Jennifer Blaine was behind the wheel of a Tesla Model X on a state highway in Idaho in 2023 when the car suddenly swerved into the oncoming lane while driving through a “gentle southward curve,” a lawsuit alleges, and slammed into an oncoming semi truck hauling a load weighing 90,000 pounds. All four occupants — Blaine, her two daughters, and her older daughter's husband — were crushed and died at the scene. Autosteer was at fault for the accident, the suit alleges. Though it’s not as autonomous as Autopilot — and though it’s unclear if Autopilot was engaged at the time of the crash — the system should have kept the car in the lane as advertised. “Disengagement of Autopilot should not reduce the effectiveness of safety features the vehicle is equipped with,” the suit says.
Tesla ghouls have been shouting in chorus, not FSD, not FSD, ad nauseam.
Funny that the headliner attraction for getting a Tesla will also kill you. If it doesn't work on edge cases, it doesn't work period. Not to mention the rear doors will trap and kill your passengers. Where's the manual latch on the Model x rear doors? Under the carpet? Yeesh
It's time some compiles the Elon Body Count to spread around to warn people what death traps his machines really are.
Not really an edge case, keeping in the lane you are in and not driving into oncoming traffic. Tesla provably needs more cars driving into oncoming traffic so they can train their AI not to do it.
Stock up 5%?
Not really today, was published a few days back and I‘m sure the stock rallied then.
There should be some emergency strobes mounted in the bodywork of every Tesla, visible from any angle so that whenever autosteer or autopilot is activated, innocent drivers can make their own decisions about driving close to those death traps.
The article says AutoPilot was disabled, yet these fools expect it to still have autosteer when it is disabled. I think the driver assumed it was on, it wasn't and they crashed. If so, that is on them. That said, there is still emergency lane departure. The question is did someone disable emergency lane departure, or did it not work. If someone disabled it, that is not Tesla's fault. The settings available are to have an audible warning, or to have the car actually steer. I know many people with other cars with emergency lane departure features that disable it because it intervenes when they try to change lanes without signally.
Hell that is L2 basic stuff let alone L3 or L4
No, it's down, but not because of this. It's probably because Nvidia is demoed competing self driving yesterday
All Tesla passengers have to do is ask the front passenger for the manual from the glovebox and then spend a few minutes looking up the desired information for how to open the unpowered rear door while burning alive in a hellish inferno.
Very believable given the video from a month of two ago of a tesla suddenly veering into incoming traffic and eventually running into a dump truck.
Of course they do. Declining to purchase an additional subscription to un-nerf your car obviously means you and your family deserve to die.
Per Tesla's own owners manuals "AutoSteer detects lane markings, road edges, and the presence of vehicles and objected to intelligently keep Model 3 in its driving lane". So who cares if "autopilot" was disabled, this is specific to AutoSteer which Tesla advertises is specifically to keep you in your lane. The article also says auto steer was enabled, which doesn't require the entire autopilot suite to be enabled. The article is incorrect because it attempts to claim autopilot and AutoSteer are 2 different things when in reality AutoSteer is part of the entire "autopilot" suite, but it still doesn't negate the fact that AutoSteer is apparently at fault for not preventing the lane departure
Headline seems very unlikely. FSD is programmed to turn itself off just before crashes so it’s never the fault of Tesla. (Super genius thinking there from Mr Accountable)
The dog is what gets me. They’re so innocent
Bold to assume there is a paper manual. Is there?
The lane departure avoidance thing is definitely annoying and potentially dangerous. It will sometimes sound a warning for no reason at all, or because there is a car parked along the curb in your lane (though with room to move past it). The combination of the warning and whatever it does to the wheel can be alarming.
"2 9s of reliability is sufficient for a system that can kill you" - Elon
Yeah I feel bad for the family but they were stupid for buying a Tesla. BUT THE POOR DOG DID NOTHING 🐶😞😢
I don’t know the accident rate of Waymo, but they’re all over the streets of L.A. and I’ve seen them in Atlanta. I don’t mind them because they’re among the safest “drivers” on the road: they obey all laws, signal, and come to full stops. Unlike 90% of drivers here in L.A. I’ve seen one cause a problem when the traffic lights were out and when it got to the intersection its brain froze and there was a line of 15 cars behind it that couldn’t get around it. Point being: with regards to long-delayed Robotaxis from Tesla (shocker!), Google is eating their lunch. And, eschewing LIDAR is another safety concern. Waymo is proving its trustworthiness every day.
“We learned so much from this”-Tesla engineers.
I'm not sure this is accurate. If autopilot is off, I believe auto steer is as well. The only thing left would be the emergency lane departure corrective steering. Which as the name suggests is NOT a substitute for driving the car. I know this sub will find any way to hate Tesla, but at what point does the driver actually get some blame? They had neither full self driving nor autopilot engaged. In my opinion, if an emergency lane correction system works and saves your life, that is a bonus. The presence of such a system doesn't absolve you from actually driving the car.
Yes but do not worry. FSD disconnect right prior to the crash.
It’s already being done: https://www.tesladeaths.com/
I agree with this. There have been a few times where I thought autopilot was engaged, and next thing I was drifting into another lane. I can absolutely see this happening. I do wonder if all these features intended to make driving safer will have the opposite effect. Human nature doesn't change. People think they have a safety net and they lose focus. Personally I no longer use any of the driving assistance features. What's the point? I still have to pay attention, and if that's the case, I might as well just be driving. Driving isn't that hard.
Tesla's are death traps
Nah, it’s probably just a few clicks away on the touchscreen!
Great news! The stock will be up by 400% soon. The board is gonna pay $100 bajillion to Elon.
Full self driving any day now
I was given a month of free FSD. Automatic Cruise Control (ACC) works flawlessly in my Tesla and has proven itself to me in bumper to bumper traffic. Anyway, I turned on FSD the first time to try it out. Thirty seconds in, it turned on the left directional and proceeded to drive into an occupied lane where I'm literally looking at the car next to me. I grabbed the wheel, it resisted, I tapped the break and FSD disengaged in time to save us. I don't even use ACC anymore after that. Terrifying.
I mean that’s fair because Tesla will never have actual FSD.
We don't really know what the driver enabled. And we can't ask them. You only get Autosteer enabled if you enable traffic aware cruise. When you have both enabled it is AutoPilot. We also don't know if they driver disabled lane keep assist or not or if the lanes were properly marked.
When you move past the headline and read the article, you'll find that the family was not using FSD, just auto steer. The lawsuit is claiming Tesla is misrepresenting the safety of all of its autonomous features.
Ah, the Tesla Butchers Bill is long and distinguished.
First I thought the headline blamed the company and then I thought it was about an accident with a Tesla and it was just worded oddly and then I realized he is blaming Tesla the company, “intentionally misrepresented the safety of their vehicles." They are not even blaming FSD which is, in its name, completely misleading. It is so bizarre that the FTC has not been on their case over this kind of marketing. Whatever happened to the Austin rollout of a bazillion self driving Teslas anyway? No worries, the stock will go up because it always does. That is also bizarre but, wait, humanoid robots (do each of them come with a Tesla engineer in tow?) are coming soon, very soon, very very soon.
FSD is the most amazing thing ever! But if it kills anyone while you're using it, that's all on you, Buddy. Sometimes, however, that point is moot.
Fact I hate the term edge case. There’s thousands of one off experiences every damn day driving or not driving. If the product doesn’t work it doesn’t work I really don’t know how to explain it any better.
The use case for FSD is that you have to be a backseat driver for the technology, ready to grab the wheel in a split second. All for the low price of $8K.
Trusting Teslas Autopilot/Autosteer/FSD is a free ticket to a Darwin lottery.
At the end of the day it doesn't even matter because at a bare minimum there should have been LDA which doesn't require AutoSteer or any other autopilot. Unless the driver rammed the semi headon intentionally, there is no other real world scenario that the vehicle just magically veered into oncoming traffic and hit a semi headon outside Tesla's systems failing
This does not make much sense. How is AutoSteer supposed to have steered the vehicle when AutoPilot was not engaged?
Lane Departure Alerts can be turned off by the driver/car owner, or the driver may have ignored it. The driver also could have swerved to avoid an animal which ran off - this was at night. I wonder if this lawyer released the video.
Move fast and break things. Including innocent people’s spines.
It’s like covering an area with cones yet you still walk through it without caution. Seriously, people just won’t take personal accountability anymore.
except the glove box is controlled by the touch screen which is also now unpowered.
I've personally been jerked into the wrong lane by lane keep assist in rental cars. The technology fails all the time.
Full Self Driving it was sold as. Trump should be standing trial.
I'm assuming AutoSteer is Tesla's version of lane assist, if it is, lane assist can definitely physically turn the steering wheel. I use mine in my 2024 Hyundai Palisade and it works pretty well, able to take some relatively sharp turns at speed. With that said, I *always* have at least one hand still on the wheel and I'm *always* paying attention to what the vehicle is doing, especially when driving my wife and kid. Seems like this person put WAY too much faith in that feature.
At least not without lidar.
I have a Model X and FSD. It takes me into the opposite lane ALL the time.
But available only by subscription fee (which doubles if the car is on fire).
Just read the manual provided in the glovebox for the manual release method for the glovebox.
My dad has a model X and we stopped using the self driving mode when it swerved us into oncoming traffic. My dad quickly grabbed the wheel and pulled us back into our lane. The thing is, we were in the right lane and cut off a guy behind us, so we had time to stop the car from getting to the other side. I will definitely never use self driving anything while my family is on board. It’s not safe. It just isn’t.
It literally tried to swerve my dad and I into oncoming traffic. It shouldn’t even be legally allowed on the roads.
Of course autopilot was disengaged, .025 seconds before it drove into the truck.
Luckily DOGE killed off all the government agencies that were investigating Tesla for its dangerous technology and financial crimes so the stock price remained unharmed. Hopefully this brings the family some comfort.
They're separate settings. You can enable cruise control and auto steer which keeps you in the lane and speed or you can do autopilot which does everything.
I do not understand why we can't get a full refund on these death machines.
I have the older model and it is still shit
The award for one of the worst allegories ever, goes to you. What the f are you even trying to convey here?
Right. I love the car otherwise and got it before Musk went fully insane. He was creepily quirky, but not full on mad back in 2020. I'm crushed Tesla gave him his damn pay package to stay on, just to wreak more havoc.
Fast Self Destruction engaged …
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The lesson here is to never shit talk Elmo or the. Regime if you own a tesler. Elmo is watching
So Tesla hates dogs as well as humans is what I’m getting out of this.
I’m sure. I’m simply following Tesla’s example of misrepresenting things. When in Rome…
Here's the lawsuit: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/5vs627kwe/utah-district-court/blaine-et-al-v-tesla-inc-et-al/
All of this is why I don't trust ANY of this shit. It encourages a false sense of security and then during an emergency, relies on some dumbass human that gets confused using an ATM to respond quickly and safely. If you don't wanna actually ***drive*** ... ask someone else to do it. Or get a cab, jump on a bus or a train or fuckin walk. But by no means should anyone be piloting a 2 ton hunk of steel at 70mph who doesn't want to be doing it.
For those who don’t want to read theory article: This was not fsd, or auto pilot… this was auto steer that did this. A safety feature designed to prevent this sort of thing in the first place. It’s a base safety feature all cars come with and it malfunctioned killing this man family. I hope he wins and doesn’t settle.
couldve been a drug sniffing dog or a child-eating pitbull. you dont know
What do you figure (expert requested) a suit like this would cost? Digging into technical docs / computer forensics can't be cheap. Gotta be 36 - 48 months before it even hits a jury ? Contigency fee or are these the cases that outside investors look at for making a good return?
Yep its not fsd its lane assist which like other manufacturers is not going to control the car for you just alert when you breach the lane So what was this lady doing that she couldn't correct in time before slamming into an 18 wheeler
So is the glovebox latch.
And since the car is driving for you, your attention will naturally lapse. So if you have to suddenly take over you are probably unprepared.
Drug sniffing dogs are innocent.
Hey, *not all pitbulls!* Most pitbulls only eat cats and smaller dogs. /s
Workers put up cones to keep people out of sensitive areas like wet concrete. But people ignore those often and just walk through anyway. HTH
Model Xs seems a really weird investment right now. It just won't get the time of day like the other models and all the bits relative to the others are things likely to go wrong with no parts for them in the future.
It tried to stay in the lane by swerving into the other lane. It got confused. I don't have the evidence, this is what's being claimed and the data will bear out.
Or maybe .. just maybe.... A vehicle that has a documented history of swerving into oncoming traffic did just that? https://dawnproject.com/critical-safety-defects-in-teslas-full-self-driving-software-swerving/
It doesn’t look like it’s been updated since October though.
DLC downloading… please try again when you re-enter the service area.
>“Tesla’s done a lot of good things, in my calculation, but they did this inadequately,” family attorney Lynn Shumway told The Independent. “I think the technology is fantastic, but not the way Tesla is implementing it.” Such an insane quote from an attorney
Watching another person drive and being ready to intervene if they make a mistake is going to much more difficult and stressful than actually driving. There's a reason you need extra training to be a driving instructor.
Lane assist on most other cars will control the steering to prevent lane departure, it's not "just a warning".
Tesla disabled radar in the older cars, because of Elon.
Interesting there has been no follow up on the Scottsdale Tesla crash about a month ago where a Tesla bee-lined headfirst into a dump truck and whether FSD was engaged then. Consumers should have way more access to this information to make informed choices.
Do you get paid per comment or per defended point? Just curious.
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Per gluck, I believe.
Drive safe and be calm everyone!
Too many Tesla accidents to track. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xgjENzobA4U](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xgjENzobA4U)
This is horrible
>Though it’s in beta, the feature is available to Tesla owners for free, How is that beta test working out? How much longer are we going to allow tech companies to use their customers as unethical test subjects in their Machiavellian experiments? This stuff is disgusting and the people engaging in this behavior are clearly fascists...
It's a bunch of bots... It's legitimately chat bots... They're using chat bots to trick and manipulate people.
Instructions unclear, burned alive instead.
The manual release is behind speaker grilles in the rear doors on the Model X. The Model S release is under the rear seat and requires pulling back carpet. Frankly, I'm not sure how these are even legal. Regulations need to catch up. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html
LOL … good point. They probably have it available on that single screen on the dash. Just hunt for it through the menus when you get the power back on.🤪 Or maybe they could power it through the power of your screams?
With this kinda impact I doubt there's going to be much data, the low voltage battery likely got destroyed and so autopilot state never reached stable storage to know what happened.
Is eerie seeing how closed the dates are. How is the person getting the data btw? I feel like this is something Elon wants under wraps.
People still need to watch road and traffic when using FSD. It is only level 2. If accident happened, it is driver's responsibility. Tesla already make people know current FSD is only level 2, need driver's attention.
To be fair this was the auto steer they're claiming failed, not FSD. This has to be proven in court.
Bots but also a mix of $tsla stock holders and some very vocal hardcore fans. I like FSD and use it but I know it's limitations and document them on video.
Why are states so opposed to basic safety regulations???? All it takes is one state banning this "autopilot" trash.
Yeah that will work great until it swerves into oncoming traffic and you die instantly.
BUT UHHHHH HUMANS SOMETIMES GET DRUNK AND ALSO DRIVE JNTO ONCOMING TRADDIK I THINK YOURE BEING UNFAIRW ELONS AGENIUS AND EE NEEED TO WORSHIP HIM BECAUSE HE SSO SMART. FSD GETSINT O CRASHES 1400-1500% LESSTHAN HUMANS.
He probably wants this one under wraps too: https://teslaontrial.com/
It’s almost like the CEO of that company also owns the world’s biggest AI supercomputer or something. 🤔
Edge case has a specific meaning in engineering (it describes cases where a variable parameter is at it's limits - if X has a range of 0 to 100, 0 and 100 are edge cases, 1 to 99 are not; you'd test the edge values and some but not all the intermediate values). The scenario being described here wouldn't really be called an edge case.
Death by Elmo
The lane assist on my Infiniti QX60 is terrifying. It’s so so bad and will absolutely jerk right next to a semi all the time.
Tesla lawyers: The computer gave her control of the car 0.002 seconds before impact! That’s plenty of time for her to fix any issues!
There is not a physical manual.
Tesla stans are real and obnoxious. They may use bots to amplify their stock pumping but they certainly exist.
Yes, but it’s from like 27 updates ago
The omission of lidar in ‘23 and thereon is the main culprit. With cameras alone, autonomous driving just doesn’t work. I used to own ‘23 model 3 which was the first year model without lidar, and I noped the f out of it after autopilot attempted to kill me on a freeway.
"OH IT'S JUST A LITTLE SWERVE \~ FSD DOES THAT SOMETIMES" That is the kind of shit you read in their forums.
To be honest that is a pretty good quote in my opinion, he is giving the complaint a frame and making a specific targeted case. He probably does not want to argue the complete tesla tech stack, in the end he is a lawyer being to broad or to damning can become an issue there is a reaon lawyer speak is a thing.
Weird how people keep buying these murder mobiles. Do people read the news.
Isn't it insane? And all the die hard tesla fans deny it even when you show them the manual
These crashes are incredibly tragic and my heart goes out to them. I’d be interested to see all the details of the driving data. To see what was actually going on with the car’s dynamics before and at the time of the crash. Again, my deepest condolences to the grieving family.
Trashla
It is amazing. About 98% of the time. It just so happens to drive like a drunk teenager the other 2%. Which makes it sort of useless.
RIP to the dog, it didn't have any say in making that bad decision.
For my experience as a current tesla owner (will likely be switching to rivian with the R2) I do find the latest version of FSD with HW3 (older hardware with legacy software) pretty good, though would never trust it to not be ready to take over in an instant, it still does stupid things. Autopilot is straight up dangerous when roads have visible old lane markings as it will steer you into a concrete barrier at 70 mph (at least a year ago it would, hadn't used it since) In terms of lane keeping without autopilot/FSD/adaptive cruise control, it is rare but it does mistake lane lines and swerve the car where your not wanting it to go (including oncoming traffic being more rare but its done it for me) I will say however coming from a Hyundai 2023 sonata, the emergency auto brake along with its lane assist has tried to kill me a bit more often
I wouldn't expect him to criticize the whole technology or the company either. The fact that he's commenting on it at all is strange. I just feel like "they implemented this technology inadequately" is such an understatement when your client's entire family died in a completely avoidable accident. If my family died in an apartment fire and I sued the landlord, I wouldn't say "Great job on the construction Mr. Landlord, you were always so polite and helpful with repairs, I just wish you'd checked the electric wiring a little bit more thoroughly."
Lane changes before curves are a common observation of FSD which makes the claim plausible.
Not the same thing but I have a Model 3 with HW3. The road next to my house is a winding divided road. The speed limit for the road is 35 mph. Basically I always turn right when I follow the road and get to the next intersection, but recently, when following the curve of the road, it cannot stay in the right lane, and seems more times than not, swerves into the left lane. It's not changing lanes, but just seems to not be able to figure out the boundary of the lane it is in. I'm just fortunate this is not a busy road as I don't know what it'd do if there were a car next to me or behind me.
The data will come out and then we’ll find out what happened.
Crashla?
Commercial in confidence? Might affect the stock price?
I will never let anyone else or any coding/programming,or whatever the fuck, control the vehicle I am in. Never.
Trunk and frunk need a glow in the dark, extremely obvious handle. Passenger cabin? They can figure something out I guess. /s
Hmmm … was she a lawyer taking on one of Elon’s companies? A whistleblower about to come forward?? ….
Well it is interesting, because self driving cars have to report their accidents to the authorities. I saw a YouTube video recently where they go through a spreadsheet of data comparing the various accidents reported. It was quite damaging to Tesla tbh. First off, as the only operator of autonomous cars, they go to (semi illegal) length to hide the incident data. This in itself is quite alarming. Secondly, if you take teslas redacted incidents and compare them against the competition, they are much MUCH less safe per mile driven. Lastly, and perhaps most interesting, it demonstrates that the original Tesla claim that fsd is 7x safer than a human driver is incorrect by such a wide margin, most would consider it a lie. Btw I have a Tesla. It is not a bad car per se - but I can't see how FSD has a future, when the competition is already years ahead.
Agreed. For clarification: you said that Tesla is “the only operator of autonomous cars”; did you mean as opposed to autonomous taxis? Also worth noting that in 2024’s splashy dog & pony show unveil of the Robotaxis at Warner Bros Studios, they were NOT operating autonomously, their routes were pre-programmed. It was all “special effects”.
I meant to say they are the only operator who tries to hide their incident data. All the others fully comply. I don't understand all the rubes who were impressed by the Warner Brothers stunt.
You’ll get banned or shadow banned for saying anything other than the cult flavor of the day.
Might be a case of survivor bias
Even if not true, this is the reason I would never ride in a Musk made vehicle.
Now zoom out and consider any other sub and/or platform
Okay, uh, every internet property that is owned by Elon Musk is totally mismanaged and it's flooded out with spam bots. Apparently Grok generates CSAM for Musk's users as well. Is that what you mean?
Not any particular ones. Just doesn’t work that well. I have a 2017 model x with upgraded MCU
Zoom out more
Okay well, there's internet properties that are managed, some have moderators, and some are propaganda factories? Like Meta is a circus of criminals. Google is shady opportunists ripping us off by simply not mentioning that their product is basically click fraud with some real clicks mixed in. I don't think their stock would be as high as it is if their customers knew what they were buying... It seems like a giant scam to me that has been operating in the gaping chasm of no regulation of an illegal monopoly. So, they're not allowed to exist, but while they are existing, they're free to rip their customers off. Microsoft, is uhm, who the fuck knows what they're doing? They're trapped in a small room filled with fart gas for sure. Is that what you mean?
To be fair, it's stated as a Beta and that it should be supervised 100% of the time. Whether it's Autopilot, Autosteer or FSD. The cameras can be covered by rain or grim at any time and cause misalignments.
I knew it, Monster's *was/is* onto something here, children's screams really are the future of clean energy
Don't be so lazy that you can't be bothered to drive your own car yourself. Holy crap.
Trump needs that stupid car
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