Plausible? Cheap Cybercab with mandatory FSD subscription?

I’m pretty sure the cybercabs would just come with FSD since it’s a paperweight without it

It would be tricky to enforce FSD subscription on buyers. From contract perspective you can not force customers into subscription. So you would have to do it some other 'inventive' way like providing at sale discount for the entire FSD package (say $8,000) in return for deferred payments of $100 per month until the full FSD purchase price is paid up. But that's tricky too because if someone would want to get rid of the car after 3 years, you either have to sue them for remaining balance or expect another buyer to pick up payments.

can I buy a Cybercab for personal use? daily commute that is

A mandatory FSD subscription? That is more unappealing than the price of the car itself being off

and also, a considerable % (more than a majority I bet) of buyers wouldnt want FSD and wouldnt want to pay for it. The default rate would be astronomical

What if they sell them without steering wheels? I heard Musk originally didn't want the Model Y to have them, as he thought they were close to Level 5 back then.

If cybercabs won’t have steering wheels or pedals, wouldn’t FSD be necessary, not just mandatory?

Someone will need to insure the driverless vehicle. Tesla will have the liability. It's likely the monthly subscription will include insurance and fees per mile.

And who would control cars when they get stuck? Even now Waymo keeps hundreds of nameless workers connecting from half a globe away making sure the cars are keep running. Nobody in their right mind would agree in 2027 to buy car that they would not be able to take over in case it misbehaves or FSD fails. That level of trust would need to be built first through a stellar reputation and years of improvements.

Why is everyone concerned about Elon’s bonus? He’s already a gazillionaire! I’m not going to start a go fund me campaign for him if he misses this one target (or even if he misses them all).

It could be a "virtual steering wheel" on the screen, or even just a pick a path sort of thing. Recall Tesla sold cars with no shift lever or turn signal stalk.

That's what I figure.

I'm not concerned about his bonus or his well being. I'm just speculating about the future of Tesla's products. I mentioned Elon, because I believe his pay package is the main incentive to make FSD subscription only.

Musk claimed you will be able to for $30k. He also said the Cybertruck would cost $40k, so take that price with a grain of salt.

I missed this, but it looks like they're going into production without them. https://www.autoblog.com/electric/tesla-builds-first-production-cybercab

That’s a good idea!

Is there any way to provide a low cost vehicle with the only way to use it is to subscribe? And that is agreed upon prior to purchase. Or does that have consumer protection laws.

The ones offered for sale to the public will be equipped with a steering wheel. The ones Tesla will own for cabs will not.

Has that been confirmed?

I tried to post this earlier but got removed. I was wondering if you need to subscribe to FSD to use the cybercab. No way they would make everyone pay a subscription fee but it’s free on cybercab.

Wouldn't structuring this like a non-transferable lease with required % upfront be a legal way to achieve that?

Why wouldn't they make everyone pay a subscription fee? Musk needs to get 10 million subscribers. Selling a car for cheap (relatively) that requires a subscription seems like a good way for him to get that done.