Model Y Juniper Leaked photo from Shangai Production

[More pics here](https://x.com/teslanewswire/status/1849468642859061734?s=46&t=Mj3Wz0ulX1Eu1u4P8DTbQg)

If you zoom in on pixel 12, you can see the absence of turn stalks /s

Glad to see it is coming along

Chrome again?

Shame, looks like it will be a very tame refresh.

As expected. They gotta keep the costs down somehow.

just a reflection

Super useful. /s

I don't feel like the new Model Y is as different as the new Model 3 (with the old one)

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Pixelated like Japan

Basically what we saw on M3H but in Y format, the question mark is.. the front look? Based on M3H timing what we can expect? jan 2025? if the production is going they should start selling soon!

😂

Chrome is back on the menu boys!

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I thought that Juniper would probably use the Highland‘s headlight assembly, but the lights on this car look taller than the Highland‘s headlights, don’t they?

huh. and here i thought china made slightly better cameras than these nowadays.

We will see one of these leaks every week until the official release. Just to keep the buzz going.

Cool smoke detector on the roof

Taken with a Nokia -2000

Different headlights from Highland confirmed. Not that that's very surprising, given we already saw it would have different taillights.

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You were one of the people who thought the dress was white and gold, weren't you?

Why is everyone after leaks? Logic tells us it'll most likely be the same as highland 3 in terms of features with the look of the Y. Tesla uses similar parts so we know most likely what it'll look like.

I lol’d. I think it looks great. Just not sure about the color.

I hope they go back to adding turn stalks again. I really dislike that change.

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So Happy China gets everything first…

My wife has the new Model 3, and trust me - you really don't miss the turn stalks much. The auto-off for the signals is such a game changer that it becomes easier having mentally mapped the left and right button locations compared to traditional stalks where you accidentally go full on or accidentally hit up too far when disengaging and turn on the signals for the wrong way, etc. The drive stalk is the more annoying thing, but it's a minor pain point.

You are incorrect.

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We’ll get 8, 20 minute videos that say nothing.

Same as one pedal you get used to not having to brake and letting the battery brake itself with a good distance between you and the car in front of you.

It kind of looks like a split headlight setup, like the Cybertruck. Main headlights are low, and a lightbar / DRL is up higher.

The production optimizations (like mega casting) and vertical integration of battery module, pack, and vehicle manufacturing is part of why Tesla has 15% gross profit margin on its EVs and established automakers are mostly still losing money on EVs.

The new design is amazing! Wow

It’s a minor thing but honestly I feel the same and love that my 2020 MSLR still has turn stalks. Now if only it wasn’t considered a legacy car anymore and the hardware and software updates could keep up that would be a dream.

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I’m guessing it will look identical but with the new model 3 headlights/taillights Do we really need to hide it? The model 3 is almost identical, just the headlights and taillights give it away on the road.

It would be nice if the most American car company would release model refreshes in the USA first instead of always starting with China.

It seems to work for him, professionally speaking.

Anyone know if the HD Radar is in this one ?

They kept the chrome !?

I hope the new headlights are improved 😎

Hope the lightbar becomes standard.

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Some people apparently have convinced themselves that the 3/Y updates will basically leapfrog each other every couple years, as opposed to the Y just getting the obvious catch-up features of the model 3. Logically I think that would be a good approach but I have no reason to believe that's what they're doing if they don't have to.

Less of a leak, more like a blurry drip.

Zoom in on pixel X: 498 Y: 232 They added ventilated seats

Those issues with the turn stalks you experienced are because of the fact they're digital and don't click into place like most cars. The Model S prior to the Plaid refresh had typical stalks like in most cars. The Model 3/Y have digital ones that default to their original position no matter what you do including high beams on/off, windshield wipers setting, and indicators. I've driven both for a considerable amount of miles and appreciate both but the less digitally dependent one is just more reliable in daily usage. When you have to do multiple things to do something basic like changing the windshield wiper speed it adds unnecessary complexity for the user. A simple turn on the stalks becomes pressing a button multiple times or using 2 separate controls. It only takes a few moments extra but a few seconds are important when you're moving a 5,000 lbs vehicle at 60 mph. Besides those issues my gripe with the buttons only Tesla went with is the fact when you're doing hand over hand steering you can't as easily access the buttons alongside the fact they chose to use touch sensitive buttons instead of clicky buttons or even haptic feedback it's nothing aside from the audio the vehicle makes. I understand that a lot of driving is done on straight roads with only slight turns which gives you the ability to press most of the buttons most of the time but that's assuming you hold the steering wheel constantly at 9 and 3 o'clock but for me personally I prefer to hold it at 8 and 4 o'clock which wouldn't let me use the controls as quickly as I should be able to. Alongside that there are a lot of safety concerns with the reliability of the button presses as well. There are many accounts of individuals trying to use a button but the vehicle doesn't pick it up which is obviously unnecessarily dangerous on new vehicles.

This would be a good look

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Doesn’t seem longer for the 3rd row

Back when the Y first came out, his videos were super useful. There were a lot less people making videos on Tesla then. I'm glad he's found something that works for him since, although I don't personally watch him anymore.

I wonder if these are the ones that will go for the press videos and journalists, all under embargo.

Looks like a split headlight and DRL. The Model Y version is not going to be a carbon copy of the Model 3 like it was originally. I said that before and have had people tell my I’m crazy, well looks like I am more right.

Auto off on turn signals have been on cars since the 90s

Thank you for your take on the signals. I thought the signal buttons were a dumb idea, but I thought Face unlock instead of the finger unlock on the iPhone was dumb until I tried it 🙄 I wish more people would limit their comments to experience, like yourself, rather than unfounded opinions. 🙏

Yeah I think it'll go pretty global in January, to help with the generally slower car sales in the new year

This look like typical Chinese cars split headlights…hope we’re being fooled by the cover

Apparently not on Teslas 

I’m also one of these guys that would love to brag how much better the new model is (because I have one and have been driving it for 9 months now), but in this one aspect it’s clearly inferior. There are so many situations where stalks are an advantage. If you’ve got music on, and you’re changing lanes then turning, it’s not easy to know if pressing the button is turning the blinker on or off without looking at the screen, the stalk ALWAYS turns them on / off when you want. The haptic buttons can be hit and miss, and it’s a nightmare indicating in a roundabout or making a quick left/right turn. It’s also very hard to flash the lights and it’s common to instead hit the right blinker or miss the exact centre of the button. When I’m navigating the underground car park at work I’ve given up using the blinkers. With a stalk it’s just second nature to stick your finger out and trigger the indicator no matter the angle of the steering wheel If I really had to think of an advantage, it’s just the cleaner look, and it makes the car look more “futuristic”. That’s the only thing.

The Model 3 had almost no changes to the sheet metal, most changes were to plastic front and rear bumpers, lights, wheels, suspension, and interior. Basically all of those parts are covered on these Model Ys, so all you are seeing is the parts that look the same.

Yea he’s likely committed to posting a certain number from sponsors. I have 175k yt subs in a different niche and that’s how it works. Dudes paying the bills and it’s mildly entertaining. Just costs our time.

The cars they sell in the US are the most American, but by overall volume Tesla is a Chinese car company with an American HQ.

Yes but not with cameras. It disables the turn signal after you completed your lane change for example. In this situation you don’t turn the wheel enough to trigger the 90s auto-cancel.

Everyone is so focused on the exterior changes, but I think the improvements on the inside are much more important.

Damn those marker lamps are high asf

Man, these chaps are willing to lose their jobs.

Nope, it's always been on Teslas. We're talking about auto-off after changing lanes. No other car besides Tesla does that.

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No it hasn't. Not for changing lanes. That's unique to Tesla and comes from their vision system. They've always had the old auto-off after making a sharp turn that other cars also have. Not the same thing.

A lot of people have been saying that because the Model Y was pretty heavily based on the 3 originally to keep costs low, but they don't need that anymore. The Y production rate is so huge (1.2 million last year) that it can sustain its own unique supply chains and doesn't need to piggyback off the 3. I'm sure they will keep sharing plenty of components where they can, but it basically costs them nothing to differentiate it a bit more from the 3 now.

What about this is tame and what were you expecting?

They never sell things like that as an optional upgrade. The question is whether the car has a lightbar at all or not.

Someone rip the covers off 😪. I'm getting one next year no matter what

This is why the new model release won't Osborne the old model. They really don't have to worry this time.

My Rivian does that.

One word. Roundabouts.

Do we need a leak when we know it’s going to be a model 3 highland looking model Y? This is like the worst secret in automotive history

It's the same technology that makes UFO's blurry.

Each to their own and I think you’re wrong. Especially when the second bad decision was to put the light switch on the left side, same as the indicators.

No it doesn't: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/18w2mcs/auto_blinker_off_after_lane_change/

Living somewhere with a ton of roundabouts, I wouldn't buy a car without a turn signal I can comfortably use while turning. I don't think I will buy another Tesla if they remove them from all models. If they want to change things, here's a few thing I'd like instead: - Door handles I don't need to teach people to use, and slam with my fist during winter. - Basic rain sensor that works - More comfortable suspension

/serious/ when is this due to hit the market. Considering trading my MYP for the Highland, but if this is close I may wait.

Most cars have the short 3 blink turn signal when pushing half way.....which just works. The auto turn signal is nice under ideal conditions but they absolutely suck if you need to make immediate steering correction when traffic merges or moving multiple lanes so trying to cancel the turn signal sometimes doesn't work or starts blinking the wrong way....

Nope, auto turn signals on my Tesla work the vast majority of the time and are super convenient. Blinking the wrong way sounds like a stalk issue. I use buttons. It's better.

You clearly aren’t located in Europe, where round abouts are common.

As a refreshed Model X owner, I’d say it’s the opposite. Drive stalk isn’t missed at all, and honestly neither are turn stalks, but it really does become a pain when doing things like going through traffic circles/roundabouts.

Quite literally everything is recycled except for the front and back end. Same thing they did for the Model 3 to slim the production line.

was hoping futuristic looking like cybercab/truck

Quite literally everything is recycled except for the front and back end. Same thing they did for the Model 3 to slim the production line.

If only you read the first comment.

There are several aftermarket stalks you can add. S3XY brand looked good.

You saw the Model 3 refresh and expected that for Model Y? It will still be a Model Y, just with a completely overhauled interior and redesigned front and rear exterior styling.

I do think buttons are less effort and have grown to appreciate them but calling stalks a pain point would be a stretch

Refresh, not redesign. Tesla has never in its history done a full exterior redesign of any of its models.

The entire interior is new. And the front and back end make up a large part of the styling of the car's exterior.

Same here, used to be a fan, at some point there was just too much fluff and I gradually stopped watching and eventually went ahead an unsubscribed.

Thanks for writing all this out. Stalk delete is pretty much the only negative part of the Model 3 refresh. And it’s a much bigger deal than the people who just wave their hands and say “you’ll get used to it”. Stalks are really core to the driving experience and the button turn signals + touchscreen Gear selector are really bad replacements.

I did read it. He said you have to tap the stalk a second time. That's not the same thing as tapping it once and having the signal automatically cancel after completing a lane change.

Vast majority lol.... Normal driving you look first.... Activate half press on stalk ...and after 3 blinks it stops.. plenty of time to move over and no need to "auto turn off".... Auto turn signal...you look ....but just as you want to move other cars cut in and you can't move over...auto turn is still blinking....blinking....blinking....blinking....now you want cancel the auto turn signal because you can't move over but it just activates again...so you try the other button..now..it's just blinking the other way instead of cancelling....... Maybe it can be cancelled now but it's just stupid to let the car decide if you want the turn signal to be active or not....no matter of its buttons or stalks...

Did they go back to the Chrome edges?

Didn’t mention the interior because all we have to go on right now is the exterior. About 30% of that car is covered including front and back. 30% change after years of model Y updates.

There’s a HUGE difference between what you’re saying and what Tesla has. Trust me, auto off is worlds better than the 3 clicks auto off that other cars have. Spoken as an actual owner of a Tesla with auto off, I wouldn’t want to go back to a car without. It’s very handy.

You don't live in EU with 100 roundabouts per 5km. Do you!?

this is a joke right? the side looks like the current model y.

Huh? I don't activate the turn signal until the lane change path is clear. In rare instances where I think it's clear and then I activate the turn signal and see in the automatic blind spot camera that it's not clear, then I either wait until it's clear and complete the lane change, or I just press the button again and it cancels. It doesn't "activate again". It doesn't "blink the other direction". I hit the same button that I hit before, so it literally can't blink the other direction. Three blinks is worse because sometimes you need more than three to complete the lane change. Auto signals handle it for you the vast majority of the time. There's no rush, and it's super convenient.

It's a great change

There are stocks in aftermarket, no worries.

That "30%" is a majority of the exterior styling of the car. Front and rear are more important than sides. And we know from the Model 3 refresh that the interior is completely redesigned. Include that in your count, and it's much higher than "30%". I'd argue interior is even more important than exterior.

Tesla has one (big) factory in China, but 3 vehicle plants in the US and 1 in Germany. I’m pretty sure they build more cars in the US than in China, but definitely more outside of China than in China.

Is the auto on/off feature enhanced because of the lack of stalks, or could this feature have been easily implemented into a vehicle with stalks?

That's exactly what I mean....it wouldn't cancel sometimes....that's why I stopped using it. Using auto turn disables the 3 blink so you can't use that.... If you need more than 3 blinks you just activate again so you are still in control instead of the car deciding for you and that doesn't work everytime.....just as the lane departure warning going crazy sometimes just because you are moving 2 lanes over even with blinkers on.

You have the three blinks for that…it’s no need to overcomplicate things…

If it just worked as it was supposed to 😉

It's not overcomplicated. It's actually simpler. Just change lanes and it turns off for you. You don't have to worry about changing lanes quickly enough to be covered by the three blinks. Your blinker lasts exactly as long as your lane change does. It's fantastic.

Back to chrome trim lolllll

It already exists on vehicles with stalks. The reason no stalks is better is because a button you just move your thumb to press is easier than using a stalk. And it cleans up the interior further.

LoL Tesla has 3 blinks when you press the stalk halfway ...spoken as an actual owner and auto turn signal is completely unnecessary....on any car .....autopilot on the other hand I wouldn't want a car without that because of my weekly 200 mile highway commute...

It does. I use it and it's fantastic.

I've done 2x 1h test drives (and soon much more when mine gets delivered) and it took me like a whole 15 mins of driving to forget stalks were ever a thing. You adapt pretty fast to things like this. And here roundabouts are very common. I'm not saying that the buttons are better, at the very least I think they should've been on different sides of the wheel, as then roundabouts wouldnt even be a problem with the right turn signal being on the right. Stalks do at least some things better, but I hardly find this an issue. But I mean, everyone is free to find it an issue. A lot of people also have issues with non-manual transmission. or EVs in general, or the fact there are very little physical buttons in general. I would probably prefer the stalks given the option, but for me it's not a big enough deal that I'd think much about it. I probably have a bigger problem with the door handles both inside and out lol

There’s no chrome here

They probably wanted to start production in the plant that can actually make high quality things :D

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How long have you lived with a stalkless Tesla?

I've gone through roundabouts. The auto off works in them!

I had ChatGPT give me a script of his next video. It’s pretty spot on with the rambling.

Yeah the implementing drive or park or reverse is no worse than a traditional car with the selector on the trans tunnel. However, I still miss the stalks! My Rivian has them and I love that flick up and down selection thing with my fingertips. I'd take the turn signal buttons over its sensitive stalk anyday, however.

It's the \*lack of stalk which is a pain point.

Yep, though most luxury cars have digital ones. The Rivian stalks are basically identical to ones I had in a BMW, right down to the tension of the feeling. They are also very similar to the old Model 3 ones! FWIW - the reports of the buttons not working are from people deliberately spamming them with really fast repeated presses. I.e. They do not reflect real world, normal usage.

I live in a city with roads built by a mixture of cows and lunatics, and I have to make so many frequent turns on my commute. I would buy a 2024 Mach-E over Juniper for stalks, hands down. I have a 2024 Model Y I’m happy with though.

No, but we have roundabouts here in Austin, TX. I find it no different than normal turning, and the car's auto off signals work great in them.

No they haven't. You're thinking of the 3 blip feature. This is camera and context based + software driven.

Agreed. It blew my mind when I first used it. The 3 blip thing is only useful in a narrow range of circumstances, like if you have a completely open lane next to you. It's also hard to trigger properly with modern digital stalks without turning the blinker full on.

No it doesn't. I own an R1T. This is different. You're thinking of the 3 blink thing - just like almost every modern car has. You may also be thinking of the changing lanes while ADAS is on. That is also very different.

It's the high beam flashing thing. The headlights are auto.

I like the haptic buttons for turn signals but definitely not the fact that they removed the stalk for gear shift. I hope they bring that back.

Chevy Bolt/Nissan Leaf:)

I hope they aren’t bringing the chrome trim back….

Dint they fix the suspension with the newer as in 2023 Y and highlander? I know my 2022 Y has a shit suspension can i feel every bump and rock on the road.

Bro promised to show us all how he could fit not one, but two drum sets in his Y. He never delivered. As a drummer, I was disappointed. Still bought a Y though. But yeah, most of his videos could be summed up by reading a Tesla rumors site for 2 minutes, or a few minutes in this sub.

No one knows, but I think the consensus is mid to late 2025.

Meh

There's actually a sizeable aftermarket for Tesla suspensions. But yeah, the rain sensor is awful. Note that the latest Model 3 does not have fog lights or ultra-sonic sensors, just FYI.

They meant the stalks are in stock ^(/s)

Funny how no one complains about the lack of stalks on the Cybertruck — probably because it’s got steer by wire + variable ratio that make it painless to use button turn signals in any scenario. I wish Tesla would convert the whole fleet to SBW.

I've never driven a car in my life that didn't automatically turn off the signals. How is this a game changer? Not to mention I've never been able to go too far with my signal stock. It's all the way down or all the way up.

It's like waiting for porn to download in 97

Agreed! And resdesigend HVAC that doesn't get smelly.

I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

It looks like it has the light bar similar to cybertruck and they try to hide it with the hood cover.

Onvo L60 vibes

Why did they pixelate the pussy behind it? Is there an uncensored version?

I find the auto-shift along with the newer auto-shift from reverse to drive using brake+turn works well. I’d suggest maybe Tesla add back the turn stalk and replace the turn signal buttons with “D” and “R”? That actually brings back the utility of the turn signals, and makes shifting almost as easy or even better than traditional gear/stalk. Again, I’m not even complaining about either, but I do see why people might not like it or downright hate it.

I’m referring to the behavior when using Driver+ which is exactly what was being described in this thread as something only Teslas do. Rivian do, just not in all drive modes.

what were you expecting?

I'm starting to appreciate this plan to remove the stalks because it just means that my vehicle will have higher resale value. Useful when I move to whatever other brand.

My 2023 Y Performance is pretty rough still

Aside from the discounts and 0% apr, it’s the biggest reason why I’m getting a MY now

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Even if what you say is true why is it ok that critical safety features like turn signals and windshield wipers might not work when someone aggressively presses the button multiple times? That sounds like what someone would do in an emergency. Stalks are basically 100% reliable. Truly I have no idea why anyone defends this decision. It saves a trivial amount of money for Tesla, and has only serious negative effects for consumers. It's just stupid all around.

Prob had to use one of those mini spy cams. Phones are not allowed onsite.

OMG. I a canceling my current order and waiting for this. That fortnight boxy build look will be epic

They fixed it on model 3 highland (2024). The new 2025 Y (juniper) is supposed to get the highland upgrades and maybe a few other things.

# ENHANCE! 

Excited for this one

I think you're misunderstanding the issue. It's not at all about turning the indicator off, it's about turning it on. You're supposed to indicate to the right before leaving the roundabout, which you have to do while the steering wheel is upside down. In larger multilane roundabouts you also have to indicate when changing lanes, which again you have to do while the steering wheel is upside down. Every time you see a new Model 3/S/X, you just know that they simply won't use their indicators in the roundabout, which is extremely infuriating to say the least.

Looks like someone’s loosing their job

It reminds me on the inertia I had to over come when switching to a touchscreen only phone from a blackberry with a full qwerty keyboard. After a while your body remaps it and you don’t miss it

This can be fixed by separating the behavior of a half stalk pull vs a "full click" stalk pull. Half engagement: auto off after switching lanes. Full click: Keep on until manually turned off.

Headlights are clearly different to the Model 3 in this picture.

You know they are covered, right?

You blind bub

It’s not it’s a production module

It’s a bar… front and back

Dont understand the point of this post. Picture is all pixelated, doesn’t show the changes

The uncovered bits do not match the headlight design of the Model 3.

It’s all covered. Do you think the bottom light is going to be a rectangle?

A split headlight design with a top DRL lightbar and a lower, rectangular headlight housing is possible. Similar to the Cybertruck. The only other explanation is that there is a very tall headlight housing that extends to both exposed portions, which would still result in a very different design to the slender Highland headlights.

The whole front is covered https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/s/6F1yCaPxkC

What roundabouts are you going into where you are turning the wheel so hard you can't press the turn signal? I've heard people say this and I have no idea how you are turning the car that makes it hard to use the signals and in what roundabouts you can't just preemptively use your turn signal.

2025!

Do you have any issues of making a turn and then an immediate turn into a parking lot or another road? The steering wheel would be at some angle. How would you quickly find the turn buttons because it's usually a fast action with the stalk.

Yes. Steer by wire is amazing. Driving the truck for a while and then going back to 3/y feels terrible. If they had done steer by wire before the yoke it would have gone over much smoother.

Ahh I see it’s got the low res polygon design cues from the cybertruck.

If by some miracle it has steer by wire then the lack of stalks would be welcome.  I was in the same camp as you but with the CT it hasn’t been bad at all since you never invert the wheel! Now when I get in my model 3 it feels like going back in time!

Unknown change is scary.

Oh well the old M3 will with me for a few more years until they do.

Gotta say, using FSD most of the time, it doesn’t matter where the turn signal controls are located.

If the signal buttons were stationary rather than move with the wheel then I could care less about them. But the fact they rotate with the wheel presents a hazard especially when making wider turns at low speeds

>preemptively Multi-lane, on enter and exit

You meant “Losing.” The word “lose” is never spelled with two o’s in any form. Lose, losing, loses, lost. NEVER “loose”. It’s THE most commonly misspelled four letter word on the internet, and I’m so sick of seeing it.

Model Cy

Ahh sweet! Its confirmed the model Y has doors Edit: /s... this was a joke on the blurring out of the rest the picture

Crazy

My highland is smooth even on these crazy OK roads. Highway driving is smooth as butter and silent inside.

I guess the rumors about the front light bar are right. Looks like there's a light bar and the headlights underneath it like on cybertruck.

old heads love talking about bring the stalks back lmao

I love the angular look

Looks like it was from Minecraft production instead

Multi lane, mini roundabouts, double roundabouts, the magic roundabout in Swindon UK (~5 roundabouts orbiting a central one). There’s a lot of scenarios where you’d need to indicate a different way while negotiating a roundabout and turning the wheel significantly that the buttons are awkwardly placed. I’m sure you could get used to it but it’s complication for the sake of it when stalks work so well. Maybe it’s different in the US where intersections are far more popular than roundabouts.

Getting rid of stalks is fine. They just need to add steer by wire at the same time.

I just purchased a set of stalks for my 23 MSP and installed them myself. Was quite easy.

I can’t stand the turn stalks, if they are not removed, I’m just gonna buy a 2025 M3LR. And dear Lord, I hope they are not using those same rims

I prefer no stalks, so like their steering wheels they should offer both options depending on preference

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I found that I keep my left hand quite planted when possible when I expect to make turns like this while still signaling. Ive sen people also put some tactile Mark, like a sticker or so on the right signal to find it without looking but I probably won't. But I do also have times when my hands and stalks dont always line up well with turns like this either, but definitely The stalk is always easier to find on general

Yeah. I am much less annoyed by the gear selector missing than the turn signal stalk. I select gear a few times per ride but the turn signal is used countless times.

Counted only 4 pixels…

How the hell nobody mentions the chrome lines? I really hope they are not coming back

Sure, but sometimes brake pedal is needed, so it's not a good idea to remove it or replace it with some camera-based automated thing. I wouldn't care if there were touch buttons for turn signals on the wheel, I might even use them sometimes, but that doesn't mean removing physical controls to operate the signals independent of the wheel orientation is a sane idea. As long as there is a person driving, the operation of the car should be optimized for them. Tesla has had some genuinely good ideas, and the cars aren't bad, but they've got too much stubborn pride to roll back any of the bad ideas they've had, and that makes their vehicles a lot worse than they could be. Makes me wish Tesla had a leadership change that recognized the strengths they've got, but genuinely cared about just making a very good car, and wasn't afraid to say they've made mistakes, and started, reintroducing things like sensors and adding physical controls that are safe and easy to use without looking. There's similarities to Apple's brand of stubborn pride, but even those guys sometimes manage to admit their ideas were bad, and revert back to what works (like rolling back the dumb touch bar as a replacement for the top row of keys on MBP)

Its not Shanghai picture. They are spy pictures from Spain, with some photoshop to hide somethings. Here the originals: [https://forococheselectricos.com/2024/10/pillamos-nuevo-tesla-model-y.html](https://forococheselectricos.com/2024/10/pillamos-nuevo-tesla-model-y.html)

Chrome trim? It doesn’t look correct to me given all other ones have a black trim.

Agree. I've owned a refreshed Tesla Model 3 for a year, and I've gotten so used to using the buttons that I now prefer them over turn stalks and can't imagine going back.

Shame on people taking these shots

Not a Shanghai picture. Its a test vehicle seen on the spanish roads with some photoshop to hide the background.

This.

…why are you slamming handles in winter?  You can pop the door with the app…

Brother most of those roundabouts don't require you to turn your wheel that extreme, or they require you to signal before you enter them. We have tight single car roundabouts in neighborhoods in canada and even then you signal before you enter. The only time I ever have my steering wheel in Y on the most responsive setting, ever need to be turned more than 45\* is when taking a tight 90\* corner, navigating a drive-thru, or making a U-turn or in the "mini" roundabouts but you signal before hand. There are larger roundabouts near some of the universities near me, I still don't see my wheel being so extremely turned that I couldn't press the button. I honestly think with muscle memory it's not an issue, especially since they are more tactile now.

I can already tell that I'll love the headlight design

Why? It would increase costs and Tesla is making record profits. They know what they are doing.

Very well said and the removal of the stalks is the one thing preventing me from wanting to get another Tesla down the road. It's too bad because the new 3 seems to be the best EV sedan out there now.

If you buy FSD it does the turn signal for you. huge S/ here. Have a great weekend.

Was it? I watched a tutorial and the guy removed the entire paneling behind the wheel. Issue is the resulting squeaks afterwards

Please for the love of god don’t remove stalks :(

Designed in Japan.

Yeah. I hate squeeks too.

Tesla should offer the stalks as an option when purchasing their vehicle.

I think the idea is less parts not more as they move to a full self-driving situation. You don't need a turn stalk when the car is going to turn on the turn signal for you.

Mine was done on a Model S which does look a lot easier. I did see the panel needed to be removed on the 3. But yeah, very satisfied with the results.

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I mostly agree here. The only reason why I don't fully agree is because I keep changing the song in my wife's car when trying to signal LOL

Needs a camera on the front bumper. How i wish my '24 MYP had that.

Thought we were Gus alt getting an official Lego model.

Was this leaked via MS Paint?

Aaand I've turned on indicators in the roundabout. It's not that hard once you mentally map it, but a lot of that depends on your spatial abilities and predispositions.

Driven stalkless and with the yolk for 2 years, I got use to it and it becomes natural. You were forced to do certain thing before and get use to it, why not this?

Do you have the signal buttons?

The problem is trying to indicate to leave a roundabout when the steering wheel is upside down. It’s not impossible but it’s bloody annoying.

Looking for my next EV replacing a Performance X end of a 4-year lease. Lots of advertising on the Renault Scenic, so had a test drive. I just sat there incredulous at five stalks, plus a stop-start button and a sixth button off the steering wheel to change the screen. All the batteries in the front, truly terrifying torque steer with only 200bhp. It was a true dog of a car, yet it is European car of the year! Can never trust that as a benchmark again, it must be corrupt. With no RHD MX it will have to be a Polstar 3.

MY LR has great suspension

LR is great though

Minecraft Jupiter?

I think we all are just expecting the same changes as the model 3 and that’s exactly what it’s gonna be. Maybe a light bar for the tail light.

Where is shangai lol 😂

Same!! It insane how much I see people complain about it. Lol

I can't wait to see the new front end I hope it's as sleek as the Model 3 highland

I sure hope it has powershare.

We don't need stalks!!! It's better without them 😂!! The real question is do you guys think there's a lightbar under there? Or are they saving that for robotaxi

I could be crazy but when you zoom in really close to the headlights, it looks super straight!??, different than the thin headlights on refresh model 3 with that little curve in it! I think it may be a solid bar headlight like cybertruck!! Look at the front of the camo cloth 🤔 looks like it covered the whole front and secures all on one Velcro along the hood, why would they design it like that if it wasn't hiding a bar 🤔🤔🤔

This image is like Japanese porn!

This has the same definition as the scrambeled adult channel we’d tried to watch on cable tv when we’re 14…

What would be the release date, waiting to buy model Y

I am so ready to buy the MX, but I am holding out for the bumper cam. The car is a want not a need for me. The days are going by slowly.

i love how they hide something that is so boring looking haha

Tesla needs to completely redesign the Model 3 & Y. That’s what I’m waiting for.

You must have different rules there then. If you have a roundabout in a simple crossroad, i.e. with four exits, and want to take the second or third (going straight or left unless in UK :), how do you signal before? If you signal before, wouldn’t that show intent to exit at the first road? In a small roundabout, singlelane perhaps residential or small country road, I definitely end up with very large wheel movement. And specifically end up turning the wheel very fast almost a full turn from left to right just at the time when I signal exit. If going straight, you’d first turn hard right into the roundabout, then hard left inside it, then apply signal and turn hard right to exit - al within ~2 seconds (2 sec would be 180 deg. at 9m, 30ft radius at 30mph, 50kmh)

Is suspension an actual complaint? I previously had a 2017 Citroen C3 and the suspension was already considered very reasonable, I now have a 2019 model 3 standard range plus and the suspension is way better than the Citroen, I suppose it can always be better but I wouldn't list it under my complaints.

That is your opinion…..A majority of the people commenting who actually HAVE button blinkers like them. Do you have a stalkless car? Or are you just telling others how you FEEL about stalks and buttons without living with button blinkers?

> That is your opinion….. Yea of course it is. Is this your first day on reddit? People write down their opinions.

But you don't have a basis to write an informed opinion. Tell your therapist how you feel about things. A majority of us are hear to learn something. Not to know how you feel. Stay in your lane.

> A majority of us are hear to learn something. Sure.

This gets fog lights but 3 doesn’t?

Enhance!

Looks too high to be fog lights.

It's kind of a function of the performance model. You need a stiffer suspension to prevent body roll.

Wow they even took the pic with a Model Y camera!

Here’s a new owner of a model y LR RWD from Berlin and suspension is awesome (at least in comfort mode). I thought it would be worse because of the thing I read last year

I was surprised how my 2022 MYLR handled vs my previous 2020 M3SR+. I figure the M3 is just a race car, so fun to drive even though the 0-60 was 5.3s and the MYLR is 4.2s. It was so noticeable in hat for the first weekend I was considering going back to a M3 (possibly even back to a 2020 with FSD for cheaper). I’ve just kind of accepted the m3 is a sports car and the Y isn’t. And the m3 is really fun to drive. I so suspect it could be the tires, the mY is on continentals now and my m3 felt great on the stock Michelin pilot 4’s. When it comes time to change tires I’m absolutely going to go to the Michelin Pilot 4s. I say this because is strayed from my Michelins in the model 3 and it was not as nice to drive until I put got Michelins to put back on. Anyone else have a similar experience? Oh wait the reason I’m commenting here… I remember when the model y was being developed and introduced. I worked on the crash test team there and one reason the my was able to debut so fast was the similarities to the model 3. That said, it’s possible that the juniper refresh could change the handling of the model y to make it feel more Porsche-like (or model3-like). That’s just speculation, but it would be an improvement. And also I have yet to try different tires on the thing, so that could be what I’m feeling.

How did you find the car so far? I’m about the order one from Berlin factory. Is the range good?

520km ranged by the car. Here in. Europe they announce 600 wltp. But this cycle is not realistic . 8 degrees in the street