FSD on HW4 predicted a car pulling out before it happened and avoided multiple crashes now I trust it more than myself. (within not crazy designed areas)

This is my experience as well with >15k miles on 14.x. At this point I don't want my loved ones to use anything else.

Scratch that, dumb question. I just saw you had 15k+ miles on it so I’m guessing this is 2025 Highland *without the front facing bumper camera?

Should be 2025 as I got it in late March.

Cries in hw3 which gives me strikeouts while sitting at a redlight changing the radio station

Tesla claims FSD is 85% safer than a human driver. I thought that was BS when I first read it, but after experiencing it, I'm a believer.

I like that the car has 360 degree vision always, from that point it’s better than a human

Thanks for clarifying! I have a 2024 M3 and I’ve been debating FSD but this puts me at ease.

You should have the camera inside?

I do. I get strikes for driving normally, no phone use. Its ridiculous

Making the roads safer for mammals everywhere. It saved three deer last night.

HW3 here and I only get strikeouts when I really really should. As in when I’m really abusing it and pushing the limits. A chime is not a strikeout.

I had it go into a pullout on a single lane mountain pass to let the cars behind me pass and then continue onwards. I was in sloth mode because of some motion sick prone passengers and I had 3 cars backed up behind me. That move blew my mind 🤯(HW4 Juniper)

Lets see the video!

I've had one incident where I'm pretty sure I would've crashed or at least had a very scary moment if not for fsd one was a guy zooming across the highway and cut in diagonally from like 3 lanes over when there was a very tiny space in front of me, fsd braked way hard before I saw him. if it had been me I'm not sure I could've braked in time there are still times where I don't let it drive, windy mountain roads, snow, heavy rain..like it may be fine but I still trust myself more cause I feel like in adverse conditions I prefer to be in control. but regular road driving it's probably at least as good as I am

>HW3 here and I only get strikeouts when I really really should. As in when I’m really abusing it and pushing the limits. >A *chime is not a strikeout*. This. Also my HW3 definitely does not do what you're saying - it is quite reasonable.

Oh ive gotten strikes, not just chimes, from sitting at a redlight and my passenger using their phone and i was driving properly

”Better” is a complicated term in that sentence. It can see more, but that does not necessarily create a better user experience. I mean this is basically Elon’s logic for not including LIDAR. Sometimes seeing more does not create the experience you want as a passenger. Our expectations of car travel include a level of disregard for potential dangers.

Yep. That impressed my kids big time. Someone tailing us for a few seconds and the FSD decided it's better to let the idiots pass 😆

Weird. I don't know what to say man.

I think 85% is bullshit too! It's 1000%.

Mine runs red lights

FSD had me at a stop sign way too long, I put my foot on accelerator and a car came speeding down from hiding behind parked cars. I got off the accelerator immediately and avoided disaster. FSD knows what it's doing.

First, it can’t predict the future in any meaningful sense except that it models the physical world and calculates future positions of objects it senses. Just like you do. Also, if it can’t identify an object, it assumes the road is clear. That’s great logic for avoiding false positives but that’s shitty logic for avoiding collisions. See cases where overturned semis were on the highway and the car drove almost straight into it without slowing down until the model could identify a human. Also, can it interpret gestures from emergency personnel directing traffic? No. It can’t even reliably read street signs, something it should be really good at doing, ostensibly. I have a no turn left sign nearby that FSD routinely ignored for years. Now, it obeys it but I have no idea whether it actually “reads” it or has been hard coded. It still can’t follow a semi-complicated sign (for a computer, not for a human) to select a lane based on whether the intention is to turn left or right out of the intersection. The biggest issue is that human psychology tells us that we are the weakest link in that it’s easy to become complacent (not compliant, oops) when a system works as impressively well as FSD. Ironically, in a system that still requires human supervision, the better it has become, the more likely we are to assume it’s actually better than us and to fail to remain vigilant and to notice when it makes catastrophic mistakes (such as crashing into overturned semis on the highway.) See human factors research in the aviation world.

No you are interpreting the situation wrong. It somehow knew a vehicle would pull out of the intersection when it was stopped seconds beforehand. The tesla slowing down with hard breaking ahead of time while that vehicles vision had no vision of us. When the car in Front turned the car then pulled out in front of me and it would have been a really bad situation if the car had not predicted it seconds ahead of time and slowed significantly. The car pulled out where the tesla still hard braked after it had already slowed down significantly. The car was stopped so, it somehow knew it was a dangerous situation where the driver may not have saw us. So it predicted something a human driver would not have predicted. It can also make predictions based on the behavior of other drivers like if they swing wide before a turn the telsa already knows they are attempting a turn the very second the swing wide. It just got the hang of school busses and emergency vehicles, so I think hand signals and such are a little ways off. But I'm sure the game of whack-a-mole will get to that eventually. I am extra cautious when the tesla is in non standard areas or navigating weird or new places, but I am complacent on my trip to and from work that is does flawlessly every single day. But I dont get on any highways or interstates or freeways on that drive.