No punishment for past lies - if you pretend to stop lying now. Even California is too pussy to punish Elmo how disappointing.
How many people have been injured or killed by letting this lie carry on for 3 years while they argue about it?
Wasn't that bullshit like a $15k option 10 years ago? And no one who paid for actually ever got what was advertised?
“Autopilot” Showing 1 to 10 of 383 Results. in that 1 list that apparently is only 2% of all the docs! Where’s the Maxwell Files!!?
yeah no shit. 10 years of "full self driving" lying to customers worldwide and no one punishes that. its insane.
Correct I feel like I've been taking crazy pills... for the entire decade of following this complete fraud
California law makers & local government are a bunch of woke & incompetent to do anything right. Do you want to talk about the status of a high speed train? Over $20 billion Homeless money disappeared?
It stops using misleading autopilot and instead uses not misleading at all [checks the notes] Full Self Driving.
Way too many
One is too many.
Exactly
This is actually a really massive issue that could and should hurt Tesla's vehicle sales in the US. If the feature previously known as "Autopilot" is no longer standard, and their cars now require the $100 monthly subscription to get both Autopilot and FSD, then those potential customers who didn't want FSD but did want Autopilot are now shit out of luck! Since Tesla didn't lower their vehicle prices in conjunction with this change, this is also considered shrinkflation. Other brands offer similar features for like $2k+, so new Tesla customers just lost a $2k+ option with no MSRP reduction. Tesla also got rid of the ability to buy FSD outright for $8k. Over a 15 year lifespan on the vehicle, that would cost the customer about $44 a month. Even less per month if the customer transferred FSD to a new vehicle, whereas the one FSD purchase would last over 15 years. For those that now opt for FSD at $100 a month, you're paying about 127% more than the old price. That's $1200 per year, or $18,000 over a 15 year lifespan. That's crazy, especially given that a LOT of customers weren't even willing to spend the $8k... or $44 a month in the first place! $18k is more than they were charging at the peak of FSD's price... which i think was like $15k-$16k? So... essentially, this is an MSRP price hike on account of the loss of a $2k+ standard feature, and a massive price hike on FSD. Now, I'm no economics major, but I was under the impression that if you increase price then demand tends to recede... To make matters worse, there's no guarantee the customers are locking in this price. What if FSD finally does become feature complete? Does that mean Musk can suddenly jack up the price to $300 a month? What can the customers do about it? As we know, vehicle sales make up a tiny percentage of Tesla's share price. Tesla's far more preoccupied with growing share price through robots and their own fleet of robotaxis... Does Elon Musk really think people are that funking stupid? Then again... given how often he pathologically lies to everyone to pump his stock... uhhh... yeah he probably does think people are that funking stupid. Actually...\*looks at the share price\*... he might be right... \_\_\_ Why do this? Musk is hoping to push customers who don't want FSD into buying FSD at over double the price it previously cost, by tricking them into thinking the price is lower because it's split into smaller monthly payments. If enough people are gullible enough, this could actually pump Tesla's profits. However, maybe more pressing for Musk, is he needs 10 million FSD subscriptions to get the first tranche of his $1 trillion pay package. In his mind, the world is a video game, and as a result of his incredible inferiority complex, narcissism, apathy, and god complex, he's attempting to cheat his own customers in order to claim he's the top player. Cheat at a game... like when he got caught cheating in Path of Exile 2 last year. What a tool.
Do you want to talk about securities fraud? What DOGE *really* did? Or Musk and the wild pedo parties in the Epstein files?
$8k outlay at 6% opportunity cost is $40/mo for LIFE (assuming no salvage value). I thought long and hard about buying it for the past month but decided I'd rather have FSD on an R2 rather than play Elon's stupid games. I have Enhauto Commander on the CAN bus to give me close to "EAP" functionality on my 2023 at least.
no that was "FSD (beta)". AP has always been free.
The November 2022 crash on the Bay Bridge was caused by AP. https://www.ktvu.com/video/1147324 The Apple dude being driven into the dividing median while playing a phone game was on AP too. https://abc7.com/post/tesla-settles-with-apple-engineer-walter-huangs-family-who-said-autopilot-caused-fatal-mountain-view-crash/14635870/ Tho that one was probably 1/3 him, 1/3 Tesla, and 1/3 Caltrans fault.
If the car lasts for 15 years, then to pay for the FSD subscription the entire time will now run a customer about $18k! 2.25x more than it cost to buy FSD at $8k. Any customer doing the math will refuse to subscribe, or maybe they'll only subscribe for short stints, like before a road trip. Or worse, they may just opt to buy a vehicle from a different brand altogether. For those customers who never wanted FSD, they no longer have the option to get just autopilot, so with the removal of that standard feature without a reduction in MSRP, the value of the vehicle has just dropped versus cost. Fewer people will be inclined to buy the vehicle.
The should have done this the second they named it as such
>California law makers & local government are a bunch of woke & incompetent to do anything right. But clearly you think the conservative officials are great, right? How well does the power grid in Texas work when there's a problem? You know, because they fought hard to keep it decoupled from the rest of the country, cuz "Texas is great!" > Do you want to talk about the status of a high speed train? You mean the one that Elon derailed by pretending his stupid tube was a good idea?
No it was not. AP only became free in April 2019 in the form of crippled basic AP "lanekeep". At introduction in 2015(?) AP was $2k I think. At the end of 2016 as they transitioned to HW2, AP option disappeared and you could pay $4k for enhanced AP or $7k for FSD capability (or thereabout) and if you did not - you got no AP at all.
Yes. They should still be punished and punished further if they don't comply.
You almost can't blame Elon for his douchebaggery when the system rewards it so richly and punishes so lightly.
Here is what I could find with AI: “A conservative estimate based on available reports could place the number of fatalities at around 19 between 2016-2022, and injuries are likely in the hundreds due to the number of collisions involving the technology. These numbers could increase as further data from investigations and crash reports become available. For more precise numbers, looking at updates from the NHTSA or NTSB would provide the most accurate and timely information as investigations into individual crashes are completed.
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I stand corrected LOL. I only really started tracking Tesla's stuff when Hertz started buying them and I started renting them . . .
The sad thing is how many Tesla drivers say enthusiastically how FSD drives better than they can. Which shows how terribly they must drive. "It saw that pedestrian crossing that I didn't see", then proceeds to show a video where the pedestrian is clearly visible.
> [the judge ruled](https://electrek.co/2025/12/17/ca-judge-rules-tesla-lied-about-fsd-must-fix-marketing-within-60-days/) that Tesla’s use of “Autopilot” to describe its ADAS features is misleading and violates state law. Hold on! Its been Tesplained to me by many a Branch Elonian Escquire that "Autopilot" is no different than autopilot on an airplane or ship, and the term isn't deceptive at all. I'm not sure this judge has ever even landed a rocket.
The infamous "Paint it Black" faked video pre-dates "FSD". Here's Technogrifter's missive to his minions on how to fake it: *"Just want to be absolutely clear that everyone’s top priority is achieving an amazing* ***Autopilot*** *demo drive...Since this is a demo, it is fine to hardcode some of it, since we will backfill with production code later in an OTA update...I will be telling the world that this is what the car will be able to do, not that it can do this upon receipt."* It was only after it became clear that AP would never be autonomous did her start FSD Beta and all the subsequent iterations. The initial offering in 2014 was a $4k "software activation fee". And really between AP and FSD was "Summon" - from 2016: *"In \~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY"* It was only later that "Summon" was downgraded to slow motion parking assist. And even later came the iterations of "Advanced" and "Actually Smart" summon. You really need a flow chart to map the path from AP to Unsupervised FSD.
Miss seeing your posts around here. Thanks for chiming in, even if only for a small comment like this.
Sounds like you Should be on a Trump sub, not here
How about maintaining the suspension until they make good on a functioning FSD or refund everyone's money?
Purchased an X in 2021. Elon stated we are very close. He can warp time, this has been the longest couple of weeks ever!
I'd make an exception for Elmo.
That would be such great irony.
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