A World Where All Is Free? That’s Elon Musk’s Theory of ‘Sustainable Abundance.’

Not sure how this is any different to Jesus's promise of an eternal life for his followers. Same Messianic energy.

It is. These guys think they are gods.

only a fool would say that

The fool has no understanding whatsoever of economics or he would understand that resources are finite, and therefore infinite wealth is an immpossibility. He would also understand how completely ridiculous it is to build data centers in space or try to establish colonies in space where they is little to no economic benefit to be had compared to what is invested.

As a big fan of "luxury space communism" and post-labour societies, what these billionaire fucks don't understand is that they won't be special any longer when money stops having value.

im starting to think this musk fella might not be very trustworthy

In his defense: he knows more about things than probably anybody else and he usually delivers on time. So I don’t see any problems here. Sure, he could probably end world hunger right now. But where’s the fun in doing that without robots? Edit: I was so damn sure I didn’t need to put a „/s“ at the end after the „on time“ bit and the part about the robots … but that one’s on me, I guess. Ahem … IT‘S SARCASM, GUYS! Elon Musk will promise anything and everything because all the money in the world can’t buy him the feeling of being genuinely loved and respected the way he thinks he deserves. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

“You won’t need money anymore,”says world’s greediest person after demanding trillion dollar pay deal and cutting public funds for humanitarian aid.

So is Elon gonna share his fortune or nah? If his past actions are anything to go off of, that’s gonna be a no.

It’s all a grift. He’s selling us peasants a dream where in reality he is king.

"knows more about things than probably anybody else" No, The only thing he knows a lot about is grifting. He is a f****** idiot, anything I've ever heard him say about subjects I have even passing knowledge of he reveals himself to be embarrassingly ignorant. He can occasionally manage to repeat what an actual expert has said without f****** it up.

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He means infinite resources...for him

>In his defense: he knows more about things than probably anybody else and he usually delivers on time. Elon Musk delivery on time? WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DUDE!?!!?! edit: I see it's sarcasm. It makes sense now. /edit You mean, he usually doesn't deliver on his promises *at all*, and when he does, *it's usually years behind or involves some totally illegal scheme?*

We have some resources in great abundance. It’s possible that a robot could be made out of only materials which are plentiful in their raw form in nature. If those robots are supplying labor on a par with human labor then maybe a robot economy could boot strap itself without too much imposition on the ecosystem or the human economy. There cannot be abundance for everyone when a few at the top of the society are given leeway to consume infinitely though.

>It’s possible that a robot could be made out of only materials which are plentiful in their raw form in nature. Not really no. Even steel is manufactured... So, no, there's nothing. Sorry.

Reddit and sarcasm, it's like forbidden love, an impossibility.

Okay well. It doesn't read like it's sarcastic. People say stuff like that and mean it. These are fascists... Some people see Elon marketing deathtrap EVs and think "oh yeah trap the liberals in the burning car dude, that's so smart dude! Yeah! Rip them off by selling them a crappy EV that's way over priced and then trap them in the car when it's on fire!" Because they view everything from the perspective of warfare... "That's what winning means." /vomit I'm sure Elon thinks that it's hilarious. I hope you can see what the Cybertruck is now. He legitimately created the biggest piece of crap he could possible because he's so egotistical, that he "thought that he could sell anything to anybody." He thought: "Have somebody who is mentally incompetent design the vehicle. It doesn't matter. I will still sell it. We'll make tons of money."

Go to some other forums and you'll see why /s is necessary.

We have had industrial robots for a while now. Factories are still not infinitely productive. Humanoid robots will not change this, just think about it: why would imposing a form factor limit of "humanoid" on industrial robots improve their performance? It won't.

100% smashed it. If you want "efficient robots" then they have to be designed "to do a specific process." So, you "optimize the design of the robot for the task it accomplishes." The humanoid robots are the polar opposite of that. It's not "reverse engineering" because that's a legitimate process. This is "backwards engineering" where they engineer the product to be as expensive and bad as theoretically possible. There's already a system that accomplishes highly generalized tasks: It's called human beings. So, humanoid robots are the worst case of "reinventing the wheel" of all time. Even for war: What's the point? We have drones... What do you think is going to be more effective? A cheap quad copter that zips around at super speed, or a humanoid robot that slowly walks around?

One of the biggest conmen on this planet. Send him to mars

Seriously. Have you seen industrial injection molding machines? They'll pop off a dashboard every 1-2 minutes. Does Tesla think they can have a bunch of humanoid robots whittle down a hunk of plastic into a dashboard in that time? Fingers and hands and walking are stupid constraints for a factory robot. The only function a humanoid robot would outperform a specialized robot is a ........ sex bot. So I suppose Tesla is about to transition to its final form of sex toy manufacturer.

The only way that I can see an infinite resource utopia being possible is for technology levels to develop into something like Star Trek, where they live in a society that has a technology that can convert obscenely large amounts of energy directly into any type of matter they want. Food, shelter, toys, whatever. And part two to this is that they are a Type 1.5 civilization that can produce and harvest so much energy that it's effectively limitless. So boom, everyone can have anything they'd like at any time (anything that's copacetic with a lawful, peaceful society anyway), and there's little strife among the population because there isn't much unfulfilled want. Needless to say, we are a looooooooooooonnnnng way from that. And nothing old Elon's doing is going to move the needle much in that direction.

The BullShit is strong with this one…

Odd lookin’ duck. . . The more I learn about this fella, the less I care for him

He'll talk about it ad nauseam, without realizing that schlubs like him, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc. would be utterly nondescript and unaccomplished within such a society.

Yeah it’s stupid he says that shit, telling people not to save for retirement, all while he tries his hardest to be even richer.

Genuinely - how tf are outlets like the NYTimes still writing headlines like this

Another use case is to care for the elderly. Basically anywhere the feelings of the user are considered. War and manufacturing are not one of those.

It isn't, Elon Musk has a massive messiah complex and this is just one of the more recent ways it's manifested itself. Look at some of his comments around Mars and 'expanding the light of human consciousness'. His doomerism around humanities survival if he personally doesn't establish a Mars colony. His general narratives about him personally being the only person capable of saving humanity or 'western society' from some claimed disaster (global warming, "free speech", "woke mind virus", etc). His general commentary about how difficult those goals are and what they require him (he's a martyr in his own mind). His weird personal breeding obsession and desire to have his offspring run Mars (probably under the auspices of good genetics but much different from the idea of divine blood). He literally thinks he's the most important person in the world and its purpose to save humanity and lead it to some new 'level' of existence. It's usually wrapped up in sci fi analogies and concepts but at its heart it's still just good ol' fashion messiah complex.

It's nonsense and not worth talking about. I'm wondering if anyone has been wrong more often than Elon Musk.

Will I every learn? Probably not.

I thought I was laying it on pretty thick. But I miscalculated. Please excuse the confusion.

Steel is manufactured out of abundant resources. I don’t feel like you put much thought into reading what I wrote. If you aren’t going to think for even a moment about what someone wrote why spend the effort to reply to an argument no one made and only a really really stupid person would?

>I don’t feel like you put much thought into reading what I wrote. Homie, you're discussing something that is impossible. Steel does not naturally occur in nature. So, WTF are you talking about? There is no such thing as "steel it's raw form." You're making stuff up and then trying to tell me that I didn't put any thought in my statement? Hello?

>The only function a humanoid robot would outperform a specialized robot is a ........ sex bot. Exactly, they're just producing sex robots and are lying about what they are doing. Wow, a bunch of people perusing humanoid robots, happen to be buddies with Jeffery Esptine. I wonder what they're thinking? And no, I doubt the age of the robot matters. So, I know they're thinking that "they've finally solved the problem." Because that's legitimately the only problem that humanoid robots actually solve: Pedophiles will finally have something that they're allowed to play with. They can live out their "inhuman and totally disgusting" fantasies with: "Not a human." Seriously: What other task is being solved by humanoid robots that can't be solved for way less money with a normal robot?

Reality: The poors will get 5 beans per day, and 10 grains of synthetic rice.

The Mars he is no longer in sending people too on a one way mission?

Yeah Mars was eclipsed by saving free speech and ending wokism a while ago and apparently global warming isn't anything to worry about too, or at least so he claimed after backing Trump's agenda. I forgot to add the whole "I can halve the federal budget" bullshit he's still claiming but also saying it's not possible because some shadowy collection of legislators is preventing him from doing so because they're making too much money on it. Turns out actually being some kind of savior is hard when you aren't really a divine being and just some stunted rich weirdo.

As an engineer, I would argue that there is room to create an optimized sex robot that would not be humanoid at all

It will be used for war. Walking around, aiming a gun and pulling the trigger is not that hard to do for a robot. In fact physical violence is a very good use case for humanoid robots, it does not require the same precision that other tasks do.

Nothing but prosperity gospel.

Trustworthy? Heck he's probably not even smarter than the average IT department head.

You know what’s a hell of a lot easier than building a viable humanoid robot? Redesigning a gun so that it can be operated without human hands.

You could even put wings or rotors on it so it isn't constrained by terrain, or propel it at great speeds using a cannon or a rocket motor.

robots in elder care isn't going to lead to "sustainable abundance".

or intelligent...

shhhh, you're wrecking the grift....

“Everyone will have everything they need” says guy who literally killed millions of poor people by slashing humanitarian aid.

> I don’t feel like you put much thought into reading what I wrote. That matches the energy put in, because you didn't put much thought into what you wrote.

Are you channeling Dax Shepard's character from idiocracy? No response can possibly be well thought out enough that someone who feels they are above having to think about things won't be able to bungle it an then attack a strawman.

Elon does not believe in sustainable abundance. Less than a year ago he claimed we had such severe scarcity that he had no choice but to shut down USAID and sentence more than a hundred thousand of the world’s most vulnerable poor children to die. Way back in 2025 we could not afford 0.3% of gdp to help the poorest of the poor, now he is telling us he believes there will soon be so much abundance that everything will be free. Liar, sociopath, or both?

Nope, I'm not, you have to put thought into reading what I wrote. You are attacking a straw man here. The raw form of steel in nature is iron ore, and it is extremely common. As is the coal used to smelt the raw iron ore into steel (you have to process the coak into coke but that is also a very simple step). I think the big problem here is that you don't know how anything I made. Edit: Here, [I'll even throw in a source](https://corporate.arcelormittal.com/about/making-steel) >Steel is made from iron ore, a compound of iron, oxygen and other minerals that occurs in nature. The raw materials for steelmaking are mined and then transformed into steel

I know for a fact if this world were to end, all the poor people will be left behind and all the rich high profile people will be on Elon’s space ships to mars.

It’s almost like he’s a pathological liar.

I know, crazy right. Insane there’s so many that actually believe it too.

Muskrat means sustainable abundance for himself. He's got an overabundance of wealth that he sustains through scams, vapourware promises and welfare handouts.

I wouldn't trust Muck to tell me what day of the week it is.

He's known as being one of the least generous billionaires for charitable donations despite being by far the wealthiest.

The only scenario where you won’t need money will be because you are literally one of his slaves toiling away 7days a week on one of his projects and will be provided food and shelter free of charge. The ‘sustainable abundance’ will be all for him and his children.

If you want properly efficient robots, you also design their work area to support the the robots over human workers. Just see how a fully automated warehouse looks like. Throwing humanoid robots at the problem is just a weak attempt at replacing human labor. A humanoid robot working in an area designed for humans will never beat a specialized robot setup. The best use-case for them would be to support humans in areas where you have humans working, like healthcare. But that's assuming they'd somehow be good enough for that without extra decades of development.

He wears those dark sunglasses in interviews all the time now, because he’s probably high as a kite.

It won't help with any serious attempts at automation, in the same way that constraining FSD a camera based setup and limited processing hardware long before the company had anything resembling a functional solution only stymied its development. There's one reason and one reason alone Musk is pushing humanoid robots and that's because they're easier to market. Some idiot fanboy will gobble up the idea and post 50 grok generated photos of Optimus throwing a frisbee around with junior while mom and dad sip long island ice teas and say "this is the future Elon Musk is building for us" . His target audience for this stuff isn't computer scientists, engineers or factory managers, it's dentists looking for a place to park $200k. Layered on top of all this will be some claim that Tesla is the best company in the world at manufacturing and this will all work out fine because the unit cost for each robot will be $25k or something where as actual machines designed for high uptime and sustained heavy duty usage are expensive (for a reason!). It's like them repurposing Model S parts for the Semi initially, oh we'll save so much money until they start burning through axles and bearings every 10k miles because nothing is sized right and everything is running 50-100 degrees hotter than it should be. Pretty much everything Musk does is just marketing sci fi ideas from books published decades ago or business proposals from the .com era that never took off as technologies that are just over the horizon today. He'll never offer an actual solution to the technical problems involved because he doesn't understand them or believe they exist. He's not actually an engineer he's a FOMO marketer who has somehow managed to maintain credibility despite being wrong about so many things and his general idiocy on Twitter.

Oh I know. Dude said he’d end world hunger but needed to know where every penny went. When the organization agreed he backed out.

The billionaires who are fighting tooth and nail to pay you a living wage for your work now, want you to believe they are just going to give you free money for doing nothing in the future. Sounds legit.

He was never going to knowingly help non-white people.

New grift

from the petulant neo fascist man child hoarding the most resources and money on the planete

Elon is a pathological liar

Elon: Step 1: buy my robots Step 2: pay me for maintenance Step 3: infinite abundance for me

Correct. That's how authoritarians operate. They discuss "how to get rich" with out explaining that it's "their plan to get rich." So, they use "their plan to lure you into their scheme because they don't tell you all of the plan. The part you know sounds good to you." That's how they operate. "They flip everything around to create a Machiavellian view or something, that doesn't actually make any sense, so you can't figure out which direction is up."

Yes, classical manipulation, in this case is “I accumulate disgustingly much wealth to save humanity”, only a dummy would fall for this.

Right and then he's going to say that "greed is the source of all evil, so he's doing the world a favor by keeping the wealth safe from greedy people. If it's not him doing it, then somebody else will, and they're the enemy, so that's bad. So, he's not greedy or the bad guy for doing what he is doing. He's actually the victim because he has to dedicate his time to fighting the enemy." That's how they justify their "do no work lifestyle." Because "time not work is money."

Yeah bro the guy that brags about building a "robot army" that he "wants full control over" is totally gonna build a utopia for the peasantry.

He's not trying to do that, he's trying to make people believe he's gonna do it and that it's some next level hack until the IPO clears

\> he's trying to make people believe he's gonna do it That's been his life's scam but this is also an insane person. A lot of these maniacs have a tendency to believe their own bullshitl.

Didn't he say something last year about how people should be working at least 80-100 hours a week?

Yeah and he doesn't do any. Mhmm. Obviously, the slave owners, used all sorts of tricks, like psychological tricks, to get their slaves to be more productive.

Musk is the ultimate turd burglar. He steals bad ideas a makes a shit sandwich out of them. Robble, robble!

Not nearly as many as there were three years ago. Still, it's very sad that ANYBODY still believes ANYTHING he has EVER said. It's sad that "I will never run out of sheer idots to scam" is still such a viable business model.