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An overview of automomy leaders (Tesla ranks #10)

ObviousCommonSense | 2025-12-21 23:00 | 158 views

## Fully-operational L4 robotaxi services Here are the 5 companies that can be legitimately regarded as the top autonomy leaders. Each one has a currently active, fully-driverless robotaxi service that has done at least 1,000,000 rides with paid members of the public. **#1 Waymo (US)** Public launch of L4 service: Oct 2020 Fully driverless trips so far: \~20 Million Growth rate (number of trips, yearly): \~300% **#2 Baidu/Apollo Go (China)** Public launch of L4 service: Aug 2022 Fully driverless trips so far: \~19 Million Growth rate (number of trips, yearly): \~150% **#3 WeRide (China)** Public launch of L4 service: Nov 2019 Fully driverless trips so far: \~3.5 Million Growth rate (number of trips, yearly): \~300% **#4** **Pony.ai** **(China)** Public launch of L4 service: Apr 2023 Fully driverless trips so far: \~2.2 Million Growth rate (number of trips, yearly): \~200% **#5 Zoox (US)** Public launch of L4 service: Feb 2023 Fully driverless trips so far: \~1 Million Growth rate (number of trips, yearly): \~500% --- We can also list the following two companies, which have had a fully-driverless robotaxi service at some point but had to stop operations. Both of them will relaunch in the near future. **#6 Cruise (US)** Public launch of L4 service: Feb 2022 - paused Oct 2023 Fully driverless trips so far: \~5 Million Growth rate (number of trips, yearly): 0 (restarting 2025) **#7 AutoX (China), recently rebranded as Tensor** Public launch of L4 service: Jan 2021 Fully driverless trips so far: \~1.1 Million Growth rate (number of trips, yearly): 0 (undergoing pivot) --- ## L3 driver assist systems In addition, there are two companies that sell cars with a certified **L3 driver assist system**. The big difference between L3 and L2 is legal: when a L3 car crashes while the system is activated, the manufacturer takes responsibility, not the driver. So while L2 is a driver support system, L3 is the beginning of actual automated driving where the car, not the human, is in control. **#8 Mercedes-Benz** Public launch of L3 system: May 2022 Scope: S-Class/EQS in Germany, NV, and CA **#9 BMW** Public launch of L3 system: Dec 2023 Scope: 7 Series in Germany --- ## "Advanced" point-to-point L2 driver assist systems Finally, here's the list of companies with an **"advanced L2" driver assist system**. These are L2 systems (where the driver is responsible for the car, requiring the driver to be constantly monitoring the car and be ready to intervene) that can drive from point to point in any condition, as opposed to L2 systems that are limited to specific conditions such as highway driving. **#10 Tesla** System: FSD (Supervised) Launch year: 2020 Vehicles covered: \~2,200,000 **#11 Li Auto** System: AD Max Launch year: 2023 Vehicles covered: \~1,450,000 **#12 Huawei** System: ADS 3.0 Launch year: 2021 Vehicles covered: \~1,100,000 **#13 XPeng** System: XNGP Launch year: 2022 Vehicles covered: \~480,000 **#14 Mobileye** System: SuperVision Launch year: 2021 Vehicles covered: \~300,000 **#15 Xiaomi** System: Xiaomi Pilot Max Launch year: 2024 Vehicles covered: \~160,000 **#16 Rivian** System: Autonomy+ Launch year: 2025 Vehicles covered: \~100,000 Overall, Tesla narrowly makes the cut as a top-10 autonomy company (it would be number 10) thanks to its advanced L2 system, Full Self-Driving (Supervised), now in version 14. Congrats to Tesla on the achievement! It's important to note that: * **Tesla does not have a L3 driver assist system.** When using FSD (Supervised), the driver is fully responsible for the car and must be ready to intervene at any time. This is unlike the more reliable L3 driver assist systems from Mercedes-Benz and BMW, where the manufacturer takes responsibility in case of incident. * **Tesla does not have a L4 autonomous driving system.** To date Tesla has done a total of 0 (zero) fully driverless trips with paid members of the public, while the rest of the industry has collectively completed over 45,000,000 such trips. Waymo alone has done over 20,000,000 such trips in the US (the majority of them, 14M, were in 2025) and is doing 500,000 more every single week.

Comments (40)
[deleted] 2025-12-22 01:59

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nolongerbanned99 2025-12-22 02:37

You’ll have to sign a waiver that says it makes mistakes

Wiseguydude 2025-12-22 03:00

Tesla doesn't really have a robotaxi business yet (imo Austin is just a marketing stunt until users can actually be driven in a robotaxi with no one in the front row) so this list feels a bit silly. All its really saying is that Tesla is leading the L2 list.

I_Am_AI_Bot 2025-12-22 03:38

well done Tesla, well done Elon. This is not easy to be in top 10 in such a highly competitive technology environment.

EverythingMustGo95 2025-12-22 03:43

Did you mean Optimus(Supervised) ? It comes with a safety monitor, they’re taking applications now.

EverythingMustGo95 2025-12-22 03:47

It’s also saying it’s no different than a 2016 Uber driver buying FSD(Supervised) and using it - almost 10 years ago. Their competition has made large gains. Media doesn’t talk much about Chinese competitors

ObviousCommonSense 2025-12-22 04:21

Tesla has been talking about running a robotaxi business for close to a decade now. So why have they still not done a single fully driverless trip when the rest of the industry has done 45,000,000? It's because they're technically unable to. FSD (Supervised) v14 would need to improve its rate of disengagement by at least 50x before Tesla can safely remove the human driver/monitor from the cars. At their current rate of improvement, this should happen in approximately 80 years.

Wiseguydude 2025-12-22 04:25

Truth is we know LIDAR can fit right in to a camera-based model. When Tesla finally gives in and goes LIDAR they should be able to integrate the data fairly quickly. Ofc they're gonna start way behind the rest of the pack on LIDAR-based data

FlipZip69 2025-12-22 06:42

It will be a lot of R&D to fit radar back in. They likely would have a good idea what needs to be done. It is the 3 or 4 years of real world usage they will be lacking. And more so, they got to get it out into thousands of cars first to even get that information.

[deleted] 2025-12-22 08:26

"Tesla does not have a L4 autonomous driving system" It is barely level 2... and IT IS NOT AUTONOMOUS since it is SUPERVISED. It's by default disqualified from the list by its own admission. A remote RC car list could include the brand but not this one. Why not put a ROOMBA in its place? Those have sensor's and do work autonomous! Once the area is mapped it will avoid collisions and it does take them far less time than FSD. 1-2 round-trips usually do the trick. That's what < a few miles in a big obstacle filled house?

[deleted] 2025-12-22 08:27

Poni.ai always is funny to me, given Musks "not buying a Tesla is like owning a horse" Hah. I guess he was right for once.

[deleted] 2025-12-22 08:28

Feels like Cartman when he snuck into the Paralympics and was beaten badly.

TheMichaelScott 2025-12-22 08:36

Thank you, ChatGPT

UpbeatWishbone9825 2025-12-22 11:30

Except its market cap suggests it's in the clear number one position.

whitebusinessman 2025-12-22 12:27

Lol. This sub is beyond comedy.

TheMichaelScott 2025-12-22 12:45

Right? A blatantly AI generated post and people lap it up

whitebusinessman 2025-12-22 13:05

AI experts, no normal people.

analyticaljoe 2025-12-22 13:06

I'm just ordering myself an optimus body suit to avoid the interminable wait.

kineticdeck 2025-12-22 13:08

Exactly, you will just sit in the back seat and be chauffeured around in luxury by an Optimus in black face.

Beezelbubba 2025-12-22 14:43

The safety operator is the the Optimus teleoperator (located in Bangladesh).

Beezelbubba 2025-12-22 14:43

Driving massa Elon, coming in 2026

BringBackUsenet 2025-12-22 19:01

3rd tier leader!

BringBackUsenet 2025-12-22 19:01

Johnny Cab.

BringBackUsenet 2025-12-22 19:02

I thought Elron was the safety monitor of his robot army.

BringBackUsenet 2025-12-22 19:34

For the same reason he hasn't put anyone on Mars or even the Moon. He's an incompetent that just pulls words out of his ass.

BringBackUsenet 2025-12-22 19:36

What does it matter when the brand has been made toxic and there is a huge portion of the market now that hate Elron enough to never buy anything his is associated with?

BringBackUsenet 2025-12-22 19:37

Uber also had enough sense to back off when their cars showed they weren't ready.

FlipZip69 2025-12-23 03:20

That too.

BringBackUsenet 2025-12-23 03:32

As if a good shyster couldn't argue that away.

ChipWilliams 2025-12-24 00:49

They are doing driverless Robotaxi rides in Austin right now, they started last week

bobber66 2025-12-24 01:13

I was thinking the same thing.

bobber66 2025-12-24 01:18

Waymo says they do 1,000,000 trips per month. It will be hard for Elon to ever catch up.

ObviousCommonSense 2025-12-24 03:25

No they aren't. They released a 5 second staged clip of a "test".

Choice-Brother-7737 2025-12-24 05:11

As I understand it, the L3 Assist systems from Mb and bMW only work on selected roads that have been pre-mapped and programmed in the cars. Thus is completely unscalable and effectively useless. It will be a blind alley. I would not even have them in the list, this puts Tesla up to #8!

Splugarth 2025-12-24 05:57

Yeah… I don’t think Cruise is relaunching any time soon. Maybe time to feed some newer data into your LLM?

DameLasNalgas 2025-12-24 09:55

Who created this bs list?

SpectrumWoes 2025-12-24 20:34

Sawyer Merritt post incoming: Tesla ranked leader in autonomous vehicle list

Ambitious5uppository 2025-12-25 02:36

Yes that's literally what L3 is. Geofencing is required until L5. Mercedes has had a L4 system for consumer vehicles in active testing in China for over a year already.

Ambitious5uppository 2025-12-25 02:41

It's very solidly L2, not barely. L2 means partial automation with supervision. Quite literally what it is.

DominusFL 2026-01-02 16:10

I read this and basically what it says is that Tesla is the number one that you can actually buy and use today.

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