is situational but those situations *do* exist, I actually prefer regular autopilot.
Is it not possible to have unsupervised be speed based? I love using it in stop and go traffic. But hate having to just stare at the back of a car the whole way. Seems like that would be a good place to allow unsupervised. Say speed has to stay under 15-20mph or something. …just the tip.
Oof, that's bad. Thank god it wasn't trained on Jersey drivers then. We need some good middle ground states like Pennsylvania and Nevada. Large states with cities and a mix of courtesy drivers not driving like ass.
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