Juniper Model Y brings back turn signal stalk

This car is looking better and better!

Then where did the squared off wheel in the sneak peaks come from? And why is this one shown as RHD?

Rhd because it's launching in China

I'm sure there will be an RHD version, but what gets me is it kinda looks like the *left* pic is RHD while the right pic is not. Why mix them like that? o.O

And the right photo has illuminated buttons of some kind exactly where the turn signal buttons are on the 3 Highland. Edit: Interior photo on the Tesla site for countries where it's available to order definitely have a stalk where the left photo shows, but can't tell for sure if it's turn signals or what.

Also yes. They could be for something else, I guess- the picture is blurry, and it's hard to see what the symbols are- but this picture is so sus.

Here ya go, you can clearly see turn signal buttons are gone. (click image for larger version) https://preview.redd.it/fmhfk02x73ce1.jpeg?width=2073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51a8415863fa2753f9855f627e2747eeec409fa2

China drives on the right side of the road. Hong Kong drives on the left and would be the only reason for a RHD Tesla in that region.

This is actually fantastic, they are listening to feedback

They spread out the buttons. Left side only has high beams and windshield wiper buttons now.

Probably international model for those roundabouts

That's also a clearer picture of the front bumper.

O this is great. But i wonder why they would have two different design for 3 and y, i thought 3 and y always shared alot of similarities to keep the cost down steering wheel design being shared seems like no brainer Maybe they will update the new model 3 to this?

Australia and Malaysia are both RHD too and both launched today as well.

Yes they will bring it back to Model 3, it was a bad decision.

Absolutely right. It’s almost as if some American designers forgot that roundabouts are a thing throughout the world when they took out the indicator stalk.

I'd imagine they will eventually. Doesn't make sense for one to have it but not the other.

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Sharp!

Plus Thailand, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia.

Welcome to the internet, where fake stuff gets posted all day long :)

We have \*tons\* of roundabouts here in SoCal.

Because Tesla barely survived model 3 production hell and had to make the Y using as many 3 components as possible to avoid a second production hell. Now they’re able to make the Y its own thing and have it not just be a fat model 3.

I hope they offer retrofits. Free preferred but willing to pay. 6 months in with my highland and everyone says “you’ll get used to it” is lying. I want stalks. Plus buttons tend to glitch and won’t activate.

2020 M3 owner. No stalk or gear shift lever, I'm not in

That photo was of a Model 3. You can tell because the interior door panels are different between the 3 and Y. Probably an aftermarket modification.

No turn signal buttons, but some of the photos don't show a stalk either. https://preview.redd.it/xmzyca7eh3ce1.png?width=545&format=png&auto=webp&s=6159bf08eebfbf428a0e050588fe7291308a6041

This is amazing, but I only see it on the left side?

I wouldn't be surprised if stalks are an Asia/Europe thing.

bro where's my M3 highland stalk?

I’ve only driven one once but I suspect it’s not needed on the CT because of steer by wire and never having to cross hands over when turning even in a tight radius

Stalk for blinker only. Gear stalk seems to remain missing.

Safe and sound in Elon's piggy bank.

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So there's hope for my future new Model 3.

Gear shift lever isn't needed but buttons for turn signals is terrible.

2025.5 or 2026 model year probably.

Stalks are so overrated! Lol I've had my 24 M3P for 2 months... whenever I drive my wife's car, I hate the stalks!

How many iterations will it take before Tesla's cars just morph feature by feature back into standard market cars?

Disappointed to see this. I love the pure button interface on my Model 3. This feels like a design sacrifice to pander to people who are uneasy about change. Hopefully stalks are gone in the US at least.

Americans do not, nor are they required to, signal in roundabouts for when they are exiting. It is ridiculous.

You realize the stalkless Model 3 is sold globally, right? There are no regulations that disallow buttons.

Tesla, particularly Tesla China, can make wise decisions when Musk is absent.

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Exactly, I’m very disappointed by this too. I’m hoping they at least give people the option like the yoke vs. wheel

I never thought the yoke was ideal, so I wasn't too surprised when they brought back the wheel as an option. But I do think buttons instead of stalks are ideal, so it's disappointing to see this regression. My ideal interface is a wheel with buttons and just a center screen.

https://enhauto.com/product/stalks?srsltid=AfmBOoqKENvIMV3u1lt3mbR0aFzjaDxvGkBs7-HhtQ2WrtlkPCr6FNfS

But isn’t this photo taken from an angle where you wouldn’t be able to see the turn signal stalk or the buttons?

Probably depends on how much time Elon continues to spend on other things.

Not everyone, buttons have never glitched for me, and I absolutely prefer the buttons. I love never having to move my hand from the wheel.

I think you're right. I thought at least part of the stalk would poke up from the other side, but after studying the old cabin image, the turn signal doesn't show either.

No turn signal buttons on steering wheel for AU store version. Only wipers etc

At minimum they should have been a physical click

Wouldn't surprise me if it's to be ahead of regulations. NCAP has already started deducting points for the use of a touchscreen for certain functions.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's to be ahead of regulations. NCAP has already started deducting points for the use of a touchscreen for certain functions.

The new NCAP rules don't penalize anything Tesla did with the stalkless Model 3. If you actually read the new rules, you'd see that they just want driving functions such as turn signals to be available as separate controls rather than integrated into the touchscreen. The stalkless Model 3 already complies with that. NCAP makes no judgement on stalks versus buttons, nor should they.

And Singapore!

They are in my model 3

They are. I own one and drive it everyday.

Yeah, but there are other photos in this thread. I’d take it all with a grain of salt until true confirmation anyway, including that front bumper camera.

Almost a year in, buttons definitely glitch sometimes. I want indicating stalks back

A turn signal? Wow! The innovation never stops at Tesla!

No squircle steering wheel tho :(

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Revolutionary

I would say that this is actually funny, considering the Model 3 is supposed to be the sports car, so it makes sense having their more physical features, while the Y is a small SUV that is more for relaxing technically, so you could expect more modern features and less physical ones.

I would love buttons with combination of steer by wire. Buttons are awesome as long as you don’t have to move your hand

Went from a 2021 M3 to a Highland. Thought the signals would be a problem, especially on roundabouts. It’s not; I got used to it very quickly. *However,* the negative “gut impressions” are so overwhelming that it doesn’t surprise me that they’ve walked it back.

My impression, after a month with a 3P Highland, is the opposite: I’ve come to *prefer* the indicator buttons on mine as an engaged driver, because it’s less hand movement and less interference on my control of the vehicle, but I largely expect those just wanting to go from A to B to hate it.

This doesn’t surprise me. I’ve found the buttons in my Highland to be a total non-issue. But that’s as an engaged driver, and after *trying* them. The gut reaction from most to “no signal stalk”, before trying it, is somewhere between “that’s annoying” and “total dealbreaker”. I imagine that’s a huge problem for getting people out to try them in the first place. I’d also be unsurprised if lots of people just don’t gel with it even after trying it.

You'll find that outside the US people will generally hate it because it does require hand movement and mental effort to indicate to exit roundabouts, e.g I am half way around and I want to exit in the UK so I now have to use the left indicator which is now on the right side of the wheel upside down so I now also have to find the button, it's not enjoyable. As far as I'm aware that's not required in the US but it is elsewhere.

If they listened to feedback they'd install a $5 rain sensor!

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This will come in clutch when the wheel is upside down and you can't tell which button to press. They thought of everything

The image is on Tesla official website for the new Model Y in Hong Kong, a RHD market https://www.tesla.com/zh_HK/modely/design#overview

Also would purchase a retrofit. I have mostly gotten used to it, but there are definitely parking lot situations where you need to rapidly signal alternate directions while the wheel is turned and it's just not that nice to do with the buttons. My wife wants the turn stalks back yesterday.

But.. doesn’t that defeat one of the main points of roundabouts?

I’m in the UK. I totally get why many people won’t gel with it, and it’s sensible for Tesla to fit Juniper with a stalk. I *personally* found it relatively easy to get used to. To be clear for the benefit of those downvoting me for expressing my personal experience, I’m *not* suggesting that it’s going to work for most people.

Rules for roundabouts and especially the use of turn signals varies by state but in my state of Colorado, you are supposed to signal as if it were a four-way intersection instead of a roundabout. This means that if you need to go 270 degrees around the roundabout before exiting, like what would be a left turn at a four-way, then you would put on your left turn signal before entering the roundabout even though you're turning to the right to get into the roundabout and head in the right direction around it. I have never actually seen anyone do it this way but it's what's in the driver's handbook.

But UK launch on hold until Elon has overthrown democracy here.

Yet another different button layout. Pita for anyone used to S, X or 3 with buttons already

We will most likely see this change in the later 2025 Model 3s now. Which is great to see.

Yep this sucks. Fortunately I’m happy with my highland and won’t be needing a new car any time soon.

If the US version doesn’t have the stalk, I’m importing that part and modding it myself 😂

That's why I said 'to be ahead of'. I wouldn't surprise me if they would include things like turn signals needing to be in the place you expect them to be instead of having to look at your steering wheel.

Don’t care whether it’s ’needed’. Not having it is objectively worse.

The design team managed to sneak back the stalks while Elon was out busy calling for the overthrowing of the UK government and invasion of canada

Don’t care whether one can ‘get used to it’, it’s objectively worse. I could get used to having my left arm amputated pretty quickly too, but I’m not going to choose it voluntarily…

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See, comparisons like that really aren’t helpful, or conducive to discussion. No, indicator buttons aren’t comparable to *having your fucking arm amputated.* Especially because the impact of the change *is not objective and universal.* The entire point I’m making is that *some* people, like myself, gel with the buttons and end up having no issues. Some others don’t. That’s fine. I’m not advocating for them, I’m presenting my experience because some people dismiss it as a sole dealbreaking issue without trying them.

The hundreds of people trying to convince themselves stalkless is better after dropping 50k+ on their M3 would beg to differ

turn signals? not needed in Florida

China is Left hand drive, Hong Kong is right hand drive

I think people mean mechanical when they say physical since they are capacitive buttons and nothing is actually pressed even if it feels like it.

[https://enhauto.com/product/stalks-standalone-3](https://enhauto.com/product/stalks-standalone-3)

This ain’t it. This is a business reversal. Too many folks complained about the lack of signal stalks and they are course correcting. It’ll come back to the 3 as well.  Edit: I realized I honed in on the stalks but I think poster was referring to the general design of the vehicle being its own thing which I agree with.

I don’t think it’s better, I just think the issue is overblown.

Nah it’s not. The auto gear shift is awesome. I never have to interact with the screen at all now.

To be fair, we wouldn’t even if we were required.

BS. Auto shift works about 25% of the time.

The stalk never went away on the MY so…..

Works for me every time.

>\- A die-cast rear underbody reduces the number of parts required from 70 to one I wonder if this will impact how insurance companies look at this vehicle. I'm sure it makes assembly much more efficient and cost effective, though.

Because a lot of people hate the lack of turn stalk on the 3, so much so that they won’t buy it.

There are roundabouts in parts of US too. There are plenty here in Boston area. People don’t know how to drive in them, but that’s a different issue. I got my M3 just before Highland came out do I could have the signal stalk.

I feel like you wouldn’t have been pleased either way.

It’s one of the reasons why I kept my legacy model X. I love the stalks

Doesn’t mean that’s how it would be released in the US.

I hope when it comes to the US there’s an option. I got used to the buttons and ngl stalk signaling feels weird. Not that you can’t get used to it again but yeah.

I’m hoping they’ll put them back before I need to buy a new M3. And update the front end to something more like the MYJ because the new M3 front fascia is horrid imo.

Why is testing new ideas bad? Isn’t that how we improve as a society?

Yeah, there's been clearer photos posted I hadn't seen when I made the comment alcove, and some photos posted after I did.

That’s how it works in many countries in EU. You put left signal entering the roundabout, unless you are going right. Whenever you pass the last exit before your own, you change to the right signal.

What?

The main point of roundabouts is their excellent traffic flow if used correctly. Indicating your turn is important there as it allows other vehicles to enter the roundabout faster.

I just checked the Japanese tesla site and it shows the same pic for the new model Y. Since it seems China is getting it first, Japan will too since my model 3 was made in China (im in Japan). It does indeed look like the stalks are back.

No its the new Model Y coming out in Asia first. (China and Japan)

Such retrograde bullshit lol

Probably not nearly as many as in Europe. Plus we have very strict blinking rules for roundabouts.

No, that has a normal round steering wheel and a turn signal stalk. The photo of the squared-off steering wheel wasn’t the new Model Y, it was a Model 3 probably with an aftermarket wheel.

*in China. Unlikely USA version will have stalks

I’m replying to the comment about the leaked images that had the steering rectangle

So do we, just nobody knows the law lol

It does not have stalks. It’s just like the model 3. Don’t believe that? [Just look for yourself](https://www.tesla.com/en_hk/modely) Edit: I looked into it a bit more and it appears that maybe they’ve only added turn signal stalks back in, but still have removed gear selector. From their perspective that makes sense, “we have auto shift so why would they even use gear selectors if we put them in?”. From an interior design perspective, it’s going to look a little weird when you only have stalks on one side in a Tesla, but it’s not uncommon for other cars to be like that, so it’s just nice to have normal turn signals. (However when I test drove the 24 M3 it wasn’t that bad with turn signals and I did start to get used to it pretty quick. I liked it a little bit, but the no gear selector stunk, but that was before auto shift )

No indicator when entering and right indicator after the last before exiting in Germany! In France it is possible (not necessary) to indicate left when staying in the roundabout but indicating right before leaving is necessary. In UK (RHD not EU 😉) you indicate left when entering and leaving next (90°), not (180° 12 o'clock) and right (270° or 3 o'clock). Before exiting also left indicator (driving clockwise!!!). Ireland (RHD EU) not sure!

Yeah they took things too far during a time where they should be looking to bring in more customers who just want a car. My parents only need to hear like 30 seconds worth of info about what it takes to operate my car for their eyes to glaze over. That is a huge problem long term for them that they have to address and removing stalks ain't it.

darn. Was hoping they would eliminate it to match the other models.

Yep. People hate not having the stalks. Just like the yoke. No amount of marketing can change that. The light bar and the tail light though. Those are leagues better than the 2024 3. I can’t imagine buying a 3 until it gets another refresh. I wonder how long it will be before they start showing up. Sales will drop off for a bit in the us and Europe for sure.

Performance 3 looks great, the standard trims feel a little bland.  I don’t expect to see another visual refresh of the 3 for a few more years.

They’re awesome even when you have to move your hand. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yeah the 3 and 3 LR have a real bar of soap look to them. While I agree the perf front end is better, it’s not better than the new Y and the back end of the Y is fire. I’m really curious how well those lights in the Y will perform. They don’t look to be matrix LEDs. But they did keep the fog lights. I’d expect another 3 refresh for the 26 model year or 27 year at the latest. Tesla never seem to go more than 3 years with any variant.

I hope you’re right on the stalks. But I’m afraid that it’s just a RHD thing or a marketing issue. The RHD pics have it but the LHD pics don’t have stalks.

You don’t have to with stalk either. They are a finger length away

Boo!

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Thats the china version. USA one wont have stalks and probably have other differences as well

Called this June 2024. Owning a 2023X, I can 100% state putting turn signal buttons a on thing that MOVES, was one of the dumbest things they've ever done. I am so sick of this self inflicted crap.

I got used to them very quickly to where now going back to turn stocks would feel weird.

Only if you rest your thumb on the buttons for too long. It will deactivate it for a few seconds

The right turn signal button on my 2025 M3 is already sticking and doesn't work half the time. So definitely a bad decision. They should give us an option to swap it out for the stalk one in the future. For now I'm looking for a good after market option

Best after market option but pricy

Weird comment.

Except when your trying to signal when already in a turn or round about, my less the a month old highland buttons already sticking/glitching

Didn’t it have the same light bar as a Model Y though?

We don't have "tons" compared to places like the UK.

There was inconsistency in the photos, so it's not confirmed.

I do not think people paying fifty grand for a luxury sedan want to be test subjects for an ill-conceived attempt to replace something personally functional like the indicator stalk.

The zoomed in photo of the interior with the squared wheel didn’t show the light bar.

lmao luxury sedan? maybe in India

Noooooooo the buttons are so much better

It's ridiculous that you have to pay $400+ for something that should be standard on a car like this.

I’m in the small minority of people I guess that prefer stalkless

To be fair, there really is no reason why Tesla can’t use vision (and sound) to detect the rain. Humans do this. It’s just that their attempts to do so are lacking

Seems like Tesla had a change of heart over the issue that everyone hated. I blame Elon, he's the same guy who thought map lights in the Model S were unnecessary because "everyone has a phone" until one of his kids piped up and said that the car not having them was the dumbest thing ever. He doesn't always make the right decisions.

Accurate.

The marketing issue is definitely a possibility, given what happened with the highland and the front camera being rendered.

But the lever works for 100% of people 100% of the time. It's objectively better.

The convenience of not having to operate gears at all makes it an objectively Better experience for me.  I personally don’t care if there are stalks or not. Just let me keep using the auto shift feature please. It should be a standard even for legacy FSD owners at a minimum.

I’m not convinced this is a everywhere update. Some countries have regulations requiring these stalks for turn signals.

I think the point is we have a lot of them; enough to also need the blinker stalk

Isn’t the turn signal on the right side of the wheel for right hand drive cars?

Literally instabuy for me if I can get tax credit on the m3p

Let's hope that has windshield wiper controls. Not having them is a deal breaker for me in the PNW.

It’s an after market designed by someone in Teslas design team

Maybe? I don't even know what you're trying to say though. It's that strange.

Selling a finished product to the public isn’t exactly testing.

when are they putting in back in the Model 3 then?

Yes, it is. Just like ASUS tested double monitor laptops, Samsung is testing Flip/Fold phones and one day, a random dude in a world of horses tested cars (it worked!). A test includes the public (consumers) using it. If they like it, it will sell more and set a new standard. If they don’t, they won’t and it will fail. Is this really that complicated for you to understand? Seems to me quite a basic thing for a human being to grasp.

It’s pretty simple to understand that before anyone even bought the car most were against removing the turn stalk. That should have been enough testing. What do they know now after selling a million cars that they didnt know before? 🤔 nothing to do with testing everything to do with cutting costs.

As I said, people need to try before testing. Not sure why you’re being so dense. It’s basic market stuff. A few years ago people would complain so much about big Tesla screen (well, some still do). Now basically every new car has it. Just because a loud minority complains online, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily bad. In the case of Tesla, for every new feature that was a mistake, many changed the car industry. That’s how you revolutionize a market.

Trying something is the same as testing.

Not sure why you’re arguing semantics. I couldn’t care if it’s trying or testing. It’s how the market works. You sell to consumers to get a feedback.

While that sounds logical, the reality is much different and objectively worse. It's the same logic as saying "Humans only use two eyes to drive, so we can obtain full autonomy using only cameras." And that's with FSD having the most of Tesla's attention, resources, and focus.

Or you could leave things that aren’t broken alone. 🤯 it was no test. They simply wanted to cut costs.

Horses weren’t broken. ICE are just better than horses. ICEs weren’t broken, EVs are just better.

I agree. Stalks are nice, but the buttons are fine after a week.

It’s luxury in the cost

50k is not expensive for an EV in 2025. And it’s not even 50k, it’s 39k.

All they do is cheap out on the sensor.

Great! Now bring back the shifter stalk and things will be back to how they should be!

I think I’m all alone with liking the buttons. Lmao. Once you know where they are it’s very convenient.

Seems like this car has every thing I need and want. As soon as they offer FSD transfer in Canada, I'm going to get it.

I did look for myself. There's a stalk

Stop parroting that nonsense lol. Tesla has gotten rid of too many sensors for the sake of cost-cutting. Not because hUmAnS dO tHiS.

But don’t eyes also have the capacity to quickly focus between vast distances to determine depth and distance?

The new stalkless M3 is why I don’t purchase one after turning in my 2021 M3 lease last year.

Did you read my edit?

Now I am interested!

so bad, I prefer without, but you have to try it to know it

China drives on the same side as the US. This would be a Hong Kong, Australia thing.

and the UK - and UK was announced too - with orders for April2025 in UK.

Stupid Elon Musk removing stalks - would never buy one without them. Dangerous on roundabouts! Keeping my older model 3.

Well maybe they should add the rain sensors until they figure out a way to reliably detect rain without them (which they haven't yet).

Tesla brought back the round steering wheel in S/X, Horn in middle, and now turn stalks? I wouldn’t be surprised if they somehow brought back the gear stalk.

If they know their market is willing to pay, then it won't be free

You can have auto shift but still have a physical gear shift stalk, which would be ideal.

I mean the heat pump was introduced in the Y first before the 3 did get it. So yes eventually the 3 should be able to get that change.

Show me the objective data

60% of the time, it works every time.

I found that the Model 3 buttons don't glitch, but do sometimes get physically stuck. Unless you mean Model S buttons which are capacitive.

A real retrofit isn't going to cost any less.

Because it's the US, there isn't any single one set of rules-- Michigan and Arizona seem to require signalling to exit a roundabout, for example.

Exactly what I told em after a test drive.

I’m hoping for return to stalks. It also frees up Two buttons for other use/s.

Does it still have the gear stalk? I can't tell. That's the real dealbreaker for me.

I've only ever seen one and it was in San Diego. Definitely not tons

How do you think a rain sensor actually works? It measures the scattering of infrared light and it can be mistaken as it was on my Mazda before this. It’s almost the same as just using visible light. Tesla’s advantage is theoretically having a better algorithm team. Detecting rain should be a much simpler task than teaching a car to drive itself lol

The sensor literally uses light like a camera lol. No reason to not use the myriad of cameras already there

This is a reasonable suggestion

They really need to make up their minds before they hastily build stuff and then change it two years later

Next up: a radio deck and airco buttons for tactile feedback when selecting music with toasty buns.

I have had a '24 MS for about 10 days now and am already used to the turn signal buttons and don't mind them at all. In fact I just drove my' '16 MS the other day after a week and initially felt odd using the stalks. Seemed like too much effort compared to just pressing a button 🙂. Though I had test driven a "23 MS too a year or so back which had capacitive touch buttons on the steering wheel. That I think would have been annoying and difficult to get used to because they didn't work consistently and sometimes required multiple trys just to turn on the signal. They were actually dangerous.

Model S also got physical buttons in Jan 2024 (or earlier) along with the center horn steering wheel.

ngl but i do like this , i come from a country with way to many roundabouts so having a stalk is a blessing xD

How would steer by wire keep one from moving their hands?

That is only on '21-'23 MS/X. Highland M3 had clicky buttons from the beginning and S/X got the clicky buttons in jan 2024 along with the center horn steering wheel.

Since when model 3 became a luxury sedan. Heck even Tesla markets it as common man's Tesla 🙂. Though they did the same thing on Model S/X, which can be called somewhat luxury. Btw, even some Ferraris have turn signal buttons on steering wheel.

May be 20 years ago yes.

Too bad. Stupid things.

2 days in and I am used to it. I can live with the incidental glitch. Happy with the no stalks highland.

Are you saying that million people who are buying these stalkless cars are stupid enough to pay 50k+ dollars without knowing what they are getting?

For Chinese and EU markets only.

Not at all. But why have they added the turn stalk back? 🤔

So glad my car doesn’t have stalks. It doesn’t take much to get used to and they are infinitely more convenient. It’s strange to me that everyone wants to take the step backwards here but you all do you I guess

I think a LOT of people bitched about this to them with the Model 3 Highland refresh. The Model Y is their best seller and volume product so they probably didn't want to chance the lack of a stalk scaring off a ton of customers and finally caved to customer demand. The button thing is just stupid, a stalk costs them like an extra $2 in bulk and stops them from losing sales for the dumbest reason. Guess someone at Tesla finally did the math and realized they're scaring off more buyers than they're saving in stalk costs.

Yup. This is me. I think simplicity has value but the removal of the turn stalk crossed the line for me in terms of a potential buy.

Well there has to be a reason because they are incapable to do it well with their camera. It is literally the worst automatic wiper on the market.

If a retrofit kit works on Model S, I would jump at it in a heartbeat. Customer pay. I suppose I am "used to" the steering wheel buttons, but every time I drive my wife's car I get a taste of how easy stalks are to use. There is a reason why 99% of cars have them. Really all of the switchgear. I miss what I had on my 16 S.

The signals were always physical controls, they were just buttons instead of a stalk. It’s not a concern for the regulations. Glad they kept the stalk for the new Model Y though. Hopefully it makes a comeback on 3.

I’m a new M3 owner and I honestly am used to the buttons. Actually prefer them now to my wife’s MY when I drive it. I usually drive with one hand and it’s nice not to have to take my hand off the wheel to turn my directions on. 🤷🏼 I get it not being everyone’s cup of tea though. Took me a solid week of going for the stalk when making turns before it clicked.

I honestly think the benefit outweighs the .001% of turns that happens to me for. And I heard one source of the glitch is if you leave your hand resting on the buttons. Have you tried making sure you weren’t touching them before signaling?

You sure ? It looks like the arrows are just on opposite sites of the steering wheel (on inside of scroll wheels).

Sure, but your stalk says in the same place. Buttons on a rotating disc, they might have an issue with that.

Having tried them with my hand controls, they're pretty much unworkable for me. I know I'm an edge case, but if you cannot use pedals to drive for disability reasons, the stalkess turn signals are pretty much impossible to use. Even with stalks, my left hand has the job of both managing throttle and doing turn signals. Doing double duty like that is annoying, but doable because the turn signal doesn't move around. My right hand manages the wheel with a forklift knob. Putting the turn signals on the wheel means they're not always in the same place, which I rely on pretty heavily. The guy I know who had the same hand controls that I use wound up switching to an Ioniq6 after getting t-boned by a pickup truck. After three months of trying he never really got the hang of using the stalkless signals, and they were a big reason he didn't want to stick with Tesla.

>It’s almost the same as just using visible light. It's not at all, cameras have focal length etc to worry about for one thing. >Tesla’s advantage is theoretically having a better algorithm team Who've been at it for 10 years and have a system that's worse than the better 20 year old sensors.

Not sure, just won't click at all, button feels stuck and pressed in, so a push on it does nothing

Before everyone goes crazy, let's put the disclaimer in there "in that market". Because in your market they might put a different steering wheel or stalk combination. Okay, resume craziness.

Yes. There are up-close pictures of the steering wheel, no more turn signal buttons.

Now he needs to go after the monarchy.

Not me. Love being stalkless.

Just came back from there! The Tesla showroom at the Millenia mall had a Cybertruck. Chatted with one of the Tesla folks, and they are definitely not allowed to drive it there, much less buy one due to the policy that individuals are generally not able to buy trucks there anyways (has to be a business) than it being LHD.

How do you navigate roundabouts then?

Turn signal stalk should be required by law.

Would require a dedicated camera with focus set to the wind shield. Look at raw camera data and see why it’s hard to guess at wind shield rain coverage with a camera focused at infinity. Guess what, a camera would cost more than a tried and true OEM SENSOR.

Ferrari’s have indicators on the wheel. Takes some getting used to, but quite efficient. https://preview.redd.it/zvnbpy1qd9ce1.jpeg?width=2973&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=239fe75ffdd0e889d5344e1514ae5b570536be67

Tesla realizes it was a bad decision and they never should have done it.

Japan?

It’s required by EU regulations, we need the same

I also like the buttons. It was weird at first, but I enjoy it now that I'm used to it.

if you cant tell if your steering wheel is upside down you should have your drivers license revoked lol

Slowly bringing back things like this + heads up display, maybe a few physical buttons etc, would be a hilariously easy way to get people to upgrade.

In typical apple fashion they'll advertise it as a new feature.

I did not think it ever left the model Y!?

It was going to be removed like Highland.

HUD is definitely coming.

Can’t bring back something that never left 🤷‍♂️

It's the first refresh with turn signal stalk, therefore they brought it back.

It still has a squared-off wheel. It has different buttons though.

Very smart on their part. Sounded horrible and unnecessarily stupid to remove a turn signal stalk

Juniper was released into several RHD markets. Australia and some Southeast Asian countries

They realized how stupid no stalks is. Everyone knows, except the people who lie to themselves.

Also *tons of people in SoCal don’t signal…..

because you only need to rotate the steering wheel 90 degrees, so your hand dosnt need to come off the wheel to do big turns

That’s maddening. This is the classic “ain’t broke don’t fix it” nonsense.

I tried them extensively and were absolutely non-workable for me. What's more, the removal of stalk had no benefit what so ever, apart for a few $ cost saving.

Why do people keep saying they brought them back? Every Y always had stalks.

Next generation!

woosh?

https://preview.redd.it/9wgh7sh17cce1.jpeg?width=539&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fb7dea606e752a3488c9361844ed037e90a23e3 nuff said.. tesla is headed in this direction as well until ELON handle the company like Steve jobs.. i would argue that as bad as quality issues from production that tesla has .. they are lucky to be even selling this many vehicles.. eventually sales would stall and value propositions will takes its place... i know there are alot of fan boys out there but lets be real... when your A pillar is mis-aligned or your carbon fiber wing on the performance model is chipping or flying off of the car ... whos side are you really on?

People really need to get over this whole turn signal thing. If you need other drivers to use their turn signals in order to tell what they intend to do, you are too stupid to be allowed to drive and should just let the car drive. Just get rid of them altogether, and have drivers actually pay attention.

Any Model 3 owners annoyed about this? It will cause confusion when switching between the two.

That’s still pretty expensive dude

It will be added back to Model 3.

No, it is not. 39k is not expensive for a car. A cheap new car is 25k. How can 39k be expensive? A Model S is expensive (90k).

Fr. Everyone replying “I got used to it in one day” is lying or drives in every easy roads/highways. Dfw is known for their crazy highways and interchanges where you need to change lanes fast at 75+ mph with heavy traffic to get the n the next highway. I don’t have time to guess with my thumb which button activated left or right. There was a few times in the beginning where I had the wrong direction on because I was focused on traffic.

You should be able to buy the entire steering column and swap it. When the new part is available in the catalog, try starting a ticket with the buttons on the wheel being intermittently responsive and go from there.

I think they keep it for the Asian market & take it away for the American market

Sweet. Next year, gauge cluster!

Yeah - or HUD

To be fair, Tesla changed a lot of things that people considered "not broken" but we're better off for it. As Ford said a century ago, if he had provided what his customers wanted, he would be selling faster horses. For every 100 things that Tesla upends, I give them some slack for upending something that didn't need upending. And walking the change back, i.e. owning the mistake, is honourable.

Yeah I’ll give them credit for rescinding it. But it sure seems like beta testing would’ve told you that at most people are indifferent to this and a lot of people will hate it. Like, in 2006 I didn’t know that I wanted a flashlight on my cell phone, but the moment I had one it was instantly amazing. Tesla does a lot of things that even when they implement it people are like “Thanks, I guess?”. While simultaneously ignoring glaring and loudly complained-about problems like the automatic rain sensors.

I’m fairly certain this is only for some regions and not the US. I can’t see the turn signal stalk in the pictures of the Model Y on Teslas Chinese website

Cars have been built with an expected driver interface for about a 100 years, and it blows my mind when companies try to do weird stuff like this. Ferrari did this years ago, and TopGear clearly showed why it was dumb. If you think you've found a better way to do something, include the old way too for people who have driven a car before, and plan to drive other cars. Let it gain traction and if it is superior, it'll catch on.

If they don’t like it then they can buy a different car… (I wouldn’t buy it without stalks, yuck)

It’s unconfirmed if this is a region specific requirement or if Tesla is actually going back on the stalks situation.

I mean, they can, and probably will! Plenty of well-made electric cars on the market these days.

You know that a car is trash once people get excited over a front camera and turn signal stalk LMAO

Ground breaking. Just wow!

But teslarati all over the world concluded the microswitch was better. Somebody must have forced Elon.

yea I got mine over the summer, I am still messing up which one to press sometimes, its so embarrassing

What a disappointment.

I do find the buttons to be a more comfortable experience, but I'm not upset either way. I completely understand that most people either prefer or are far more accustomed to stalks.

39k plus all the taxes and fees. Imo, anything above 30k starts to get into semi-luxury and luxury.

Either you have absolutely no knowledge about the car market, or you are from a 3rd world country. The Tesla Model 3 is nowhere near Luxury, or semi-luxury. It’s an extremely basic car. It’s not a budget car, like a Dacia or a Soul or a Sentra. But it’s still below the median car price in the US, and has build quality comparable to any other popular car, and I mean popular as in made for the general population, i.e. ok price, ok quality. Maybe the Model S/X are semi-luxury, but still, very far from an S Class, GLS, M5 or a 7-series.

Yes. You can have armchair experts explain why the turn buttons are perfect in every situation(without ever driving in heavy round-about areas) And then you have many sales people working at Tesla reporting they just lost another sale because the customer wants a car with turn stalks.

Does the Chinese 3 have them?

What about model S???!!! Model S need this too!

They were clearly designed by people that have never driven on a roundabout

I recently got a new Model X after having a model 3 for several years and I hate the stalkless thing so much. I thought it isn’t that big of a deal but if anything it is the only down side to the car so far

Maybe if we band together and submit NHTSA claims, NHTSA can force a recall and do free retrofits. Maybe Tesla knows it is a matter of time before NHTSA deems blinker buttons unsafe and thats why Model Y now has stalk. All speculation of course. Maybe American models will have buttons like highland...

Wow, if this is true for the US market then I can’t believe I’m alive in a time that Elon walks back a decision and admits he was wrong.

False. Many states require it.

It was a fucking awful decision. Some things don’t need reinvention. Wheels and these stalks. They just work.

can you get used to it? sure. But insurance, and many other safetynets are there for the times you want to feel confident, have physical feedback and touch. I think tesla has some intuitive responsive software, but no matter what I can't do it without looking down at it. And when we're talking about controlling a 1000s of pounds of steel at 60 mph+ in and around public, you want toe feel comfortable, have good feed back, and safety nets..... do it with the radio or something else if you want to be cute about it but the main thing just created a problem that wasnt there before for probably cheaper manufacturing streamline. love the car, but yea i stick to pre 22 which I enjoy due to this although im tempted to try one of the aftermarket offerings

> He doesn't always make the right decisions. You know who makes zero mistakes when making decisions? Those who don't make decisions. Errors are things we have be prepared for and when one is found, try to correct it immediately. It's easy to say it was a bad decision in hindsight. The problem is we don't remember the ones we thought were bad but turned out to be good.

You don’t own one but you’re convinced you’d have to look down at it everytime?  If you bought one you’d have it nailed in no time. Similar to adjusting g to one pedal driving.  As I’ve said elsewhere. I personally prefer stalks but the issue/concern  is overblown. Some people are convinced folks are going to run it into a wall the moment it leaves the lot. I don’t think we’re seeing that.  Hell many folks don’t use turn signals to begin with so nothing should change for them.

Let's not rule that out. Having been King-maker in the US, why not aim to become King himself in the UK 

Let's allow him to save the US first.

But it will be covered under Tesla warranty

I own a Model 3 Highland and have "gotten used to it" but I strongly disagree that it is overblown. Removing the signal stalk introduces a safety issue, both for roundabouts and people sending out wrong signals until they "get used to it" which happens at different durations. This was a completely asinine change by Tesla and for no good reason. At the very least, it should have been a choice.

I put it in the same category as when folks raise safety concerns that they have to look slightly to the right for their speed, or that one pedal driving is going to lead to more accidents.  Could it be argued as bad design, or a misstep towards higher sales? Of course and I wouldn’t really disagree, but I don’t see any evidence that this is an imminent safety concern,  certainly no more than what’s already observed on roadways today from late, incorrect, or non existent use of turn signals.  I’ve never been in a roundabout that required hand over hand turning. With hands at 9-3, the buttons are easily accessible and simple to operate. The hurdle is folks getting used to the lack of a lever, and to me that’s no different than getting used to driving a different vehicle.

From memory I've never had to take my hands off the wheel with stalks either.

Indicators shouldn't glitch, they are an essential safety feature.

They could have used consumer market testing before launching a stalkless mass market car and they would have seen how bad of a response would have been to not bother. Changing a tried and tested design of a safety critical feature for something that is objectively worse is not progress.

There were cars way before Tesla which used a central screen.

The innovation is incredible!

So you don't touch the screen when parallel parking? Wow that's impressive!

Let's not go crazy now 😅

Insurance will be insane on these.

It’s a test. They tried. People didn’t like it. They went back. People are not forced to buy Teslas. Every single person who bought a stalkless Tesla is fully responsible for not having stalks on their car.

You’ll find that I used the word big. Besides, comparing other center screens, with only GPS and a few other basic features to Tesla 2012 Model S screen is just disingenuous and quite frankly a show of bad character.

Lol whut? Tesla built on previous cars use of a central screen. They didn't "invent" it.

As I said, bad character.

I don’t think so. I rarely parallel park where I live and haven’t had to since the update. I’d have to check. The auto gear shift functionality would handle that I think.

He's not going to get far without understanding the US constitution and the economics of peace. He only seems to understand the art of war which right now is a real drag on human progress. In physical terms, he should understand just how many atoms are being diverted away from useful work to destruction (and also to the manufacture of other useless luxury items) when those resources could be used for solving problems. He's taken on 2 really good problems with electrification of transport and with reuseability of space launch vehicles, but he's failing to apply the same logic to what is causing conflict.

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Just remember that during his first term, the US was not involved in any war. He also understands that you have to have strength to obtain peace.

I'm a gamer. The buttons suck. Stalk is better in every scenario.

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