Agreed.
100%. I thought the same exact thing when the CyberTruck came out. It's going to boost their sales immediately. It's more practical, durable, and unique. Practical - being compact like the Y. Durable - no more door dings. Unique - we all know this one. I'm surprised the review wasn't done by Hammond -- the low key American.
I do agree it should have been a little smaller overall. It looks so weird from the rear imo, but looks great from a 3/4 front angle.
Yes!
💯 A much smaller CyberTruck priced similar to a Model Y Performance would sell better. It’d be like the EV version of Ford Maverick. The people who want to tow large boats and RVs are never going to buy a CT anyway because of range issues when towing. So it’s hard to justify paying $100k for a full size truck that you won’t use for towing anything substantial.
You think the majority of full-size truck owners use their trucks to tow 50+ miles in a day? Doubt it. I'd be willing to bet less than 10% of full-size truck owners do that. I think the vast majority just use their truck bed and only tow around town on occasion.
I live in an area where pretty much everyone drives pickup trucks and SUVs. 90% of the time I don’t even see anything in the beds of the pickups.
make it look like those cooler AI-versions of the cybertruck that I see on instragram and it will print money.
Some of my neighbors who own full-size gas trucks do frequently tow their big RVs to destinations that are 100-200+ miles away. They’re going camping in the summer on weekends. 50 miles barely gets you out of the suburbs. If you want to actually get to a state park in the mountains or the ocean to camp, you do need to drive substantial distances.
The truck was the perfect starting point for cyber styling before expanding to other models. People woulda been furious if the Y was only made with cyber styling, needed whatever ramp up time for the new manufacturing, and had to put up with the radically obsessed haters of new things.
I love our Model 3 but we do need something that is a bit more capable for when we go camping and the ability to tow our trailer. I would 100% buy something that looks more like what Rivian is offering if Tesla had that. Unfortunately all they have is the Y and that (although better) just isn't quite enough for our needs. Currently our plan is to buy an R2 or R3 when they become available, but if Tesla announces something before that I would choose Tesla over Rivian.
That would be rad
Making it smaller would ruin its proportions, besides that it's still smaller in length than an f150, the best selling vehicle in the United States. What they need is an suv variant like rivian and hummer has. That would make it even shorter on length and more practical, while also filling in a vehicle segment tesla isn't currently in.
I've made the Y work towing our camper but it's on the smaller size 2.5k dry. Main issue is needing more pull in chargers but they've been adding those. Waking up with a full charge at campsites after rolling in low charge is super helpful. I was going to get the cybertruck for towing but they badly missed the projected specs and the towing range doesn't seem much better than the Y.
Yeah I could probably make a Y work for us, but it just feels really similar to a 3. I want something that I could take on a logging road without worrying about ground clearance/etc. Who knows, if Juniper is more capable we may pick that up next year... but I doubt it'll be that much different from the Y currently.
I'm also getting an R3 when its out.
It's such a great looking vehicle. I hope that Rivian can survive until the R2/R3 comes out. They'll sell so well if they can get to market and achieve a good price point.
Cybertruck would be amazing and sell like hotcakes if it wasn't so goddamn ugly and poorly made.
Coworker of mine bought a trailer because he didn't want to scratch up the bed of his truck. Most people don't use a truck for truck things.
Why not buy a Cybertruck?
Price would be the biggest drawback. Plus that's just not the type of vehicle I am looking for. To each their own, but something that looks like an R2 is much, much more appealing to me compared to a Cybertruck. I am not trying to bash the cybertruck, but you have to be pretty daft to actually think if Tesla had just made a "regular" looking truck it wouldn't have sold better.
I agree. It is too big. Most people, including truck people, don't need a fullsize truck. A midsize truck will do. Plus, a midsize truck today is about the same size as a fullsize truck from 20 years ago.
agree that trucks are more of a fashion statement than for practical use, kinda defeats the purpose of having a truck
I want the opposite, the larger battery pack is what I really need. The current range of the truck just cant tow. I would rather make a minivan an updated CT battery that can tow 8,000 lbs and fit 7 or so people with a trunk still. That would be amaaazing. I was never into the CT because of the looks but the specs, and the specs need some improvement.
He might get his wish on October 10
Aren’t you looking for a truck? If so, it is the type of vehicle you are looking for. Also, what’s the price of the Rivian? I think a lot of people appreciate the stainless steel body, which means very low likelihood pf dents or scratches. Plenty of people value practicality over aesthetics.
Styling aside, a stainless steel bodied Model 3/Y would be interesting. No paint or door dings to worry about is an underrated feature.
There is a market for being able to tow over 100 - 150 miles without needing to recharge.
A Tesla like the DeLorean would be perfect
>Aren’t you looking for a truck? He said he's looking at the Rivian R2 and R3, neither of which are pickup trucks. >Also, what’s the price of the Rivian? Rivian announced the starting price of the R2 at $45,000. The R3 is expected to be cheaper.
I think the styling on Hyundai's N Vision 74 kinda has that vibe to it. https://preview.redd.it/tjukfwqle8od1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82d604907c6cd45152b91c46c50aee5c68e748e8
Because they're massive pieces of shit? My MX isn't perfect. But a truck that breaks when you slam a fucking door?? Embarrassing. They're a failure of vision at best. A tonneau cover that blocks your view like that... There are too many issues with the very concept to even list.
Yeah no door dings, just nice wavy stainless steel lmao
i still think there should be a cyber wrangler, with integrated front/back winch.
Heavy.
The configuration I would like to see is not yet available and I am loathe to ask my insurance agent what it would cost.
it's easier for Tesla to come out with mid size Cybertruck-the rest will be dream/wishes.
And I'd bet they have stuff in a trailer even less often.
I'm arguing that market is small relative to the overall pickup truck market.
I get that, but don't you think they're exceptions rather than the rule? Think about how many pickup truck owners there are. Do you really think most of them have RVs or other trailers they're towing long distances? I think most use them as commuter vehicles with the occasional couch or something that they throw in the bed.
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A Tacoma equivalent would be perfect.
There's that word again
That would take away from the prestige of the S/X Plaid. Can't see that happening
God I want that thing so bad. Make it an EV around even $70k with the N features from the Ioniq 5 and I'm sold.
Panels glued on to the structure lol
The interesting thing here is that Y fails me on size without a hint of towing. I would love to see X redone as a true SUV. It is about time for a total remake of X. What X needs is better towing capability supported by a huge all weather battery. That is battery tech that works well below zero. I’d like to see double the range , somewhat improved off road capability and built in solar capability. By the way if you want to say something about roof area and feasibility please don’t. Tesla should be able to get the equivalent of a 500 watt panel on an X like platform. That is enough power to offset usage of the battery out in the wild. An actual recharge of the battery would take forever but that isn’t the point.
Please stop with this non-sense. What people need is up to them.
The Rivian is really nice but I don’t see them making it long term. Maybe a new management team would do the trick but that doesn’t seem to be in the cards.
Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
Aren’t they making that some fuel cell powered travesty? Seriously this but made with Tesla tech would be fucking amazing!
and up to most of them, they want a midsize truck.
holding out for the Cyber-roadster™. half monster truck, half roadster; and immune to all manner of door dings, shopping carts and curb rash.
It’s ok not to get the CT cuz of the looks.
Hmmm... People with full-size trucks will not agree with you voicing what they need. They have a need to fill their desire. Not practical use
Exception to need to yep, but it's the standard to \_want\_ to or have the capacity to do so.
Used to be, iirc it is being changed to fully electric
they can buy a full size cybertruck. James May is saying that Elon should make a smaller truck as well, and I agree with him.
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Sure, but it’s not okay to say you are doing it because it’s the wrong type of vehicle if you are doing it because of the looks. Type of vehicle and vehicle style aren’t the same thing. It’s also kind a pathetic reason to own a pickup truck.
I want a cybertruck sized model y
So I have always been curious. Why do we gatekeep trucks if people "Need" them. But people can buy sports cars and SUVs because they want them? I don't see people getting angry at Lambo, Ferrari, and other hypercars for not being on the track. Or angry at EVERY parent on earth for not off roading in their SUV. Or jeeps for being not upside down. I just don't get why THIS is the line people have decided to draw.
I have honestly NEVER met a truck owner who said they needed it for anything. They WANTED the truck. However every SUV driver claims they need it. When a basic corolla will fit their 2 kids just fine. Nah, this is just gatekeeping.
I want an electric extended cab Ford Ranger style of truck. I don’t need to power my house, haul a yacht, or climb a mountain. I just want to be able to take my kids home from the soccer field without having the smell of their bags riding shotgun. Or bring home some pine straw without needing to vacuum out the back seat. Shouldn’t have to spend six figures to get that.
Agreed. This gatekeeping is nuts. Should I get angry at every parent with an SUV for not off roading or old guy in a sports car for not being on the track? Almost NO ONE buys the car they NEED. If they did most would be on a motorcycle or smallest car available.
I want this sooo bad. But not styled like a cyber truck. Perhaps inspired by.
EV Maverick equivalent!
We need Cybervan
Problem with Rivian is they don’t have FSD. Otherwise, seems like a great car. No FSD is a deal breaker for me. Maybe they’ll license it from Tesla.
That’s 100% my thoughts as well. I use FSD for 99% of my driving and I couldn’t really imagine not having it. Hoping that Rivian has caught up somewhat by the time the R2/3 come out.
How many Lambos, Ferraris and other hypercars do you see on the road? Full size pickups are literally the most popular vehicle in the United States. That's probably why.
Seems to already be selling like hotcakes.
That is possible, yeah.
why they don't have a full suite of electric 2 and 4 wheeled vehicles baffles me. Imagine the moped/scooter culture it could drive.
I want an SUV version (3rd row bench) to seat 8 and rival the Navigator, etc. Also would prefer a more reasonable roadster model that's not a supercar (or vaporware).
There are plenty of tradesmen driving around now in huge, oversized trucks that look to have the same size trays as the simple hilux of old. Perhaps even smaller. I don’t get it.
I would walk on fire to buy a Tesla midsize Cybertruck right now.
Yeah came here to say the same thing. The model 2 / robotaxi is definitely going to be stainless.
Because Elon wanted a truck. Plus, there are several companies out there making EV bikes already, but no one was mass producing an EV truck at the time they were deciding to do so. Tesla will make an EV bike if other companies don't make one that is good enough or sells well.
I see them around and I hate them. I like the Aztec slightly more than I hate the that thing. -Throws up in mouth a little -
Because sports cars are generally uncommon, usually lightweight and small, and don't get dailied very often. In contrast, these massive trucks that Americans have deluded themselves (and been deluded by Detroit's marketing) into buying are extremely common but cause ENORMOUS externalities on everyone else on the road. They're unsafe to pedestrians, cyclists, and other road users that aren't in similarly enormous SUVs or trucks. They pollute excessively, and take more materials to produce. They rarely haul or use their beds (less than 1/3 of truck owners admit to doing those activities even once a year). They make it harder for everyone else to park.
I think it's a funny and ugly vehicle, even more than the Cybertruck. Reminds me of a Fiat Panda, Kia Soul, or the Ioniq 5.
Why would you think it would not be a massive pile of shit?
Cause I’m not a pessimistic hater. Why would it not be one of the best truck ever created?
I think Tesla is done with the “cyber” for now. Elon had to make the cybertruck after over promising. He’s incapable of admitting he was wrong or misguided so he’ll follow through on pretty much anything just to protect his ego even if it’s a bad idea. I don’t think Tesla is going to produce any more cyber variants, it’ll just be the truck
Because Tesla doesn’t really produce massive piles of shit?
It reminds me of a Lada Niva, and I’m here for it.
[The Hammerhead Eagle I-Thrust?](https://preview.redd.it/hammerhead-eagle-i-thrust-the-offcial-car-of-v0-pbxgscmom3ac1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=31cdfca20375bbad5f2af4244f6956b01cf5edf7 )
There is one in the thumbnail my guy
no it won't!
The problem with the Cybertruck is it's a rigid outer body ontop of a inner skeleton structure. The point of it was supposed to be a rigid exoskeleton - no skeleton. Because it's got a exoskeleton and normal skeleton it's heavier. It's also more dangerous in a crash - no give in a crash - anything else gets anihalated and the passenger of the Cybertruck in collision with anything hard gets worse whiplash and g's because of the lack of crumple zone (stiff exoskeleton). It's also not efficient. Model 3, Y, S X are efficent - especially the first two at 4, sometimes 5miles per kWh!The Cybertruck is heavier, wider tyres, bigger, less streamlined - so gets half that. Barely 2 miles per kWh - so has a terrible range (115kWh x 2 = 230-250miles). Worse than a Rivian and all the others which are hitting 250-300 with bigger 150-200kWh batteries! So not the 500 miles promised! And stupidly expensive at $100k.
Do you think plastic? It’s not going to be painted
It's because trucks are Republicans, EV's are Democrats, and CyberTrucks are trans.
All I see in the thumbnail is the bestselling vehicle over $100k. Odd. Maybe the algo gave you a different one.
Yeah not sure on that front. Rivians are sweet, sadly out of my price range but my buddy loves his.
I am annoyed at everyone suddenly "needing" an SUV, in some countries they have always been frowned on. If you buy a model 3 with super performance, you can still use it like a regular car that has the same environmental cost as another regular EV car (and really, a model 3 trumps most cars even then). If you buy a pick-up truck, even an EV one, you can't use it with the same environmental cost as a regular car. Like an SUV, it's bigger, there's more dead weight you're needlessly carting around, it takes more energy to propel and to produce. The chain of anger is broad and goes right up and down the spectrum though, as honestly, most people don't even need a car. Public transport, biking and walking generally trumps all personal motorized transport options in terms of environmental impact. Environmental impact is important because while everyone is free to make their own choices, we all bare the costs of those decisions equally. Unless you go to Mars.
If by 'bike' you mean bicycle, perhaps, but I doubt it would ever be a high-volume product. If you mean motorcycles, I don't see that happening. Zero and other companies have already pushed far in that market because the barrier to entry is far lower, and Elon has stated in the past that he's against the idea of a Tesla motorcycle due to the safety issues inherent to riding.
father of two, couldnt imagine taking road trips with wife, two kids under four, and all of our crap in a basic corolla....
Agreed. And I did it for 15 years with 3 kids + wife and myself. It was fine. You pack different. We got a pickup and actually started taking less because all of those trips taught us taking a bunch of stuff SUCKS in other ways not just space. And even if an SUV would have been better for us... Paying 30% to 100% more for the SUV and whatever fuel would have been would not have been worth it for the 4-6 times a year road trip. And so we did not. I eventually got a truck because I wanted one. And it's HUGE everything was no better for road trips. Your ass still hurts after X miles. Only thing it was nice for was seeing over the other cars to gauge traffic flow. I have nothing against someone getting the car they want. But calling a preference or a want a need really grinds my gears. If you are more comfortable in a bigger vehicle do it. But you don;t need it. Don't approach an issue asking how you can spend your way intro making it better. Ask how you can use what you have to make it better. And then spend all that money you save on more vacations, plushies, fancier restaurants, or even renting the larger vehicle for the week. It will cost WAY less to rent 6 weeks a year.
I didnt expect so much wisdom from reddit this afternoon. You're absolutely right - but i do love my MY7seater
Same. I loved my truck and now I love my tiny M3. I did not realize it after 10 years driving a giant truck. But I was subconsciously afraid to go places due to fear of parking and just dealing with small spaces. (And mind you I drove my truck in places people in compact cars were afraid to go.) But I realized the other day I was wanting to go out to places more.. And I realized.. Oh.. It's because I have a tiny car and can actually fit without having a heart attack with every parking job.
I recently disposed of an F150, because it was a piece of junk and purchased a Honda Passport. I can honestly say that I really miss having a pickup. You never have to engage in a project to take on an impromptu project. Life can be simpler with a pickup, it is too bad Tesla doesn't have a reasonably priced pick up ready to go. By the way, a Passport as a mid sized SUV was a great fit for my body size. Tesla really needs ergonomics improvements for its cars.
Agreed and agreed.
Had to make a little edit there. I'm really hoping for a much better priced Cybertruck in 2025. I'm close to retirement and a vehicle to explore this country would be fantastic.
Same. In my mind it's still a $40k truck. For me I am hoping for the closest they might make $55k and then I will buy that one used 2-3 years after release. That has been my essential concept of a game plan since they announced the CT.
Because they’re a small company competing with government-subsidized giants. Their only hope of survival was cost-efficiency, which they’ve done by essentially only having two models in production.
Isn’t the R3 like an inch taller than a Golf? Does it have lots of ground clearance that I’ve somehow missed?
I don’t think there’s that much of a difference in production costs between small and large pickups the way most on this sub do. Look at the ICE equivalent: a Ranger starts at ~90% the cost of an F150. It would use slightly less steel and maybe could axe the tonocover, but the CT RWD has about the same power motor as the M3LR already, you can’t realistically go much less than that and the interior is already minimalist. Unless you severely reduce battery capacity I don’t see where significant cost savings lie. You could of course do a smaller version that costs 90% of the full size CT, but then they would probably sell about as well as the Ranger…
Because people often claim to need a truck, and no one claims to need a sports car. Sports cars are toys, everyone knows they're toys, and there's no debate.
Interesting plan, I need to consider it. I don’t see demand slowing up anytime soon, ct has a lot of features that would make me happy. That probably means many others are interested. The other thing I’m hoping for in the next year or two is better battery tech! In this sense, capacity, especially in cold weather. I know such tech is coming, I just don’t want to wait years.
The Cybertruck isn't even full size really. It's 10in shorter than a F150 and over 1ft shorter than the Silverado EV. I do agree through a smaller pickup like the maverick/ranger would be nice. 125kwh battery and 300+ miles of range is nice
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