Tesla Affordable EV Coming This Year As Smaller, Cheaper Model Y | The new EV, codenamed “E41,” will use existing parts and assembly lines but will cost at least 20% less than the

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Makes sense. Small SUVs are the most popular. I read that addressable market increases 40% for every 10% in price reduction.

Whatever. If that had come in place of the wedge or the x then that would have been good.

Chat is this real?

most likely only available in China and selected Asian countries.

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And if they had been selling it for six months already then they’d be fine? Cheaper vehicles still get more sales.

this guy speaks for all of europe

The expensive things help test technology for the cheap ones.

Source?

Indeed.

I’m curious to see what features would be omitted like heated steering wheel for example or change for cheaper materials like cloth seats, no glass roof, etc.

That's it, pack up and close the business, this guy clearly knows.

Will it be named "lower case y"

I think it needs a glass roof for weight reduction? I’m not sure though

Oh that’s a good point idk why my brain thought no glass = cheaper lmao

Well no, no, you are right, but I don’t think they can go that way.

Yeah I think you great point tho for the weight and range aspect bc I would imagine these things wouldn’t have a crazy big battery pack so maximizing efficiency would probably be the biggest selling point to be able to eek out like 250ish miles of range or something

I think it needs a glass roof, because that’s where the solar panels will go. Once perfected 😏

Very possible you’re right on this. But I’ve been on Reddit long enough to know if everyone on Reddit is behind something than the opposite will be true.

I know that was their approach since way back work the roadster. And it worked but then there weee those hubris pieces I mentioned. They tested camera based self driving. Bah Humbug!

Sweet chillie

Oh yes please I don’t drive a lot but also don’t have hone charging. I would love to find mu car with more battery than what it had last time.

If there’s something the right hates more than EVs it’s small cars.

This lie again, must be time to rescue the stock price.

That's how all technology works

Article says, “That’s what happened in Mexico last year, when Tesla started selling a cheaper version of the electric sedan with cloth seats, no rear-facing screen, white-only ambient lighting and no heated seats or steering wheel. In doing so, the base Model 3 in Mexico costs roughly $4,000 less than the U.S.-bound EV.” So they’ll probably do same thing with Y

Solar panels on cars has been investigated and it's a really bad idea. It will increase costs with a tiny impact on range.

Aptera’s the only one I know of that’s coming out with legit solar charging.

I hope so lol

Like it or not this is right. They already a middle of the pack in china for the 3 with many brands, some having multiple models sellling more than the 3. The y is in the same boat too. The competition down market is even more fierce.

A massive slab of glass weighs much more than a thin slice of aluminum and headliner. The original Model 3, the $35k version that didn’t make it to production, had no glass roof, economy grade door paneling, cloth seats, manual seats, stripped down audio, none of the winter QOL items, smallest battery, single motor. My guess is this car ends up being what that car was expected to be.

We need the opposite, a real SUV (bigger)!!!!

Tesla is building an LFP plant in Texas that will use 4680 form factor. You'd think these would end up in a cheaper model==right now they are destined for the cybercab.

I would buy the cheaper one as long as it has the same hitch/hauling ability. I don't need glass roof/heated stuff/fake leather. It would have to be able to FSD however.

Probably gonna be a model Y without features like: * heated steering wheel * heated seats * premium sound * rugs * backseat screen * mood lighting * automatic rear hatch closing It will probably have: * smaller battery or software locked range * one motor only * only one tier level

That's really all this is.

Desperate attempts to salvage the stock. I'll believe it when I see it.

Sounds awesome because that rear screen was already the most unnecessary waste of money ever.

Dad here. My family doesn’t agree with that statement at all. Videos. Games. “Are we there yet” instantly stops being asked. Same with “can you turn on my seat heater” or climate requests. It’s great. I’ve heard nothing but the same from other families.

Not bad, it's just the needed surface is too small on a regular car. Solar needs like 3 car roofs worth to make a dent.

Oh nice! I’ll read it now gym before work and was just reading comments and reacting without reading but now I have something entertaining to read before work!

I mean that could be solved with an iPad and a seat heater button. It’s 2025, there isn’t a need to have these kinds of things built into a car as permanent infrastructure.

Idk what Tesla charges for the screen but you can buy a sling to put an iPad on a seat for $20

tell that to bmw i7 EV

I’d strip it down even further. Make it an ideal vehicle for someone who doesn’t give a shit about super performance or premium interior while also retaining the EV experience (so obviously don’t touch any of the software, tech, or route planning capabilities). Give us a car that starts at 25-30K.

yummy

Only a lie until it actually happens.

Realistically thought doesn’t that screen probably cost Tesla like $100 wholesale?

Not sure how much more of the interior you can strip down. It’s already pretty bare bones, un-premium imho

So now you have to purchase an iPad, bring it with you every time, and strap it to the back of a seat (ugly and only one person can reach it)… We’re calling that an improvement?

Vs a tiny screen that’s only useful when in the car and has a tiny fraction of utility, yes I call that an improvement.

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True. I suppose you could make the trunk and seats manual instead of powered but not sure how much that saves.

Good luck

"smaller, cheaper Model Y" ...so not a Model Y?

Size is the issue. Model Y is still a tank to drive in small cities in Europe

It WILL happen. That’s why Tesla is one of the biggest solar panel investors. My son goes to a special high school, that has something like a 1% acceptance rate. The biggest thing they showed us at orientation was the solar powered car they built for a contest. This is the future of EV tech. That’s why teslas have a glass roof. Because they know they will soon be putting solar panels on them. Because if the battery recharges daily, from the sun, there is no cost of gas or electricity to recharge. Just like the satellites and space stations.

The upcoming telo truck will offer an aptera tile solar roof over the cab for $1500, that will offer up to 12ish miles of range daily, and another $1500 for solar tonneau or bed cap that will offer another 15? In total it was 27 miles under optimum conditions.

Using today’s tech. At my son’s high school (one of the best in America) they built a solar car. The whole top is solar panels. Eventually, a solar roof Tesla is coming.  To replace gas AND the need to plug in. This isn’t maybe. It is definitely. The same as the satellites, space stations and Mars rovers.

They should have done one based off the cybertruck platform.

Model Y - 20%… £36k and up Model 3 … £40k and up So it’s £4K less than Model 3 and that makes it ‘affordable’ ? Or ‘10% off a Model 3’? That doesn’t sound like a massive game changer to me.

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And let's not forget what happens when the battery dies on that iPad...

Thinking 18” wheels too

Exactly, this is literally what options were invented for.

lmao no

I'm very doubtful, personally.

If that's all Tesla can manage to do for a entry level, cheaper car, ouch. They are not going to do well globally. Might boost them a little bit in the US due to tariff protectionism.

What about exterior? Remove matrix headlights, remove frameless windows, remove powered trunk...

Not only all the things /u/OSUfan88 mentioned, but also every time you get out of the vehicle if you don't take the iPad down you have a clearly obvious item enticing someone to break into your vehicle and steal. Sure won't feel like an improvement finishing a road trip with a busted window. And you have to keep track of the iPad in the house in anticipation of leaving - not the easiest of things if a kid has access to it and leaves it somewhere in the house. So then you've added one more thing to keep track of and ensure you bring with you, vs. a dedicated screen mounted in the car that you can't lose. With kids, that's a great improvement. And so what if the screen is tiny? It's for kids to watch/play with in a car, not for the family to sit back and watch a movie on Saturday night.

You might want to look at that solar car more closely. They have been made for decades as part of competitions. They have *incredibly* optimized designs to maximize surface area while minimizing aerodynamic drag, exceedingly light weight materials (no significant crash structure), and dinky tires to minimize rolling resistance. Hardly the "wave of the future" to replace our cars.

When I test drove some teslas I really felt most of the frills were totally unnecessary. Lots of people dislike paying for luxury and just want the basic product.

You fucking charge it? lolwut? You are in a car with charging ports why would it die?

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yeah but it costs you a hell of a lot more.

I don't know. On one hand, production of frameless windows is already here. On the other, frameless windows surely come with their own extra costs, otherwise all cheap cars would have them.

steelies <3

Tesla has already stated they didn't think solar on their vehicles was worth it. Even in their newest cybercab with a big roof space they aren't doing it, nor did they release the solar tonneau that was hinted for the cybertruck.

I don't know about you, but I've lost like 4 charge cables from kids. They can't keep their damn feet on the floor. They crawl on everything. I'm super happy to have a ruggedized screen permanently back there, vs an iPad they can drop, snap charging plugs off in, etc. Oddly enough, my daughter doesn't even want an iPad or a phone during trips anymore. She loves that it's just there, always works, always charged, ready to go I guess. Having her keep her phone clean, charged and not lost is a losing battle. Any drive, it's just there and ready.

I believe we call that the Model 3

I feel like people that don't get the rear screen, don't have kids. There is something illogical about it also, where kids just LOVE having it built into the car for THEM. Done a few road trips now, and it's still a hit, tempted to cancel the cell service on her phone, it's left, lost, in her bedroom with a dead battery more than usually since getting the new car.

Idk man M3p is more than the Y I think

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If you are occupying your kids time with a screen, you probably already have an iPad.

Oh yeah, because no one *ever* takes a charging cable from its spot. Especially not kids. Nope, never.

How many kids do you have? Playing IT guy for them and their devices is a losing battle. A charged set of bluetooth headphones kept up front, and we're set for any trips.

Hopefully mechanical door handles.

Maybe with older kids this isn't an issue, but young ones will climb on everything, snap USB plugs off in sockets, drop iPads and shatter them on the concrete, delete your E-mails, send your saved photos to your boss, and spend all of your money on TSLA shares while it's down. Okay, maybe not all those things, but they're great for blaming things on. A dedicated little screen for games, videos, road trip info and climate is great, and I've only heard positive things from fellow families with rear screens.

I think most people were expecting a sub $25K vehicle, not $37K, its 50% more.

The difference between that and keeping a pair of wired headphones to plug into an iPad is… Idk to everyone their own. It just doesn’t seem like a real problem to me. And I’d much rather hang an iPad on the back of a seat than have my kids crane their neck down to look at a display that’s far below eye level.

It may increase pricing since they wouldn’t really be ordering enough in bulk compared to their power seats

I literally don't keep charge cables in the back anymore. They disappear, they snap off IN THE DAMN USB SOCKET, or just get bent to fck. I feel like most of these comments are from single men with Performance Model 3s that don't know how to even put a car seat in. lol

Exactly….. where is the market for a cheaper option when the desire of Telsa in Europe has plummeted so far that 2021 model 3 are already going for £13k… and that price looks set to keep reducing

Again, the iPad has to stay up front, charging, when they aren't using it. If not, it'll be empty, and not in the car when you drive somewhere. If you keep it in the back, it'll get stolen, charge cables will be yanked, stamped, bent, etc. The iPad HAS to be meticulously locked down, or the kids will do stuff they aren't support to on it. Updates will break the settings and you'll have to randomly check that they aren't able to delete your E-mails or something. This is, unless you want to spend hundreds on a dedicated iPad for the car, with their own settings and accounts linked to it, in which case...rear screen is likely cheaper anyways, especially with cell service for an iPad. And again, it will be dropped. A bunch. If it leaves the car and doesn't live in it, it will 100% be dropped monthly at a minimum. So, it needs to live, hidden, in the car, up front, charging. So it can be used in the back without a cable, cables that disappear and break. So, every trip they'll ask for it to be mounted and you get to have that fight. Maybe...trips over 15 minutes you install it for them? I've offered all sorts of screen alternatives for longer road trips. They don't mind its location. They aren't 6'2, they can "sit" on the couch upside down watching Bluey for an hour without issue, their necks are fine.

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IMO keeping kids off screens as much as possible is an upgrade. If used too much they induce myopia. Same goes for electronic side mirrors. Might have to go back to playing I spy.

They probably will; they aren’t going to create new processes and manufacturing just to take away a feature like that

So a model 3 with a usable trunk, got it.

They don’t “charge” anything, it comes standard.

They could just name it the Model 3.

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Sales up 40% in UK. I think Reddit is giving folks the wrong impression

Like I said, to each their own, just think it's kinda funny you think it's such a hassle to keep an iPad charged vs keeping bluetooth headphones charged. imo, if you just said, I don't wanna have to worry about the kids forgetting the iPad I would've said fair enough. Anywho you're clearly happy with your solution, I just don't think it's necessary to put in every car, when many people: \- don't have kids \- won't drive their kids on long enough trip to need an entertainment center \- will use an iPad anyways For a car with such minimalist design principles, it's odd having a feature like that.

The sales numbers speak for Europe. They are brutal.

We did no screens until they're 2, and then only very limited. Too much research on the developmental impact on the brain from just putting them in front of a screen as a babysitter all day. On road trips, we cycle between reading, screen time, and activities we bring and usually bust out one per charge trip. Daughter gets motion sick if she eats, then watches a screen while moving, so for road trips, that alone helps us keep her off screens often. Screen use can contribute to myopia, but it's not the cause. Glancing at a screen up front, after focusing far away, can be good for you. You contract and relax the muscles in your eyes. If you were staring at a side view mirror screen for hours on a road trip, it probably would contribute to eye strain, but I hope no one is doing that. My standing rule is no screen use on 15 minute or shorter trips. Which she can see as soon as she gets in, because the ETA is apparently displayed on her screen. hah. Medium range trips, she'll play her farm game or whatever it is, for 20 minutes or something, unless she has a good book she really wants to finish.

400 dollar ipad vs 1000s of dollars more expensive car hmmmmm

See, I worry too much. :)

Source on it being "$1,000's more expensive".

They'd better also be working on a full size 3-row SUV to take up excess capacity on the Cybertruck lines. Use the same platform, battery, 48V, steer-by-wire etc. to build an Ioniq 9 competitor.

They got rid of the physical rear HVAC controls. They had to add a screen. Longer term, it's a robotaxi feature. Get in any Model Y, the HVAC is set to the temp you want, and even pointing air at what you want for the seat you're in. Every car is set up to be your perfect ride, radio, temps, even ambient lighting. If it's there, may as well make the most out of it! Even without kids, it's nice to see the travel info when you have adults in the back. Plus change fan speed, temps, seat heating options. Last car had...manual vent adjustments for rear passenger, and that was it. It uses the main computer for graphics, when Bluetooth's connected to it, it turns off the rear speakers automatically. The cost was whatever a 8" touch screen costs now days, and a few feet of wiring. Seems worth it for the extra abilities, since the screen needs to be there for HVAC already. Doubt it adds much to the car. Can always hang an iPad for each kid in addition, and just use it for nav and HVAC info. Plus, if you don't want it at all and need to save a buck: # Tesla Affordable EV Coming This Year As Smaller, Cheaper Model Y | The new EV, codenamed “E41,” will use existing parts and assembly lines but will cost at least 20% less than the Model Y. lol

literally anybody in this sub who has talked about the cost of replacing their screen

1. Cost of replacing an item does not mean that's what it costs Tesla to install it. I would be shocked if their cost to install is more than $100. Likely less. 2. Why are people paying for a Model 3/Y screen? They should all be under warranty still.

people who've never owned a car think the interior is premium

u/Dr_Pippin is right. Yes, you can make solar powered cars. They have existed for many years. They will never be something you could fit a family in with storage room that can travel long distances at high speeds nor would you ever want to get in a wreck while in one. To keep mass down they lack critical safety features. They are toys and will remain that way.

Just like they would never make the cybertruck? You think they can't make a smaller Y? That's not even ambitious lol.

New account commenting on Tesla's stock price...hmm.

I hope they remove the glass roof - these glass roof panels are useless to me (they just look cool but are not that useful in practice - they let in too much sun and they constantly break from flying road debris on the freeway).

The main thing to strip down to lower costs would likely be a smaller battery.

There probably would be some market for a low-range model. Plenty of people need a 2nd car they'll never drive more than 40 or 50 miles in a day.

Manual adjust steering column as well.

Was replying to OP comment about stripping down interior more. But article also mentions battery: “it’s likely that the American automaker will use the same electric motors and battery packs as those found in the current Model 3 and Model Y.”

Also weather makes it very unreliable to maintain peak energy draw for a household car, 365 days a year. This is why home energy storage and home solar is so much better to capitalize on stationary gains.

That's surprising--it feels pretty small as far as SUVs are concerned. If it's a tank, I'd think the Model 3 would be more appropriate. That or maybe a cheaper, smaller version of the Model 3 instead of the Y.

Another [guy on reddit](https://preview.redd.it/hmtwdglluxge1.png?width=1661&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f4761b7d7a12ff6b137f185657efae28a4fe744) made a 2000W panel suitable for a Tesla, it quadruples the surface area of the roof and even in best conditions, it's able to 8% charge per day. Is it feasible yes, is it very practical with today's technology, no.

How much does it increase the cost of the car? And are you and fellow families happy with that cost vs the "hassle" of lugging around a tablet and the logistics that go along with it? The cost there is an important number in this conversation imo.

All fair points, and I got a kid, just not old enough for that yet. I'd be interested in how much that back seat screen impacts the price of the car. If its $5000 I absolutely would say screw it and deal with how "annoying" a tablet is. If its $200 then I'm definitely on your side. Definitely something considering cutting for the economy model. Maybe my opinion will change in 4 years XD

Any tint shop can apply a 5% limo tint to the glass roof that blocks even the harsh Phoenix sun. I’ve used it on every car for the past 30 years of driving. Plus, keeping a glass roof in good shape is much easier than maintaining a metal clear coat.

Commenting on Tesla Affordable EV Coming This Year As Smaller, Cheaper Model Y | The new EV, codenamed “E41,” will use existing parts and assembly lines but will cost at least 20% less than the Model Y....is coming like Jesus. So is never coming. Lol

Why would someone buy the regular cost Model Y if this is available and offers 80-85%% of the features?

There will be more than one version. One at least will be smaller than a current Model Y, The various versions will be built in China, EU, and North America. I don't understand all these comments about the desirability of rear screens, seat materials or features. If I have the money, I'd buy the Model I want. If I don't have the money I'll buy something else, something used, or do without.

It is an unnamed source so do with that as you will. This is not confirmed.

E40 is taken so next number

This has been correct with mostly everything I’ve ever come across on Reddit. If it seems the whole Reddit agrees on it, the opposite comes true. It’s crazy because it seems as the hate grows on Reddit, the strength in real life goes up. Wild

They tried hard after the robotaxi debacle

Would you like to place a bet on solar powered cars? They're not going to happen and my other comment along with others' comments explains why. Even if solar panels on car roofs were more useful than they currently are, many people have covered parking or live in climates where it's frequently cloudy. There's already a company trying to make a solar car: [https://aptera.us/](https://aptera.us/) They've been at it since 2019 trying to make a hyper-efficient car with nothing to show for it except nice PowerPoints. Look at their design and what its claimed specs would be. Only two seats, ultra minimal design, no cargo capacity, 2200 curb weight and 40 miles of range from the solar panels per day *under ideal conditions*. That is the best case scenario for a hyper-efficient car that doesn't even exist and you're talking about adding panels to a 3800+ lb Tesla. You might get single digit miles of range with that on a perfectly clear day and at what cost? The reason solar works for satellites and space stations is because: 1. There is no other option in space. 2. There isn't a miles thick atmosphere blocking a quarter of the energy. There's no scenario where solar powered cars make sense.

😂 yes. That’s why Tesla is SpaceX. Because our Government knows, the future is solar power.

True. But the iPhone I’m talking about took up a refrigerated office in a 5,000 square foot refrigerator 40 years ago. Once efficiency increases and miniaturization happens, everything goes solar. 30 years ago, I saw a Smart TV on a show about the future. Back then, I said I’ll never have one in my house. It’ll never happen. Today, I have two. And the small one is 65” and 2” thin. WiFi internet enabled. There was no internet back then.

Yes, because kids staring out the window for 3 hours is SOOO much better than kids staring at a movie for 3 hours. yes you don't want kids to be screen zombies, but road trips are the best time to let them do screens. Better trip for them, better trip for adults.

I thought the glass roof is a staple across all of their cars because it makes the manufacturing way easier and cheaper. The car has a big hole on the top during assembly for humans and robots to be able to get into, and they just stick a slab of glass on top at the end.

I don’t believe that. The Cybertruck is a standard Solar car style.

$500.00 In our life times.

Cheaper speakers . No woofer lol

I guess you could also strip out more things like automatic locks and windows, take away screen and phone charger, take away charging ports and Bluetooth, delete ac/heater, no carpet, no rear seat or windows, no passenger seat, no power steering

This better be a real new car not a model y

Crank windows!

Interesting that this seems to be the only market in Europe where sales have gone up while they are looking pretty bad in most other european countries.

Model wye

At this rate the Model Y will cost 20% less than the model Y in a year.

Who‘s gonna buy it? Serious question.

No rescuing it. Only large institutions are keeping it up (Vanguard, MS). They can only do so for so long…

OR just sell the pieces but you gotta assemble

Or just sell the plans, but you have to make the parts

That’s the sedan version of the Y. Not the same thing.

Yes I don’t know why the article author assumes the battery will be the same, you’re not dropping 20% off cost without addressing the HV battery, it’s the single most expensive component. It’ll probably be smaller and almost certainly LFP. This is of course for the US market, I understand that Berlin and Shanghai are currently producing LFP versions, but US not due to the IRA credits.

The fan rendered image makes it look like a Chevy Bolt competitor. It could be that if it launches for $30k.

I think people have gravely underestimate the honing process that has gone into manufacturing and subsequently the cost driving factors with that. It's this iterative process that makes Tesla great and allows them to beat the bark of anyone else, price wise.

These days premium is stripped down! It is sad how much of the world of premium is really crap that is made to look good in the showroom and falls apart once you are out the door.

Only in the south. Up north we have real problem with reduced range due to cold. Usually there are two factors, battery performance down and the need for heat up. So smaller batteries are not the answer. Unless of course they have new tech up their sleeves to address the issues with cold. There are electrolyte solutions that are being worked on to address this, so maybe Tesla has a new battery in the works.

Ironically, someone wanting super performance would absolutely opt for no glass roof, no heated seats/wheel, no sub, no backseat controls/screen.

> Not sure how much more of the interior you can strip down. - electric heating of steering wheel - electric heating of seats - electric adjustment of steering wheel position - electric adjustment of seat position - electric opening of charge port - electric opening of trunk - electric opening of doors - alloy wheels - expensive high speed / high weight load tires (i.e. reduce the car's top speed so you can use van tires which are also high weight load) - motor size - battery size Okay, you said interior. That is only the first 4 bullets on my list.

I think they will keep the glass roof. There have been speculations that the total production cost of the car is lower with the glass roof because it enables some optimizations in the production.

I just rode in a brand new MY Uber. Christ it felt like cheap garbage. So many rattles. Every minor curve was like cornering on a mountain pass. How can you make something cheap even cheaper?

It has a lot to do with trade. Countries that are embracing Chinese imports are looking way worse than countries that have blocked them with tariffs. Dolphins are cheaper than Teslas. Simple as

So... it's basically going to cannibalize Model Y sales with a model that costs less and makes less money? Well, less money before the tariff hike, so, it's still going to end up being $35k by the time it goes on sale.

It’s already this

at this point making one with a metal roof might be more expensive to make than glass, in terms of the complexity/re-tooling costs alone.

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I thought about it, and i think there is a strong possibility there are a ton of bots on Reddit that control sentiment. That’s why they don’t come true in real life

The glass roofs are there so the robot arms can reach and build the interior and then they just slap the glass on at the end.

Yeah, but Tesla’s glass roof is really more about cost and manufacturing speed than anything else. A metal roof needs a ton of layers—paint, primer, adhesives, headliner, fasteners, etc.—while the glass roof is literally just glass + urethane glue. Way fewer steps, less labor, and cheaper to produce. Weight-wise, it depends on the car and the type of glass they use. Laminated glass can be heavier, but Tesla probably balanced it out in other areas. Plus, the extra headroom, structural strength, and free cabin heating in winter make it a pretty solid trade-off.

It wouldn't be just a piece of aluminum and headliner. To reach the same strength as the glass, it would require **multiple** crossmembers and **reinforcements**. Not to mention the extra **assembly** difficulty and time needed for additional clips and parts to secure the headliner. And to keep headroom reasonable, the roof would have to be a couple of inches taller- further reducing efficiency.

Absolutely! Muskolini is betting his entire empire that he'll convert f-150 drivers to his mini model y. Good luck with that.

How do you figure? I own a Model 3. I have already replaced the roof panel once and it is cracked again. Each time it is $1200 to replace it. Ironically replacing glass has been the expensive repair/maintenance on this car. Other than this I only had to change tires and 12V battery once for $80. Your argument for not being able to maintain metal clear coat is weird. Most of the car is metal. So do the same thing as what you do to maintain the rest of the car.

This is more vaporware. Don't expect to see it anytime soon. They're just trying to manipulate the stock from crashing farther.

If you’d have told me about this a few months ago I’d have been all excited. Now, on the other hand, I’m booking in Polestar test drives.

> If used too much they induce myopia. That’s only if they look at them too close without breaks for extended periods of time. There’s nothing special about screens that ruins our eyes. They can screw with our circadian rhythm, but that’s another topic. Fun fact(well maybe not so fun): All “near-work” activities, like reading a book, can contribute to myopia. Eyesight is the least of our worries when it comes to the effects of screen time.

Seriously. Tesla’s been saying that a cheaper model based on current platforms is coming for *years* news. It’s nothing new, plus the fact that the timeline(before Q3 ‘25) hasn’t been pushed back since last April bodes well for its R&D and production.

Heated steering wheel? My MYP does not have a heated steering wheel.

UK’s EV registration benefit ends in April. That’s why.

The majority of Americans are too poor to afford a Tesla…. And even if they could most will choose a different EV instead of dealing with the baggage that comes with owning a Tesla.

Ah that explains a lot, thanks for your answer.

Yeah makes sense that limiting the available models makes Teslas more competitive. Thanks for your answer.

Every single tech company follows that strategy. Actually, pretty much every company in every industry does.

Also gives additional head room to make up with the floor being so thick

I agree. But like I said, 30-40 years ago, my iPhone took up a 5,000 square foot refrigerated office. With no touch screen, no WiFi and no cellular. Right now, I’m typing this message on the touch screen, with cellular and WiFi. It will not take 30-40 years to miniaturize solar panels. 30 years ago we’d all laugh at any claim that a battery operated device could last as long as an iPhone. No matter how big the battery.

Yes that’s what everyone is saying. And I’m not disputing that. I was critiquing the push for the x with the falcon wing doors and the wedge mobile both of which were design nightmares and caused more trouble than this supposed trajectory from top market innovation paying for mass market mobile.

20% less than model Y is model 3 pricing. They should've made it 20% less than 3 pricing.

Tesla should also make an suv that’s slightly larger and nicer than the model Y, at around $60k-$70k. Then they should redesign the Model X to be even more premium and start it at the $90k range. Currently there’s a huge monthly payment gap between the Y and the X and there’s a market for a vehicle that can bridge that gap. And it should also be more profitable than a $25k vehicle

I like the way you think. LOL.

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For what it’s worth I just bought a used 2022 for precisely 25k and it feels like a bargain for how good the car is. If you’re not looking to buy new, there’s a lot of good 25k and below Tesla’s out there right now.

It’s not called E41. Actually called NV9. Source - work at Fremont

First of yall, I really doubt a 20% decrease in price is going to sway many car seekers to get a Tesla if price was their big concern. Secondly, this is clearly a left field announcement to boost stock pricing like the Robotaxi. I’ll believe it when I see it.

This was the model 'q' that everyone thought was the model 2.

None of that matters to a family that has two cars. Which a lot of married couples do. I drove a Nissan Leaf for 7 years and the range of the first model was abysmal by the time I turned it in. Less than 80 miles round trip. And it still was more than enough for a daily driver in my city. Whenever we needed to do road trips or go long distance we just took the wife’s (gas powered) car.

Oof really! My 2023 RWD model 3 does! I know it was always a feature in the past tho I don’t know when they started to be standard

Americans may not believe it, but internationally speaking the Y is a huge car. Grok tells me it’s wider and taller than my previous Lexus LS400 !

With Steel tariff plus the 25% tariff on auto parts, will be lucky to start at $50K in US

I read this as no steering wheel. I was like only in Mexico. Hahaha

I got it in July 2020 so it was one of the earlier ones built. It's also missing the exterior speaker.

Stripping out a 3 or Y will not sell in Europe. Cars are smaller by necessity, but that doesn't mean that people want or need a cheap rattle box. And that certainly won't compete with the other brands here.

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They should name it Model AF instead.

It's not creating a new process, it's omitting one. On cars where glass roof is an option it's usually pretty costly as far as options go. So i would assume that's where they will get bulk of the savings.

Going to explode after few months I guess lol

How about just omitting the rear seats altogether and call it a Ybertruck?

Great car that hardly anyone will buy.

Repeat of the 2022 downfall. Model 3 all time high. Now all time low. lol

Yeah but look at the RoboTaxi, solid roof.

No thanks

So exactly the same price after tariffs trigger a price hike?

Yep !

Agreed, I am driving a 2008 Sentra waiting on a truly economical EV to drop. Insurance cost completely negates all of the EV savings because Tesla's are considered premium.

I think it was in the latest Jay Leno where Lars or Franz said that the glass roof made the car lighter.

Teslas Least reliable EVs https://caredge.com/guides/the-most-reliable-evs-according-to-consumer-reports-2025

How could the Model Y possibly feel more cheap than now? Are they going to remove all windows and start using tape instead of the Elmer's glue they use now?

lol we need a bigger version not a smaller one imo

And at least in The Netherlands all the benefits for electric cars have been steadily stripped down for the past 4 years and will be virtually non-existent as of 2026. Then again, gas prices are ridiculously high here, so there's still a market for electric cars.

I’m sorry you had to replace your roof panel. Glass is much easier to maintain since bird droppings, hard rainwater, and car washes can etch the clear coat. Standing rainwater also causes damage, and once the clear coat is compromised, it needs professional buffing - which will thin it further. Clear coat on Tesla is already thin compared to Mercedes.

> The original Model 3, the $35k version that didn’t make it to production [It did though?](https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now ) For over a year.

tesla’s entire assembly process is built around a glass roof.

Too little too late is the understatement of the millennia for this

WHO GONNA BUY A TEZLI?

F tesla. And I have one.

Ya…totally…

RIP to any equity on older Model Y vehicles. Just sold ours while we had some positive equity. Only lost 68% of its value in 3 years. Oof. Lucky we put down a lot at signing due to selling our old car at the height of the used car bonanza.

would love no glass roof.

How do you even make a shitty, kitted out car more shittier?

Codenamed “OD” because its meant for those that overdraft their bank account

In Germany, where cars have been built for 150 years, Tesla was still the best-selling EV in 2023. In 2024, Tesla was only in 7th place. According to surveys, Tesla will not reach 100th place in 2025.

Just buy a golf cart at that point. ;)

Features that will be omitted: * Steering wheel * Pedals * Mirrors It will be called the Cybercab. Can't wait! Although the stock price will drop once people realize the Cybercab is the new affordable Model the media has been hyping up for months. Source: Investor calls

> A metal roof needs a ton of layers—paint, primer, adhesives, headliner, fasteners, etc.—while the glass roof is literally just glass + urethane glue. Way fewer steps, less labor, and cheaper to produce. There is still a metal roof, just not in that particular section where the glass is, and the entire roof would probably be made in one go so there wouldn't be additional painting steps and so on.

'white only' Perfectly on brand.

is this that 30.000$ EV he's been talking about since 2009?

You realize Vanguard and such only own through people’s funds like index funds. They’re not passing any judgement.

Nothing to be happy about that, because Tesla vehicles are known to drop prices to entice new buyers instead of innovating like other brands do. What has Tesla done for the last 12 years in designing new models? Nothing, and just promises after promises and never delivering on any of them. By dropping the price by 20%, the older vehicles will not only face typical depreciation but will not have to deal with even lower value by 20% on a similar new vehicle. Previous owners are screwed.

That's definitely not what I was expecting. I was expecting it to be around $25K.

I only paid 38ish brand new for a 2025 Y, so pretty decent prices all around rn.

wasn't the model y like the second best selling suv in the US last year? The best selling vehicle over all is the f150, and those are expensive af. I think most families can afford a model 3/Y pretty easily.

yeah i got a model Y but wondered beyond the butterfly doors, and bragging rights why anyone in their right mind would choose the model X over it.

I just paid 37k for a show room discounted brand new 2025 model Y (not the new launch model) so, yeah I can imagine this would be a good deal.

been that way for a while. Google owns all reddits data now.

“This year” so 2029?

Look around you at the people serving you food or working at Walmart . Vast majority of Those people can barely afford life expenses, not many people have the cash on hand to make payments on a new or used car regardless, let alone a Tesla . You have to be living in a bubble if you think the average American can afford more expenses

Pretty irrelevant. 400k model Y sold last year, meaning at least 400,000 families found it entirely affordable (800+ thousand people). Go look at the cheapest budget car stats. They sell worse usually. Are some of those people buying cars they can't afford? Yes. But to say the average American with a 2 adult household combined income of 90-110k cant afford a 40k car is not true at all.

You keep assuming its families buying these cars. I’ve only ever seen solo ppl in teslas. I said the average person can’t afford a Tesla, why are you focused on combined income? That’s sort of validating my point

again anecdotal. Single people don't on average buy 5-7 seat suvs. Though certainly a portion do. It isn't validating your point because tesla is similarly priced compared to other car brands. I paid 38k after incentives for a brand new 2025 model Y. Other cars I looked at were: A new 2025 bronco sport was 36k A new Mazda cx-50 was 38k (for the package i wanted) A new F150 xlt was over 55-60k New Mach E Mustang was 42k We can agree car prices in general (as well as housing and other things) are way to high for the average person on the median income. But tesla is right in line with ford, toyota, mazda, chevy, etc. If you factor in incentives.

Buy a different car.

A car lost 68% of its value in 3 years? WTF!

Yep, less than 12K per year as well. Long range. AWD. FSD. Put $15K down from trade in and $15K in cash. Value held strong for the first year or so and then it nosedived after Tesla kept cutting prices, offering low APR, etc. Then w/ Elon’s antics lately, it’s just been getting worse. In fact, 5 days before we sold it, the offer was $500 more than what we ended up selling it for. So it lost $500 in value over 5 days, kinda insane. I feel for anyone who has one these days, equity is gone.

Daaamn thats insanity, but it seems like a good oportunity for second hand buyers in countries that dont care that much about politics.

Yeah, pretty solid opportunity if you’re okay w/ some of tech being a bit behind, but not a huge dealbreaker honestly. Model Y is a great vehicle tho, we really enjoyed it. Figured we would cash in while we had some positive equity and the EV9 lease deal we got was attractive.

Another area were they can save some money is by replacing all of the soft touch surfaces were hard plastic.

So they’re gonna cannibalize the model three? At this point isn’t it just a model three but a hatchback model three?

Model y is barely a suv as it is. It’s a cross over. The f is a smaller model y??? Sounds like a hatchback Sedan to me

just buy a barely used Model y at 70% off. You know, everyone is trying to get rid of theirs.

Take out the steering wheel. 😀

Nice

I watched that video and remember them saying the glass is marginally heavier, but worth it for the trade-offs: headroom and the view. Personally I like a solid, non-glass roof.

If you read that link it's a $37k version they made.

Yes!