Tesla 'Robotaxi' adds 5 more crashes in Austin in a month

oof. stock ab to go up

lol and you know it’s being driven by people, like Waymo.

500 by eow. lol.

That’s why we need Optimus to drive them. You can preorder one for $2k, ($5k for the founders edition). Delivery starting soon (tm).

Hitting a stationary object at 17 mph, assuming it is solid and of sufficient size, is a pretty significant crash. Hitting a “stationary” cardboard box might not count…

Why do we need autonomous vehicles when Optimus will be driving our existing cars soon?

What the heck is the safety monitor doing?

Because Optimus occupies a seat. How are you going to convince that state trooper that you were just sitting at the wheel and not driving (hypothetically speaking, if there was unsupervised FSD available)?

Good point! I guess thats why Felon needs to remove the wheel entirely. That way tesla will be fully responsible for any bad driving....right? *Right?*

They’re up to 1 per taxi now I reckon. Winning! 🤣🤣

Looks like the market may finally realize tsla is selling snake oil and vaporware...

But Optimus has no controls below the waist, how is it going to operate pedals?

NeXt Year™

Even more so, apperently people forgot that Tesla claimed their teleoperators will be able to physically drive the vehicles

Unless the cardboard box has something solid in it.

Probably not wanting to get sued by taking responsibility of what the vehicle is doing....

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Seriously tho the bigger news is not in the headline. Apperently one of the previous accidents was upgraded to include hospitalization but was done quietly without any public reporting? That is really suspicious  What's even more questionable is the claim that it was 2 mph turn into an SUV that caused the accident that resulted in hospitalization. Whiplash (and other injuries) don't result in hospitalization so idk if I trust it was just a 2mph collision with an suv

The newly filed NHTSA data also reveals that Tesla quietly upgraded one earlier crash to include a hospitalization injury, something the company never disclosed publicly. That is very concerning  What's even more questionable is the claim that it was 2 mph turn into an SUV that caused the accident that resulted in hospitalization. Whiplash (and other injuries) don't result in hospitalization so idk if I trust it was just a 2mph collision with an suv

So how much will the stock go up now?

Either way it doesn't matter, it drove straight into it at 17 mph, meaning the cameras didn't "see" the object that was directly in front of the vehicle

More news from the obvious desk at 5.

Tesla, or perhaps Musk, is not much different than Trump, some people have made up their mind and will never change or admit a mistake regardless of the facts. Elon has been spouting blantant lies since 2016 about the capabilities of all his companies and there will always be millions that swallow all of it hook, line and sinker.

💯

Yeah, like a cardboard box full of bricks

I'm not doubting this, but where are all the videos of these "crashes"? Everyone's got a camera and everyone is recording their rides to post on social-media, right? It seems whenever a Waymo screws up, there's always recordings. But none of these?

Calls!

Waymo has far more vehicles running and as a result they are more likely to be filmed in an accident even though they have fewer accidents than Robotaxi. There are so few Robotaxis and they are doing so few miles that we don't have very many videos of their accidents, but they are out there.

Hmm 4x worse? That’s only if assuming that safety drivers didn’t prevent a single crash

LMFAO! “BuT hE’s A GeNiUs!!!1!1!” 🤣🫵🖕

I’m shocked- as of this comment, TSLA is down 2.88%

Like I said, I believe these Robotax accidents are real -- and, in fact, I'm surprised there's not more accidents involving them -- but what you're saying doesn't really add up. If I'm a passenger in a Robotaxi, Waymo, or Uber (for that matter) and there's a "crash", I'm filming at least the aftermath (if nothing else, just for evidence). And how may Robotaxis are in-service is not going to be a factor to me when I film it. \*\*EDIT\*\* : one these accidents involved a "bus" too.

That's an interesting point, now I'm curious as well.

Way to go Eleanor Musk!!!!

Calls. This can only mean calls.

All the Robotaxi passengers are cult members. If course they aren't going to film it. Or if they do, they certainly aren't going to post it online and risk being evicted from the cult.

Conclusion is that FSD should drive faster always as these happens slow speeds

>virtually every single one of these miles was driven with a trained safety monitor in the vehicle who could intervene at any moment, which means they likely prevented more crashes that Tesla’s system wouldn’t have avoided. This is what all the Tesla FSD robotaxi fanboys can't ever admit. Even if FSD's accident rate is low (it's not) it's because every time FSD would have made a mistake, a human takes over and bails it out. It's like the flakiest employee in the world getting commended for perfect performance because he has a friend who is endlessly willing to cover his shift whenever he's too hungover to come in. The second you take the human out of the hot seat and ask "how does FSD do if nobody is covering its mistakes?", it consistently fails at inhuman rates. That's why it's always been bullshit when Tesla stans say "it's the supervisors fault for not correcting FSD's mistakes." If you actually cared to see how far along L5 autonomy is, you'd want to see what it does when the human isn't hijacking control and concealing the actual failure modes.

Also, the FSD software is designed to turn itself off when it knows a collision is imminent so that the crash gets characterized as human error. This is why their “low” figure of FSD crashes is so misleading and dishonest as far as I’m concerned. I’m not sure if this is the same for the robotaxi debacle but I’m guessing dishonest reporting is in effect.

Sometimes he does go "next decade", like the mars base we were supposed to have in 2028. Just as inaccurate/vaporware though.

Nope!

Maybe early next year.

I am starting to think Tesla excels at suspicious.

Reminder that Tesla is the only “autonomous” ride service that doesn’t report the full details of its crashes. Gee, wonder why that is

In most states that would be more than enough points to have your license revoked and insurance cancelled.

Wanking to midget porn on Tiktoxic.

It's also down almost 20% from 2 months ago. When it breaks 390 it will freefall to about 300 where it likely won't remain too long before it breaks support again. The beginning of the end is here. Confidence is lost. The only thing holding it is big investors don't want to start a panic by dumping all at once.

His dishonesty goes back much farther than that, to the very beginning.

This is why it doesn't belong on the road, not even as a trial.

Over what? They certainly don't have any peripheral vision or awareness via remote control with just a camera.

Bullish

the speed is I think the speed of the Tesla, not of the SUV. Without the narrative it's impossible to know if the Tesla cut infront of a moving SUV and slammed its breaks (could even be the safety monitor hitting the panic button) thus causing the accident. Or if the Tesla was coming to a stop somewhere and got hit by an SUV trying to sverve away from something else, i.e. not at all the fault of the Tesla just a freak accident.

I believe the limited information that was available is the Tesla turned into the side of the SUV and hit the SUV on the side

That is just what Tesla claimed when they released the entire thing (or musk claimed in a tweet.. can't remember which).

Huh, the SUV would need to travel quite quick and hit something else as a result of the Tesla nudge for 2 mph from the Tesla to be enough to cause a hospitalization in that case. Sounds like it could be one of those cases of the Tesla running a red? FSD has had that issue for a while now, though the safety monitor really should've caught that...

This doesn't seem to include crashes in SF. They have 3x as many robotaxis in the Bay Area vs Austin (majority probably in SF, I see them frequently), but I'm guessing they are able to hide all of the crashes there because there's a safety driver behind the wheel. Given the complexity of driving in SF, I wonder how much worse the numbers are here, and whether they're putting pedestrians at undue risk.

That's the problem, it doesn't add up how a Tesla driving at 2mph causes a hospitalization injury. The question is, is Tesla lying on their reports or is there more to the story that Tesla is intentionally withholding ... Either way it isn't good  Remember Tesla is required to report incidents and they intentionally waited 6 months to update this one with hospitalization and didn't bring any Attention to it, which usually means they are trying to hide something

yeah the rise from $300 to $400 late last year was total BS. Buyers can push this stock around at will, alas. 52-wk low 214.25 52-wk high 498.82 that's just nuts!

Yeah but the only way to hide it this long would be for the hospitalization to be their safety monitor right? I mean why wouldn't someone else talk? It's a crazy risk buying their silence, since if that comes out it would be even worse. But the safety drivers probably signed NDA's that cover even this so they would be fucked all the way over if they talk. And it wouldn't look as bad for Tesla, we all kinda assume they have draconian NDA's because all companies do. But hiding the Tesla speed sounds like such a dumb way to do it, that would be in violation with NHTSA rules. Oh well, I guess there's really no point speculating with this little information available.

Im sure if your car is [feature]-by-wire then it can just slot itself into the odb2 port like a dirty slut. I don't think brake-by-wire is a thing.... maybe we need one of those handicap steering wheels with all the controls on top?

Concerning!!! (Elon, if this was another EV company)

Soon? Next year? /s Should I hurry and order mine right away before the end of the quarter, so that Elon can book more $$$ on vaporware, to top up the Roadster 2 deposit bank accounts?

Because Robotaxi rides are only available to Elon's hardest dick riders, who'll never post these videos. Also who knows what kind of 20,000-word contract they force you to sign for the pleasure of taking that ride.

Who knew that driving third hand from a "chase" car might be dangerous.

Optimus will just be an H1B Indian in a neoprene suit.

Nah they already did that one...

"crash" 1 of them was a crash 1 of them was a f\*\*king bus driver hit one that was parked, and the other 3 are that it backed into an object at less than 1 mph. I've had uber drivers do worse in one trip.

Omelettte...eggs...just given Elon more money so he can save us all.

Can’t wait for the scale up of cars across america, I’m sure that’ll go great

Indians can dance better than that.

On Mars by 2026, AM I RITE???

It's possible the Tesla was going 2 mph at point of impact (perhaps the safety driver actually hit the brakes) but the SUV was going 30 mph because the Tesla failed to yield on a right hand turn. Can't be certain if the injury was in the Tesla or the other car given the level of information but a car punting another driving straight even at fairly low speed can result in hospitalization.

Wouldnt read too much in to that. Did it require hospitalization or did the passenger position him/her self for a lawsuit? If the accident was serious enough to actually warrant hospitalization, the car would have been a total loss and I think we would have seen pictures.

That isn't true for multiple reasons, the least of which is that you cant just hospitalize yourself to get a better position for a lawsuit, you have to meet medical intake protocols to be hospitalized. I would say claiming that the vehicle would need to be a total loss to warrant hospitalization is more reading into it then anything.

Remember Tesla is the only company that is hiding the vast majority of their data behind "trade secret" or "company proprietary".

I have been wondering about that with the reports, because they are so bare bones a lot can be speculated at. Is the speed that Tesla reporting at the point of impact (if they slam on the brakes, would that just be the speed after braking where impact occurred)? It is the same thing when they report a collision at 0 MPH, does that mean the Tesla was at a stop when it got impacted, or could the Tesla have slammed on the brakes Infront of someone and caused them to impact the back of it, but because the Tesla fully stopped prior to the impact it is being recorded as 0 mph?

I heard it was 10 crashes.

Would Optimus count for a car pool lane if it's the driver? 🤔

There's only so much delayed braking can do

“Alien technology”. It just turns out that aliens drive worse than an 85 year old with cataracts.

Are the ones in SF just the BS like Chicago where they are super tinted and a guy is driving? I didn’t think they were licensed for that yet and it’s a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

As the classic line goes: Elon Musk is just like Donald Trump, but for nerds.

These crashes happen at low speed like sub 10mph. I think any operator would think that the car would stop.

What might even be worse, in the long run, is that once Tesla/Musk does finally 'fail', those same people are going to spout off about how he would have succeeded, if it wasn't for those meddling Liberals.

> They certainly don't have any peripheral vision or awareness via remote control with just a camera. You do understand that there's more than one camera on a Tesla, yes? And that they could easily aggregate those cameras into a wrap around view, or several displays around the teleoperator. Done well (thought Tesla does that rarely), the visibility for an operator should be better than a live driver, due to a potential lack of blind spots from pillars. In reality, the latency will hamper remote driving a lot, especially if the need for a remote drive is responding to an emergency.

more crashes more value! 🚀🚀

It's all about safety! As self-driving cars are not really safe by now, it is much better to let robots use them instead of humans.

You’ve had a single uber ride that contacted 4 vehicles at distinct times and elected to stay in the uber?

I had an Uber driver in Orlando hit 3 cars and not even slow down, so yes dude. I have had worse uber drivers. Worse he didn't speak english (I believe he was Caribbean) and would not stop the car when I started yelling to stop the car. It's the only time I've ever contacted Uber and said I want a full refund and I want that guy off the damn road.

every single Tesla owner knows the shit isn’t even close to ready

That’s 5 more crashes than Optimus robots sold so far! Bullish! Oh, wait a minute..

and for the record there are only 200 robotaxis in service between all of Austin and San Fran combined