New Model Y Has No Steering Wheel Blinkers

UPDATE: Tesla Australia shows stalks [https://www.tesla.com/en\_au/modely/design#overview](https://www.tesla.com/en_au/modely/design#overview) https://preview.redd.it/pnmtpnt9m3ce1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b9c6458123fc6bbfed2398d511d923c5d4f2d29

Hell yeah! Props to the team that fought for the stalks to stay

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Turn signal stalk only. Drive stalk remains gone.

Turn signal stalk only. Drive stalk remains gone.

Eh that’s probably fine. The screen works well and there are buttons elsewhere if need be

With auto shift you don’t even need to touch the screen.

Less of a problem for me than the turn signal.

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We won!

Why couldnt they put highbeam onto that 😭

Fine with me tbh. The test drive in the m3 Highland was a pain in the butt as we have tons of roundabouts. So the pysical stalk for indicators is more than enough for me.

Tesla marketing department has bad graphic designers * The Australian model shows a stalk on the RHD promo shots and none on the LHD promo videos but neither have indicator buttons

Gotta love the consistency of Tesla…

Sanity returns!

They screwed up. They should have made it voice command only. “Blink left…. No no the other left”

Damn, MUCH prefer them on the steering wheel, plus it enforces good habits of turning on the blinker BEFORE initiating a lane change (if you do it as you are changing lanes or turning, please just stop using your blinker because it isn’t doing anything anyways).

Tell me your country doesn't have roundabouts without telling me it doesn't have roundabouts.

We have roundabouts lol?

Too many near misses and accidents here in the uk because of roundabouts and no indicator stalks

Huge L

Australia has many. They're more common than stop signs and traffic lights.

On roundabouts, you use the blinker when exiting, after the wheel has already started to turn.

The sad parts we had to fight for this.

You think they‘ll update the Model 3 anytime soon?

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I imagine this will suck for people who have both the highland and the new Model Y. Borrow your wife's Tesla and instead of indicating you will turn on your high beams on every turn.

I’ve seen plenty of em in the US, but those European roundabouts are on another level. Never been to the UK but the ones I’ve seen in Lisbon were huge and had like three lanes within it. I’m not even going to pretend I knew what was going on, but I’d bet you definitely need turn signals to manage them. I’d bet it sucks having to take a second to look down at the steering wheel to see which way is what before hitting left or right

Yeah it feels a bit weird having only one...it's not symmetrical. You literally have a symmetrical object ahead of your face, a wheel

I was using auto shift last summer and it was working great, until I was in a drive through and put it in park to be able to review some camera footage while I waited for the line to progress. When the car in front of me moved, I tapped the accelerator and was going in reverse towards the car behind me. Of course, I braked and stopped before looking like moron and hitting the car behind me, but it made me feel like the feature, for me at least,.may need a little more time in the oven.

The problem is you have to indicate on exit, and the roundabouts here are often so small in germany that you will have to hit the buttons with your steering wheel upside down. Either that or you have the large ones with multiple lanes where you need to indicate within the roundabout, too.

Salty Highland owner here seriously wishing this will become available as a retrofit for the Model 3…

If not you can always buy S3XY Stalks [https://enhauto.com/product/stalks](https://enhauto.com/product/stalks)

I see this complaint all the time on reddit and yet I live in a city full of roundabouts and I have never once seen anyone use a turn signal within a round about nor have I used one within a roundabout.

In the EU, most people signal when exiting a roundabout, and it’s frustrating when someone doesn’t. Drivers waiting to enter the roundabout assume the car will keep going, only to realize too late that they could have entered because the car was exiting.

Yeah, no. That's a disaster waiting to happen. I don't want my car deciding when to change which way the pedal is making me go.

Shshhh, don't give BMW ideas

luckily we have Tesla's so you can pull out with the quickness !!! 😂

Exactly! Why keep switching things around for different models. Btw, I’m in favor of no stalk.

Just as many roundabouts here in Germany and while I'm happy they brought the stalk back, I can't imagine it's that difficult. I don't have any issues changing the volume on the wheel while in a roundabout. And for that I have to know which wheel knob to use and whether I have to go up or down. It's 100% intuitive - but to be fair, I haven't tried the blinker buttons, yet.

Yeah, ever since I got a Tesla, I’ve noticed I’m a lot more aggressive with pulling out, merging, and taking any opening I get lol

That's an insane first world problem.

Shift manually then

I think pawing at the screen while maneuvering is also a bad idea, but it's for sure better than autoshift. I just think it's silly to remove dedicated manual controls for something as fundamental as which direction the car is going.

Not needed, turn signal stalks are.

They tried making a change, customers didn’t like it. They listened and reverse course. Seems like a great move.

They probably mounted the stalks in the frunk.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good move, but I find it funny why they don't ask customers or make a pilot before making the change.

People are adverse to change. Takes time to see if it’s just afraid of change or actually not liked. Think removal of headphone jack in phones.

But then we have an in-between with a generation of vehicules without stalks. They could have just avoided making a dumb change initialy. That's not a bag of chips you can try new flavor and step back without much issues or little inconveniences. Blinkers are about secure driving, not an aesthetic thing. Next they'll probably add the stalks again to the model 3.. and either actual highland would have access to an official retrofit and customers would have to pay to align with what should have been the initial interior design; either they won't propose a retrofit at all and some peoples will have a car which will be considered as having a kind of handicap as the builder itself would have step back

They reversed course, sure. But that’s the kind of change that was made for change’s sake. No real benefits from it.

equating moving turning signals to a headphone jack is a reach. one is for listening to things on your phone, the other is traffic safety and could mean your life. think car accidents.

They did the same with the yolk in the S and X. If it bothers you, don’t get a vehicle without stalks. Instead of complaining they tried something, I’m glad they listened and fixed it.

rules and driving norms are different in different places bro

Not an european city ? out of France or UK ? Countries with, by far, the biggest ratios of roundabouts per capita, and many small ones with an absolutely impractical wheel position to use buttons with correct hands positions, so it's a pain to signal your lane changes or your intent to exit the roundabouts with this sort of design

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At this point, I don’t need blinker stalks or buttons, FSD version 13 does everything for me.

Not me, I love the clean look of no stalks and I prefer the buttons. However I rarely drive now, fsd 13 does it all for me.

Ok you have much larger road and less issue with turning radius in general I suppose In belgium and France I already saw roundabouts where a model s can't turn back without overflowing on the sidewalk The kind of thing which is just painted on the flat ground and most peoples just drive on the paint That the main issue with this, some decision about the car design and choices are made solely based on the driving experience in relatively recent roads.

This is the way. Now bring this to my 2023X.

This is a China-spec car. TBD what the NA spec will be.

It’s particularly confusing when indicating whilst on the roundabout when exiting. Also we have multiple roundabouts in some cases which just dosnt help the situation. Side note, google magic roundabout. lol.

What made you put it into park instead of just relying on “Hold”?

You can only watch Sentry mode footage while the vehicle is in Park.

Auto shift beta is nearly perfect now that it can go from reverse to drive for you.

No matter how you shake it, this is a good thing. All companies make mistakes. The worst will double-down on their stupidity. Stalkless was one of the worst automotive decisions in living memory and I'm glad they had the sense to undo it.

Yes at least it seems they're finally inclined to listening to customer. But they won't have choice anyway if they want go expand their marketshare. At some point they'll have to be appealing to other brand's customers that won't like some critical changes in their cars Reverting some changes like this one and being about to allow to ship online for car parts are changes in a good direction. But better than that would be for them to also think more about future changes and avoid commiting mass production of annoying changes on hundreds of thousands cars and step backward.

You want them to be consistently bad instead of listening to consumers and improving? tf

They didn't remove the turn signals, they just changed how you interact with them. This seems overly dramatic.

This was it exactly.

yeah I mean you always have lots of time to look for them and remember that they're moved. I know when I get into a highway in NY, that I have TONS of time to merge. for older folks you're trying to undo decades of muscle memory, possibly in a dangerous situation like a 200foot on ramp. "hey a few car accidents are the cost of moving into the future" .cool cool.

Assuming it goes the right direction, yes.

You obviously haven’t used it. It works perfectly but you’re not forced to use it - you can swipe the screen if you prefer. It’s very simple.

Ahh for some reason I was thinking he was reviewing footage from a safari or something (I recently went on one and still have it on the brain 😅). Thanks for clearing that up!

Gotcha, thanks.

I think that’s probably one of the biggest perks for me. It’s so clean and I don’t have an issue with buttons. I do wonder if it will be an option similar to the yolk.

I have a highland 3 and my wife has an x. Whenever I drive hers it’s the shifting of gears that gets me now. Similar to when you try to drive an ice car after EV and the brake/creep feels weird. Using a stalk feels weird and I do the opposite for drive and reverse.

Except when you have to maneuver in tight quarters or do a 3+ point turn with the screen. Then it just sucks.

I did my part ...in my 1 year ownership survey that Tesla sent me , I made it all about the stalks and in the question will I consider Tesla again I said no because of the stalkless direction they were talking ( S, 3, X)

Wish they had some retrofits for current Model Y owners like the light bar and rear screen. Oh well

how tight are the roundabouts there? we have lots near where I live and I have no issues using the turn signal on the steering wheel, at most I'm turning the wheel 30 degrees and can easily still hit the button...but also, I'm in a roundabout so I figure people know I'm exiting at some point, no blinker needed.

I won't like that because it would be harder to correct lane changes on Autopilot.

I'm annoyed that they wasted a button for the "camera view", it's the least used feature I can think of...while the most used button "next song" is very hard to activate on the wheel. I wish they could have micro oled displays on the buttons and just let us customize them.

They would not take that risk. Model Y is a high-volume car for families, which means women NEED to like the driving experience. More importantly, Model Y is the FIRST electric car for a lot of families, and there is no way women buy into those buttons. Maybe 5% of women, but if you have a high volume coal, you want 100% to buy in. I am super curious as to who made that argument and how the discussion went at that meeting.

So it magically knows if I stepped on the brake because I want to go forward, or if I stopped for a pedestrian and would like to resume in the same direction? In this thread is someone saying that it put them into reverse in a drive through. It's clearly not reliable.

saved $30 on a Mercedes stalk part.

This is likely not what is coming to the usa so keep that in mind. Also my tesla has the blinkers on the steering wheel and after a while you realize how much better it is. The future is coming and some of you can’t accept that.

glad the Y team have seen sense - shows how much Elon has been off the last year that the 3 got pushed out without stalks ... and most people hated it and sales fell. I know sales in China rose 7% last year - but that's against EV sales rising 50% in China last year! So really Tesla massively lost market share!

I am for sure not buying a car without stalks.

Have you actually used it? It’s so fucking simple - if the car somehow gets it wrong you take one second and shift the other direction. You won’t have to touch anything 99% of the time.

Same here, I don’t mind no stalks it’s clean and fairly easy to get used to. And I daily drive company ICE and my own M3.

Also if you stop for a pedestrian the car stops, it doesn’t shift out of drive (obviously).

Terrible af smh it's so much better with them gone. I went to test drive the M3 and hated getting back in my car using stalks it felt so barbaric.. we should have moved to no stalks a long time ago. Hopefully we can remove it

Can I confirm: I’m in a model y, with auto shift you have to press the brake pedal for it to “auto shift”? Tbh if that’s the case I prefer stalks? Not having to take my foot off the gas when changing gears is one of the most satisfying things

They changed a fixed larger target to a moving smaller target. That makes the use of turn signals more difficult than established norm.

Now bring back proximity sensors...

Yes you have to press the brake. Not touching anything at all is also very satisfying.

Yeah but I suppose that’s my point, the flick of a finger is *far* less effort than moving your whole foot… maybe it’s one of those you just have to use it features

I think so - it’s hard for people to judge until they’ve used it. I have a 2024 3 and a 2021 Y and I prefer the controls on the 3. But everyone is different and lots of people don’t like change.

I bet, the stalk was an adjustment too at first, the benzes and jeeps I’ve had in the past have always had the even more traditional floor shifter, turns out I like it more, maybe that’s why I’m also biased … *my brain can only handle so many new things at once* 😂

If the stalk was such a safety factor, it would have been mandated by now. As it stands, it was just a decision that was received badly by a lot of users.

some of which see it as....get ready for it .... a safety issue.

No, I haven't used it. And yeah, I could override it, *if* I notice in time that I'm in the wrong gear.

That is not at all obvious. While backing up out of a parking spot?

Unpopular opinion... turn signals literally don't matter on entrance ramps. No one is going to look at you merging onto the highway and go "yeah, they're staying in the lane that no longer exists." They know you're getting over, you don't really have to worry about blinking, and not blinking isn't going to cause a crash.

Iterative engineering/design doesn’t pair with consistency

Who cares if users see anything as anything? They're users, not safety authorities. Many users see batteries over gas as a safety hazard, that doesn't make them correct.

I also own a tesla w blinkers on the steering wheel and it sucks

No, I want them to listen to people by not releasing stuff people don’t want/need and make the cars better where it matters more.

It can if they do extensive research and do pilots to see if it’s something people would use and want

I know I’m in the minority here, but I adapted to no stalks within the first drive. Now, I actually prefer it

Wtf. What man buys into those buttons except those who grew up playing fucking Mario Kart?

Also appears glacier blue colour, and all colour options are free (currently)

"who cares what the user thinks? " an ages old top proven strategy.

saying Tesla was right is NOT an unpopular opinion in this sub. even on a thread about how Tesla is reversing a decision, folks are still defending that original decision. so long as you're defending Tesla your opinion is welcome here.

Me too, still have small problems on small roundabouts…. But I like the idea of the buttons….

Autoshift does 3 point turns. You can watch a video on it, but you push the brake and turn the wheel and there is an auditory confirmation you've switched to Drive.

Much could also be said as fundamental things like turning on the car itself, or locking the car, but I’m quite fine with those changes, too

I’m probably in the minority here but I actually prefer the turn signal buttons. It was part of the reason we went with the refresh model 3 over the non-refreshed model Y. Anyone else in the pro turn signal button camp here?

How do people trying to enter the roundabout know if they can go if you do not indicate that you are leaving before them?

What does any of that got to do with consistency? Besides, Tesla isn’t the only company that releases stuff and/ or revert features. Weird that you think they’ll consult the public’s opinion

I didn’t follow Highland release. Is this not just different for other markets and then for North America we will be full stalkless?? Or is Highland in rest of the world also stalkless?

Is it not different for different markets? Like maybe Asia has them due to some regulatory issue(s). Then when it comes to North America it would be stalkless?? I didn’t follow Highland release so not sure if that is stalkless worldwide or not

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If they reverse course on the model 3 I'll buy a performance

The best selling car in the world is going to have stalks, simple as that. Don’t mess with success.

Atleast look at the buttons on the wheel and see what the logos are before posting

But no black paint? Do they not like money

It has one on the left side. But gearing is through screen I think.

The model 3 needs to be recalled for not having stalks! How many freaking times I have to panic over the damn “buttons” not working when I need to switch lanes is aggravating af! And when they finally work it activates the damn wrong blinker you need 🤦🏽‍♂️

What is a drive stalk?

God , I hope so. It's a real turn off not having the blinker stalks for me.

Exactly. Has someone looked into the regulations to see if a stalk is required by law in China?

And Australia and NZ which have the turn signal stalk as well.

In the LHD model the stalk is on the left of the wheel which is towards the door making it kind of hidden.

Most of the roundabouts near me are large enough that if the car is at the preceding exit there is ample space for a vehicle to enter and get up to speed (which is usually pretty slow anyway) and it not be an issue for either vehicle.

*indicators

I’m with you - the buttons are better. I’m sad to see they brought a stalk back.

LR AWD now 4.3s and stalks, shweet. This M3LR may switch to be able to haul well nourished wife without fear of devoping hypoventilation. Not a beta tester here, waiting for model year 2 or 3.

Funny thing is, they removed headphone jacks so they could make phones slimmer. Then 5G antennas came out and the phones bulked right back up in thickness again.

Lmao

And they thought removing stalks in the first place would be a good move? Terrible management

The lever on the right side of steering wheel to put car in reverse/drive/park/turn on FSD.

Judging by the fact that the refresh Model 3 was first available in China and also didn't have a turn signal stalk... Imma say no to regulatory constraints. Here's a review from a large Chinese news site. You don't have to understand Chinese to see that they touch on the complaints of the turn signal and gave a close up of the steering wheel within the first 10 seconds. https://sohu.com/a/780493365_430526/

Nobody uses them in Miami anyways😂

I've been driving my friend's '24 for a few short and long trips, and one thing that bugs me is how inconsistent the right AP button is, compared to both the old style button on my '22 and also the regular right gear stalk. Specifically, it doesn't have a mechanically satisfying "click" the old steering wheel had, and sometimes when I depress the button, I feel like I've reached the end of travel, but it doesn't register (by engaging or disengaging AP/FSD). It's not exactly dangerous since I can still take over with the wheel/pedal or re-engage by pushing the button again, but it's been bugging me. I'm not sure if it's her specific car or a common issue on Highland though.

Bringing back physical sensors that require assembly and drilling and thereby leaving money on the table? Ha! Fat chance!

Ah lol, forgot about that, thanks!

Why would you not use the physical shifter buttons? They're still there and available. Many cars have physical shifter buttons in the same spot as the modem Teslas. Like all other essential controls, the screen is a second option but not at all required to use.

Hopefully the US version gets stalks removed maybe it's just a China model thing

This alone will make me trade-in my stalkless Tesla. I hate the button turn signal.

Reaching up to the roof to shift? That seems really cumbersome. Maybe I would get used to it. It just takes the hand really far away from the wheel. And it seems like it would take your concentration off the road. If anything the shifter buttons should be on the wheel. Or nearby. Maybe even on a lever that was easily reached by one finger without taking your hand off the wheel....

Haha, yeah, but honestly, stalks and sensors are what will prevent me from buying a tesla.

Not in the promo video on the model Y landing page where the camera pans out of the driver’s seat, there is no stalk and there are no indicator buttons either 😂

Problem is without stalks you lose single pull and double pull features. It’s either full or nothing.

Users hated drunk driving laws and seatbelts, too. Face it, users know jack shit about safety.

True, it's not important at on ramps. It's important at intersections where the intended direction of cars is super important.

Good analogy. I have wired earbuds and my new phone has a headphone jack.

Agreed!

Seems like they should offer a cheap retrofit of indicator stalks to everyone that wants one, or at least allow effortless third party alternatives.

I’m European, tried it with a loaner while my model 3 was being repaired. We use turn signals a lot more frequently with urgent changes during manoeuvre particularly on roundabouts. The buttons are unsafe for our market and it was a dealbreaker for me

No you don’t

There's a new auto shift that just released. It just be much smarter.

Can I replace this steering wheel with the one on my Model 3 Highland? I need those stalks back! There were too many instances where I hit the wrong signal. It’s driving me insane

BMW Specs I see ;)

Kind of makes sense. There was a car in front - it assumed he needed to reverse. Odd scenario. I’ve been using it for a couple of weeks with no issues deciding which way it should be going. If anything there are times it needs to switch gears for me and doesn’t recognise that I am changing directions and I do it manually. It follows a principle of foot on brakes and wheel turned in opposite direction to current. It makes sense. It doesn’t just randomly change direction without logic

Yep we’ve got 22MY and 24M3, I definitely like the buttons but I wish they were a little more sensitive. Occasionally fail to register a press and that can be dangerous/annoying. But surprised they’ve gone back to stalk on the 25MY - a move to ensure their biggest revenue stream isn’t impacted - smart company move. But I am disappointed in humanity. So change averse. A friend refused tesla for ages due to one pedal driving. Had to be able to coast. Now he has one and is considering a second, cross shopping other EV’s, a must have feature is one pedal driving. People just need to try things and give themselves some credit - humans are super adaptable.

Thanks!

Agree they could improve on the capacitive nature of the button as I found in the early days that it was a little hit or miss where I initially thought oh god this is rough. Fast forward 6 months of ownership and they work every time for me, muscle memory finds them every time and roundabouts are not a problem. Now I have the inverse problem of my brain hitting the wheel in my other car and then me going oh right… there’s a stalk 🤦‍♂️ I also went through the same process with 1 pedal driving and again after 6 months of ownership when I jump in the other cars it feels wrong to coast, change gears, etc, the whole traditional petrol car with stalks just feels clunky and old and unenjoyable.

I wonder what the MSRP will be when this beauty launches

Bunch of reviewers say they get used to it in like 5 minutes.

Who didn't grow up with video games?

I would not say buttons are better but they are not bad either..... I got used to it in a day probably. And my wife now loves buttons too

I'll definitely give it a try. I don't hit drive throughs much anyway

it only shifts for you *out of park* - it is not going to randomly decide to change gears on you out of nowhere. how do you have such a dramatic opinion about something you've clearly never researched?

Apparently you haven't either? The whole point is that it automatically shifts from reverse to drive: https://youtu.be/BJl4Rmb8big?si=rEfMg_561yGI7Gua