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From the article: The Canadian government has frozen $43 million in electric vehicle (EV) rebate payments owed to Tesla and declared the automaker ineligible for all future iZEV (Incentives for Zero-Emission Vehicles) programs, citing a combination of trade tensions and concerns over potential misuse of the program. The decision was confirmed by Chrystia Freeland, who was recently appointed as Transport Minister. According to Freeland, the freeze was ordered before the election was called, and payments will remain suspended until every claim submitted by Tesla is reviewed individually. “No payments will be made until we are confident that the claims are valid,” said Freeland in a statement to the Tornoto Star. “I also directed my department to change the eligibility criteria for future iZEV programs to ensure that Tesla vehicles will not be eligible for incentives so long as the illegitimate and illegal U.S. tariffs are imposed against Canada.” The move comes in response to a last-minute surge in rebate claims submitted by Tesla in the final days of the iZEV program. According to government data, Tesla filed thousands of claims in just 72 hours that exhausted the remaining funds in the program nearly overnight. While many are claiming Tesla abused the program, the more likely scenario is that Tesla rushed to file claims for cars it had already sold, but not yet sought the rebate. More than 200 independently owned Canadian dealerships were left out of pocket by approximately $10 million, having already advanced rebates to customers with the expectation of government reimbursement. Freeland’s office confirmed that these dealers would still receive these rebates, regardless of the outcome of the investigation into Tesla’s claims.
Sad ..
Makes sense , it’s pretty clearly fraud or at the very least abusive of the system.
"kickback"?
This is only 0.043% of Tesla's revenue last year. I think they'll be okay.
Incredibly stupid. Elon Musk has absolutely nothing to do with tariffs, yet is being singled out by the Canadian government. Pierre polievre btw would be no different. All OEMs from the US should have the same tariffs but no, we show how weak we are. Thousands of buyers now on the hook for thousands more than they anticipated. No different than the stupid Chinese EV tariffs. Are we not championing innovative clean energy companies, or are we killing them?
I seriously doubt Tesla just submitted fraudulent claims like so many sources (not this one) seem to be suggesting, or even outright claiming. Just seems like they batch submitted a large amount of sales at once. Unless this was strictly prohibited, I don't see why this is being made to be such a big deal.
Because Elon stories get clicks. Aint no one care about Ford or Chevy.
kIcKBAcK!!! lol, geez these articles.
This story has been building momentum over the last month or so. As I understand it, the [Toronto Star reported on it first](https://archive.ph/vpwmL). *We don't know the specifics of what's up*. Tesla is not a traditional dealership, in that they operate their own stores. This could be something as simple as "Tesla had a paperwork backlog and funneled everything through this one store" or it can be Tesla straight up abusing the rebate system. The reality is that no one knows what happened, just that it did, and every time another province excludes Tesla, they bring up this story as an "explanation" of "one of the reasons" why this is happening, but as of yet, we don't know the specifics behind what Tesla was doing with the rebates. It *looks* shady, but let's not forget that the internet was *ablaze* about how [Tesla "lost" $1.4 billion dollars](https://archive.ph/Au7wY), and now the publication has [written a retraction](https://archive.ph/evAlg) regarding it. *Bad news* about Tesla will always get more click and attention than good news, because that's how people feel about Tesla at the moment. If/when an explanation for this rebate thing pops up, don't expect it to be spread around as much as the current "Look! Tesla is evil!" narrative that's being pushed heavily right now. Everyone and their mother is looking for any dirt on Tesla because that's what the "people" want to see. These articles about Tesla are often the same thing over and over again, "Look! Tesla did something bad!" followed a little later on with "Wait, my bad, it only *looked* suspicious" **Tesla, if you're reading this, you *really* need to get with Elon about spooling up your PR department again. No, it shouldn't be necessary, but people need facts when weird shit is going on, and people are finding weird shit at an all time high**
Same. Let’s see what they determine after they check em all
It’s much more about the statement than the actual figures.
The phrase “sleeping with the devil” is a figurative expression meaning to associate with someone or something that is likely to cause harm or trouble, or to make a deal with someone untrustworthy
I’m telling you now Idiotic liberal government is desperately trying to find dirt on Tesla and this will end up being waste of resources
lol no it isn’t. They announced the program was ending so submissions were rushed in before a deadline.
maybe it was a tax related decision where it made sense to report sales before tariffs kicked in
You're right. It has politics written all over it.
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They stole bank accounts of the truck protestors. Now they attack Testla. Appears they are not a free country.
And I don’t think it was even sales though. It was registering for rebates after orders were placed.
Canadians hate Tesla more than they like clean air.
And pathetic
Sold my tesla today as a Canadian. When BYD is unbanned, I'll be getting one of those.
The one nice thing I can say about this is that at least they are covering those dealerships for rebates they had already given out. In the end I see this hurting consumers and EV adoption in Canada more than anything else. It is very much a performative move.
Agreed comrade! They should learn to be free like the glorious Motherland!
This hurts Canada's EV adoption more than it hurts Tesla. No one talks about the Big Oil Lobby. Tell me the politicians behind this aren't influenced by the oil lobby. They've been lobbying so long and are so good at it that they remain entirely in the shadows.
Canadians like their sovereignty more than they like Tesla.
That's the assumption, we don't have the answer yet
There are other EV options in Canada
Yeah my thoughts exactly Canada sounds like a dictatorship recently
This hurts Canada more than Tesla lol
Tariffs are only bad when America does it, am I right?
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I guess we’ll find out . I want Tesla to succeed but I find it unlikely they’d actually sell that many cars in a couple of days . If they’d been sitting on submissions for weeks and deliveries were already complete they should definitely get their money. If they “sold” the cars to a corporate entity at arms length in the span of a couple of days , that’s not cool.
cool story bro!
No one is saying there aren't, but atm Tesla is the most mature EV company out there. And with most major car manufacturers switching over to use the Tesla supercharger network, that is another thing to consider. How do they separate Tesla the car company from Tesla the supercharger infrastructure? Overall I just see this immediate move as a bigger roadblock to overall EV adoption and expansion than specifically hurting Elon.
I worked in a traditional dealer and fraudulent incentive claims were extremely common. This wouldn't surprise me at all
you know what would benefit ev consumers? BYD and china. If they push us to the point where we open that door it isn't closing and Ford will never sell a car here again.
welcome to trade wars. shoot yourself in the foot and hope for collateral damage. we'll build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. Narrator: they didn't pay for it
It's not hard, Tesla isn't the only one that's going to offer NACS stations moving forward and besides, nothing changes for the supercharger network. Also the changes don't stop people from buying Tesla's but instead gives an incentive towards other EV options. Other manufacturers are catching up pretty quickly and there are good alternatives. Hopefully Canada will also open the door to Chinese EVs.
Perhaps, but do you think if Tesla the car company is shut out that Tesla the infrastructure company is going to be incentivized to continue building out and expanding and/or supporting existing infrastructure? There are other NACS solutions, but none of them have been as good or stable as Tesla. Also many of the other options are more expensive than Tesla's as well.
As a Canadian Tesla owner for almost 6 years, you don’t need to feel bad for us. This really isn’t harming us at all, because at this point Elon has actually made it a no brainer for us to spend 10k more to get an equivalent range EV from another brand.
All they had to say was that the first X number of each brand qualify for EV rebates. Tesla would deplete first.
That is a dumb system where the government says that brands should split up into more brands or be punished for not doing so. Better that they are just upfront with the fact that it is Tesla they have a problem with.
Hmmm... I wonder if getting all that inventory they can't sell out of Canada is gonna allow Canada to collect tariffs on allowing the cars to cross the border. That would just be chef's kiss.
But Tesla isn't getting shut out though, they just don't qualify for the EV incentives. There are already a multitude of companies in Canada that offer charging services in parking lots, malls, etc...the only problem is that not as many are fast chargers. So I agree, the Tesla supercharging network doesn't have any current competition. Vancouver for example has a solid amount of non-supercharger LVL 3 chargers, but Tesla is still by far the best and most convenient option. Disclaimer, I've myself only used the superchargers.
Sounds like Canada didn't have a robust enough system to ensure even participation. They could have had a manufacture cap, export cap, etc. Not really Teslas fault for following their rules.
They already got your money
> Bad news about Tesla will always get more click and attention than good news, because that’s how people feel about Tesla at the moment. Bad news *in general* gets more clicks and views. The media is sensationalized for a reason.
Why? Elon has largely been quiet about Canada. DOGE doesn’t effect Canada. I know the answer, it’s because a lot of Canadians know more about US politics and culture wars than Canada’s own. This is why you get trolled about 51st state.
You're defending a US PRESIDENT for "trolling." You're an idiot. A US PRESIDENT should not be "trolling." Actually, you fit in this sub.
someone will buy a used tesla instead of a new one
I hope it’s not the case but hard to see how some locations are selling a vehicle every 2-3 minutes or something like it. They’re popular cars but the logistics of clearing 4000 cars out of one sales center in 72 hours is difficult to reconcile .
Just like that $1.4 billion financial issue that went away, this probably will too.
Do you think it really matters in politics what the truth is?
Ok that’s right there Karma…..well done
I'm understanding the size of the fund is finite, yes? When funds run out, no more claims are accepted yes? So At the very least, it reflects just terrible business practices to let those stack up on someone's desk, they should have been submitted at the earliest practical time. Maybe do at most weekly batches, not save them all up til the end of the program. Especially if they have already given the money to the customer.
We see a LOT in the US because there are income and census-line limits, so if you move, get a bonus or just don't understand your income, surprise! In that case the customer just has a bad year on their Form 1040.
> This is why you get trolled about 51st state. This is disqualifying behavior. It's always just "trolling" until it's not. Have some minimal level of ethics.
If it quacks like a duck...
Job well done
It is such a big deal because all the claims apparently went through just two or three dealerships which is fucking weird in the context of how many there are in Canada. There is absolutely no justification for the volume of orders they were submitting all once, there’s a lot of details that seem fucky
Was your car built in the US or China? How much money did you lose?
How is that defending? I’m just stating a fact. Btw I’m old enough to remember Canada has always been made fun of by the US. So many tv shows (South Park being one of the most memorable) did it; it was how Americans felt about Canada…this isn’t new.
It’s trolling. Canada is not going to be a state. “It’s not even a real country anyways” was a popular lyric from south park. It’s been part of American culture to shit on Canada for a very long time.
You can't joke about invading another country, especially if your the acting POTUS! Also the “It’s not even a real country anyways” was a joke making fun of nationalists, how. on. earth. do you unironically use that line.
Ev adoption is already done if they just allo Chinese EVs to be sold in the NA
Just open up to Chinese EV and reduce Tarrifs from 100% to 10%
Great job supporting innovation Canada.
Well, this is an automotive subreddit, not a political one, so I'd like to think that the people coming here are more concerned abut the automotive angle, not the political one. There's plenty of other subreddits out there that allow for discussion of the political end of things, and folks are welcome to go there.
Yeah, exactly, don't let the truth get in the way of a good headline. "Kickbacks"? They're rebates. Sheesh. Anything to make Tesla look bad.
Musk is doing his best to run Tesla into the ground
Canadians can now manually drive inferior EV's or go back to guzzling ICE cars...
I agree with a bit of nuance: It was a batch filing and not fishy at all. With this caveat: they rushed it forward specifically because they knew what was coming and wanted to pocket the money before it was denied (like it is now) due to the unnecessary trade war from an administration that the head of Tesla ties himself to. In *that* sense it was *sleezy*, but certainly not illegal or shadier than that context
To be fair, Elon has for decades been an attention whore with "all news is good news because it gets the brand into people's heads like free advertising" as his modus operandi. It's an intentional strategy for him and he knows it's a double edged sword. So que sera sera.
Maybe when he arbitrarily fired like 25% of Teslas entire workforce last year he should have considered that could LOSE TESLA MONEY on the backend. Just like arbitrarily and illegally firing govt workers has now mandated back pay for the time the fired workers sat at home... And many are on rehired into administrative leave, getting paid to do nothing because they fired entire depts so haphazardly that they cannot even give them jobs back. His complete lack of foresight and a modicum of compassion or empathy is finally coming home to roost.
This is all very much remindful of the tiddly-winking leapfroggers from the golden summer of 1914. We will see how bullish folks are in 1918.
>but instead gives an incentive towards other EV options. There's no incentives anymore, that was the last of it federally.
Elon hurt Tesla more than anything.
Can confirm. I bought Tesla stock in 2017 and he's totally TANKED the value of the company sine then. I'm financially devastated by Elon's mismanagement of his trillion dollar business
Yeah I'm glad we as Canadians are cutting Tesla off.
Yeah, thinking ahead and being HR-smart isn't really the habit of people in his ... *social circle*.
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I sense a lawsuit coming.
I'm glad you got rid of it.
Yeah that would certainly be a game changer. But with current relations between Canada and China, it would look incredibly weak for Canada to do so.
Apparently it's not the first time they submitted batches...5600 rebates submitted over a 3 day stretch in august, and over 1000 a few other times. But this many seems sus to me just because sales were down down down. Idk though it could be legit. As far as I'm concerned though, tesla shouldn't have been eligible for any of our govt money at any time.
I wouldn't consider that sleazy if that's how it played out. Not sure why Tesla should be denied their rightfully owed claims just because there is a current trade dispute between the countries.
There are plenty of other ev manufacturers that aren't led by a psychopath
Well done Canada…very well done.
They are so stupid. They are still trying to be fair by only revoking rebates on future sales!
Tesla hasn't inovated anything since their superchargers and battery tech. How's self driving going??
Goebbels had nothing to do with Hitler and his holocaust! All he did was promote him every chance he had, by controlling the media and raising funds!
You do know what the term "psychopath" means?
ICE wearing masks and abducting university students doesn't sound like a free country.
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so tell them to wait another couple years. there is always risk in purchasing shares; if they didn’t realise that, that’s their fault
They don’t.
Yeah and they suck
Get out of here. They’re the first auto manufacturer to successfully implement a 48v electrical system across an entire car (apart from the drivetrain), among many other recent developments. Tesla is still innovating. There is no question.
Nobody in the market for a new car, settles on a used one, or vice versa.
Canada is only hurting themself
Wow, freezing EV kickbacks is absurd.
That’s a whole lot of nothing, they did something clearly shady and it’s being investigated, has nothing to do with politics. If all the rebates were legitimate then they’ll get their money, simple. Using politics as a scapegoat when they do something wrong is just lazy
Tesla basically stopped selling cars in Canada. They raised their prices so much that it doesn't make any sense to buy a Tesla instead of a Hyundai. Taxes and EV rebates included, the Model 3 is now $26k more than what I paid for mine 5 months ago.
Going the way of Blackberry.
Good on you, seriously.
Canada is doing what they do best...having a sissy fit
Fraudulent incentive claims at a traditional dealer are much easier, because you technically "sell" the car to the dealer from the manufacturer. Tesla cannot do this, because the dealers are Tesla-owned, not separate entities.
It's too bad Elon can not just fire the Canadian government officials investigating him for fraud like he did in the US...
I’m Chinese and I always thought that Canada was part of the US until now.
And proof that none of this was ever about the environment
Doesn't this Hurt Canadian consumers more than the US or Tesla?
The kickbacks go to the dealership. Not to consumers.
I guess I do not understand how EV incentive programs work in Canada . Only the dealers receive rebates / kickback from the government , not the car buyers ? that seems odd.
Elbows up Canada! Keep the good work up !
They are far more high-quality compared to a Tesla, we get them in Australia and honestly if they sold them in the US/Canada, they would absolutely crush Tesla.
Why? They're just gonna investigate cause the submissions were weird and other auto dealers are concerned. If it's all legit they'll get their money and everybody will move on. Can't hurt to just investigate and verify.
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none of what?
not as absurd as selling 4k teslas from one dealership in one day
And Canada put 100% tarrifs on them (hi BYD!)
God forbid we don’t give out free money to the company funding the guy who’s threatening invasion and infringing on Canadian sovereignty. Holy entitled
Nobody is going to get this extremely obvious sarcasm, and it is very sad.
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