Tesla Model Y Poised to Become Best-Selling Vehicle in the US

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From the article: Tesla cars have never been more popular, and one of them is on the verge of dethroning a long-standing leader. The Tesla Model Y is set to leapfrog the most popular internal combustion engine (ICE) cars to become the best-selling car in the US, according to data reported by WolfStreet. After becoming the best-selling car globally last year, the Tesla Model Y is gunning for the top spot on its home turf, the US auto market, where it will dislodge the most sought-after fossil fuel-powered vehicles. WolfStreet reveals the EV is already breathing down the neck of the Toyota RAV4 as they ended the first half of 2024 with a 2.8% market share share. The Tesla Model Y has already overtaken the popular Ford F-150 trucks, with both ICE and EV versions accounted for. The Chevrolet Silverado 1500 grabbed 2.5% of the market, occupying the 5th position behind the Honda CR-V, which also had 2.5%. EVs enjoyed a bump to 9.0% in the second quarter, up from 8.1% in the same period last year, as they continue to steal market share from their fossil-fuel-powered counterparts. The figures from Wolfstreet were extrapolated from new vehicle registration data in the US, and they show that 2024 might be the first year the Tesla Model Y will top the sales chart on its home turf.

This is going to make so many people butthurt Since the Model Y became the best selling car in the world I can’t even count how many people with poor reading comprehension linked articles to US car sales saying “no it’s not”

I own a model 3, but call me skeptical the model Y will outsell the F150 in 2024.

Love my Y, no surpise here

Meanwhile, 90% of the articles posted on Reddit are declaring Tesla’s imminent doom. 

Don’t worry they’ll just link to old articles now about it being 3rd, and when you post it being first they’ll ignore it and go drink a bud light in the garage.

We didn’t even get the Model Y refresh yet, I think the Juniper Y will be a force to be reckoned with.

What’s really crazy is that it’s not the 3, which is a better car.

3 is definitely the better car for individuals but if you have any kind of family trips it seems crowded plus y is cheaper to own overall when you add insurance rates as 3 for some insurance companies is treated as a sports car while y is a family car. The lowest quote i got in Ontario for 3 was 460$ and the y rwd was 130, Lr which i have was 215 and performance at 300 per month

Ya they would need to sell 188k more model Ys in Q4 than F150. I believe just selling 188k would be a record for the Y, let alone 188k more than F150. Still can’t deny the race is getting closer.

It’s not already?

We have both, I prefer driving the 3 if it's me and no cargo. If we're camping, kite surfing, snowboarding, or paddleboarding, or have more than two people, taking the Y everytime.

Crossovers are king in the US. They have more demand than sedans despite what the model 3 offers.

That is a wild difference in insurance rates, wow!

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I don’t get it. Can you fit a snowboard in the back of a Y without folding the seat down? If you have to fold the seat, how is it better than the 3 for that purpose?

One of the reasons why y is so popular, overall cheaper than 3 even with the higher price in the long term

A lot of places count the entire F series as one vehicle. So F-150, F-250, F,350 all count towards the same sales count even tho they are different vehicles. If you only count the F-150, the model Y is closer in sales.

it was already the best selling vehicle in the world in 2023

Lmaooo and everyone is touting about teslas not selling and everyone giving up their teslas because of Elon. Service centers are booked morning to evening with deliveries every single day. And this is all before the refresh. Plenty of people are holding out upgrading or buying because juniper is around the corner.

And this is all done without advertising and with daily hardcore anti-Musk and Tesla fud from the media!

Uh, excuse me, I know this is false because Reddit has very clearly stated that “Elon = bad” and no one is buying Teslas now. So, nice try with your “facts” and “numbers”. I will believe Reddit vibes over that trash. ^(/s)

I was surprised to learn it wasn’t already.

It's the best car you can buy today. Model 3 is close but I like the space.

Have both as well-the 3 just doesn't have the space. Snowboarding for example, it's not just you and a board(s). You have gear; boots, jacket, pants, backpack, snacks, food, ice chest...etc. It just doesn't fit comfortably. I'm 6'1 and use the full extension of the seat. If I have more than 1 person I'm carpooling with I don't want anyone behind me. There are multiple reasons to take a Y over a 3 on any kind of excursion, ESPECIALLY if there are more than 2 people.

And the Chevy Silverado 1500 + GMC Sierra 1500 sells more than the Ford F-150. The Chevy and GMC are just rebadged from one another.

It's going to be really hard to not buy the Juniper. I'm personally waiting for it. Fingers crossed for it to have adjustable suspension. Basically a Tesla Crosstrek would be super sick.

My new Model Y has been such a struggle to enjoy. Took delivery in August, already had a service appointment for rear hatch rattle. Kinda fixed but not really. Another rattle in the rear seats appeared last week. It's metallic and annoying. And another louder rattle just yesterday in the driver side area, can't tell if it's in the door or maybe in the wheel well area. I'm so tired, I just want to enjoy the car already. Hopefully my next service appointment fixes these because they're really sucking the joy out of owning my first EV.

Hatchback's are very convenient to get large things in and out without dinging your car.

Model 3 is a better car, Model Y is more practical. Model Y driving experience is worse when compared to a Model 3.

I chuckle every time I come across a /r/technology post that seems to promote some anti Tesla story to the top of the sub each day.

Worldwide, but not the US specifically. It is already in the top 5 in the US.

Make sense once you drive a Tesla you really don’t want to go back to an ICE car. Tesla’s supercharger network solves a huge pain point. Really just a matter of public perception at this point.

And it’s always “I’m not buying another Tesla until he leaves. I regret buying my Y” … okay so sell it then? - they never do

They've been advertising for a while, and I don't just mean direct email and texts to existing owners.

The best car would still have ultrasonic parking sensors.

And shoot themselves in their own foot while polishing their guns :p

> and when you post it being first they’ll ignore it and go drink a bud light in the garage. Probably the most accurate description of the kind of people who will be offended (and therefore choose to ignore) this type of news. Can’t wait for the Model Y to get the number 1 spot. About time too, trucks have become the cars “your parents drive” and therefore have officially passed their prime.

> Basically a Tesla Crosstrek would be super sick. That would be a dream come true.

The advertising budget must be very very low then because I've never seen an ad from Tesla.

Even with all the K-hole, culture-war bullshit that comes out of Musk’s mouth, I still plan on buying a Tesla. People overestimate how much people care about the things that come out of the CEO’s mouth, when it’s the product that counts.

Makes sense, it's a brilliant car. If only the CEO wasn't such a ... person... I'm sure it would do even better.

Deserving.

I don't have ad-block on my "smart" TV, I see their ads all the time.

Dont you dare post this to r/electricvehicles. God forbid you say anything positive about Tesla on that sub

Kinda similar to you, I bought a used model 3 recently and there's a rattle in the drivers side dash that keeps coming back and I already tried stuffing foam up there like others have. Service wants 200 bucks to even try to fix it, so make sure you annoy them as much as possible while it's new, seems like service centers start charging you after a while depending on location. It's ridiculous how 40k plus cars have rattles that my old shitboxes never had.

Elon being bad and Tesla sales being good are not mutually exclusive.

Oh I definitely can fit snowboards in the 3, I did it a ton before we got the Y, it's just so much easier in the Y, plus I can fit 4 people and four sets of gear in there and have the option of using the pass-through.

Makes sense. I’m ordering one soon. Price after credit is too good for a new car when the used car market is all out of wack

I unsubbed which is unfortunate because I still want EV news. That community is awful. I get recommended anti-Tesla posts there and can see the amount of commenters who take the opportunity to rage about Tesla.

The best way to combat FUD and Elon’s political posts is just continue to make amazing products, which Tesla, SpaceX, and all of his companies are doing.

I completely understand why trucks exist and their use cases. The reality though is probably 75%+ of people who own a pickup truck have never hauled anything more than a case of beer and an old mattress. For the few times a year you need something like a pickup just rent one from Home Depot. Save yourself on gas the rest of the year - plus driving a smaller vehicle is so much more convenient when you’re parking and moving about a city.

How many Tesla cars were sold compared to brands like Ford and Toyota in the US over the last year?

I’ve noticed a lot of the most active Tesla haters in r/electricvehicles are Bolt owners. Make of that what you will. Rivian owners seem to be some of the least active Tesla haters… even though some don’t like Tesla or Musk, they often admit that Tesla does some things well, and they don’t usually devote half of their online life to trash talking Tesla and Tesla owners like Bolt owners often do. I’m kind of scared to park near Bolts since noticing this trend… I feel like they’re the type that will key your car just because it’s a Tesla.

Definitely get the same feeling from bolt owners

Sorry to hear that. It’s definitely still an area Tesla needs to work on. I had a couple rattles when I first got my car too, but once I got them fixed, I haven’t had any issues since. Part of me wants to buy something with better build quality for my next EV, but Tesla does so much other stuff right that I feel a lot of other EVs would be a downgrade in other areas, and I would probably be disappointed in other aspects of them.

Roughly 1/3rd last year (670k vs 1.88M)

I own a Model Y myself but this article doesn’t sound right at all? It says it’s already leapfrogged the F-150 and is right behind the RAV4 but that makes no sense since the F-150 outsells the RAV4 by a large margin. Last year ford sold 140000 more F-150s than Toyota sold RAV4s and sales of the F-150 have been pretty good this year. To outsell the F-150 you’d need the Model Y to sell something like 600000 units in the US. So far they’ve sold around 100K per quarter so that’s 200000 Model Y’s between Q1 and Q2. They’d need to literally double sales for Q3 and Q4 to outsell the F-150 which seems pretty unlikely.

Yes, but people claim the sales are bad because of Elon being bad

Do you really think that many people are even following news about car model rumours to know what a “Juniper” is?

EVs have breached the tipping point for sure. It won’t be too long now before ice is special use case only.

It’s closer but still very unlikely to outsell it because Tesla sold about 100k per quarter so far. But to outsell the F150 they’d need ~600K total so that means both Q3 and Q4 would have to come in at double Q2 sales. More likely that Tesla can dethrone the RAV4 if they push hard. But to beat the F-150 they’d need to ramp their trucks like crazy. Meaning probably ramp the current cybertruck and also offer a more traditional looking and cheaper truck.

Yeah yeah yeah

True. And this applies to the Cybertruck as well.

9.0% of all car sales were EVs? This is a bit higher than I thought. Maybe the EV revolution is accelerating despite all the big oil propaganda after all.

Toyotas and Hondas aren't the bargain that they used to be, and their EVs have been quite lackluster either way. Take the Honda E, for example. Seems like a great car, then you find out that it's rated for only 137 miles of range. But they still want to open the negotiations at $40,000. When you can skip *all* negotiations and buy a Tesla for around the same price with about twice the range, and do it as easily as buying an air fryer on Amazon. No wonder they stopped making the Honda E last year. Bargains of any kind are thin on the ground these days. So if you have to buy a car, you have to look at other sources of savings. And it's amazing how much less you spend on maintenance if you replace the combustion engine with an electric motor. This also gets rid of the transmission. And the exhaust system. And the fuel tank and fuel lines. The whole platform is mechanically simplified. Fewer points of mechanical failure. My only maintenance is to put air in the tires and fluid in the windshield wiper tank. And I can charge my car at work for free. There's also the intangible of never having to stop at a sketchy gas station on the wrong side of town, in the middle of the night.

Well, I'd limit it to Tesla and SpaceX, and maybe Neuralink. The other ones are questionable at best, and we definitely don't talk about "X".

Apparently not just US, since Model Y was the world's best-selling car last year.

I’m trying to sell my f150 to get a model y 😂

It’s such a good car too. My MYP was the best daily I’ve ever had. Cyberbeast is fun, but whipping the MYP around is just a different experience.

Agreed. I had no idea and happy to read it!

The Model 3/Y is like a Corolla now. Change my mind.

Counterpoint: criticism of Tesla isn’t always the best received here.

The problem is Elon. A lot of us love Tesla but can’t stand that loser. If he just keeps his mouth shut it would be fine. It’s pretty crazy that the CEO of a BEV company keeps attacking.. checks notes.. people who are most likely to buy BEVs

So what you are saying is he should adjust his views based on what will give more sales? You want him to be fake and biased or did I miss something?

Frunk and sub trunk are bigger too

I mean I have ultrasonics and they aren’t very accurate when parking in my garage so yeah... Not missing much over the advanced vision park assist

These people cant even point to what he says wrong, its all «he is against the narrative therefore tesla must be bad»

Generally yes that is what people want of a CEO and key shareholder of a publicly traded company with fiduciary responsibility.

Doesnt his companies results over time counter this argument? I dont get this logic

In fairness, it would be nice if an article like this was publish on a more popular generic car news website rather than "driveteslacanada.ca"

Not that hard when new vehicle registration for passenger vehicles down more than 50% annually in the last decade. Few vehicles to compete with for share because people keep their cars longer. That said Tesla was down 9.3% last month and is in its sixth month of YoY declines as a brand. It also seems while the Model Y is in the top 10 best selling it’s one of three that are declining YTD vs YTD while the rest are still rising. Edit: I was wondering why none of the numbers match anything on sales reported elsewhere. Turns out this data uses new and used vehicles.

To support your counterpoint, it's good we have cheerleaders championing other brands. We need other automakers to stay in the EV game.

Pedophiles?

To be clear I’m a Tesla shareholder and think Musk is an incredible engineer leader, it’s just difficult to deny that constantly publicly expressing extremely divisive viewpoints is not good for the EV business

Exactly, be boring and STFU

It is the same with VW, Apple…

Well it is false, but not for that reason. More for the reason that it won’t come close to outselling the F series trucks. https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/top-10-25-best-selling-cars-trucks-suvs/

Hey. I take my guns to the gun range in my MYLR. My hunting rifles fit easily with the seats lowered.

I had a metallic type rattle in the back seat of my Model 3 once and it was the latch that holds the seat down over the battery management system. It wasn’t pushed down all the way. If it has been serviced lately try pushing down on the seat and listen for a click.

Fully agree

Hands down the best part of the buying experience was not haggling with someone.

He didn't used to spout off about controversial political stuff all the time. It's [mostly](https://theweek.com/elon-musk/1022182/elon-musks-most-controversial-moments) been in the last two or three years. Coincidentally, it's been three years since TSLA's all time high.

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He wasn’t always like this and has changed his views. Pre 2020, he was pushing Tesla, SpaceX, Solar, Boring, Starlink etc. Since 2021, he’s gradually gone far right and constantly mocks his potential base. He hasn’t started or pushed forward any green initiatives. Instead he bought Twitter and uses it to push his right wing views, encourages violent riots, silences views that don’t match his, and posts shit memes. Tesla has a lost a LOT of market share since he turned on his base. Yes he was always a weird and terrible person but at least he was quiet about it and was actually doing some good stuff.

Good thing I didn't claim that then!

Lol the post yesterday on /r/wsb was so stupid.

> everyone giving up their teslas because of Elon For every butthurt liberal leaving Tesla is a conservative now willing to buy one. No one gives a shit. Get off Reddit, most people do not give a F.

I just checked Car and Driver for 2024 so far. #1 Ford F150 with 350k sold. #2 Chevy Silverado with 275k sold. #3 Toyota Rav4 with 250k sold. #4 is Tesla Model Y with 202k sold. It's a long way off but gaining quickly. The one I'd be worried about if I was following these things closely is the Hyundai Ioniq5, which looks great and is a direct competitor to model y.

> I know this is false because Reddit has very clearly stated that “Elon = bad” and no one is buying Teslas now How could I have so badly misread that.

They are growing despite his views, yes. Company sales and EV adoption in general would be a bit further along if he would post less on X, at no cost to him.

This 100%. Bolt owners seem particularly aggressive towards Tesla owners - especially on the freeway

Isn't the ioniq5 a throw away car given the 60k battery replacement cost? I don't understand why people would buy it, short-sighted. Things going to depreciate like warm milk.

He's not an engineer.

Of course a car that offers this much space, range and performance for the price of a Corolla can s going to be a best seller

In Canada it is crazy the amount of EVs from all makes and models I see on the road these days. Definitely an uptick.

Yeah a Tesla Taco would be insane

He was a software engineer who founded the PayPal and also admitted to Stanford PhD in physics but later dropped out to create his start up.

AI Overview Learn more … Elon Musk doesn't have an engineering degree, but he has a physics degree from the University of Pennsylvania and played a lead role in the engineering of Tesla and SpaceX products: Education Musk attended the University of Pretoria in South Africa before moving to Canada at age 18, where he attended Queen's University in Kingston. He then transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where he earned bachelor's degrees in economics and physics.

If they made a slightly off-roady trim of the Y, they would print money

Sorry bud... I like the teslas a lot. These other guys are catching up quick. There's no denying it. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/hyundai-ioniq-6-wins-2023-world-car-of-the-year-award/

That doesn't address the battery replacement cost issue. Hopefully they've come to their senses by the time they start needing new batteries.

Better suspension and 360 degree view and I will never need another car.

That's great and all, and i'm not here to defend the kind of pickup drivers you're describing but... you should realize that for all the reasons you just gave not to own a pickup, all those pickup owners could give you a nulber of equally good reasons why they prefer owning a pickup than a small sedan. Not saying they're right. But i'm sure they have their reasons.

Only service was the rear hatch noise that has turned into a sharp buzz over bumps now, but the rear seat noise is coming from [where the red circle is](https://i.imgur.com/pczYybt.jpeg). It stops when I recline the rear seats, this isn't my video [but this person has the same exact issue](https://youtu.be/vlbsErIGuow?si=8q5cy52nkFkRcytC). So right now I have 3 rattles I'm hoping they can take care of. The most annoying one from either the driver door or near it stopped, but there definitely is something loose and I'll need them to look at that. Glad I recorded the audio on my phone because I know they'll push back on a fix if they can't hear it on the test drive. I hope these get addressed, I'll be so happy with the car if they fix them.

Modern EV battery packs will all outlive the vehicles they're in, according to a very recently published [study](https://thedriven.io/2024/09/19/new-study-finds-vast-majority-of-ev-batteries-will-outlast-the-vehicle/).

Yes but it's worth noting that if the Tesla board and CEO left the company, sales of Model Ys would be higher than they are. It's hard to quantify exactly how much higher. Market data indicates the terrible behavior of the current leadership is suppressing sales, despite the Model Y being a very good and popular vehicle.

counter-counterpoint: the criticism isn't always deserved

People like you sound so insanely crazy to me. I see all the same things you do and i could never come to the conculsion you have. You sound like a scooby-doo villain haha. "Everything would've worked out if only that damn Elon guy would have just kept his mouth shut!!" I think you're just too biased/attached to your political party though, which is also weird to me because the party is supposed to belong to the people (not the other way around).

It's not good for any business. Tesla's are off my list of potential next vehicles simply because of musk. To be fair if you offered me a new Model Y for $20 000 I'm sure I'd eat my convictions and buy it but as it stands with him at the helm I'd not giving him a fucking penny.

No, it's worse than that because he would be okay with Elon being political if only the political views espoused aligned with his own. What he wants is for Elon to either spew the political opinions of his party (probably the Left) or not be political at all. Anything but supporting Republicans basically.

Fair. But then counter-counter-countpoint: You have people going out of their way to defend clearly deserved critiques - like how bad the new climate UX is.

That is generally what the people who are actually invested in his companies agree on, yes. Most of his critics aren't also investors in his company - they're just political activists LARPing as concerned investors.

He does engineering and he understand what he does. You can do plumbing without having graduated from the Mario academy of pipes.

And the Democratic party wasn't always to overtly and obviously hostile to him and his companies, only in the last \~4-6 years has it been so.

Weird. People told me the exact same thing 5 years ago and 10 years ago in regards to the "competition". And they still look just as far behind. The Bolt came out around the same time as the Model 3 and had better specs. The competition seems further behind than it was back then.

Oh, people can definitely point to what he says that's wrong. Most of what he says is wrong. His twitter is a sewer that flows with hate, lies, and disinformation. I'm amazed people use twitter. I know it's free. But for a few bucks a month you could purchase access to real professional journalism where there are fact checkers and professional editors. That assumes you seek truth. My personal theory is that people who use social media have absolutely zero interest in truth... they're just addicted to the jolt of dopamine they get from these platforms. They're not actually curious about how the world really is; they just want to feel something. Reality (and professional journalism) is admittedly rather boring in comparison.

It's funny what happens when you stop looking at the propaganda. Norway is a good example. Almost every single one of their new vehicles sold is EV now, and they live in the most EV-unfriendly environment of practically any modern country (extremely urban for no charging spots, huge rural area without many people for road trips, and extremely cold for range/charging issues).

There were anti-Tesla posts topping that sub well before Elon took the "red pill".

I've always been confused about one thing though; why is the model Y sell better than the model 3? It has like 4x better sales for a car that is more expensive with less range and less modern (after the refresh) and (imo) less S3XY

People prefer their CEOs to say nice things. They don't care that practically all CEOs have the same political beliefs and political donations that Elon does, as long as they say nice things publicly. This holds true even if said CEO is making products that actively poison people. As long as the gas car company CEOs say nice things, who cares if their products harm the environment or cause early respiratory deaths? They're saying nice things on twitter so people like them and their companies more!

I posted it there since it's ev news and people being afraid is what bullies are assuming will happen

I think you're over-estimated the contribution that angry Redditors have regarding products and brands due to a CEO that says mean things on a social media platform that most people don't care about. There are far worse CEOs than Elon out there, with far more popular products than Tesla. My biggest reason for wanting Elon out is because I'm tired of seeing Elon's name pushed to top of all social media multiple times per day. I don't think his departure would have much impact on anything that actually matters.

Hope you get it fixed. Sounds annoying.

You just don't hear them in old shitboxes because of the engine and exhaust sounds.

Yeah they do. Modern car buyers are generally informed and Tesla buyers more than most. The reason why current Y is still selling is because the financing is great and people would rather lock that in now

First of all I have a Tesla so I’m not loyal to my political party especially since i’m not even American. Second, Tesla market share has dropped substantially since 2021 when he really ramped up his idiocy. So yes, what he says does actually have consequences.

Boring people don’t change the world which is literally Tesla’s mission. Like him or not, he’s succeeding.

Yes, but market research shows there is an impact specifically to the segment of the population that would be potential customers for Tesla products. His awful behavior doesn't bother a poor farmer in Iowa with a high school education. A suburban woman (or man) with a bachelors degree, some disposable income, and a working understanding of global warming is less likely to shrug off his embrace of fascists and science-deniers.

I own both a Model 3 and an Ioniq 5. The Ioniq is a great car, but the Tesla beats it in most respects.

I thought this already happened??

Are they really though? Sure Ioniq 6 got "world car of the year" in 2023 but it sure doesn't sell like it. https://www.cbtnews.com/hyundai-global-sales-decline-over-6-in-june-as-ev-sales-drop-by-double-digits/ "All major all-electric Hyundai models experienced a downturn in the year’s first half. The Ioniq 6 faced the steepest drop, with a 62% year-over-year decline." "This includes 102,182 all-electric vehicles (down 30%), with Hyundai and Genesis contributing 96,742 (down 28%) and 5,440 units (down 53%), respectively."

Yeah, my impression was they loved him until he got too rich and then he was bad.

People said the same thing about Tesla battery replacement costs when they first came out. You just have to hope by the time you need it refurbished or new battery backs from Hyundai are more reasonably priced. Granted $60k is pretty steep for a starting point, Tesla was never that expensive, even for the large packs on the Model S/X.

Every manufacturer has these problem. Toyota even has official rattle/noise fix part for dealers, it's a bunch of felt with adhesive on one side.

And even if you don't haggle, it somehow still takes hours and hours to get through all of a dealership's paperwork. When I went to lease a Honda Civic back in 2017, I basically had to give up my whole day and sit in a dusty back office, processing one document after another after another. And this was (and still is) one of the most highly rated Honda dealerships in the bay area. Meanwhile, you can buy a Tesla faster than you can microwave a bag of frickin popcorn. I pray to Zeus that I never have to go back to a dealership.

EV market share is not a very meaningful data point. Extrapolating that into thinking that Elon's tweets have manifested into decreased demand is incredibly ignorant. Tesla's sales are higher than ever before. Tesla's factories are operating near full production capacity. They can't sell many more cars today even if they wanted to until they add more production lines or build additional factories (which they are in the process of doing). I don't think you actually understand what market share is. Focusing purely on EV market share is another mistake. You should consider Tesla's market share of all car types, which is steadily increasing and will continue to increase in the future. [https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-holds-more-than-3-of-the-car-market-share-in-north-america](https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-holds-more-than-3-of-the-car-market-share-in-north-america)

TSLA to the moon

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What length of pipe are you getting? I’ve loaded quite a bit of pvc into my model 3, I just made sure to cover the end so it doesn’t hit the screen in the front.

I bought my MYLR because I think Juniper will be overpriced like the Cyber truck was much more than initially thought.

10 feet pipes just fit fine in model Y. Put a towel on the end to avoid scratching the dash.

Less about the bullies but more about pointing out how absolutely insane that sub is

But people on Reddit told me musk caused irreparable brand damage and now nobody wants to buy a Tesla!

I’m completely willing to accept any criticism from Tesla as a company. But the minute we get to character bashing Elon Musk my eyes roll so far back into my head. I can see my brain. I get you don’t like the guy, you don’t have to like him to buy a Tesla.  If you bought a car based on future promises from a charismatic leader, that’s your fault. You buy a car or any product based on its current form.

You wrote *ALL* of that, but didn't once mention the word 'Elon'? You got so close and managed 'E', but somehow skipped the 'lon' part. Don't we need to hear yet again for the millionth time how Elon is somehow destroying Tesla?

Check the point of contact in the rear of the rear doors, i have a spot there rubbing through the paint, cars 2022

Yep, he's not an engineer. He's THE engineer.

There should be a service which does exceptional work and charges $1000 to fix each rattle or your money back. It'd be a no-brainer for many.

If he doesn't have a license, then he's not an engineer. Hanging around engineers might make him good at his job but not an engineer.

A snowboard and Tesla fan!? You're not alone!

I would pay $250 for this...$1000 is a bit steep but if it was really bad, I might pay $500. Only problem is what Tesla would consider not OK and void your warranty over. That's why I would rather have them do it and if it causes secondary issues, it's on them.

Those are two completely different things and frankly I’m not sure how you even connected those two things at all The cybertruck was a novel, new vehicle with high promises they had to build from the ground up. The model y juniper is a refresh of an existing vehicle… you only need to look at the model 3 highland refresh to see that it’s not overpriced. The price hardly changed at all.

And for all those that bought a different EV because Elon = bad. Let's see if they stay away from superchargers. Let's hope they stick to their high morals.

Tesla drivers are more gun culture now. Libs drove VWs.

I've only seen like two Ioniq 6 cars on the road. And I don't think I'd miss that design easily.

Sorry that's the case, as they work great for my garage and Model 3. In a Model Y the angle between the windshield camera and hood leaves a lot of guesswork and arithmetic to the computers for judging distance and whether anything's right in front that would be plainly obvious with USS. It's one of the reasons I didn't change over with the multiple recent incentives.

Aw, TIL the E got discontinued. I loved the way it looked. The range never would have sold here in the US, but I was still jealous of the countries who got it.

It's all because of Elon unfortunately. Tesla continues to make hands down the best EV's on the market. The best prices, best range and best features all included. It's why despite not liking Elon at all, we're about to buy another M3. Why would we intentionally gimp ourselves and get a worse EV just because the owner is dumb? Lol But unfortunately people are constantly making that mistake

Didn’t you hear, non of the cars are selling as they’re parking them all in parking lots!

Not only that I’m pretty sure they will still get you in for “servicing” yearly and charge around the same price as a gas car for unsuspecting customers which is the majority.

Have been that way for a decade, people refuse to be educated these days

You’d be miserable if you have to base the stuff you buy on the whether you like the ceo of a company or not. Imagine finding out many of the things we own are made by slave labor and proper crappy CEOs.

Having a political view is now considered attacking people. What are your opinions on VW CEOs who kept their mouths shut but polluted the world?

I don't believe that for a second, the rattles in these things are louder than the engine and exhaust in my old shitboxes any day of the week

If it was just political views it would have been fine, i don’t care, but that’s not what it is at all. The VW CEO is worse, i didn’t even consider the etron because of diesel gate

This article is completely inaccurate. Last year the Y outsold every passenger vehicle in the US. The F150 Silverado and Ram sold more. This year RAV4 is leading going into 4th Q

Or get a little utility trailer and pull it with you EV.

I do wish they'd put in a fold-flat passenger seat. The 3/Y could carry longer items much, much easier if you could just slide them in on the passenger side all the way from the trunk to the dashboard. Instead, they have to go down the center, aimed directly at the touchscreen.

I have a 2022 Kia Niro Ev and there are zero fit and finish issues. Nor are there any other issues.

They promised the cyber truck was going to start at under 40k US And once it came out it was 62k US This isn't rocket science man. "Refresh price hardly changed" This is ignorance at its finest, to see shady business practices and false promises for even one of the models Then to completely ignore and deny the fact that it is very possible it ends up costing much more than the current model is laughable The model 3 barely had much changes done to it, the Y is definitely going to have more additions which = more money. The new model 3 was released much quicker for a reason. To deny that it's not even a possibility is very laughable to me. It's like if someone promised they would sell me something for $2 and instead charged me $10. Other products they sell me obviously are at risk in the future and I wouldn't trust that person. This is also common sense.

He got mad he couldn't endanger his employees during Covid for his profits. that's it.

See, Fox News and liberals and Taylor Swift while Kid Rock is out there being the D-list version.

I'd love the larger ground clearance but can't get over how ugly it is. No design effort put in at all just stretch the worst egg-like proportions of the 3 to something monstrous. Looks very feminine too. Like the Audi Q5 or a Mercedes.

It's a dumb Wall Street investor site saying it to pad stock.

Me too, I've been wanting a Tesla since around 2017 and I have finally the cash for a Model Y but I'm waiting for Juniper.

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I’ve never driven 4 people around in my truck, and I sure as hell have used it to drive in a big circle around the country with tots. I’ve used it for Christmas trees, sofas, moving. Towing campers, towing trailers with wood. Moving stinky trash bags, smuggling drugs, and picking up chicks!

looks are subjective my friend. i think it's the worst looking tesla model, but not too shabby.

Is there a single SUV it looks better than?

Literally any job will fire you for making public attachments that harm the company.

in my opinion, among currently produced suvs, it looks better than all the kia/Hyundai EVs, BMW XM and X2, most the GM suvs, among others

Wow lol. Kia’s are over designed by they look better being squared off and more aggressive front grill. Same with the newer chevy’s like the equinox and lyric.

I guess if we're going to play the anecdote game, I have a 2018 Model 3 and a 2019 Model 3, both of which have zero fit and finish issues. And for bonus points, my 2018 is one of the very first produced Model 3s - delivered May 2018 with a VIN of 10K.

What do you expect from a company who uses some of the cheapest interiors on the market?

Keywords are old shit boxes. That shit shouldn't happen with a $40k+ vehicle produced in 2024.

Aesthetically I know which one is the winner

Wonder if this has anything to do with the lowest interest rates on this car.

What's a bolt owner going to do to a MY owner on the freeway? Angerly shake their fist as the Model Y leaves them in the dust?

Do you not fucking know what opinion is?

Yes sorry that didn’t come off in the lighthearted way it was in my head.

"Yes, if you count EVs only!" "Yes, if you don't count trucks!" "Yes, if you..." Best. Selling. Car. ITW.

You don’t have to be so defensive.

I'm not.

> used model 3 Doubtful the vehicle he just purchased is a 2024.

Yeah dont confuse Ford F-150 with Ford F-series

Math is hard to follow on how the model Y will take over the #1 spot. Would mean there was like a 100% increase in US based model Y sales compared to last year and I don't recall any of the quarterly announcements showing that level of support.

Did you read the article? Through Q2 it is outselling F150 in the US and a hair off matching Rav 4 for the #1 spot Could definitely be #1 by EOY because % sales are up for the Y and down for the Rav 4.

I did.

Would you mind showing me atleast a couple specific examples of his bad takes? Not a MSM headline but something direct from him be it an interview or screenshot of tweet(s)?

So the actual truth is through MSM like msnbc and cnn? I’m amazed this position is possible after all the obvious lies this corporations have been pushing the last 6-10 years..

I hope one day you realize the irony of choosing such a subjective topic as your counter-counter-counterpoint.

Tell me your opinion of Musk is informed entirely by Reddit without saying that. You can go ask real-life rocket scientists their opinion on whether he is an engineer or not (hint: the ones who have worked with him all agree he is) or you can continue to regurgitate bot-spam and feel smug. Your call.

Not really - you can have an opinion on whether it looks “cooler”, but it’s objectively worse design. Having larger, higher contrast, icons is better for a car-based UI than smaller tone-on-tone icons

A lot of people if not most people buying a cybertruck are doing it for the novelty because they can afford to, they really don't need a truck. Even if I could upgrade from a Y, I would definitely just get an X. The form factor and material design of the Cybertruck just doesn't do it for me. I wished they went for something more visually consistent with the S3XY cars

reddit: elon is killing tesla!!!! real world: tesla has their best sales quarter ever reddit: no not like that!

the seethe in this post is so real. where did daddy musk touch you?

Every redneck buying a used Tesla is going to learn the hard way that whatever gas guzzler they had was actually way way better. This is the way.

Why buy a used tesla? New leases are cheap and you don't have to care about the battery life or any of that stuff.

So sorry Elon broke a promise to you. You wanna write about it in your diary cupcake?

You’re obsessing over rattles. Sounds like you’re the one preventing yourself from enjoying it

Only reddit would unironically compare a $50,000 vehicle to a toyota corolla

It's pretty bad and very loud ..you can hear them even with the music up. I'm OK with low frequency rattles but these are high pitched and there's definitely something loose that shouldn't be.

I'm super late on the reply, but I don't mean the ads they post on their social media account or social media. I mean, the usual hundreds of millions that the auto industry pays mainstream media to advertise on TV. This is also why the media won't attack Ford and GM like they do Tesla, and why Musk had said a few times that maybe they should pay the media for ads when addressing the constant the disinfo which is the anti Tesla campaign

How nice of you to announce that you care so much. I'll write that down in my diary

Probably right where your personality stopped developing, yes that's the place 👍

Do you wanna just hug it out?

Seems like you learned the touching from daddy musk I kindly decline your offer

These days it's more likely to be someone who drinks wine coolers or Leinenkugels lol.

I love that I thought of M3 (because I owned two) and then realized, oh yeah, that means Model 3, not the BMW. Loving progress.

What other cars have you had

Too many to list out

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