The Tesla Model X And Model S Are Dead In Europe

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From the article: The Tesla Model S and Model X, once the highest standard in the electric car industry, are now little more than a footnote in the company’s story. That’s because Tesla just killed the two EVs in Europe. The American automaker updated its European webpages, removing the ability to order new vehicles, instead leaving just the option to buy a Model S or Model X from inventory. The move comes after Tesla stopped manufacturing right-hand drive versions of the two EVs in 2023. Earlier this year, the Elon Musk-led company discontinued the Model S and Model X in China, leaving Europe and North America as the biggest markets for the two models. Now, with Europe out of the picture, the United States and Canada are the only major markets where the aging battery-powered cars are still available. Earlier this year, Tesla updated the Model S and Model X with multi-color ambient lighting and a few other minor tweaks. Meanwhile, the prices went up, and brand enthusiasts were not happy.

Well, they clearly just gave up with this new refresh. There’s literally been nothing new with these cars in years…

The S and X really need a clean sheet redesign on a new platform.

In Finland the configurator went away at the same time as the new models were announced in the US. I would assume they are getting rid of old inventory before launching the new one, rather than killing it.

The 3 and Y are considered sizable cars in most European countries. Or even too large in some. So the market for the X and S wasn’t large to begin with. Add the lack of considerable updates (especially to the appearance) and you won’t sell any after these years.

Makes sense. Model Y and Model 3 are much better fit for Euro market

agreed. Too bad they spent all the money on cybertruck.

This was my thought. Sensationalist article jumping to conclusions.

But the news model S and X will have RGB lighting! All they need now is a model E to fill the gap for models S, E and X.

Makes sense. I wouldnt buy an S over a 3, and I wouldn't buy an X over a Y

From 2012 to 2020 Tesla released the Model S, Model X, Model 3, and Model Y. From 2020 to 2025 they've done what other manufacturers would call mid-cycle refreshes with the Cybertruck as the only full new model. And that one is selling significantly less than the production capacity they planned for.

They just want to sell inventory before deliveries of the last “upgrade”. Which is nothing more than led lights and 2 new bumpers. Wheels are changeable by default

Same in Germany. I think they just want to sell the remaining inventory and continue later this year with the updated models

Any time you see an article like this, bookmark it and come back to it in 3 months for a good laugh.

The Model 3 was originally going to be the Model E to make this very joke, but Ford sued because they own the name Model E, so they flipped E to 3.

You are S 3 X Y, no?

Which countries are you referring to specifically? Because I’d be hard pressed to come up with even one European country where the 3 would be considered a sizable car. Let alone ‘too large’

Unfortunately that's what happens when they're so far ahead of the competition

I mean he's not wrong, go through Italy, Croatia, some parts of France and soon you'll be wishing you were in a Panda instead of a Large SUV

They’re behind in range and arguable ride quality. They could’ve easily improved on that. They still have the best EV UX by FAR. Tesla just isn’t making the effort with them.

I'm all for explaining to him that some countries have narrow roads, but saying the model 3 is a Large SUV is taking it a step too far 🤣

Im guessing you never seen Chinese EVs

Well he said the 3 is considered a sizable car in most European countries. Which is just wrong. Its labeled as a mid sized sedan/hatchback, and is even considered smallish for the class. Sure, you can find some areas in most European countries with very narrow streets where the 3 is difficult to maneuver. But that doesn’t mean the car is considered sizable or too large by the general public. I know many people with 3’s and I’ve never heard anybody say that they felt that it’s too large. In fact, most people don’t drive a 3 as their main vehicle because it’s too small for most families. I can maybe see that statement being true for the Y, but definitely not for the 3.

I mean it’s not surprising when there’s arguably far better options in, or super close, to the price ranges of the X and S

Well he said the 3 is considered a sizable car in most European countries. Which is just wrong. Its labeled as a mid sized sedan/hatchback, and is even considered smallish for the class. Sure, you can find some areas in most European countries with very narrow streets where the 3 is difficult to maneuver. But that doesn’t mean the car is considered sizable or too large by the general public. I know many people with 3’s and I’ve never heard anybody say that they felt that it’s too large. In fact, most people I know don’t drive a 3 as their main vehicle because it’s too small for most families. I can -maybe- see that statement being true for the Y, but definitely not for the 3. Especially since there’s been a trend going on for the past years where SUV’s are becoming more and more popular in the EU.

This, and also the added new color and rims choice? Ooof, those new rims definitely make the S and X much less attractive.

Can't say so far ahead, with those premium price tags, yet they don't even have HUD or an automatic roof shade.

Model "E" is the 3

Obviously because Porsche is better and costs about the same.

Are they making 3s in Germany or still just Y? If they are making 3s local then cross shipping the Atlantic just for S/X adds complexity.

Hard to see them in the USA when the “free market” has tariffed the living shit out of the real competition.

A mid-size sedan *is* a sizeable car in Europe, when you consider that most of the cars on the road in Europe are compact and subcompact cars.

Check out the [best selling cars of last year](https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2024-full-year-europe-top-50-best-selling-car-models/) in Europe. So this is throughout Europe, including countries where larger cars aren’t that much of a problem like in Germany. The only model that is equal to the Model Y is the Skoda Kodiaq on place 39. And that’s it for the entire list (unless I missed one, please check). So yes, as far as cars sold the Model Y and 3 are considered large. Sure there are larger cars around, but not sold in considerable numbers.

I have and u do appreciate them but their software is trash

Model 3 for Europe are currently built in Shanghai. Model Y in Shanghai and Berlin. Model S and X are only built in Fremont. Though the S is shipped in parts and assembled in the Netherlands, funnily enough.

Okay so they have been only wondering S/X from US for a while. Maybe volume just isn’t worth it. I never heard about the S being put together there.

I wish you could get the Tesla software and supercharging without the Tesla

As a model S owner I can understand. Both the S and the X are too big for Europe. Every parking garage is a nightmare and on single lane roads other drivers fail to judge how wide this thing is. On a different note, they are bloody heavy, and costly from repair, insurance, road tax and depreciation point of view. Not to mention the fact that nothing really improved over the last years beside the plaid being insanely fast, which is a neat party trick but not much use in day to day life. The model Y is produced locally (Berlin) and now has some of the things that used to be S/X exclusive such as cooled seats. I can totally understand the market is dead but (call me crazy), I’m still proud of my Plaid. Maybe my experience is uncommon since it’s a plaid but I prefer to go to Tesla Service over going to BMW or Mercedes dealer every day of the week.

At least here in Germany, only 364 new Model S and 302 new Model X were sold last year. So, entirely possible.

I get it. My brother in law drives an S since it's launch. He now has his 2nd and is very satisfied. That said, I chose a Mercedes EQS, same oversize and overprice and am equally convinced as he is that it is the better car. In the end it's emotion probably. But the EQS as well as Model S are way too expensive and large to be mainstream.

2.0 is going to be sick.

Sure, most cars sold here are C segment cars like the VW Golf or the Ford Focus, but there’s still a ton of D+ segment cars on the road here. Especially in Central Europe where company cars make up a large portion of the cars on the road. The 3 is technically a D segment car but that has more to do with brand positioning and pricing than the actual dimensions of the car. Its more comparable to a Skoda Octavia (C segment) than a proper D segment car like Mercedes C class or an Audi A4. And SUV’s are really on the rise in Europe. Currently accounting for over 50% of all new cars sold. If you look at the cars that are actually on the road here, the 3 definitely doesn’t stand out in traffic between most other cars due to its size. Again, I agree that there are some places in Europe where the 3 would be a larger than average car based on the typical car on the road. But he claimed that the 3 is considered sizable and even too large in MOST European countries. As a European that drives through Europe a lot, I don’t believe that to be the case.

I think the original comment is totally correct: > A *sizeable* car in **most** European countries. > Or even *too large* in **some**. The Model 3, as a 4.7m long sedan, is definitely larger than the average car on the road currently. (That might shift over time due to the popularity of new SUVs, but currently it’s still true with all the existing used cars on the road.) So is the Skoda Octavia. It’s really only a C segment on paper due to being built on the Golf platform, the length puts it at the very largest end of those and is generally considered D segment by the media. And in *some* places, like Italy or France, it can be “too large”.

Great EV, not great car/SUV (for the price)

BYD software is so bad though. Only Xpeng and Xiaomi are worth buying.

Maybe, although unlikely in Sweden but who knows. So far in 2025 Tesla sold 10 Model S and 14 Model X, that’s a hard business case for anyone. Lotus Eletré have even sold 17 this year if you wanna compare similar prices.

Hard to compete when china when they have even higher import taxes on US/EU made cars while subsidizing their car companies to compete internationally.

It's sort of crazy how Tesla basically only has 2 volume models. I think this is the biggest reason why they haven't been able to grow lately.

How do you know how many Model S and Model X have sold in Sweden so far this year?

They don’t sell very well in the U.S. either. S & X combined sold just a little more than the Cybertruck in Q2.

Conversely, I bought a S over a 3. That balances things out.

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Same across the rest Europe.

The S is basically the same size as a 3?

To be fair, every country subsidizes their own industries to some extent. It's just when someone is an acceptable target that its one step too far. See how acceptable it is for Apple to go find cheap labor in China to make their phones and tablets. But when China tries to sell with its own cheap labor, that's horrible.

Tesla sales have been significantly down yoy for the two last quarters. Before that in 2024 they were slightly lower then in 2023. When do I laugh?

I looked here and it seems to be correct [car.info](https://www.car.info/en-se/tesla/model-s/stats)

Tesla M3 and MY are the most newly registered ev cars in the first two quarters, and EVERYTHING got significantly down... Have you seen Audi, Porsche and MB? So... Yep. Tesla somehow managed to overcome Elons idiocy. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Global EV sales are significantly up over the same period.

New registrations as someone else linked, I ripped it from a Feber article: [https://feber.se/bil/tesla-slutar-salja-model-x-och-s-i-sverige/481417/](https://feber.se/bil/tesla-slutar-salja-model-x-och-s-i-sverige/481417/)

No, they're fine lol. People are acting like because they don't have a monopoly hold on EVs that they're not competitive anymore.

This isn’t the first time they’ve done that, so I wouldn’t be surprised.

They need to put some actual luxuries in these vehicles. When the BMWs started to sell the sales for these started to die. I guess that's why they're coming out with the L version for the Y

That assembly thing ended in 2021.

In EU?

Franz and Lars on an interview (Jay Leno Cybercab iirc), said they would be bringing alot of the updates the refreshed 3/Y got to the S/X later this year (or sometime soon). Maybe they bring in some of the tech from Cybertruck too but that might require too much of a redesign idk.

Y ?

The S and X haven’t been available as “buy new” cars on the Tesla website in the UK for years.

That’s cause of right-hand drive. They stopped producing them for Australia, NZ, Japan and SEA years ago for the same reason.

It’s basically not worth €100k for an ‘okay’ sports sedan. There are very nice German cars that offer more for that kind of money. And 100k for a falcon-wing-toy is nuts.

the 3 is not a small car anywhere, even in the US/Canada. It's not a *big* car either but it's not exactly small.

I don't think there's really anything wrong with the platform itself in either vehicle. FCA carried what was essentially a modified Mercedes W210 platform from 1995 all the way up till 2023.

There’s not fucking way that’s trie

That must be a nightmare for service centers when one comes in.

The new 3 is equivalent to the S minus a little leg room. The only thing you gain with the X is the usable 3rd row and flashy falcon doors. I have an X for the usable 3rd row, but I really wanted a Y if it was a bit bigger

This is just Germany but just to give you an idea here are numbers from the official government page that list new car registrations for 2025. The first column lists the brand, the second is the total number of cars registered, the third is the cars registered out of that with electric-drive units (it doesn’t clearly state if this includes hybrids or not, but based on the brands listed it is safe to say it includes hybrids): https://www.kba.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/AlternativeAntriebe/2025/pm26_2025_Antriebe_elektro_05_25_tabelle.html There are 11 brands that have sold more units than Tesla. Overall you see an increase in electric cars, but Tesla overall doesn’t show that same trend, irregardless of the S/X or the other models. And if you take that 7000 units sold, only a fraction are going to be S or X. While this may be a refresh, I could very much see them taking those models out of the market, since it doesn’t make sense to keep them listed if you are selling 20 of those per year (the 20 is a made up number but you get the point).

I get it about Tesla Service. My experience with them is much better than it was with VW. X/S haven’t been sold in my market (Australia) for years sadly. Not worth it making RHD ones and shipping them here I guess.

And I would buy a X over a Y.

Porsche is so far behind the EV race. Unreliable, slow, subpar range.

That settles it. 2 to 1 in the SX over 3Y contest.

this already happened bro

> Both the S and the X are too big for Europe Even Elon has acknowledge that at one point, describing the pain to find a parking spot in Berlin with the X.

The problem with the EQS is that even the ten year old S looks better next to it. That's why I a lot of people chose neither and why they are being sold at huge discounts, especially the used ones. I do sometimes fantasize about buying an S or even a Plaid (they're not too expensive when used) but it would probably be a problem to fit in my parking-space (and maneuvering out of it) to begin with...

It’s 20cm longer and 10cm wider. That’s quite a lot.

Tesla is no longer S3XY in Europe.

Musk and his big mouth.

The new 2025/2026 refresh S and X have only been delivered the past 2 weeks in California. They are only manufactured in Fremont. They are not made at GigaBerlin

I didn't say that, what's wrong with you? I'm just saying that he's referring to an interview which preceded the current refresh. They're not going to make 2 refreshes in a year lmao.

Sorry wrong parent comment. My b

AFAIK, the Model X is only made in Fremont for all global markets. At least my 2020 model for the EU market was and as I understand it. I recall seeing this somewhere more credible than the back of my mind but haven't found it just yet!

Literally every country. 4.7m is a loooong car however way you put it

Happens every time there's a refresh. The order page goes down everywhere but in North America, and then it takes ages for other countries to be onboarded to the refreshed versions. Unless Tesla officially announces that they have no plans to bring the refreshed S and X to market in some country, I wouldn't bet a dime on it.

BEV and HEV sales have been surging in the EU — what are you taking about. Petrol/diesel sales have been cratering; down by 21%. https://cleantechnica.com/2025/07/29/eu-overtakes-the-rest-of-the-world-except-china-in-ev-adoption/ Audi, Porsche and MB have made some horrendous strategic choices and are also getting double fucked by the complete collapse of their Chinese sales + tariffs in the U.S.

Looks are too personal to be discussed, used prices pretty nice for who wants one and irrelevant for owners who are happy and want to keep the one thet have. Until there is true self drive, V2G and Solid State batts, my EQS stays in my garage.

Answer the question

You can just use their chargers.

Italy, southern France and rural Germany. We in Europe generally have a lot of very narrow roads that have existed for hundreds of years, originally made for horse carriages, old garages and parking lots built for much smaller cars from the 20th century and especially southern France and Italy are famous for having some extremely narrow city planning from before anyone had personal vehicles.

I see lots of big SUVs in all of these areas. People don't care. They buy big cars regardless. Driving around, my Model 3 is never a big car on the road compared to the other traffic.

Compared to the *average* other traffic, it factually is.

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Crap cars, for the money. No surprise here.

Yes, but the range increase was promised with the Plaid+, and they gave up on it.

There are still a lot of X and S on the road tho.

It’s hard watching Tesla sales in Europe crater. In Copenhagen it felt like 1/3 of the cars were Teslas. The only other American brand you would EVER see there is the occasional Ford. Just such an incredible fumble. And for what? Was being the co-president for a few months worth it?

How is the EQS compared to S/X (assuming you have the sedan)?

That is a pretty broad question. And not that easy to answer as I have drives the EQS now for nearly 3 years (55k km) and the Model S only 4 or 5 times. I can say though that I really like the EQS. The comfort level is bevond what I have ever had. It is really silent, chairs are great, although in the rear its not up to standard. Unless you buy an expensive option. The S is good as well but notably noisier. I like the MBUx system so much that it would be a reason to buy a Mercedes again by itself. They copied most of the good stuff of Tesla I think. I think Teslas Infotainment is probably as good but I found it harder to get used to. But my Tesla friend said for him its the other way around. The hyperscreen which I have is only useful if you have someone on the passenger seat. But thats the case for em so a plus Drivers assistance systems work extremely smooth and logical. Tesla FSD has more functionality but I am already very happy with what I have. Performance and Speed is less than Model S. But way more than I will ever use. I dont drag race and we have strict speedlimits so I only experience its capabilities when I overmaken and then I am very impressed. I dont really energy consumption of the S, but I manage to use only 16.1kwh p 100km. Which is below the WLTP. The app says average is closer to 20 so thats my driving style. I only used it on long distance btw. We have a small car for shopping etc. The only improvement I would see is better stats in the back.

I agree. I live in Germany and have a double Garage. The model S parked in the garage took up so much space it was hard to get into and the rear door wanted to crash into the ceiling when you opened it! Parking in a Parkhaus; you really have to pay attention to stay in the lines. If you have another large car next to you, you need to be a gymnast to get into and out of the car. Driving it is a dream though. I have a 2019 Model 3 and all is good. It is as large as the German models in the same class, in spite of what some Germans disclaim here. Generally very large cars are a pain in the city in Europe. There is a lot of pushback in Europe on the larger SUVs. I believe Paris even has some restrictions on SUV parking, depending on size?

Schlecht recherchiert. Das war bei der Einführung vom Raven exakt genauso. Und auch bei der Umstellung auf Palladium. Peinlich wie viele ahnungslose Geringverdiener hier sind

What repairs are expensive for you? I’m considering getting a model s, but I’m a little concerned with tires being a big issue, and whatever else you may have encountered?