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Sure and people will still believe his BS and when the june passes they will say oh self driving is hard, just wait it will be out soon. Where is Tesla semi?
Better yet, where is the roadster?
Roadster is low volume. Semi was supposed to be the next big thing then it faded into the shadows for cybertruck. Now the cybertruck seems to be fading, I wonder what Elon will use as his next stock pump. Seems to be FSD in June which we all know isn't happening.
Is Tesla semi doing any sort of FSD?
By then the stock will have gone up another 75% on this news, and then when they announce what you said in June it’ll drop by 10% or so Absolutely mind boggling but that’s where we are I guess
Bahahahaha. Okay!
And next year they will drive to mars
Tesla didn't deliver on past goals such as: 20 million cars sold per year, the roadster, the Tesla semi, fsd next year. The cybertruck is not as big of a deal as it was promised to be, and now they're moving to new goals like robotics and Ai. How are the investors so culty
But they did deliver on many promises. The model Y is the best selling car in the world
Toyota Corolla is the best selling car in the word
In 2024, you are right that the Toyota Corolla was the best selling, followed by the Model Y. In 2023, the Model Y was the best selling car in the world.
Because we ignore the noise and look at the actual results. You’re deluding yourself if you can’t accept that they have the best FSD tech in the world that is almost at the stage for unsupervised.
TSLA 
Bruh, my car literally drives me to work every day without me touching the steering wheel. The Tesla haters are a special breed
This is dumb. Just enable it for people with FSD already.
I don't know, I got FSD on my 2020 Model 3. The features it was supposed to have have been wiped since and the milestones might have moved enough that my car will be end of life before it gets true FSD.
They've never disclosed.
Cybertruck was the 5th best selling ev and the number 1 ev truck. Not sure it is fading.
Yes.
I have the same experience with my 2019 Tesla model 3, FSD is amazing. Keep hating, try it then comment!
Ffs, exactly. After my long day at work, my car literally takes me to my house.
I’ve been waiting years for the roadster
FSD has been months away for years. If they could do it, they would.
Well they just completed the outside of the semi factory, so hopefully soon
The Tesla Semi is out. They are on the road. They are being hand built in the Nevada Gigafactory.
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On the freeways, yeah.
It’s better. And that’s a statistical fact.
They gave all Tesla owners FSD For a month in November. It is pretty amazing. Still some minor bugs to work out, but I did a 2 hours drive, and didn't have to take over once. Was in a parking stall, turned it on and then had to select the parking spot on the screen when I arrived. I still had to pay attention to the road, but the car looks at your eyes now, no need to have your hands on the wheel.
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If it wasn’t fading I wonder why Tesla is offering me free charging for the life of the vehicle to take delivery of a foundation series?(I never ordered one). Seems like they’re a bit desperate to offload some inventory.
It's better than a human driver?
Please share said statistics
You gonna buy one?
Both are relatively niche categories compared to all car sales, which Tesla wanted to break. Sales are plateauing and problems are piling for Cybertruck now
You missed my point. People with FSD already paid for it.
None of their accomplishments count unless all of their promises have been fulfilled.
According to EST (Elon Standard Time), that means we'll have unsupervised FSD in 2029. Maybe.
It’s January, and we are greeted with a fresh new round of “End of year” claims with regard to FSD lol. Somethings never change I guess.
They also announced on the call that the semi factory in Nevada just finished the walls. You can see a picture of it in the quarterly release deck. Targeting volume production end of this year.
Given how they failed to meet the numbers in the Cybertruck announcement, absolutely not
https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
It’s not about paying for it. I paid for it too. It’s about enabling FULL self driving as described. They can’t yet, and I’d be surprised if it happens this year in this one location. If they can enable it there, why not other cities? Why not everywhere? There’s a catch. Maybe doom and gloom to this sub, but nobody can deny the moving goalpost.
Yep. Musk knows how to play the game. Shoot first, apologize after. No one will remember and no analysts will call them out on it when they don't meet the milestones.
I guess that proves it. FSD will work because shorter_McGavin drives to work everyday without intervention.
There’s a saying, Shoot for the moon, even if you fail you’ll land among the stars. I really believe in that motto.
They are doing that for the Model S too. It was to meet end of year deadlines. They clearly didn't meet their quotas.
5th best selling for a brand new model with 5 years of pent up demand and barely beating its competition that's been on sale for a couple years. Offering several incentives to push sales...it's fading. Like I had predicted, it would be an under 50k sales per year product...even that seems to be optimistic.
It's better than the average human driver 100%. It's not better than a great human driver though.
So... are they on a downtrend?
Honestly, given the newer cameras, and a small geo fenced in area, AND remote monitoring/assistance. I believe its very achievable with the newest cars out there. They would need to restrict it to good weather and well mapped areas.
Teslas fiscal year ended December 31st, I received this email two days ago with a deadline of January 31st
And how much have been built? How many did Elon say would have been made already?
is was mistaken for an asteroid recently
And Tesla bros slammed waymo for doing this lol.
Number 1 EV truck... out of how many EV trucks?
Nope, not even on the freeway. Makes all kinds of stupid lane changing decisions. Not even close to prime time... I'm sure there are people that have the car take one exact path from work to home and it takes them every day. But change it up just a little bit and then what a mess...
They sold more than Ford and rivian combined
And there is the rub. It's better than the average driver. It's not better than a great driver. It will make mistakes a human won't make, but it also won't make mistakes that humans make. The worst part of human drivers is the unpredictability. Excessive speeding, no-look lane changes, no signalling...FSD will never do those things. But the FSD might not be able to figure out a lane created by cones for construction. It's getting better at that, but its not perfect yet. Being able to communicate with other drives is also hard for FSD.
Volume production was suppose to be last year, 50k units...or that's what Elon said.
They are being hand built in Nevada for now.
Tesla went from spot 17 to 9 to spot 1 to spot 2 Toyota went from spot 12 to spot 12 to spot 2 to spot 1 Farily equal I would say. Point being what matters is being one of the top cars, not whose exactly spot 1.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard in a long time.
Where is that data? I only see being 10th best on best selling EVs for 2024. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g63396028/bestselling-evs-2024/
Because different states have different regulations on driverless cars. Duh.
Why not Dallas?
He said June.
It's a joke
Well yeah. I trust fsd over most idiots behind the wheel.
Elon even says by 2026 he wants FSD to be as good as human drivers, clearly saying it's not yet
At what point does this just become stock manipulation? This has been promised to be right around the corner for, what, a decade now? That and every other promise made that never comes to fruition
There is a driver at the wheel.
FSD already does work*
Pray for my life everyone.
Is that why it cuts off every semi it passes on the highway? No intervention required, just need to be okay with driving like an asshole.
Yeah, Tesla sometimes does hit their production targets. Not exactly earth-shattering news. Better late than never.
Free supercharging isn't a desperate move. It's a small inventive. Supercharging is the biggest waste of time day to day.
Define FULL self driving? What’s lacking currently?
Musk certainly knows how to play, I’m just surprised that the market is dumb enough to keep giving him his 75% boost
we're in 2025 and people still say it is the best selling car in the world because it once was in 2023. so if a car was the best selling in 2015, it'll keep the title forever? i thought the title belongs to the latest year. the truth is that you guys genuinely think it was the top car of 2024, but when someone points out that you're wrong and you check google and find yourself wrong, you guys don't admit it, you just bring up 2023. we're in 2025...move on from 2023
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2029 maybe, 2039 definitely (maybe)
we're talking about market..numbers..reason, not mottos, while it's trued that tesla asserted itself as a very accomplished company, how does it justify the 1.5 trillion valuation? by keep inventing new goals that are rarely met ?
it depends on the price, the cybertruck sold 38k units this year alone(not even for the entire year also), with majority of them over 100k, keep that in mind. Price will come down as supply > demand. There's only so few ppl per year that can afford a 100k truck, now 80k, eventually 62k
He finally realized the game that every other car OEM CEO has been playing the last 10 years
The definition is what was promised by the company years ago. The ability to let it drive me from my house to work (or practically anywhere) without me having to look at the road or wiggle the steering wheel. I should be able to sit in the back seat and sleep or read a book, as was promised. Elon said there would be a million robotaxis by 2020. He promised semis and roadsters years ago and look where we’re at. I like my car, but this is just not going to happen any time soon. I hope I’m proven wrong.
Ah, so about 6 months, I feel like I've heard that before...
It’s Reddit. These days without an /s it’s hard to tell sometimes.
Shell game. Please buy that this is factual and ignore our actual financials
We're going to Mars too...
You’re right, cybertruck was not the 5th best selling EV last year and Tesla is cooked.
It does not matter how many vehicles you sell if you’ve over produced inventory. This is a lukewarm take.
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It’s not insignificant in California.
Model Y was bestselling car in 2023, and according to the shareholder update it's on track to be best selling car in 2024 as well.
I also have FSD. I don’t have HW4, but I just don’t see this thing as a robotaxi within the year. There are just too many variables and liabilities.
Bull shit
Which this year?
Okay, so it is the second-best-selling car in the world, after being the best-selling car in the world the previous year. While I agree that accuracy is important, the difference between 1st and 2nd place is like [30,000 cars out of a million](https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20cumulative%20data%20up,new%20sales%20(%2D4.2%25)). The Corolla and Y individually sold about twice as many cars as the bottom of the Top Ten. If you told people in 2017-2018 that Tesla would be selling \~1M cars a year for one model, people would have laughed.
But both Waymo and Baidu already have robotaxi in service?
Sounds like a ploy to try and get ahead of Waymo (who is launching in Austin soon). Tesla can’t have competition in their backyard without trying to soften the blow.
They are all in on it. Cathy Woods, Musk, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs etc. If they all keep it going; it can go for a long time. To be fair, the company is solid and profitable so it's not a complete junk like other meme stocks who don't even have revenues.
Sure!🤙Lmao
I don't know, I think SOMEBODY should be in the car. Just a bunch of empty cars driving around sounds pretty wasteful...
Inventory is completely within the control of Tesla, all they do is adjust factory output in response to demand. You know that. I said Tesla’s cooked, you don’t think Tesla’s cooked?
The roadster is already on its way
We knew it would do well initially with all the preorders but honestly I think it had over 4 million pre orders and they've shipped generously about 40k so that's a 1% conversion rate so far. Seems pretty bad. It's gonna be a long term flop.
There are 5 I can think of, cybertruck, F150 Lightning, Hummer EV Pickup, Sierra EV, and the Silverado EV. Going by your writing style, I'm guessing you believe there are fewer than this
Yeah, but their lack of new products in the pipeline is worrisome. We should at least see the next gen S/X but nada
They’re late, omg, pack it up everyone, Tesla is going bankrupt tomorrow, dude on Reddit said so.
Did it to themselves with that pricing. Cancelled my order when I got the $99k welcome email
Hard to tell when that is unironically a lot of people’s takes, because their primary hobby is “Tesla bad”
Oh look there goes a WAYMO…
Just checked outside and I cannot order either of those services to come pick me up. As soon as they scale and support eastern Pennsylvania, I’m set.
Yeah, but I feel their vision-only approach will really show flaws in an urban environment compared to Waymo which has additional sensors like LiDAR and ultrasonic
Level 5. Right now FSD isn't even level 3
Makes me wonder if this also helps add a little more boost of sales to the MY Launch Edition. I’d assume FSD sales will increase a touch based on this announcement.
But surely that alone is not enough. Like its pretty sad they've given up on the S/X, with no replacements in sight
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So Elon is just deciding to skip out on making money now? Why hasn't he submitted it to get approval? If I use FSD today do I still have liability if it's in an accident? I thought so.
Just upgraded to a hw4 X and FSD is amazing. I have it on my hw3 X as well but it’s night and day. It literally drives me everywhere from 3 minute drives to 2 hour drives. Had it drive me to Disney last weekend and had zero takeovers. It’s getting really close.
People say this a lot but it should obviously be to shoot for the moon,aim for the stars... or shoot for the stars land on the moon. Cause obviously stars are MUCH further walkway than the moon is. I mean I guess if you shoot for the moon and miss you could end up just endlessly in space and thus "land among the stars", but nah It's be like saying shoot for a million dollars, and even if you fail you'll end up with a billions dollars. Makes no sense....
Okay. When. Is the cybertruck hitting 250k per year?
1. It was for the entire year. 2. Non foundation was available in 4th quarter and that didn't move the needle. People said wait until the non foundation, sales will increase a lot. It didn't and now the next goal post is wait until it reaches 62k.
Elon makes a pretty big deal about being number 1 as he reiterated today.
When did i say they are going bankrupt? Please show me the quote.
The technology isn't close. They require extensive high-resolution mapping, which is why they're geofenced to specific cities.
You're being willfully ignorant. Tesla has 0 unsupervised cars on the road. Meanwhile Waymo has been operating driverless in some markets for 5 (!!) years. Clearly, there's one with the better stack. If Tesla thought they have the better stack, they'd be operating in Phoenix, San Fran, or Austin already like their competitors are. Tesla is at best playing catch-up. Feel free to remind me to eat my shirt, but I strongly predict that when Tesla enters the Austin market with robotaxis, it'll be remotely monitored just like Waymo is—and when FSD gets stuck, someone will be drawing it out of the issue.
The Teslas won’t need us any more and *they have things to be about.*
Cut him some slack, poor guy has 9 full time jobs and now he’s running US too.
LOL waymo is in five cities already and planning to add ten more this year. Elon cons memeboys into buying his stock by planning to enter one mid size city.
No clue. What's your point?
Enabling it for cars without passengers is the “here’s a picture of my girlfriend that lives in another town” of car features
New products mentioned in the meeting: - Cybercab production starts in 2026 - Semi line completion by end of 2025, ramp early 2026 - Ride hailing service to launch in Austin in June - New Model Y ramping production now Keep in mind X Aand S got a refresh not too long ago, they only ramped production of refresh X and S at end of 2022.
Wrong Roadster.
A limited area with really well-known intersections/signs/etc. is obviously the proper way to do a roll out of this technology.
How did they rank in the US?
100% I have nothing but positive things to say about the current update. It's not perfect yet but I use it every day!!!
what goal post? you can't expect a 80k car to outsell their model 3/y do you? They outsold the much cheaper f-150 lightning EV. Production of the truck is still ramping, we will see how they do this year. I'm very confident they will easily exceed 50k sales this year.
On roads delivering goods. Ask Pepsi.
You are so wrong. Save this comment and come back in a year and you can tell me you wish you invested more in Tesla now while it's cheap ;)
\#2 after the RAV4, #4 if you're including trucks in your definition of "car".
Some Redditors absolutely believe that.
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You still missed my point.
Jeez, help me out here haha. Please tell me what the point was.
Remind me who's liable if FSD causes an accident.
Austin is also one of the worst cities to do this in. Driving my Tesla there confuses the directions it gives on some of the freeway interchanges. It will tell me to stay in the 2nd lane out of 4, but turns out that meant I should have been in the 2nd lane AFTER it splits. Had to do a U turn several times there because my Tesla's directions are... lacking.
This is groundbreaking. Hope he meets this schedule.
So many fools have doubted Tesla all the way to the poor house.
And Elon is saying this experiment will be limited to Austin. And it's not even out yet. And we all know how great Tesla is about meeting Elon's deadline claims. (that's sarcasm)
10 years ago
Anecdata
Bro’s writing Neuralink papers, topping gaming leaderboards and purging the civil service at the same time. He’s Clark Ket
>Elon Musk says Tesla will be launching unsupervised FSD as a paid service in Austin My whole point is people already paid for supervised FSD and shouldn't be charged twice.
This will age well
30k in it's first quarter after release and 10k on its 4th quarter after release. It's already dead as far as vehicle sales go. Ford sold more F series trucks in 1 month.
I can't argue on missing timelines. I feel like HW4 with v13 is the first time its meeting expectations promised years ago. Yes, this is limited to Austin. I'm curious if they're using HD mapping to supplement it or there's another reason for being one city.
For Austin, they are "cheating". They will pre-map the area, like Waymo does. Download all the maps and data into the car so the car will only need to worry about variables.
When did I say I expect an 80k car to outsell the model 3 or y? The goal post where Tesla fans said the CT will be back ordered for years. Then it shifted to how everyone is waiting on the non foundation series, now its shifted to wait until they release the 62k model. It outsold the lightning (not by much) which has been on sale for 2 years vs cybertruck pent up demand for 4 years. Production is still ramping? Ramping for non existent demand? I literally can go on Tesla website now and it says it's available today if I order. I am very confident they won't exceed 50k this year. Remind me! 11 months.
The 50k units of semis Elon said would be made by end of 2024 right?
Stock and actual FSD results are two different things. Tesla's stock is very divorced from reality—and not investing in the company whose CEO has the ear of the US president would be a stupid decision. Doesn't stop the fact that Tesla's Austin unsupervised launch will have remote operators ready to take over when things go south. I guarantee it. And at that point they're no different than Waymo.
I can't take a Waymo or a Baidu from my house to my work, and theres no timeline from either of them for when that will be rolled out. Tesla FSD handles that drive today, every day, without intervention.
None of those are new, they were previously announced. Like the Semi was announced 7 years ago. The Model Y is just a refresh. Tesla did say a new model in 1H 2025 but that looks very doubtful
You can if you live in any of the cities they operate. My grandson takes Waymo all around the city, several times a week.
Tesla does not have a history of announcing new products at quarterly shareholder meetings, so i don't know why you'd expect that now. There are new things coming in this and next year, that's what matters, and it would matter a lot more than a new product announcement that would be 4+ years away.
That's great, I'm not moving to Phoenix any time soon, neither are most people i know.
None of which you can buy and it's limited to very specific locations... Even in its current supervised state v13 works really well, there is simply no other car manufacturer with an FSD technology that can even remotely compare Tesla's. Yes they have missed all the promises, they have also delivered what no one else has been able to deliver (or even get close to deliver) so far. What other car out there can you buy today for around 30k USD that can drive itself supervised? Simply None...
Same, that place sucks!
The entire EV truck market is a flop if you compare it to ICE ones.
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Guessing way easier time to get approval from the local government since the factory is already there.
His team has been giving him better estimates lately, this might actually be happening.
> There are 5 I can think of, cybertruck, F150 Lightning, Hummer EV Pickup, Sierra EV, and the Silverado EV. Rivian?
I missed quiet an obvious one
The next pump is the Optimus robots. He’s basically saying cars are chump change, robots will bring in $10T revenue. But he can’t give specifics because they are “designing the train, the tracks, the train station, and the train factory.” But he says they’re probably going to be using them in Tesla factories by Q1-Q2 next year and then delivering them to other businesses 6 months after that.
That's where I live. Saving $20(not the cost to supercharge, but supercharging costs are not what you're saving when you could charge at home.) and wasting a 30 min to an hour charging isn't worth it. Just pay the $20 charging at home and lose zero of your time. My guess is that if you can afford a foundation cybertruck, your time is more valuable than the amount of money saved through this
It does do this. But it’s literally an easy software update required to fix it - which I’m sure they will do at some point.
"Stock taking a hit. Better mention FSD again"
Wow so many nay-sayers in the comments! If you see FSD progress, this makes sense, and also not the first time city pilots were mentioned. Waymo is already doing certain cities, and current FSD is on-par with Waymo for city driving, and more capable otherwise. Now it's just testing and licensing in various cities. Austin makes sense as first test run, probably SF/Palo Alto after that.
Tesla semi is in pilot production and will start mass production next year
If they've only shipped 40k, half have to be in my small town. See multiple at the charging stations.
That will be $8000 on top of the FSD Supervised /s
Oooh, I interpreted it to mean that they’re trying to launch robotaxi as a paid service. I would also think it’s ridiculous if they try to charge people with FSD a fee on top of it!
I have a Tesla. It's a good car for the price. Used FSD on highway a few times no problem. It still can't find my driveway I park in every day.
Just fyi he did say Tesla bots was going to be used in his factories by the end of 2024 lol
Easy software update to do what?
Which we were told by musk it was going to be mass produced in 2024 and 50k units by the end of 2024.
FSD almost ran over two sandhill cranes the other day driving on FSD-had to intervene and brake hard myself. I get why, they had grey feathers and this was on a gray asphalt road so you have to really notice that they were walking into the road, and pay attention to their small red tufts on their head to notice them. But...was really not great that the car didn't notice these two rather large birds walking into the road. I \*REALLY\* don't think it's quite ready for unsupervised mode unless they added lidar or something for when the vision system doesn't recognize something.
Tesla sold 622k cars last year, and like 60k ish of the cybertuck. That's 10% of their sales, and if it keeps going like this it'll be less than 5% next year, on a model that just came out, from a brand with 4 models, and that is their entry into the largest segment of auto sales. The cybertruck is a flop if you just compare it to Tesla's.
Right but it outsold the f-150 and Rivian combined in 2024 in that small bucket. I don’t think truck ICE buyers are going to convert to electric.
Remind me! 11 months
When did he say that? Can’t be recent Tesla has been cell constrained for a while now
At over $100k, such a conversion rate isn’t unexpected. And yet it still sold more than all other EV trucks combined.
You have to try it and then you’ll believe. The last two versions have been mind blowing.
Depends on what you consider recent. https://www.benzinga.com/markets/22/10/29334847/tesla-plans-to-build-50-000-class-8-semi-trucks-in-nevada?utm_campaign=partner_feed&utm_source=yahooFinance&utm_medium=partner_feed&utm_content=site
A year late. That’s too bad.
Did you listen to the call? They spoke at length about the Semi and the status of the new factory that will be building them in volume. Ya know… the hard part? And what’s the rush? Did you order one?
And at a >$100k price point
booo, downvote, elon bad, ahhhh
Rather than go with subjective opinions and feelings, I rather go with data and facts . https://x.com/TroyTeslike/status/1881719273229324716 In summary, dad is at 239 miles per critical disengagement. They need to be at 17,000 miles per critical disengagement. FSD isn't close....at least in the way Tesla wants it to be (FSD anywhere, anytime). It will have to be like waymo, geo fenced and only some cities. At that point they are just another waymo.
Ford is the second best selling EV manufacturer in the US, with only 2 models, see how that doesn't matter at all but sounds impressive? Ford has doubled its sales of the lightning from q3 2023 to q4 2023, Tesla quartered it's sales of the cybertruck from q1 to q4 of 2024.
When is Model Y becoming the top-selling car of any kind on Earth? Oh wait, it already happened. You just keep moving the goalposts.
Same for me. Mind-bogglingly amazing, but still not good enough. Still makes the occasional mistake. Tried to take me through a red left turn arrow. Went straight in a turn lane. Etc.
Its insignificant to Tesla. It has a huge emotional impact with almost no fiscal impact to either party ... A super charging trip is like $20-30 most times, if you do it once a month you arent even costing them $300 retail
They did the same in 2022 and said it will be mass produced by 2024. Did you listen to that call?
1. When did I mention the model Y? Please quote me. 2. Moving goal posts? Tell me what was the first goal post and then what did I move it to...I'll be waiting however, I doubt you'll reply.
My wife has free charging on her i4. We’ve been exclusively charging on EA for free and I estimate it saves $300 month. That’s a pretty big savings for us.
How much do your drive? That is a wild amount of electricity per month My total for the entirety of last year was $736, home and supercharger trips included
Bullshit
Are you waiting for yours to get delivered? The units being produced are being used internally and being delivered to select customers who pre-paid. Maybe figure out how to get that residue off your muscle car’s dash (goo be gone is good stuff but that shit looks melted in) and less time worrying about something that doesn’t really affect or concern you. Oh and my Model Y would blow the doors off both of your cars. Come to western Mass and I’ll race you to the top of Mt Greylock in any driving conditions you want
Only issue with your statement is this isn't true lmao.
Lmao how sad is it you went to my post history to go find something ...anything to try and deflect wow. If you had read properly you would have seen that I am not the owner and it isn't a muscle car but asking you to read might be too much. So you dug up cars I own too? When did I say I could beat a model y in a race? Better yet, when did I even bring up racing? Oh wait you're deflecting again lmao. Model Ys are well packaged, fast and efficient vehicles. I'll choose to drive my vehicle 10 out of 10 times though. If you said a model S then you may have got me there.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just overall saying that the EV truck market is a flop.
Don’t you hear the previous poster? It’s always logic with you logic types. It’s FADING!
The trickster company makes the best selling vehicle that drives itself just to bamboozle us! That’s next-level bamboozling!
I just have gotten in the habit of checking the profile of people who post. There are some amazing bots out there and I’m always reminded of the pee drinking incident. I asked an honest question. Why the rush? It will arrive to customers as it arrives. Do folks even understand how difficult and time consuming manufacturing new products at scale? Or do you just enjoy criticizing Tesla like a good portion of Reddit? I mean all the cool kids are doing it!
The question you should be asking is why does Elon lie about his timelines and why do people always make excuses for his timelines? Does Elon not even understand how difficult and time consuming manufacturing nee products at scale are? These are the questions you should be asking...the one in charge but you're asking me. See why I don't think your argument makes sense?
When they completed the Shanghai factory in record time; way ahead of schedule did the media laud its accomplishment? No they didn’t. They said it was the result of poor working conditions (never backed up with real facts just the usual.. “some people are saying”. If you know that it is the CEOs job to be forward looking, to push the teams to lofty goals, and that starts by setting aspirational timelines. The media will take that info and say “ another missed timeline” when in fact if you read the 20 words before there are disclaimers and shit fucking happens. I would take more of these complaints seriously if it was applied to so many other companies who make promises and NEVER deliver. I’ll take impossible done late over never thanks. So are you waiting on a Tesla Semi or again is this just some complaint you wanna bitch about online?
we are going to ignore that Toyota sells a lot more models, and in total sold many times what tesla sold but it's a fraction of its market cap.
So basically excuses. Got it. As expected. So you're upset with me for not understanding production at scale is hard but for Musk it's setting lofty goals...sure, that's what he is doing. The impossible of making an electric semi...oh wait, you can already buy from other manufacturers and electric semi. I guess it wasn't so impossible.
Miles between interventions is too low. Also the system seems to have no clue when it’s about to mess up, meaning that if it didn’t have a driver inside, it would crash. That’s besides actual understanding of police gestures for traffic and other smaller features
It’s an empty achievement. That’s why most car manufacturers don’t care about it. The idea is that Tesla only has an SUV and a sedan for mass market, so there’s basically 0 crosstalk between those customers. But they’re also missing on a ton of sales from people that might want a hatchback, a bigger sized SUV or a bigger sedan. Some of those people will compromise and get whatever fits closest from the Tesla lineup while most just buy something else.
Welp in marketing material renderings. They showed 3 trucks PLATOONING. Soo you decide what that actually means.
It’s not on par by any metric.
The person I was debating claimed Tesla has the best full self-driving system, which I interpreted as meaning they believe Tesla has the most advanced autonomous driving technology. My argument is that companies that have been developing and testing Level 4 autonomous driving for years may be further along than a company that currently sells Level 2 systems and is only promising future Level 4 capabilities.
You're cherry-picking goals that haven't happened yet and ignoring the goals that people said were impossible but were achieved.
Musk can’t announce future products during an earnings call because he would have to be accurate and truthful, by law.
You didn't read the article (shocking), they will have people driving around those cities to map and see how they perform. And, you're wrong that they're in 5. They're in 3.
It’s worthless to compare, Toyota overall sells way more cars as do most of the other manufacturers comparing 1 model is dunb
We are about at year 10 of Elon saying it’s coming this year. 🤷🏻♂️
Mercedes have the highest approved level self automation in the world for a passenger car. They’re already ahead of Tesla on that one.
Probably nothing to do with shitting the bed in earnings for the year.
This isn't an article it's a Twitter post.. if you have an article with more information, why not post it instead of trying to be snarky?
I was replying to snarky with snarky. OP is making fun of Tesla from an article they didn't read since they only read the headline. OP should have posted the correct info, instead of misquoting an article. And, it's not hard to find: [https://www.theverge.com/news/600542/waymo-test-cities-las-vegas-san-diego-2025](https://www.theverge.com/news/600542/waymo-test-cities-las-vegas-san-diego-2025)
Oh did he? I must have missed that. I remember when they asked him for a timeline, he went straight into the railroad/train analogy and talked about how it was hard to predict. End of 2024... is quite aggressive.
Where Roadster
Why give any incentive for such a hot product? Free supercharging is worth thousands.
And in June it will be end of year LOL
>Cybertruck was the 5th best selling ev and the number 1 ev truck. Not sure it is fading. Only in one market, USA. Cybertruck is not sold outside north america and maybe never will.
Not during this administration
How do I short this guy? Doesn’t even know the difference between FSD and Autopilot
Tesla will be the Boeing of self driving cars… eager engineers and management with no regards for safety…
Over the lifetime of a vehicle? How much profit do they make on a car? If it’s 10.000 it would be a lot… now give 5000 in electricity away. That’s a 50% hit on unit margin … and I guess the former number would be smaller and the latter would be larger in real life.
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Something called “Full Self Driving” should, by definition, be something that is unsupervised. I mean if it is fully driving itself why would supervision be necessary?
They don't always hit targets, tell us something we don't know.
Well then it can't fade from a market it was never in. It is also in Canada. Don't believe your dictator that we will ever become part of the usa.
The best selling car in the world, and the battery storage, give Tesla a 30B market cap. It currently has a $1 Trillion market cap. That is based on a lot of hopes, and not a lot of product right now.
Yes, but it's also *extremely* restrictive of the circumstances that it'll work. Of what I've seen when compared against Tesla, I'd choose Tesla's ADAS every time.
>Where is Tesla semi? Already on the roads. Pepsi and Frito Lay are already using them. Semi Factory is in progress for higher volume production in Nevada.
How much does each waymo vehicle cost?
How much do the waymo driverless cars cost to produce?
Yeah they’re over $100k to produce, but cost of production is not as important in the robo taxi business. Most of the revenue they generate is through operations. It’s not like the retail car business where most of the profit comes from selling to the consumer.
They’re being used in a gigafactory already to help build cars but he said they would try to make a few thousand by end of 2025, then sell to other companies the V2 Optimus sometime next year
It's sad that you can't see the vision and potential when so many others can ($1.3T of people bullish on TSLA). I don't think a reddit thread is going to change your mind
Waymo is dead. They just don't know it yet.
So as someone else mentioned is this just a lofty goal to "motivate" his employees or is he just bullshitting lol?
Well as an employee I don’t feel like I’m going to be replaced or anything, if that’s what you mean. They’re going to work alongside us, mainly moving materials. Everyone who has their job “taken” will be moved to another part of the factory or given different tasks. Idk if we’ll hit multiple thousands of bots this year, but it does share some parts with the Model Y and materials cost about half as much to produce (for now) so it very well *could* happen. If we get 1k bots by 2026 I’ll be happy tbh
And a controlled environment with live interactions is still the proper next step.
no he's not right. Elon just confirmed on the call that Model Y is #1 in 2024 again.
Semi is now ramping up production, is the best truck out there by a mile, they sell every single one they can produce instantly, they were actually not selling some of them, to use for their own transportation... Expect to see a lot of semis in the next year or 2... Check a video on it, I'm replying because it excites me a lot, allows for much cheaper transportation, and eventually self driving
Usually when they announce the exact month, its pretty close to the actual date.
I live near Giga Nevada and I see them all the time being used to ship batteries. They are super cool to see IRL. I imagine if you know the routs you see them often.
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Thousands is basically the same as a free paint upgrade or wheels, both of which you can get from inventory car on other models. Personal I would only supercharge on road trips even with free supercharging which is like $100 per road trip for me which I do like once or twice a year so not really much savings. I agree, no incentive necessary
There are live interactions in the factory yard, which is obviously what I was referring to.
Nice we already have that with Waymo in LA
They give it away at whole sale price though, which is much cheaper than the retail And outside of people who super charge alooot getting to $5,000+ of super charger usage would be very rare I imagine
Fascinating.
Well then it's a bit weird to claim unrealized gains in cryptocurrency as profit
I mean, at least the car isn't aging and gaining miles. I'm already out of warranty and I don't have what was promised.
Unsupervised FSD this year? Alright so maybe like 2027-2028
I hear you, but I don't know of anyone else who has an autonomous vehicle product that is as good as FSD 13 that also has a credibled path to launch in North America. Waymo is great, nobody argues that, but they don't appear to have a market strategy other than being a robotaxi company. Whereas, Tesla has tech they can use and sell. MobilEye has a lot of autonomous capability, but they're a supplier, not a manufactuer and nobody's implementing what they can do. Tesla has autnomous tech that works better than anything else on the market and they have a means to put it on the road quickly. Nobody else has that.
> and more capable otherwise. Citation needed.
V13 works like a champ, for me at least. Only time I’ve had to intervene was due to a road not having visible traffic lines, which confused it a bit. Other than that, it’s been solid.
The cost/ mile is directly limited by the cost of production. The company with the cheapest cost to produce can provide the lowest cost/ mile, thus outcompeting everyone else. This is not to mention production of cars writ large. Tesla makes a million a year. Waymo is not anywhere near that. You are so wrong it’s hysterical.
I’ll believe full self driving when I see it. I’ve seen it from Waymo. You know and I know that Elon has a history of promising things that never materialize. He admitted it himself on the earnings call - he said he’s the “boy who cried wolf.” And for every mile driven, the impact of production cost drops. It’s a factor but not the only factor. Probably much more important is the number of accidents they cause. The manufacturer will be strictly liable in every car accident where the robotaxi is at fault. And you know juries will see deep pockets and hand out huge verdicts when they see a huge corporation in the courtroom and a person from their community was hurt or killed by an autonomous vehicle. Waymo has miles on Tesla in terms of real world experience and uses LiDAR, which Tesla refuses to do.
And that's why you'll lose out on large windfalls. You'll always be late. You can't discern reality from fiction, or signal from noise Life must be very scary and unpredictable for you.
> Will be Tesla very soon I fully expect to be hearing this for the next 5 years.
Seriously take your hate for Tesla to a forum that will appreciate your negativity
Facts are now called hate and negativity.
I've seen impressive videos of Teslas driving around NYC with 13.2.2
Excellent! That should go really well.
Very funny.
Well I haven’t read an ounce of objectivity in your posting.
Bro, if you work on the floor and you’re not an engineer or maintenance tech, you can likely kiss your job goodbye at some point if he has thousands of these working in the factory.
How many people are gonna die when this hits the streets?
Well eventually sure, BUT by that point I hope to be in an engineering position. If I’m still a Production Associate in 2035 I’m killing myself
Son of a…not more zombie cars here
Discount for Tesla owners?
Tesla is going to steal robotaxi business from its customers who they charged up to $15k for FSD with a promise they can make all that back by being a robotaxi?
Did you not think this would happen? How can people seriously believe this the company is going to develop this technology then just hands it to the people... LoL. They will make all the money if it works, you will make zero. Period. Later FSD will be better but be a free addition, early adopter will be left holding the bag for musk.
3 months maybe 6 months definitely
With a small enough geofence they can test every intersection manually and add map data or custom annotations when things aren’t working.
The car is basically a bot with wheels instead of limbs
The level of complexity that makes an autonomous humanoid robot useful is orders of magnitude greater than what is required of a vehicle operating on public roadways.
But what about SF? LA? Austin? Atlanta? Miami?
Doesn’t Tesla pay minimum wage to its assembly line workers?
No?😭 I started at $22/hr in October, currently at $24.20, probably next week I’ll be at $26.37 after another raise separate from our yearly raises
Service telling me to "be quiet, small man" ?. No thanks.
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