Well I for one am shocked and appalled. We’ve been assured repeatedly that FSD was measurably safer than a human driver. It’s almost as though fElon has been lying, just to increase profits. Okay… increase profits and avoid prosecution.
Unsurprising. All built on lies and obfuscations and Elon’s ‘feelings’ about how it should work.
Remember though, ‘everything’s computer’
I'll betcha it \*really\* sucks when your RoboTaxi crashes so hard that it's chase vehicle piles into your wreck too
I’m shocked…this data has come to light. I bet it’s even worse than this.
These Tesla stans are insufferable. They will tell you how radically transparent Tesla are being when they are following the legally minimally required disclosure standard and redacting every single thing they can
"We're not a EV car company. We're an AI self-driving company." "We're not an AI self-driving company. We're a robotaxi company." "We're not a robotaxi company. We're a humanoid robot company." "We're not a robotics company... look, can you guys please just give me a trillion dollars already so I can hang out with my best bud Trump and he won't be mad at me anymore? "
But FSD was safer, 100% of the crashes where the drivers fault for not interacting in time to stop it. /s
Typical Tesla. Junk.
Probably because the monitors stop paying attention like anyone else.
"... essentially a solved problem"
But there will be fully self driving..like next weekend? No ?
Moving on to the next big lie. Fanbois are salivating. Stock through the roof
No sarcasm needed…. I think that’s literally been their response.
The stat assumes humans crash every 200,000 miles. That seems rather excessive, doesn’t it?
But how is this possible? Everyone always say that they use FSD every day and don’t need to intervene.
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Like most things with Elmo, the jokes just write themselves!
Does this comparison take into account the type of roads that are being traveled on?
lol Was it Robo taxis the only thing keeping them around for the last year
You're right, but it's not all Elon's fault. We need some more science fiction movies and series to come out so he can come up with more of his totally original ideas. NetFlix, Apple, Amazon Prime, do better! For Elon, for us, for America!
BULLISH
IIRC, he gets a free pass on the lying, since he's humanity's Mars savior. All is good.
>However, that figure doesn’t include non-police-reported incidents. When adding those, or rather an estimate of those, humans are closer to 200,000 miles between crashes, which is still a lot better than Tesla’s robotaxi in Austin. Tesla is not ready to deploy an unsupervised Robotaxi, but if you believe the numbers that Fred gave in that article I have a bridge to sell you. One crash in 200k miles is NOT for accidents equivalent to the incidents that Tesla reported. Best I've heard is it's for accidents that meet threshhold for police reporting, but aren't reported. I don't know the actual rate for minor incidents like Tesla (and Waymo) have to report to the NHTSA, but it's far higher than 1 in 200k.
Well, when “crash” is so loosely defined as to encompass everything that happened with the Tesla-operated vehicles, 200,000 miles seems a lot more plausible.
> The stat assumes humans crash every 200,000 miles. Not sure if you're saying this number is high or low, but I haven't had a crash in 30 years, even on the receiving end.
I'm sure he is already thinking of the next pivot after his robots prove to be inferior to the competition. Have to keep the ponzi going somehow.
Tis' but a scratch!
Elon lies lies lies. All day every day
...by our competition using lidar
“We’re not a Company; we are a trading vehicle”
Ban that shit.
That news should pump the share price up again
Especially when you aren't doing anything other that watch.
What profits? Juice the stock price.
Oh, don't you worry. Apple is actively working on *Neuromancer*. You know, the most peachy iteration of cyberpunk dystopias. Next up on the *"don't invent the torment nexus"* list
Yikes! If robots weren’t bad enough, now we have to look forward to reanimated corpses taking our jobs!
Waymo is doing very well though. Guess all those sensors are indeed doing something.
This is the issue with the stats. The average human isn’t everyone. So even if Tesla was as safe as the average human it could have a worse safety record than you personally meaning it could actually increase total accident rates if taken up by safe drivers. The whole conversation around this is just dumb and dishonest right now. Tesla could clear it up if they wanted to be transparent. Only reason not to be is because it wouldn’t look good.
I dunno man. Headlines are one thing but an actual company offering reduced insurance rates for FSD is far more meaningful. https://www.lemonade.com/fsd
Is it profits though? IIRC it's just their stock prices, which is and has been divorced from reality for over a decade now Also obligatory - Elon settled a lawsuit to legally grant himself the title "co-founder" of Tesla, because he's not actually an actual founder
And Elon wants to unleash an all purpose bipedal humanoid robot army on us?
They arent.
I’m sure those crashes come with some great data to improve FSD.
Bro you probably haven't used it in a long time it's really good now I use it all the time and it works buttery smooth and it's totally easy to correct when it tries to drive off the road you're probably just a short
Thanks for the heads up, time to buy some shares, I guess.
Funnily enough it's probably even worse then what the article insinuates. Robotaxi doesn't operate in bad weather, while humans still do.
Yes but it is safer than a drunk toddler and therefore should be rolled out and mass produced. Tesler to the moon!!
Therefore stock goes up. :/
Elmo I know you are in here reading this shit. Just know that you are more cringe than you are wealthy.
Other than the child who was hit recently... They ran out between a car, not Waymo's fault, LOL. Might need more sensors.
Either way, Their success rate compared to Tesla is huge.
I mean, I think a lot of people probably use it as adaptive cruise control/lane guidance. Which almost every car has these days.
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