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I kind of wish someone in a nearby state was able to drive into California and see if the strikes get removed, or if the car has to be there overnight or something. Interesting that this is something they can control without an update though.
Maybe just drive the car yourself in a disaster area?
I assume a fair chunk of the area is probably stop and go traffic, which is what Autopilot/FSD excel at
People say this, but when I’ve used it in stop and go it always lurches forward and stop quickly. Which is the opposite of doing well.. maybe I missed something but who knows
Depends on which version of Autopilot you have. I use FSD 12.5.4.2 and it handles stop and go fine, albeit when it is bad I have to also turn on Minimal Lane Changes.
>Interesting that this is something they can control without an update though. Maybe it's just an intern removing them manually from the DB, who knows...
I mean, based on the mechanics of how it works, I would've expected it to be something that's stored locally in the car.
A while ago I was on my last strike when taking my car in to service, and somehow they managed to get one more strike. When I complained about it they said they'd pass it up the chain and then all the strikes were forgiven a couple days later.
Bizarre way of showing any compassion for people affected by this.
What else would they do?
It was pretty bad with that even on 12.5.4.2 I mean it did fine if it was consistent bumper to bumper, like move a few feet, wait, repeat. But if there were larger gaps of like 30-40 feet before the next wave of bumper to bumper traffic, it would speed like crazy and hard brake right at the end. Should clarify that issue has been finally fixed since v13 though.
If FSD is so good why do we even need strikes?
Increase the distance from the car in front
Yeah they should have done what gm and Ford did. Nada.
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I was in a very long line to an event and FSD threw on blinkers and told me to take over around Christmas. I guess it got tired of waiting in the same spot as the line wasn't moving. At least it didn't try to move out of line to cut people and make me lose my spot in line. Same version FSD. Not sure how bad evacuations are but if it's just as bad. Doesn't sound like FSD would be good.
Strikes are per vehicle
Because it's still a supervised system, and people will abuse it
The car will put itself in park if it is in D and hasn't moved for like 10 minutes. That's caught me off guard at train crossings
"Quick, let's have irresponsible people cause an accident and block evacuations!"
Free supercharging.
And yet it's much less likely to crash. Anything that reduces crashes increases the evacuation.
Am I the only one sitting here wondering wtf a strike is? I have FSD too.
The car doesn't care who is driving. It just tracks improper usage.
It was infuriating on the older software versions, but v13 actually handles it like a person properly would. For me my car would basically slam the acceleration pedal and then slam the brakes over and over. So I’m glad that issue has been fixed.
Also these are the folks using AP and FSD unsafely. The last thing we need are more car accidents blocking roads.
Imagine you let yourself burn because you struck out of FSD (5 Strikes lmao) and refuse to drive for yourself to safety.
You just need to drive like 30 miles to be away from everything. It's not like 5 million homes have burned to the ground
Change the settings
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And what exactly does canceling autopilot strikes do to help with the fires?
Yeah I honestly never thought I’d be able to automate 99% of my driving within v13. Would have figured it would be a few more years of iterations It’s just insane how much better v13 is with everything. Even drives so smooth that I get a perfect driving score on my insurance app when it monitors how I drive. When the YouTubers had it you could never know if they were overhyping it, but when I finally got mine on Christmas Eve it definitely was not exaggerated from what I can tell so far. I’ve only had one disengagement in 500 miles, it made a left turn a little too close for my comfort while at night and it was raining. And have not had any issues with it slamming the brakes on rural nighttime driving anymore, which is great.
Maybe offer them something they need more, like free supercharging
Yup. It's when FSD gets upset and says "Autopilot disabled for remainder of trip" because you weren't paying attention to the road or were using your phone while in FSD.
Yup
Ahhh! What’s the “forgiven” part of it then? Does something happen normally if you accrue too many strikes within a certain period? Or is it just within that driving session? Ie it’ll let you reenable without needing to stop/start?
They gave free supercharging in Israel which is tiny compared to California.
Bizarre way to show there are legitimate circumstances where their stupid strike system is an impediment and not an asset.
> Maybe just drive the car yourself in a disaster area? No it’s a fun car to drive, let me pay thousands extra to not drive it poorly.
Ends the option to use FSD until the car is placed in park. And then can also kick you out completely for what used to be a week. Unsure if it’s changed.
They should be giving discounted supercharging or free supercharging credit to get out of affected areas.
Need to see if I’m on v13 yet as I refuse to use FSD in traffic for this reason. The jarring start and stops are terrifying
You’re completely correct lol Kinda defeats the smooth 1 gear instant torque thing going on
That would be more useful I would have thought.
It's not like they're having to evacuate hours away though.....
> it is a serious problem for people who aren't their car's only driver No, it's not. Because if someone gets 5 strikes and just makes a new driver profile, then how does that have any impact? It's a dangerous driving situation if you get a strike - eyes off the road for way too long with FSD, or not having your hand on the wheel for too long with AP - *and ignoring the alerts*. If your ______ (insert person who shares your vehicle and sucks at driving) is such a bad driver they are getting multiple strikes, then *quit letting them drive your car!* If they can't manage to follow the simple rules of not getting a strike in a Tesla, then they shouldn't be driving. And if somehow they must still drive your vehicle, then disable AP/FSD.
A lot of people will be evacuating hours away yes. Most people will be going to friends or family or a hotel, hotels will be full quickly though.
If you watch youtube, its perfect and requires not intervention. If you listen to Elon it going to be driving itself in a few days ;) and its almost completely perfect. I paid for it in 2017 and and the nagging in my car makes me disable it. I can't wait until it stops with the nagging. I have yet to try a cheating device but i've thought about it.
Now no one can say Elon isn’t generous or compassionate!
I haven't tried V12, but V13 is very smooth for me. Not jarring at all.
Injured people who need help driving can do so again? Idk all I can think of.
Yeah they’re trying to capitalize on this news cycle in the dumbest way possible lol. Just offer free supercharging?
Folks, this is Elon trolling fire victims. He KNOWS that free charging would help, so that’s why he did this. It’s pure cruel mockery.
If they’re unable to control a vehicle they probably shouldn’t be driving with autopilot either
They've done this in the past. I bet they could do it for corridors but there's SO many Tesla's in LA I feel like the number of vultures using free supercharging would completely overwhelm the supply of chargers
Definitely true
Seems like we finally found someone dumber than the CEo of Tesla: some California Tesla owners
Offering free charging would cause others from neighboring cities to capitalize on the fire. Allowing possible injured people access to AI driving is logical and humane.
Alright, fine. Look at the average house prices of the areas affected. Why do these people need free charging?
Well if that’s your argument then I wouldn’t have even replied, lol. I agree there. It would be like having a clothing drive for them or something. They don’t need that type of help.
Alright that seems pretty valid. I always figured FSD would be useful for driving yourself to a hospital or something in an emergency.
Wouldn't that just clog them all up even worse? When they do it for hurricanes, that's in the south where there aren't lines all day already.
That’s basically exactly what they did. Nada. Nothing useful in any way other than being performative.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you able to simply cover cabin camera so that you stop getting strikes?
If I was struggling to control a vehicle because I was injured and my options were stay in place and die or try to drive myself away from danger with the assistance of autopilot I think I know which one I’d try.
Not being able to control the vehicle puts other people in danger.
Option 1- Die. Option 2- Try not to die using the tools you have available. I know which option every single person reading this would pick
I think that's been closed. Has 100% been closed if you have FSD. Cov3ring the camera will result in strikes long term
Your replies are pointless because the situation isn't even realistic. I suppose it could theoretically help, but it's wildly implausible.
Why do these people need no FSD strikes ?
Yes, if you get 5 strikes you get locked out of FSD for a week. One strike is forgiven each week.
Giving free supercharging doesn't in any way help evacuation, and it would encourage people to top off when they don't even need it
Quit trying to justify your $8k purchase on a situation that’s not going to happen
It's when the screen flashing and wanted you to tug the steering wheel to show that you are actually pay attention. If you don't respond after a while, you will hear a beep. After maybe 3 beeps that counts as a strike. After 3 strikes it lockes you out of autopilot/fsd until maybe couple weeks or next software update. I have driven tesla for over 6 years, had 0 strike. To me this is just beyond comprehension that someone can get so many strikes, you must have bad peripheral vision and extremely distracted while driving to not see or hear screen flashing and beeping.
They have the backend to know if your car is registered in cali lmao
I have been using FSD since the first wave of safety score Betas were released to the general public a few years ago. It has improved by leaps and bounds since then. It is also the main reason why I stuck with another Model 3 when I got a new car last year. I doubt I'll ever buy a car in the future unless it has some version of FSD, whether that is Tesla's or some other company's when they eventually get around to releasing their own version to the general public. Version 13 has been by far the best version thus far and has no joke driven me 95% of the time with zero interventions. The vast majority of the 5% has been me interceding due to navigation issues or me just wanting to drive myself just to drive. But twice (at the same intersection) I have had to intervene because FSD was trying to make an unprotected right turn with traffic approaching and at the very least the oncoming cars would have been pissed off at having to brake decently hard and worst case would have rear ended me if they had been looking at their phones or been distracted. And if you read other people's experiences with FSD, you'll see they're having issues in their area where it has done even worse with several people showing clips of the car trying to proceed on red. It is NOT perfect. It looks great on the Youtube vids because only a few people are recording those videos and there are limited situations they can encounter. Inevitably, when the software is released to the thousands (hundreds of thousands?), many more failure situations will appear because of the many many many more situations/intersections/traffic events the software will encounter (much like how many bugs in software don't become apparent until the general public gets a hold of it and do stuff that the smaller beta user base never tried). You need to be ready to take over at all times.
Why isn't Ford, Chevy, VW, Honda etc. offering free charging, why aren't you upset at them for not doing something for the residents? Hey EA, step up, offer free charging, Tesla is at least doing something
What does FSD strike removal actually DO in this situation? Honestly asking. Cause no one should trust FSD to help them escape wildfires.
Sitting in bumper to bumper traffic, tired, stressed and likely texting loved ones. FSD can have a second set of eyes on the road. The strikes removal gives it back to the people that do that though ... So incoming strikes almost immediately lol
Yes. But the nagging is a horrid user experience.
Can’t they offer free supercharging to people with certain zip codes in their billing address?
What genius is trying to use FSD during an emergency evacuation?
Genuinely curious as to how this is beneficial at this time. Most people escaping the fire are probably not thinking about FSD. Maybe free supercharging for those registered in the affected zip codes?
Have you learned nothing about humanity from the pandemic. That would just cause people from safe areas to flock for free charging. 40% of people suck dude, you have to account for that when doing anything.
What is an FSD strike?
California infrastructure can't support it.
If you misuse the system enough you lose the ability to use it for a week
I believe that is what they have done in the past.
I feel pretty confident people getting strikes are on their phones.
I didn’t even know we can get FSD strikes. How exactly do you get them? Sometimes I turn it off mid ride is that a strike able offense?
You get strikes from misusing the system. Every time you get an audible warning, it sounds towards earning a strike. Four audible warnings for not paying attention, and the 4th one gives you a strike, and disables the system for the remainder of the drive. When yoy get five strikes, you lose the system for a week
Gotcha. Thanks for the breakdown. Sounds like I haven’t gotten a strike then. Occasional I’ll disable it when I don’t like what it’s doing (biggest complaint is it likes to hug the side of the sidewalk as oppose to hugging the middle line) gets a little too close to cars for my liking. I’ll get a pop up every once in a while asking me to record why I disengaged so wasn’t sure if those beeps were strikes and I didn’t know it.
Disengaging it is a non issue, and expected. The problem is people who stare at their phones instead of the road while using it. If you've got your eyes on the road, and take over as needed, then you're using it properly
I don't mind it, and it's better than I am after a few hours of driving stop and go. Better to have the option than not.
I always feel like tesla does PR In the weirdest of ways to make money
And then people who actually need it can’t get it?
I pray that no super chargers have been lost to the fires.
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