New & improved Actually Smart Summon makes Costco look easy

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Wow this is seriously impressive. My major issue with summon has been the constant disconnects though and some times it never even connects to the car

I can’t wait to try it. Saw the download available. Unfortunately for me, I’m still having the wrap get completed. Hopefully by Wednesday

Very nice and impressive! Looking forward to trying this in my cars soon!

Wait a minute? Costco? With paper bagged items? Cmon now. They only have paper lawn bags there. Should be pushing a cart overloaded with items 🤣

Who assumes liability in event of an accident?

Is this even legal? Definitely legal to include the feature because private land exists. But is it legal to use in a Costco parking lot which I believe like most commercial public parking lots opts to follow the rules of the jurisdiction. Looking up I guess it depends where. Some places definitely apply road rules to private property in the case of parking lots that are open to the public. Not sure where this video was taken.

I assume this is a self driving feature and not Auto Pilot?

The vehicle driver like always

I’ll be impressed when they can navigate a Trader Joe’s parking lot. Pretty sure the devil himself designed those.

FSD and EAP.

lol “Is that car driving away”?

Impressive but after traveling to France, I'm skeptical they will get it to work over there. They are in a whole different league, and not in a good way. Most places, if there are no signs, it's fair to park, over the sidewalk. I'm still convinced there is a secret forklift service to put the cars so close to each other. If there is still space to walk between the cars, scooters will use that.

If you’re having connection issues, isn’t that more with your cell coverage? In my experience when I have a solid connection, summon works as expected, which is nothing like this the video looks great!

I would love to stick a skelton in the driver seat and do this during Halloween. Imagine peoples reactions!

The insurance company.

People were doing this when the first smart summon came out

Honest question here. Until tesla takes responsibility for when it's activated, why would anybody use this feature? Your car hits something, or a car, or a person, etc you are at fault. The risk to benefit factor here seems way too out of proportion. Somebody actually planning on using this, please tell me the logic behind this.

If you mean the network connection of the car then sure - that’s what I am referring to as well. I have had 5 bars of signal and still my car refuses to connect. I have an older 2020 M3 so maybe the network hardware was updated in recent models to be better.

You are supposed to use it only when you can see your car. So not like the person did here.

On which software version is this upgrade starting? I have a feeling it might not be in Canada yet?

Ok that does make more sense thank you. Is there like a panic button to make it stop?

My ~~2029~~ 2019 M3 connects much better to home wifi in the last year. Hopefully they improved cell connection too.

The app requires you to press & hold the button to work. As soon as you release, the car stops. I tried it 2-3 times a few years ago when it was released but normally just use “dumb” summon that makes the car go forward or backwards in a straight line. I felt this too stressful and buggy when I tried Smart. Looking forward to the changes but not sure that I would still fully trust it.

Oh gotcha thats a good design on the button. It would still make me a little worried I think. Could be nice if it was close and pouring rain or something though.

Got it, so right now this is supposed to be just for 'line of sight' use where the driver is supervising the entire journey?

Just ordered my model 3 with auto pilot. I need to research EAP and the cost. Thanks!

I accept that the risk is always exist but not big enough for me to not use it.

Damn we are still stuck with the model 3 in 5 years. I thought we would have the roadster by then.

I’ve got a 2020 as well, but I have only used it like less than a dozen or so times so my sample size isn’t even worth sharing tbh, but since you’ve clarified yeah I don’t have that issue in the times I’ve tried it

EAP is no longer an option. Either subscribe to FSD or buy it upfront.

Yeah same as Autopilot and everything else. You're welcome to use it however you want, but you're supposed to position yourself in a way that you can intervene and prevent issues. On Autopilot that's not too hard, FSD is work, and smart summon is....interesting. You'll want to keep line of sight and prepare.

Good for you prioritize what is at best a minor convenience feature over the safety of others, their health, or property. Hopefully, when something happens, it's not a child who gets hit and injured because you had to use the 'ASS' feature...

40 million views on [X.com](http://X.com) in less than 24 hours.

Pretty sick!!

Yes, Hopefully not.

It’s frustrating as someone who has smart summon but not Actually Smart Summon (no HW3) that Smart summon isn’t, they’ve admitted it, fixed it, and… I don’t get it.

Fully the person not the insurance company example here https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/tesla-self-driving-accident-leaves-montreal-man-with-hefty-bill-1.6873830

Oops. Fumble fingered time travel. Hopefully I can get back in time for dinner.


[2024.27.25](https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2024.27.25/release-notes), and it does look to be hitting Canada (and HW3), it just hasn't had a wide release yet. [TeslaFi shows](https://www.teslafi.com/firmware.php?detail=2024.27.25%2058cdf4996) 346 more cars had it pushed within the last few hours, so it's getting out there.

Never test tesla features when people are around. If it hits a kid then you will be sued for sure. Not worth the risk

Thanks!

That just says he chose to pay for the damage himself so that his insurance premiums don't go up.

The issues have mostly been the opposite: the car was TOO safe and kept stopping for anything minor. So I’m not very concerned about something as bad as a child being hit. This has been out for years and clearly we would have heard of such incidents since everyone loves to bash on Tesla as soon as they can, or just for click baits.

I had the same incident using dumb summon. Sideswiped a other car and had to pay $1500 between our two cars

I don't have issues with it disconnecting, but more with it meandering around, not necessarily taking a direct route to me. It also has an alarming tendency to come very close to objects en route.

And this good design on the button where you have to "hold to go" is actually the same thing with EVs accelerator pedal with regen braking. "Hold" the pedal to go and simply release to stop. A "panic" button (ie. brake pedal) has actually caused a lot of accidents of incompetent drivers who mistakenly press the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal.

Do we need to front park to make use of Actually Smart Summon?

Subtle flex

My 2019 Midrange Model 3 randomly drops LTE seemingly for no reason. Has a knack for doing it when I REALLY wanna use the climate controls to precondition. And there was a period where Summon never functioned when I wanted to use it so I basically gave up on it. Seemingly the only way to resolve the dropped LTE seems to be doing a reset.

That is insane

Flex? This is literally a sub full of Tesla owners - not sure how that’s a flex

Seriously. Why are all the Trader Joe’s parking lot such a mess!?!

Yeah, and if I see my car, I’m just gonna walk to it. It’s still a completely useless feature.

Cars is plural. Id say a majority here only own 1 Tesla

This is the big question for all of Telsa's autonomy. The "final" move for FSD will be taking responsibility, which I'm guessing they never will other than with the cars they own. Financially it makes zero sense. I hope Im wrong.

I just got the actually smart summon update on my HW3 yesterday, check for updates on phone and app!

I don’t have HW3

Ah my bad, the flex was so subtle I missed it

If you insure through Tesla, your premiums don't go up for any of your autopilot, FSD, or smart summon accidents. If you don't insure through Tesla, why would you expect Tesla to cover the responsibility of the insurance company? That's like expecting Apple to cover the cost of replacing your phone if you decide to not buy AppleCare+ and instead decide to go with your carrier's insurance.

When elevator operators were put out of business, did your ancestors proclaim "Thank goodness you prioritize safety over convenience and don't take any of those new-fangled automatic elevators!" If you don't avoid operator-free elevators, you are a hypocrite for trusting technology. Summon is much safer than human drivers. It is also the reason why it's so terribly useless in its current form; it gives way too much leeway to pedestrians. Ironically, the self-driving cars of the future will likely become less safe as they become more human-like (more useable and efficient), because humans very quickly reject the "super safe" variety of self-driving features. We'll have to see how "actual smart summon" works on a wider scale role-out, but I'm guessing its safety will be similar to how it is now: many millions of miles driven with no reported injuries.

They take responsibility if you're on Tesla insurance. I'm not sure why they would if you don't insure through Tesla, though.

A lot of families have more than one car.

Remember in Back to the Future when Marty says he has 2 TVs at home, and Lorraine's dad says, he's just teasing you, nobody has 2 TVs...

It drives less than 5 mph (I think that’s the max speed in parking lots), I don’t think you could injure someone that badly. It also streams a live front camera view while you hold down the summon button.

The flex is multi FSD owner/subscriber.

My summon got substantially worse with this update. There’s no way camera only will work as my car has now hit multiple items in my garage. Prior my model 3 2018 had USS operational for summoning and it never once had an issue. Elon is playing us

Are you saying I can’t run over a child at 5 mph? Hold my beer

I was talking about eyes off the road it's our fault if it crashes responsibility